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I've been waiting for this!
Seriously, you'll see how a true heroine acts.

>>5911339
>imply Jessica is a heroine
>implying that the only female who is actually sane isn't Eva

>>5911348
I think there's another lady out there who is also perfectly sane.

>>5911352
Kyrie "I FUCKING HATE ASUMU" Ushiromiya is hardly what one could consider sane.

Eva by all means should have been the head, things would have been much better. If only everyone listened to her, I mean seriously, goddamn...

Wait, it's in two days?

Goddamn, I lost track of time.

>>5911328
>>5911339
>my face when

In a stunning reveal, Ryukushi reveals that Jessica had an evil twin all along, thus explaining why and how she trolls people half the time.

In addition, the twin has the same name, so she doesn't count as an additional person, and is in fact the other other super secret Battler.

Episode 7 will reveal that Jessica is completely innocent, she knows nothing.
Not like episode wasn't clear about this though.

My body is ready.

Time to see just what Jessica's deal is, and time to see that shitty maid taste JUSTICE.

I just realized that Kyrie kinda looks like an adult Yin.

Actually, not in 2 days but 3. In ~62 hours (if we take into account time when we got EP6 and EP5).

>>5911384
The mere fact that she knows nothing is, in and of itself, disturbing.

It also sets up for a great ITROLLU scene.

Two days until Shkanontrice is confirmed. I have screencapped all denialfag posts for the glorious moment. Are your bodies ready?

>>5911387
With a much wider range of facial expressions!

But, uh, things I'm calling:

Shkanontrice confirmed, but with another mandatory TWEEST.

Rosa confirmed for Beato 2.0(Yeah Beato 2.0 died, same with Kanon, death does not mean what it should mean in Seakats)

Jessica confirmed for IDKLOLOLOLOL.

And... Erika not coming back. Ever.

>>5911396
It's not disturbing, it's just stupid.
I think she knows nothing, based on everything we saw about her, but honestly it's just completely retarded.
I mean, not knowing that your female best friend and you crush are the same person, R07 will have to explain it very very well or it will be a big plot hole.

>>5911409
Shkanontrice was already confirmed, bro. It was called "Episode Six"

>>5911413
It won't be as simple as her just not noticing.
I'm afraid that our dear Jessica may be quite crazy.

>>5911413
Ryukushi seems to have acknowledged it, sorta, in episode 6.

I'm bracing myself for the worst.

>>5911421
That's what I've been telling denialfags for over 8 months.

>>5911421
This. I hate Shkanontrice, with a burning passion even, I think her motives don't excuse the fact she's one evil sonna gun, but episode 6 was a freaking Sledgehammer.

If that didn't convince the other people, I doubt anything in episode 7 will.

if you read Umineko backwards, it is about a young man who fall in love with a witch.The witch died so he sacrificed his children and grandchildren to revive her.

>>5911433
Well, when you think your supposed best friend is two different people, something is going wrong.

I STILL BELIEVE.
I STILL BELIEVE.

A miracle will appear and deny your favorite Shkannontrice theory, fags.I cannot wait for your sweet tears of blood.

>>5911455
In my opinion, it would make for a HILARIOUS sitcom, if, uh, y'know, it wasn't for the MURDEEEEEEEEEEEER!

>>5911476
You're more pathetic than Cobra Commander, Bern.

>>5911474
It is not yet time, comrade.

In a shocking twist, George reveals that he is the culprit.

Everyone else dies of laughter.

>>5911483
seems somebody forgets who is the next Game Master

>>5911474
Pretty much denied in Episode 6. Also even if she doesn't seem to have any feelings left as she seems pretty cool with Battler pimping.

>>5911493
Oh, wow, it's so hard to be the Game Master when Deus Ex Smug Bitch appoints you as such.

>>5911498
Well, she is basically Battler. Just female and blonde.

For those who forgot EP7 opening words:


The girls said: "Without love, it cannot be seen."

Things you become able to see with love. Things you become unable to see because of love.

By knowing love and believing in magic, the door to the Golden Land was opened.

However, the tale of love ends here. What will be told from now on is only a tale of cruel tragedy and harsh truth.

That is because the warped new game master wishes for dying screams of agony more than whispers of love....

Break through the illusions, stain your hands with the blood of tragedy, and tear out the heart of the Golden Witch!! That is the path to the "answers" you seek.

Due to the interference of bystanders, both the story and its points of view become ever more complex. When is reality? What is illusion? Which is production?

By whose will is this story truly being repeated?

The Witch's Illusion born of love will disperse at last. But what remains beyond it...?

>>5911502
And COMPLETELY OUT OF HER GODDAMN MIND.

Seriously, Battler, Eva, and Ange(perhaps Gohda as well but he isn't a ginger) should team up as THE ONLY SANE PEOPLE CONNECTED TO THE USHIROMIYA CLAN.

been noticing "hurr jessica trolled hard" episode comments going about, what was confirmed in 7 again?

would be disappointing again if its the same thing about cornering the person who isnt the culprit type of ep, just get the damn thing right and do some hardcore truth searching

>>5911510
>Ange
>Sane
>Asks her imaginary friends to kill for her

>The girls said: "Without love, it cannot be seen."
They also killed the fuck outta a ton of people.

>Things you become able to see with love. Things you become unable to see because of love.
Y'know, things you're unable to see...like the fact that mass murder is BAD.

