/jp/ - Otaku Culture

What do you want us to do?

I didn't want a "japanese style" phone but I did want a flip phone that wasn't absolute garbage so I ended up getting a blackberry 8220.

Otaku Culture.

Inform me if such a phone exists? Just thought you'd be kind enough to say if you know of one, figuring you people probably have Japanese-esque stuff.

It's just a phone.

Soon new Docomo phones will come unlocked. Alternatively, you could stop being a faggot.

>>5914471
Obviously he wants help getting a Japanese phone in America, and /jp/ is the place to ask because we all use cellphones on a regular basis when we're out partying and since we love Japan so much we would clearly have Japanese type phones.

>>5914482
Yeah, in Japan.

Well jeebus, I see you guys have your heads stuck up your asses quite firmly. Forget I asked.

>>5914482
/jp/ isn't about japan.

On topic, motorola razor. Some of the models are exactly what you want, but they have a fat little "bump" on the edges on some models. Look around a company's site for phones like that, or go to a mall where they have a phone store(Radioshack has lots).

>>5914505
Thanks for a decent answer. I see not all of you are stubborn. I mean, I'm sorry if this wasn't the place to ask.

>>5914460
>>Japanese style

Oh, and I might as well give you this because some of the models are horrible looking.

http://direct.motorola.com/Hellomoto/razr2/

>>5914515
Don't apologize to idiots.

US smartphones are the best in the world, why do you want an outdated flip phone anyway

Just get an iphone, it can do everything and has tons of great apps.

>>5914544
>iphone
I hope you're trolling. I doubt you are, however.

>>5914600
lol i am, i use an andriod, it is the bets phone i ever used!

My 'new' cell (the design is probably half a decade old) is a flip phone.
I guess you wouldn't like it, since the edges are rounded and something designed to be comfortable in the pocket is for stupid people.

Wait, people in /jp/ need cell phones?
I thought everyone was like me..

>>5914699
Tech otakus

>>5914699
Cellphones are amazing for the odd occasion you go outside and need to look busy

>>5914541
>US smartphones are the best in the world, why do you want an outdated flip phone anyway

>>5914836
Oh god, I knew I couldn't be the only one who pretends to text people.

My friend went to Japan, and Soft Bank was able to provide service to his Verizon phone. Perhaps they'd be willing to do the opposite?

>>5914862
This isn't a troll opinion it's widely accepted. They aren't really "US" smartphones but you know which he means.

>>5914869
>This isn't a troll opinion it's widely accepted
Is that so nerd? You must think iPhone is cutting cellphone technology now do you.

>>5914869
Is that so nerd? You must think iPhone is cutting edge cellphone technology now do you.

you should be able to to use japanese phones if you're in an area that provides CDMA service the main problem is that most of the time they don't use sims

>>5914490
>>5914600
>>5914699
>>5914862
>>5914862
>>5914460
Reported.

>>5914882
Well it and a few other phones similar are, yes.

>>5914541
>US smartphones are the best in the world, why do you want an outdated flip phone anyway
Kill yourself.

>>5914885
So you actually think iPhone has cutting edge technology? I'm done with you, hipster.

>>5914541
It's so good that it's being offered for free in Japan http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/why-the-iphone/

>>5914892
Well, for a cellphone it has a processor in line with any other top phone, a modern phone operating system, probably the highest resolution phone display on the market, and so on. I know you're using antiquated / unfounded apple hate and don't have a real argument though, so carry on. And I don't have an iphone.

>>5914898
Hmm compelling argument.

Oh wait.

Update: 2 p.m. PT, April 23, 2010 — A Bloomberg report today notes that the iPhone has captured 72 percent of the Japanese market. While we understand critics’ skepticism in our original report, we would stress that when our report was written in February 2009, an analyst listed reasons for why he thought the iPhone wasn’t selling well: high price, lack of a video camera and support for multimedia messaging. All three of those shortcomings have now been addressed. Softbank gives away the phone for free, and Apple has added a video camera and support for multimedia messaging. The Bloomberg report further suggests that those moves were just what the iPhone needed to gain a foothold in Japan, which we also acknowledged in a report published August 2009.

>>5914905
>Softbank gives away the phone for free
>iPhone has captured 72 percent of the Japanese market.

>>5914905
>Iphone
>does everything but calling correctly
>have other better all purpose tech for that "everything"
>japan goes apeshit like we do whenever something foreign comes to our sights

errr, yea. I don't have to bring /g/ here nor anyone else from tech threads

>>5914910
This is on contract. You can phones in every country for $0 on contract and they don't have that market share. But you're around 16 so you wouldn't understand that.