>By knowing love and believing in magic, the door to the Golden Land was opened.
Along with Hideyoshi's skull.

>However, the tale of love ends here. What will be told from now on is only a tale of cruel tragedy and harsh truth.
Oh noes! You're telling me that this tale of brutal slaughter is a TRAGEDY!?

>This because the warped new game master wishes for dying screams of agony more than whispers of love....
As opposed to the other game master, who fed people to goats, and tortured people to death repeatably?
>Break through the illusions, stain your hands with the blood of tragedy, and tear out the heart of the Golden Witch!! That is the path to the "answers" you seek.
Sounds cool, broski.

>Due to the interference of bystanders, both the story and its points of view become ever more complex. When is reality? What is illusion? Which is production?
Most likely the stuff with the goat headed butlers would be the illusions
.>By whose will is this story truly being repeated?
I'd place my money on the "Crazy Murdering Maid"

>The Witch's Illusion born of love will disperse at last. But what remains beyond it...?

A whole lotta stiffs.

>>5911514
It's based on a screencap of Shannon being all LOL KUMASAWA TOLD ME THE CULPRIT WAS CAUGHT DERP.

Naturally, if the culprit was caught, and Shannon is all bubbly and not restrained, the wrong culprit was caught.

And it'd just be Jessica(The Moralfag)'s luck to be exposed as the culprit in Bernkastel's game.

>>5911530
Jessica was a bro from the beginning. She might be trolled hard because of this.

>>5911530

fuck, i might aswell not leave /jp/ for now and see whats confirmed in the first day so i still have hope for the thing

>>5911526
You are so reported and so is anyone else who says y'know and various other things because it's probably always you.

>>5911543
Reported for what? Posting?

I'm hoping Jessica only gets 1 minute worth of screen time in EP7. I'm honestly sick of seeing her.

>>5911541
You should go on here on Friday, that's when this will become ALL SEAKATS ALL THE TIME

>>5911549
MORE SHANNON AND KANON?

WHY CERTAINLY!

I ALSO HAVE A 8 HOUR FEATHERINE BIT FOR YOU, THIS TIME SHE TELLS YOU HOW YOU ARE PATHETIC AND SHOULD KILL YOURSELF.

>>5911552

don't you mean saturday? that is when the spoilers will appear

>>5911555

Fuck Shanon, Kanon, Jessica and Jyoji we need more of the other 18 in rokenjima (i.e the adults) EP6 made me sick of them and their sappy romance

>>5911559
But the trolling fueled, hilarious, wildly inaccurate spoilers will appear on Friday night...

>>5911566
Episode 6 made me dislike Shannon, Kanon, and George. Even more so Kanon, goddamn...

Jessica was ok, though.

You shkannontrice fags amaze me. Honestly, it's impossible to not see the evidence in EP6, but I see nothing denying Jessica confirmed for culprit either - in fact I see a fuckton more SUPPORTING it. I can't wait for you all to eat your 'herp-derp Jessica's innocent and gonna be framed' words when she's confirmed for batshit crazy and DID meido is just being used.

>>5911566
>the other 18
Yeah, about that....

>>5911574

Oh yeah! 17 I mean my bad.

>>5911579
It is 16 actually.

>>5911573
When Kanon was most likely flipping out due to being crazy, Jessica still tried to calm "him" down. She got stabbed in the back for her efforts.

When Jessica saw tons of people killed by Shkanontrice, she still called Battler up on the phone to get him to believe in the witch, even knowing she would die, even knowing that her life was over, all so he would have a shot of living.

Jessica may be tragically ignorant, she may be crazy, but she is not evil.

>>5911581
Or she is lol

>>5911584
WAIT A SECOND.
JESSICA IS A BLONDE HAIRED LESBIAN
LAMBDADELTA IS A BLONDE HAIRED LESBIAN

THIS MEANS THAT JESSICA IS LAMBDADELTA

>>5911348
Man, Eva man, goddamn;_;

She was right the whole time;_;

>my face when THEY ALL DID IT

Fuck Shkanontrice, Jessitrice, Moon-chan, and all other theories.

This guy, /jp/. This guy better fucking deliver.

>>5911593

Yeah...I remember the days when people only tought of her as a haughy bitch

Who said the number of people on Rokkenjima went from 1 to 18?

Also, Jessica is actually just a construct, she is symbolic of Sayo's lost innocence.

>>5911593
>>5911348

you forgot murderer too :_:

>>5911602
Shooting some ginger jerkoff when everyone else is dead besides the two of you doesn't quite make you a murderer.

Besides, episode 3 isn't what actually happened.

>>5911597
>fuck all theories

You're one of the readers R07 hates that doesn't think and just waits for the big TWEEST.

>>5911600
Episode one in a nutshell.

Natsuhi: Eva! HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE ME OF DOING EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING!

>>5911602
Eva is pure. No one can blame her for flipping out and acting in what she thought was self defense after all she had been through.

>>5911600
Interesting note: She was all LOL GUYS I THINK SHANNON IS BEATRICE, and everyone else didn't give a damn.

She's the best tragic heroine ever.

>>5911581
One of the possible interpretations and retarded one, not so good.

>>5911612
Oh, please. Well, we shall see in two and half days, my good sir.

>>5911607
You are all retards Ryu hates that don't think and immediately jump to the idiotic conclusions.

>>5911620
Is it me, or does Umineko's fanbase seem to be eerily similar to a harem animu when it comes to Ryukushi?