>>5914912
What better tech do they have that has a similar "everything" role (like browsing, camera, music player, etc)?

>>5914899
And? For this latest technical marvel, the iPhone 4, which has an amazing 1GHz processor, high res 5 (FIVE!) MP camera, and a gorgeous, what is it, 960x640 display, how much does this cost?

>>5914460
Just get an android like all the other flaming homos so you can talk about how KAWAII UGUU it is with them.

>>5914937
I hate to sound like an "apple apologist" or something but do you know anything about cellphones? There are definitely higher resolution cameras, but the processor and display are top tier for phones currently. Please look things up.

And like similar phones (higher end android phones) it's 5-600 dollars. Stupidly priced, just like those other phones. Which is why subsidized contracts exist.

>>5914926
>This is on contract. You can phones in every country for $0 on contract and they don't have that market share. But you're around 16 so you wouldn't understand that.
They're giving away cheap phones with a contract, the last time I checked iPhone isn't really cheap. So basically they're getting an expensive phone for free if they sign some lousy contract. I would get an iPhone as well if there were such contract in my country where I'd get an expensive phone for free just for changing my operator.

My point still stands: iPhone fucking sucks in Japan because it doesn't cater to their advanced mobile infrastructure, read into it further if you're that concerned. High-end users go for high-tech phones while hipsters and the masses go for iPhone. And Japan is famous for bandwagoning with the latest fads and trends, iPhone is no different in this matter.

Japan is way ahead than anything iPhone could offer for them.

>>5914905
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/24942/
>Apple iPhone takes 72% of Japan smartphone market
>smartphone market
The Japanese smartphone market is essentially the iphone and a few models of android and blackberry (neither of which do well). The iphone is FAR from dominating the total Japanese phone market.

>>5914937
>MORE MEGA PIXELS = BETTER CAMERA HURR

Sorry, I didn't know you were clinically retarded.

I remember Steve \Jobs going on about how "Jesus Christ, guys we have VIDEO calls now!"when the 4g came out, and 2ch was wondering why that was special since Japan has literally had that technology for years.

>>5914974
This. Everyone is fucking retarded if you t hink Apple holds 76% of the market in Japan.

>And that means that the 4.9% share the iPhone now commands in the entire Japanese cell phone market, as reported [JP] by a Japanese research insitute today, is more than impressive (Sharp, with 26.2% market share, is the number one).

>>5914955
There are other phones, on the Japanese market, with resolutions as high or similar to the iPhone 4. Most flip phones, for example, don't even have as large screens and obviously don't have the same resolution but still very good for the screen size. Add to that they look better, feature much better camera's, and are cheaper, and it seems pretty simple to me. For the proc most of the specs don't give proc speeds, but if a regular phone is not using the same operating system as an OS, then there is nothing wrong with the proc being slower. As long as the phone is running fast, what does that matter?

>>5914974
This. Anyone who thinks Apple holds 76% of the market in Japan is clearly retarded.

>And that means that the 4.9% share the iPhone now commands in the entire Japanese cell phone market, as reported [JP] by a Japanese research insitute today, is more than impressive (Sharp, with 26.2% market share, is the number one).

Pic related, it's the smartphone market share in Japan.

Why's /g/ in my /jp/?

>>5914975
>implying iphone camera is better than the average current market Japanese phones

>>5914995
Reported for implying.

>>5914968
For example? This was true years ago, but the typical Japanese cellphone like in the OP is no longer advanced compared to Nokia garbage that you were used to owning 5 years ago.

>>5914964
You're really uninformed. First off, the iphone is cheaply subsidized in most places. 99 for the old / 199 isn't overpriced as far as these phones go. And stop looking at the 2009 article; Softbank isn't giving away the phone for free anymore.

>>5914985
Nothing is wrong with any of this stuff on a phone, you're just listing off specs of a clearly technically inferior phone.

>>5914987
Nokia probably leads worldwide with phones in Africa and Asia that are using 5 year old software. It doesn't mean they make superior phones.

softbanksoftbanksoftbank

It's pointless getting a Japanese phone. It's not like you can watch Japanese tv or tv in general if you use it in the US.

The iPhone, really is just an ugly phone. Who wants to carry it around? It looks stupid. And the touchscreen? I can't stand it. Not to mention with tech that is behind the Japanese cell phone market, they still like to charge $500+.

>>5914983
Anything Jobs claim to be innovative is a total rip-off of something else. Their design is good I'll give you that but it's all they have going for them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_mobile_phone_culture

>>5915003
Typical applefag. Nothing about the iPhone is technically advanced. The only thing about it that might be considered so, is the processor, but with all the junk the phone runs, it's only natural. I bet you think Macs are good too.