RYUKUSHI-SAMA HATES YOU

NO HE HATES YOU

"insert hilarious hijinks here"

>>5911573
I don't like Shkannontrice, but Ryukishi left little room for another interpretation.

>>5911629
My concern is what he'll do with episode 7 and 8.

Seriously, we have plenty more room for TWEESTS. He's left enough foreshadowing to justify a ton of stuff.

>>5911629
That's because you have no brain or fantasy.
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/5890219

>>5911636
I hate Shkanontricefags, but even more than that, I sure as hell hate you Anti-Shkanontricefags.

Friday evening can't come quick enough.

>>5911628
I'm fairly certain that he doesn't like idiots, which after they found (and not even found themselves, but read somewhere) some 2.5 clues (possibly fake ones) go screaming FUCK IT'S TRUTH ALL OTHER IS BULLSHIT LOLCRAZY HERP DERP UMINEKO SOLVED

>>5911611

She was pretty much the tragic herione in EP3. Not only did she lose her family in one go. She had to spent the remainder of her life being accused of a murder she hasn't done by everyone including her only relative who she tried to love but was rejected. And because of this she became a crazy, hatefull woman who was in constant pain till the end...

You'd think she'd be better off if she just died with her family in the accident

>>5911642
You just don't want to see anything except the most obvious, because then you'll be forced to actually think and it'll hurt your brain.

Meanwhile, in the meta-world, Jessica is plotting something most sinister.

>>5911649
She was also NICE to ANGE until a certain troll witch came along.
FUCK YOU BERNKASTEL. I hope she get raped and killed 1000x times in ep7.

>>5911642
Not friday, damnit. SATURDAY. Even in AMERIKKA when it's friday evening it's only saturday morning in Japan and in no way you'll see Umineko before 6pm Tokyo time.

>>5911649
And she proved that she was the rightful head all along by being a competent and shrewd businesswoman.

Ask me why I hate Shkanontrice, and I will point out her murders of Battler, Gohda, and Jessica, sure, but Eva's fate is what I can't forgive.

>>5911655
Eva tried, damnit. But Ange, sadly, was a bit too hurt to accept her love.

It's just much too sad, man.

BUT GUISES!
A THOUSAND YEARS!

I MEAN, SIX, BUT IT FELT LIKE A THOUSAND!

HER MURDERS WERE JUSTIFIED!

>>5911655
>>5911664
Goddammit. Happy Eva+Ange imagedump time.

>>5911674
Man, how the hell is Ryu gonna justify Shannon's murders? I mean, really, how in the HELL....

>>5911674
Except it was less than 6. Actually, no more than 2.

>>5911681
Do it before I commit suicide.

>>5911687
Do it now.

>>5911685
>my face when Jessica was the one who was raped, and Shannon actually is just being a melodramatic whore

>>5911683
She did it FOR LOVE.
So it's justified.
And if you disagree, you aren't looking at Umineko with love.


This is how R07 will justify it

>>5911695
>love
>an infatuation of a ten year old to a twelve year old
WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

>>5911699
>>5911691
>>5911686

Dammit Bern! ;_;

>>5911695
For the love of god, Jessica better be alive at the end of this.

I say Jessica, because if Battler is still alive he'll be all WELL IT'S MY FAULT THAT SHANNON KILLED EVERYONE BECAUSE I MADE A PROMISE WHEN I WAS TWELVE.

>>5911692
>my face when neither of them was raped, Jessica is Beatrice waiting Battler, Shannon and Kanon are vessels and George is the true culprit manipulating all of them

Eva killed most of the family in EP3. The only murders she was not responsible for were the first twilight and Nanjo's death.

Deal with it, Evafags.

>>5911711
Get out of here Zun, there's alcoholic beverages to be consumed.

Regardless, it's funny how shortly after Battler reached the truth he came to love Beato, and how when WE, supposedly, reached the truth, we came to despise her.

>>5911716
>I'm a faggot please rape my face
Deal with it, Anti-Evafag. That's your take on it, but I severely doubt it. Eva would be the type to kill Shannon and her crazy supporters, and also to get in a tuffle with Kyrie, but that's hardly "evil".

My body is ready for Pregnantrice

>>5911716

Oh really? so she killed her own husband and son then?

>>5911726
That does explain everything, if I were pregnant with Joji's babby I'd kill everyone too.

>>5911727
But Joji killed both of them in EP1. They would NEVER let anyone into their room except him after the 1st twilight.

>>5911739

Shannon could have just done the noble thing and killed herself or just Jyoji. Why bring other innocent people into her mess?

Not gonna lie, a significant part of the reason I still kind of want Culprit Kyrie and possibly George is so Eva and Ange can have their happy surrogate family end.

>>5911723
>>5911727
Ryukishi probably wanted to pass off Eva-Beatrice as the same kind of alternate personality bullshit that we see in Shkannontrice; meaning Eva-Beatrice was allowed to take actions that Eva herself wouldn't do it.

>>5911726
Except it has no clues whatsoever.

>>5911742
They didn't let anyone in the room, Hideyoshi was in the bath and Eva on the bed.
Culprit just entered by cutting the chain.

EPISODE 7 APPROACHAN
ILLUSIONS UPON REALITY ENCROACHAN
JESSICA ON TRIAL
ANTI SHKANONFAGS IN DENIAL
TWO NEW CHARACTERS INTRODUCED
GEORGE BEING VERY OBTUSE
NO LOVE SHIT GETTING REAL
BEATRICE NOT LONG FOR THIS WORLD I FEEL

EPISODE 7, MOTHERFUCKER

IS YOUR BODY READY?

>>5911749

I'm fine with George being the culprit (Not Kyrie though). Too be honest I doubt he has nothing to do with the crime at all.

>>5911751
Poor Eva was put in the same situation in EP3 by Battler as Natsuhi was in EP5 by Erika.

>>5911755
>>>/a/

>>5911743
Because she's a murderer who wants to achieve Battler's love.

No amount of love can ever justify her, in the end, Sayo is acting on her desires.

>>5911762

Battler was pretty much a freaking hyprocite in EP5 just because Natushi isn't a "haughty" like Eva

>>5911762
....I like Eva but you guys are being ridiculous. Look at her conversation with Evatrice. Even Eva freaked out over "Did I kill?!" without anyone else telling her she was a murderer but her own alter ego.

>>5911772
We're not being ridiculous, Eva is a smart lass, and not one to start bloodshed. If she killed someone, she would have had a bloody good reason for it.

>>5911776
It goes back to the alter ego thing. Eva was crazy. A good and smart person at heart, but undeniably insane.

>>5911771
Saying "You're the culprit!" in a moment of strong emotion is hardly the same thing as driving someone into a corner, framing them entirely, and accusing them of sleeping with their father-in-law.

>>5911771
You now realize Battler's first OH WOW THIS GUY IS PRETTY COOL scene in episode one was utterly, and completely, WRONG!

LISTEN TO EVA SAVE PEOPLES LIVES.

NOT DYING HORRIBLY HAS NEVER BEEN THIS SIMPLE!

>>5911751
WRONG.
Eva-Beatrice is just the personification of someone with a blackheart. It is not Eva.
You really think Eva(Eva-Beatrice) killed Nanjo/Jessica while we see Battler chasing her?
Remember the scene where Maria said "Mama turn into a black witch"? That is your eva-beatrice.

>>5911782
DISREGARD NATSUHI
SIDE WITH EVA
SOLVE THE EPITAGH
KICK BACK IN KUWADORIAN AND WAIT FOR THE WHOLE THING TO BLOW OVER

>>5911790
This. Evatrice kills Nanjo, and yet, Eva didn't.
Yandere mama bear mode Kyrie is your best bet.

>>5911790
But you have no basis for that. Evatrice only ever talked with Eva. Eva acknowledged herself that Evatrice was born from her own heart, and that all the people died because Eva got greedy and wanted all the gold to herself.

It's fine that you want to vilify Shkannontrice some more, but don't turn around and glorify Eva of all people.

Eva is the most moe out of the parents.
While the bourgeois will always pin for Natsuhi, experienced moe enthusiasts know that Eva is the only option.

>>5911803
Often times good people blame themselves for the actions of evil people.

See: Battler blaming himself for the murders.

>We are connected because we are aunt and niece. But, we are also connected in that I have lost a child, and you have lost your parents.
>And we cannot trick ourselves into thinking of each other as replacements for our lost family.
>Even so, I think of you as my own child.
>So if you......could allow that, then I'd like you to think of me as your mother, and I want you to rely on me for whatever you need.
>Eva had hugged Ange as she said that.

>Right now, we cannot forget the scars on our hearts, and together we have forgotten how to smile.
>However, I believe that this would surely sadden my child and your parents.
>......Wouldn't it be alright if we could remember how to smile, if only a little bit at a time?
>Of course, we can't do this right away.
>We have to remember our forgotten smiles bit by bit.
>That's why.....I've decided that from today on, I'll try my best to practice smiling.
>..............................That's weird...isn't it?
>Ange-chan, if you ever remember how to smile........please show me too.
>I feel that if we do that, we'll be able to remember how to smile even more.

THE WORDS OF AN INSANE KILLER LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

>>5911803
>He still thinks Eva did it.
Fact. Eva is the Shion of Umineko.
She is innocent. She probably didnt even kill anyone besides Battler in ep3.
You heard it here first.

>>5911810
...Battler didn't blame himself, he just realized he was partly responsible for the cause. Which he was.

Eva, on the other hand, directly states that she must have killed. Look, EVA does not have to be an exact representation of Eva. I highly doubt Eva herself went around shooting every single victim -- after all, I doubt she could kill them all without assistance. But the presence of EVA implies that Eva is somehow responsible, even if she is only manipulating other people to do things for her.

>>5911803
Evatrice also talked with Kasumi and possibly Rosa. OH FUCK KASUMI IS EVA HERP DERP
It's just we've been shown that they talked, it doesn't mean that they are different personalities. Evatrice is just a metaphor, it's personification of evil thoughts, anger, greed, etc.

>>5911796
>Yandere mama bear mode Kyrie is your best bet.

Pretty much this.

-Kyrie survived being stabbed in the stomach.

-She found out Nanjo was involved in the crimes (accomplice, helping the culprit) and decided to kill the fucker once and for all.

-Eva and Battler witnessed this, Eva thinking Kyrie was the one who killed George went mad and shot Kyrie point blank. This explains why Battler accused Eva as the culprit before Eva shot him.

>>5911820
>the Shion of Umineko.
Shion was not innocent, bro.

And that's not really a new idea. Everyone assumes Eva was innocent in EP3. Hell, I used to myself. But the more I reread EP3, the more I can't except that. It would require totally discarding too many fantasy scenes.