>>5915003
>You're really uninformed.
I like it how you ignored the most important points in my post.

>Nokia probably leads worldwide with phones in Africa and Asia that are using 5 year old software. It doesn't mean they make superior phones.
So why are you bringing up and defending the iPhone's market share then?

Also read this:
>>5914992

>>5915024
Feel free to name a phone with a higher resolution display / higher pixel density.

>>5915009
>>5915024
This. You Applefags really need to stop being so defensive, just admit that the cellphone technology was light years ahead in Japan before iPhone and its bastard childs blueprints were even conceived.

>>5915047
Stuck in the early 90s.

>>5915049
Stuck in the 90 because they don't look as "cool" and "hip" like iPhone to you? I'll take a robust and useful phone any day over some gimmicky toy.

Although that would mean that I'd have to live in Japan.

>>5915033

Seriously?

it's like I'm really on /g/

>>5915069
Good example!

>some retard in this thread still insisting that iPhone has the better camera and display than any phone

>>5915047
That was true maybe 8 years ago. Also the closest to a japanese equivalent of the iPhone/any high-end slate phone is the Toshiba TG01 and is a complete piece of shit.

Keep on hatin' bro.

No, but seriously. It's 2010, the original iphone was released in 2007ish(?). And it came out with no support for flash? Cellphones = how a huge chunk of japan accesses the internet. Crippled internet unless you jailbrake it is stupid when flash is standard. Most people in japan will not know how to get rid of the lego on their internet.

>>5915097
No one said the iphone camera was superior, where do you see that?

And where are examples of phones with higher DPI displays? Feel free to use greentext again instead of provided an actual example.

>>5915105
Well, at least there's a nico application for it.

Besides as long as it can show 1996 style html frames I think Japan should be fine with it.

>>5915033
The LG-LU1400 which came out in Korea in 2008 has a higher PPI than the iPhone 4 that came out this year.

IIRC, the main competitor in Japan vs the iPhone is the Xperia. Or at least that's what 2ch was talking about the last time I checked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xperia
http://www.sonyericsson.co.jp/product/docomo/so-01b/

>>5915126
The Xperia is a whole product line though and it also runs Android. If people here are complaining about the inferiority of the iphone hardware or it's OS then the Xperia is no better (hardware wise it's actually worse, at least with the X10)

>>5915101
You're speaking about smartphones now, who said they were the only phones to exist in Japan? I already said that iPhone is fucking horrible in Japan's mobile infrastructure, just take a look at that wikipedia article someone posted earlier and you'll get the gist. Holy shit you applefags are getting worse by every second.

Not to mention the human eye can only register a PPI of 300 around 10-12 inches from the face.

>>5915126
LOL So this is your super secret japanese phone that beat the shit out of the iPhone? FYI the Xperia X10 is inferior to the iPhone 4 in almost every single aspect.

>>5915142
You don't make any fucking sense. Just shut the fuck up please.

Apparently this thing has the highest pixel density.
333 - LG-LU1400

>>5915148
Not exactly surprising considering it costs half as much as the iphone 4.

I don't really want an iphone as a phone but as a device it looks like it might have some ~cool apps~

And maybe somewhat inferior but a lot of Japanese phones look nicer to me, anyway. Au and Iida ones.

Look, for those who don't know. (seems like most of you). Japan doesn't really have a huge market for "smart phones" like the rest of the world. The "regular" phones in Japan have always had "smart phone" features for some time now. Video calls, internet, wallet feature, high resolution screens and camera, games, apps, you name it. Regular phones have access to them, and then some (1-seg/12-seg digital tv).

The general consensus in Japan regarding the iphone is (at least pre 4g), was that "It's got inferior features and it's kinda weird to use but it's an apple product and stylish", then it caught the touch screen fetish. To prove this, I'll point out that the iphone initially only had 2g, while 3g internet was the standard in Japan for some time by then. People cared more about looks and brand than performance.

>>5915153
You're fucking stupid, that's why it doesn't make any sense.

Every applefag thinks "slick" and "flashy" interface means everything, in this regard Japanese phones are a bit behind but when it comes to features and the usability, the Japanese phones outperforms iPhone because of the mobile infrastructure in Japan is MORE suited for those types of phones. You're one dumb and blind applefag if you can't admit this.

I can't stress this enough, look into it further if you're so concerned that you need to defend your precious iPhone.

>>5915157
That's why I have an iPod Touch.
Same OS as an iPhone, so I can use the same apps.
But I sure as hell would not want it as a phone.
Battery life is shit, and I want physical buttons.
Hell, the iPod Touch unjailbroken is a shitty music player. I jailbroke mine and installed a tweak to let me use the volume buttons as forward and back buttons.
My dumbphone's good enough for me. I only have to charge it maybe once a week.