>>5911827
And in her fear and instability Eva thought maybe her darker thoughts had become a witch responsible for the deaths. They didn't, of course. Eva didn't kill anyone, but the fantasy projections were a reflection of her irrational fears.

>>5911833
I assume that person meant Mion.

>>5911825
She's responsible, because she didn't announce her solving the epitaph, so Beatrice didn't stop the ceremony. Thus her greed (Evatrice) killed all those people.

>>5911838
Okay, this I can buy. This would be a good explanation for the presence of EVA without requiring Eva to be a murderer.

>>5911814
Man, I would kill for a final duel between Eva and Sayo.

Both having lost everything important to them, Sayo perhaps under the delusion that she has to kill Eva, Eva inhabited by vengeance incarnate, and in the end, Eva, with the will to face reality,no matter how dark, victorious over Sayo, the murderer who wrapped herself in delusions.

It'd be awesome on so many fucking levels.

>>5911837
I meant Shion. The one that did get TATTOO on her.
Also this >>5911838

The reason why she kept quiet all these years is because she didn't know what the fuck is going on.
She shot Battler at the end because of self defense, going insane and etc. He basically shot Battler after the explosion and the collateral damage wiped away the evidence.

>>5911846
>He basically shot Battler after the explosion

Uh no She shot Battler before the explosion. they were in the lounge when she shot him.

>>5911853
http://jbcs.info/Umineko/ep3.html#v0xKDsy4rZ_PBzzwvF_0Bw
>When the sun exploded and blew everything away...
>......Eva could be seen there, holding a gun.

Those who have faith in JUSTICE shall prevail.

Eva and Jessica may yet live.

>my face when the Bittersweet end to Umineko is just Sayo killing herself

>>5911885

That would be the 'BEST END'

>>5911885
I think this the only end that can save Umineko.
I putting umineko into my shredder if it end with "LOVE CONQUER ALL AND SAVE EVERYONE".

If they don't revive and redeem Erika in EP7, there will be at least one upset devotee.

>>5911885
Battler starts crying, George goes catatonic, Rosa and Maria finally get their shit together, Jessica pats Battler on the back and takes him to a bar to pick up chicks.

If the ending is to be bittersweet, make it so that everyone does die. Well, the explosion right?

Ange somehow miraculously discorvers the "truth" and goes on with the rest of her life being awesome instead of an emo ange burger. Carrying the memories of her family with her, perhaps making a new golden witch legend but for the good of something not for selfish kinzo-like reasons.

>>5911892
>>5911897
My biggest fear is that we get a KANON SHANNON AND BEATO ARE ALL THEIR OWN PEOPLE end.

If it's just that, it'll be bad, but if we get LOL JK THAT'S JUST ANGE'S DELUSIONS BUT IT MAKES HER HAPPY it'll be even worse.

The murderer should be exposed and seen for what she is. It's only right.

>>5911912
I can't quite accept Eva and Jessica's ultimate fate being what they were.

It's too tragic.

>>5911897

Erika is dead and will stay dead. Deal with it

>>5911920

The family was due to implode at any time anyway. Give it another decade or so and things could've turned out even worse than it did on rokenjima.

>>5911924

I want to also add. It's not that I don't want her back but with the way she died and the fact that she got erased. It'd not going to happen

>>5911885
more like GOOD END.

>>5911897
Furudo Erika's real personality was probably different from that we have seen in the games, if that redeems her for you. Too bad she drowned.

>>5911936
Doesn't quite matter.

Eva proved herself to be a competent head, and Jessica would abdicate willingly.

Remove Krauss, Natsuhi, and Shkanontrice and we have a recipe for a happy ending. Even without a happy ending, living is better than not living.

2 and a half days til Ryuukishi trolls us all and Ep7 doesn't even mention anything about the possibility of Shkanontrice.

>>5912021
>Jessica would abdicate willingly.

Not if her parents gets shamed/disgraced in the process of doing so

Who said Rokkenjima Tragedy had happened?Can someone proved it to me?

>>5912073
Someone had to put that bomb, broski.
And if there's someone willing to die along everybody on a worst-case scenario, one would wonder definitely.

>>5912118
It was an accident.

>>5912126
Can you prove that? This is Schrödinger's cat all over again, a 50/50 situation.

>>5912148
Police hadn't found any traces of explosives. And they should have, if it was really a large bomb. Therefore, there was some kind of natural explosion. Maybe somehow triggered by the culprit, at most.

>>5912172

If it was triggered by the culprit then it isn't an 'accident' unless the cuprit was stupid enought to accidently trigger an explosion that big

>>5912069
Oh, please, Rudolf can't disgrace himself anymore than he already has, and Asumu is long dead.

>>5912182

Jessica's real parents are Natsuhi and Krauss even if you claim that they are not her biological parents they raised her ever since she was a baby and therefore are her parents. And like I said Jessica wont give up her position so easily if it will cause disgrace/or something worse to Natsuhi and krauss

One word.
George-trice

His fiance is half-man and his mother is a magical girl, there is no way he isn't screwed up enough for this to be a possibility.

>>5912180
And just what kind of device the culprit could have used, that didn't leave enough traces and caused a change of the terrain? The boiler is too small for that. I think it was some natural disaster.

>>5912204
For fuck's sake. Not every theory needs a -trice to be added to it. George can very well be the culprit AND something like Shkannontrice (or Jessitrice/Shannontrice with Homunculus) being true at the same time.