Applefags can take solace in the fact that their phone is at the top of the North American market, tech wise. Why does it matter if your phone is inferior to Japanese phones? Is this just some sort of America must be #1 mentality?

CAVE is making games for the iphone though.

>>5915191
Hey don't lump me in with those dicks. It's the Applefag mentality of course.

Just read those salty teared comments, laughed so hard http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/02/why-the-iphone/

>>5915194
Oh an article from 2009 again.

TM506 if you can find one. Not the best by any means, but damn I loved that phone.

>>5915197
>Oh an article from 2009 again.
>read those salty teared comments

Can you not read?

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>>5915200
What move does that teach?

Nokia 5800

>>5915212
What are you trying to prove here? I really can't tell if you're a dedicated troll trying to defame applefags or a genuine zealous applefag.

>>5915154
...I want one of those.

I'd personally love a phone I can keep in my pocket without it looking like I have a boner

Or a fucking greasy ass reflective screen that's always out

>>5915154
Can you close T-phones when they're in T mode?

>>5914699
I have one, but the only person who ever calls me is my mother. She usually tells me to take out the meat to defrost or something while she's at work. Or she might text me to tell me she's not coming home for the night because she's with her girlfriend or something.

The only reason I would buy a Jap phone is if I wanted to watch TV on it but phones in America have it as well so why bother.

Nobless Oblige.

Everyone talks shit about the iPhone, but no one has provided an example of a Japanese phone that is in some way better.

Before someone calls me a macfag, I use an Android phone which is vastly superior.

>>5915384
Basically every Japanese phone can function as a proximity credit card.
That's uh, one feature, I guess.

>>5915384
Read >>5915167
Nobody pointed out a single phone, because a majority of phones are better. They're just not "smart phones"

>>5915398
But the iphone has superior internet / games / apps than those phones do now.

>>5915404
But I don't use a phone for internet/games/apps.

>>5915398
I did read it, their dumbphones were more advanced than comparable dumbphones in the US, then when smartphones became the trend they quickly outpaced those Jap phones. Current US market smartphones have the best features in the world.

The second part of his post is pretty invalid as this was also the case in the USA.

>>5914983
Video chat is nothing new, my 2-year-old phone that I got for free can do that. Steve was just rewriting history with his reality distortion sphere

>>5915404
>superior internet / games / apps than those phones do now.
prove it

>>5915469
Well he was comparing "regular phones" like those in the OP to the iphone. Do you think the phone in the OP has a better browser than any modern iphone / android phone? Superior browser and screen size, I'm not sure how then can be worse at the "internet." Also both of those mobile platforms have application markets with tons of games and other applications.

Just ignore apple / iphone / anything and look at the phones objectively. Of course more modern and technically powerful phones would be better at such things.

>>5915492
that's not the case in Japan with those phones

it would maybe apply in other countries because they don't support the network those japanese phones do

>>5915404
>But the iphone has superior internet / games / apps than those phones do now.
>superior internet
Riight, no flash and it drops reception when you don't touch it the right way?
>Superior Games
I don't particularly like the KH series, but KH: Coded is basically the best full fledged mobile game that there ever was.
>Superior apps
App support in Japan is negligible compared to abroad, regular Japanese app libraries are far older and far more populated.

>>5915469
My Android phone has a full browser with flash, best mobile browser period

>>5915512
He's talking about the iphone, not android.

>>5915506
The reception has nothing to do with it. That's a flaw in the construction of the exterior of the iPhone 4, which was caused due to Apple trying to be smart and using the metal edge as the antenna so they didn't have to put in an internal antenna.

>>5915521
The post he was replying to was talking about smart phones in general

>>5915523
No it wasn't, he quoted a guy who said
>But the iphone has superior internet / games / apps than those phones do now.

>>5915527
Who quoted a post about smart phones

>>5915522
>The construction of the phone
>Has nothing to do with the phone when it directly interferes with it's ability to perform
What the fuck am I reading.jpg.gif.png.tiff

>>5915542
Typical blog reader. You do know other phones have this issue as well right? Go read the manual on some current HTC android phones that advice users against holding the phones certain ways because of reception issues.

>>5915522
>"I HAVE SUPERIOR INTERNET"
But it doesn't work when you touch it the wrong way
>"THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT"
What?
>"..."
What?
>OMNOMNOM STEVE JOBS GIVE ME YOUR GLORIOUS COCK

>>5915558
>HTC Android
>Japanese
What? We're comparing Japanese phones and the iPhone, not Androids vs iPhone.