>>5912217
Gas leak. The smell of Kinzo's corpse in the furnace covers the smell of gas. The only two people who could set it off accidentally are Rudolf and Hideyoshi. Rudolf is usually eliminated in the first twilight and Hideyoshi doesn't smoke when he's around Eva. That's pretty much the significance of the cigarette butt in EP3: not why it was found but the fact that Hideyoshi could accidentally set up the bomb.

That's the only thing I can come up with that can cause a massive explosion with very little materials or suspicion afterwards. Although it's mentioned that Rudolf is a smoker, is he ever mentioned having a smoke when he's on the island?

>>5912239
That wasn't what I meant.
George talked about how much he admired the way that Battler acted and talked when he was younger. Maybe there's more to it than that. Maybe George was gay for Battler but came up with the Beatrice personality in order to cover up his feelings.

When you think about it, it makes sense. The only thing that would freak Eva out more is that if George was gay, meaning no kids of his own, giving George another reason to hide his feelings behind another guise. It could also be why he finds acceptance in Shannon, with her herself struggling with a male and female side.

tl;dr The theory is retarded, but try denying it in red.

>>5912243
Gas leak? So massive so it even destroys the docking place? So massive that that only being inside bombshelter saves you? Please.

It's a bomb.
The manga of episode 3 basically confirms the epitaph theory that point to the bomb

>>5912243
Do you think it's enough to change the terrain? The dock is pretty far from the mansion.
>the epilogue of EP1 did say that "the jaw was the only part of Maria's corpse that could be found". Furthermore, in EP4, it was shown that Ange's boat was unable to dock at the mansion's harbor and that the remains of the mansion were missing, so it should be possible to link that with "something happened that changed the terrain". So, the words "Rokkenjima Explosion accident" are not a hint, but one of the answers.

>>5912217
Leftover bomb relic from WW2.
The original Beatrice is probably a German refugee that gave Kinzo illegal jewgolds.
Kinzo is probably a diehard nazifag naming his children with German name and the emblem? Probably a homage to the nazi emblem.

>>5912126
It cannot be an accident, because "Last twilight, no one is left alive"
It's a planned murder

not to mention the whole
>>>/rs/Ushiromiya_Battler,_I_will_now_kill_you
even though everyone is dead

That's because "explosion" is actually "eruption", volcano eruption.

>>5912309
The epitaph is just a riddle. It's not children's counting rhyme's fault that someone decides to commit murders following it.
Metaphor, do you know what the word means?

>>5912337
and the murders are planned to follow this "children's rhyme"

Someone explain Shkanontrice for me, just finished ep6 and I don't really get it, not denying it, just want to se how you guys "make it work".

>>5912399

not a shakanonfag but its just so easy to use it to get through the loopholes of the red and all the sudden its easier to explain the closed rooms, with all the semantics and the word games we get its what most people found to work

personally i see it another way, ep 7 should focus on everyone but the people at the mansion and this could be the ep where we get another look away from shkannon

>>5912399
Okay.
5 people make it to the 2nd Lovers trial.
George, Shannon, Jessica, Kanon and chick-Beato.
Shannon vs Kanon
Shannon wins, all other half-souls get booted.
Shkanon is pretty much the whole that the two halves of Shanon and Kanon's souls make.
Then what about chick-Beato? Why was she booted off?
Well, considering the flashback she gets, she was created to be Battler's ideal woman by a person who believed they would never win his affections normally.
But created by who?
If you think Shannon, you get Shannontrice, or combined with the above, you get Shkanontrice.
If you think Jessica, you get Jessicatrice.
If you think George, then you need help.

>>5912423
>Implying George taking it up his ass isn't hot.

>>5912436
Knox's 11th. Battler is always the sodomized, never the SODOMIZER.

>>5912423
Aha.. Okay. I think i get it.
>>5912422
So it's the easy way out?

>>5912451
No one actually likes Shkanontrice. Not even its supporters.

>>5912451
>So it's the easy way out?

Pretty much. You don't even need Shkanon to solve Battler's guest room escape.

Honestly, while it would be COMPLETELY ridiculous, Georgetrice is probably the only thing that could restore my faith in Umineko.

Pic related

>>5912490
Yeah but you need it to make sense of all the fantasy aspect of Umineko.
There is a reason why this theory is so widespread and it's not simply because it solve the last closed room of episode 6.

>>5912497
That would be worse than Shakanontrice. Shkanontrice at least is consistent with everything foreshadowed.

Battler meet with "Beatrice" in EP4. If it were George, he would quickly realize that from his body size and voice. Why would Geroge love Battler? Even if that were the case, there's absolutely nothing hinting at that.

You people ridicule Ryukishi07's answers and come up with far worse ones.

>>5912515

I think you mean far more hilarious ones.

>>5912500
Not really. Other theories work too.

>>5912517
Nothing is more hilarious as a crazy DID meido with 100 personalities and their lesbian lover/best friend as culprit

>>5912536
>Nothing is more retarded than a crazy DID meido with 100 personalities and their lesbian lover/best friend as culprit

Hmm...has anyone considered that there maybe two Kanons? One that exists in Shannon's mind or part of Jessica's illusion and the someone taking advantage of his physical appearance?

>>5912549
hurr durr I don't like the answer so I'll say anything is better, even things that don't follow previous hints.

Like a child throwing a temper tantrum.

What's important for a mystery isn't how much YOU like the answer, it's how well it follows everything.

>>5912195
Well, Jessica is a nice gal. But she isn't Natsuhi level HONOR, she just is inclined to believe her parents. Hell, Jessica trusts people she loves far too much. She's shown a capacity for intelligent thinking, she corners Kumasawa quite well in one scene, it's just that like Battler, she's not willing to suspect people she loves as culprits.

That, more than anything, leads to her downfall. It's also why I bloody hate Sayo, because only due to people's love for her is why she gets away with her gruesome murders.

....If Bernkastel wanted to torture one person, Jessica would be that person. YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY ARE LYING TO YOU LOLITROLLU

>>5912447
I'm ok with this

>>5912574
Am I the only one who read that as "LOLI TROLL U"
I only wish that Shkanon is not true so Jessica can have a happy end. She deserves it...Kanon actually deserves it, too if he weren't part of that crazy meido.

>>5912574
I've never really seen Jessica as being that intelligent. Not that she's particularly dumb, but she isn't really versatile in her way of thinking. If anything, her plans are simply repeating the same thing over and over until the other one gives in, like her fights in EP4 and EP6. (I hope we see Terminator Jessica again)

>>5912640

>Terminator Jessica

Hell yeah though this time towards Sayo.

>>5912651
She will never hurt the person she loves. Given the option she would prefer her own death over the one of her loved one.

>>5912640
Well, it all depends. If she's covering for Shkanontrice, she's much smarter than we gave her credit for. But fantasy scenes aren't quite an indication of a character being smart so much as they are kiddy battles, like on the playground. And she won her fight against Kyrie by pulling off a closed room, so if you are going to read into the fantasy scenes as a measure of intelligence you can't quite ignore that. But yeah, I suppose the TLDR is that she ain't dumb.

I haven't masturbated in 4 days.

My body is ready for this.

>>5912674
Were Jessica to find out that Sayo killed her family, I doubt she'd love her very much at all.

In fact, I think that would make her just that much more pissed off.

....Although we don't quite know Jessica's deal....

>>5912674

What if she finds out Sayo is the culprit? Jessica may be capable of going into Terminator mode If she finds out Sayo is a mass murderer (Or planning to do mass murder)

>And she won her fight against Kyrie by pulling off a closed room, so if you are going to read into the fantasy scenes as a measure of intelligence you can't quite ignore that.

Kyrie was the one that pulls off the closed room. Jessica merely kept cycling through powers until she got some that worked.

>>5912716
>>5912703
As always, the issue with Jessica is that she very well may be in on it.

Episode 7 can't come quick enough.

>>5912703
Jessica like the moralfag she is would be understanding. That poor psychotic maid needs help, right? She can't help that she is fucked up in the head. And if the murders didn't happen yet she would try to stop DID meido-
Don't you forget that she herself was ready to kill for her love who is that weird DID meido.

>>5912736
Yes, but she used MAGIC to kill her. All previous shit wasn't magic per se.
>"At this rate, this closed room will be troublesome indeed. It is impossible for a human to carry out a closed room murder. ......Only magic can do that. ......Until you truly understand magic, you will not be able to crush it."
Proof, that she's a witch.

>>5912741

Oh Please. Jessica may be a "moralfag" but honestly there are fucking limitations to how symphathetic a person can be.

So what if Sayo has issues? do you think Jessica will care a bit when she finds out that Sayo murdered her parents? Do you think any normal person would?

That doesn't proof that she is a witch but that she understands magic. It also denies that Shkanon(trice) is the key for the closed rooms as she is capable of doing so as well.

>>5912805
Takano got sympathy why wouldn't Shkannon? Also there is also the very high chance that she already knows. Furthermore she considered the option to kill her whole family for her future with Kanon. She dsregared it after she realized that Kanon would have to bear the guilt as well and only then decided that her own death is the best option.
She will forgive the culprit if it's Kanon even in a crazy DID meido form

>>5912839

Frankly if Jessica forgave Sayo while knowing that she's a mass murderer and a DID then Jessica is a moron and deserves to get her ass kicked for being a moron.

>>5912854
Even as a fan of her I think that she should have gotten her ass kicked already by episode 4. You don't refuse to kill your family just because your boyfriend might feel guilty about it.

>>5912839
Takano only got sympathy from easily impressed faggots.

But it's not the same thing, in Umineko case lots of people including children already died.
It's not like Higurashi where Takano was forgiven in the world where she didn't do anything.

>>5912874
Oh please, out of EVERYONE, Jessica is the most moralfaggy about not killing the family. Battler, George, the Trap Demons, and Kyrie herself had to convince her to kill Kyrie.

And in episode two, Jessica stormed off to confront Beato, the murderer of her family.

She, moreso than any else, would met out JUSTICE.

It will not be Jessica. In fact, it also won't be George, Shannon, or Kanon ( same for Shksannontrice). Here is why.

Ep5 was one big puzzle that spelled out why Natsuhi could be the culprit, but also showed that despite a very good reason for attempted murder, she could never be the culprit/mastermind

With the Chiru arcs, it seems like RK07 is building on to the mystery, but with each arc, shows how the focus character(s) could be the killer. Ep6 gave reason for the two young couples to kill, with Battler's game hiding the truth by making himself, the aunts, and Maria faking their deaths. Zepar and Furfur's game was merely a metaphor for the lovers killing.