>>5915567
No, it's half that half "the iphone sucks because ______"

And I wish there was more discussion on Japanese phones and their superior features / examples of phones. I see a Korean phone, at least.

Why is this thread so hostile? Does it have something to do with Applefans?

I swear everytime I see applefans they're like rabid dogs

I see /jp/ and /g/ has overlapping userbases.
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Install Gentoo

I have a Droid.
I am quite happy with it.

>>5915558
They put that in for liability purposes. I don't think you understand the exact flat in the iPhone 4, which is that even a light touch will completely cripple the phone's antenna. Other smartphone makers such as HTC and Motorola have internal antennas, which do not have the same issue. You may be able to block out the signal, but not under normal usage situations like the iPhone 4.

>>5915592
Exact flaw*

>>5915542
If the problem was that using internet on the iPhone would cause the connection to slow to a crawl, then that would be related. The reception thing, however, is just a general problem that can be easily fixed without modifying the phone at all.

>>5915592
Under certain conditions like having a very weak 3G signal, yes. Like anything apple related, positive or negative, it gets blown out of the water.

>>5915602
No, it doesn't matter what the signal strength is. Touching the gap will ground the antenna and kill the signal entirely.

>>5915599
Not so much "fixed" as "resolved", really. It won't be fixed until they release a new version that has some sort of protection over the antenna.

>>5915612
So applying a strip of electrical tape or some other thin-but-nonconductive-material would prevent the problem from occurring?

>>5915589
Good job worshiping Google's spyware ass.

>>5915628
Exactly. They are offering free cases until september, which is when people speculate they will introduce a non-conductive coating into the manufacturing process which will address the issue

>>5915612
No, this isn't the case at all actually.

>OTHER PHONES HAVE RECEPTION ISSUES TOO
lolno
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/07/18/htc.says.droid.eris.sees.far.fewer.antenna.calls/
>While Apple claimed to have just 0.55 percent of calls to AppleCare centering on reception problems, HTC said late Saturday that the same rate for the Droid Eris -- which Apple singled out as having such a problem -- was just 0.016 percent

Macfag status:
[X]TOLD
[]Not TOLD

>>5915612
Honestly, I tried it out on a demonstration model and didn't experience any problems with internet access. I don't believe the people I see complaining are lying, but doing my best to reproduce the problem didn't work. It looks like it doesn't affect all devices.

>>5915644
Well it was a demonstration model so they probably gave it a non-conductive coating or something

>>5915660
I guess it's possible. But it was also jailbroken, so I don't know what to think.

Wow Anon I didn't know you were such a phone talker. I got two contacts (both family) on my phone so I don't really see a point in having a fancy one.

>>5915674
It's summer afterall.

>>5915674
Gimme your cell number and we can tons of phone sex.

>>5915674
I use my Android phone mostly just to go online anywhere, an mp3 player and an emulator.

But since most of /jp/ doesn't go outside I would see why they wouldn't need a smartphone or phone at all.

>>5915680
I don't wanna have phone sex with a guy. I'm still a virgin.

>>5915685
Yeah I could see it being useful for certain people. Not so much for most of /jp/ though. Unless they want to troll this board while out running errands or something.

>>5915738
You got me!

>>5915738
>I'm still a virgin
I know, that's why I love you so much.

>>5915759
Anon you do know I'm leaving forever in a few months, right?

Actually I recently realized that I may die a virgin. Sort of unsettling.

>>5915850
Yes, I cry about it every night.
All the more reason I want to have large amounts of homosexual erotic relations with you.

>>5914460
DEAREST OP WHO CLEARLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND SHIT ABOUT JAPAN. IPHONES ARE REALLY POPULAR IN JAPAN AND ALWAYS IN HIGH DEMAND CAUSE THEY ARE THE "IN THING" AND CONSUMERIST JAPS LOVE THAT.

>>5915850

That's what Cirno said but he's still around. You can never leave 4chan.

>>5915850
Don't go.

ZUN is LEAVING FOREVER?
What's the occasion?

Also see you tomorrow etc.

>>5915890
Kind of hard to post on /jp/ and fap to animes without internet access though.

>>5915903
T-too shy to talk about it! I'll say why in December before I leave.

Uhh, just so you know, you can use just about ANY Docomo model with a HyperSIM over here, as long as you have a service provider like AT&T or T-Mobile. . .you know, someone with a SIM card.

My current phone is an SH906i in black, and my last phone was a software unlocked Samsung 707SC II. Everyone is right though, if you want to use it for anything other than calls, SMS, and pictures, don't get one. Even when they start coming factory unlocked, this won't change.