My point is, if Ep6 has them responsible for the murders, then why would they be the real culprits? It makes sense for those four to work together and commit murder so they could be together, but it seems like RK07 is exhausting that answer, so despite the backing, it will not be those four.

For EP7, we should have the first twilight kill the four cousins and their lovers, that way, we can investigate the adults. What do you think everyone?

captcha:demente display.

>>5912957
+1

>>5912885
What do you mean?
If you forget about her childhood, in most kakeras she is a pretty happy-go-lucky mastermind. Only once there is a chance that she would get killed by Keiichi, but that never happens. A rather good end everytime including Matsuribayashi.

>>5912957
Episode 7 is about revealing not investigating. Enjoy your Shkanontrice + culprit X focus.

>Is your body ready?

i like how you guys ignore Rosa.

>>5913638

Yeah I got confused when MARIA said that. My personal guess is that she's talking about how Rosa killed her friends (by friends I mean Maria's close toys like 556) or real people...

>Jessica the rational
The only person in the whole contest scenario who couldn't figure out why Shannon and Kanon couldn't both find love. The only denialfag in the room.
>Jessica the moralfag
Who possesses a secret terminator mode and the magical powers of limitless, reasonless, determination.

>>5913674

Being Rational doesn't make you intelligent. Which we know Jessica isn't

I don't know how jessica can even be called a moralfag when she killed for a pointless puppy love relationship that wasn't even a day old. Sure she was agaisnt it from the beggining but then why did she still go along with it? was she afraid at the troll twins warning? was that it? what a coward.

>>5913684
Not wanting to believe that your best friend and your boyfriend are the same person goes a bit beyond being dumb.
Pretending to be two people isn't what makes one crazy. It's the believing that both of them are real.

>>5913674
Depends on what one views as intelligence. The culprit is certainly quite intelligent in some aspects, but as for motives she's absolutely retarded. Meanwhile, Jessica is supposedly not creative when it comes to riddles, but she certainly has a rather mature way of looking at love and interpersonal relations(i.e. hopefully she isn't out to kill everyone because she's a nutter)
>>5913707
Well, I'd say this. One, Kyrie and the others didn't really die, and two, Battler killed Natsuhi, and he knew Beato for far less than Jessica knew Kanon. But we shall see come episode seven.

But I think to vilify Jessica at this point is the same as making mountains out of molehills.

>>5913736
>But I think to vilify Jessica at this point is the same as making mountains out of molehills.

I'm not trying to "vilify" Jessica. I just don't understand why people are trying to make her seem like some pure Angel/Knight when really she's not. She is of course moralistic but really so is Battler.

Woah, woah, I think everyone should chill the fuck out.

With Jessica, it's always been one of two ways.
If she knows about Shkanontrice, then fuck yeah, she's crazy or she's an evil sociopath.

If she doesn't, well, then she is truly a moralfag, as that would mean her actions in episode 4 were done even with her knowing she was going to die.

The trouble is that we can't quite pin if she knows about Shkanon or not.

>If she knows about Shkanontrice...
You're going into the topic assuming Shkannon is Beatrice. The real question turns out the opposite results.
If she knows about Shkannontrice and is trying to help by playing along, she's the moralfag.
If she's in denial about Shkannon then there is no Shkannontrice, only Jessitrice.

>>5913720
Really, to you it is perfectly normal to believe this?
To me someone who accept this as the truth in ten seconds is far more retarded.

>>5913871
>If she knows about Shkanontrice, then fuck yeah, she's crazy or she's an evil sociopath.

Why the hell can't she be THE BEST BRO EVER playing along with her best friend's DID no matter what?

Everyone, listen.

Episode 5 was the answer to episode 1, and thus it revolved around Natsuhi and Kinzo.

Episode 6 was the answer to episode 2, and thus it revolved around Shannon and Kanon.

Episode 7 will be the answer to episode 3, and thus it will revolve around Eva and Kyrie.

[spoilers]I WANT TO BELIEVE[/spoilers]]

>>5915729
God fucking spoilers fail

>>5911865
I never knew this existed. Beats booting up the VN and CTRLing my way through whenever I need to fact-check. Bookmarked, thanks man.

>>5915729
dumb.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3166557&postcount=14814

George is the culprit.

Jessica may be a second faction culprit though, and fuck up Georges plans in episodes 3 and 4.

>>5915932
I wished for George to be the culprit all along. The guy doesn't even stop to think when presented with possibility to murder someone for his love. In his monologue, he tells how his envy towards Battler made him change his ways and was the turning point for him. If his line of thinking has led him to murders, it may be as well said that Battler has unknowingly triggered the whole deal. Though chatting with Shannon really doesn't cut as being "sin", maybe there's more to it. And on a related note, George's monologue is literally a confession.

>>5916316
People should really stop with the whole "confession" thing. Looking back through the blurbs for the previous books, I'm almost certain that they're all referring to the murders within the gameboard, not the overall narrative. In Ep6, there isn't a single crime committed which Erika doesn't confess to. There's no mysteries left in it (at least until she gets denied)

Also, love how this thread has mostly been Jessica vs George instead of instead of the usual "Disguise = Insane = Mass Murder" train of non-thought.

>>5912274
Link? I haven't seen much of the EP3 Manga.

>>5912558
My personal take on it is that if Shannon is faking as Kanon it's not that Kanon was a personality she made out of the blue, but actually based it on the 'little brother' she knew from the orphanage...the real Kanon. So it's entirely possible.