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Reposting my glorious staff bought at just 60k.

I just had this thrown at me while playing in Palmia.

A music ticket, should I keep it? What does it do?

>>5904792
I'm sorry, Lumiest.. not Palmia.

>>5904792
It's nothing at present, yoy get them from performance quests as well.

May as well repost this. I wonder why it's called the Vanilla Rock.

>>5904862
I had a stone called loser virgin....

>>5904792

Little more to do than collect them for now.

>>5904862

Probably because, even among the unique artifacts, it's pretty ordinary.

It'd be amusing though if there was an artifact rock for every material type though. Like perhaps the <Diamond in Rough> (diamond material) or the <Meteor Shard> (zylon?)

>>5905009
<Rock on>
It deals sound damage

<Rock and a hard place>
Causes paralysis

<Rock Bottom>
Deals nether damage

And so on in that matter.

I have a question about piercing damage. If a weapon is say 3d10 with a 20% chance to pierce. Is that a 20% chance for 3d10 to pierce or does each d10 have it's own roll for pierce damage. Also fuck you captcha and your gibberish words.

>>5905009
The <Gold Nugget>, absolutely useless weapon wise, but an adventurer will give anything for it.

The <Green Rock>, emerald rock that inflicts poison damage.

The <Ultimate Combination>, a paper rock. Not even scissors can beat it. No idea what the enchantment for this would be.

The <Hellstone>, an obsidian rock that does fire and dark damage. Not even considered for use because it does fire damage.

The <Fishtank Decoration>, coral rock even worse than a regular rock, but it improves fishing skill.

The <Haunted Skull>, a bone rock that does dark damage.

The <Dragon Heart>, dragon scale rock that does fire damage.

Maybe one for each material type can happen.

>>5905045
Damage and piercing are seperate things. The amount of piercing a weapon has dictates how much of the enemy's PV you ignore when attacking. Meaning if you hit an enemy with 200 PV with a 25% piercing weapon. The enemy's Protection rating will act as if the enemy only had 150 PV.

>>5905074
<the Jaw Breaker>
Made of raw. Causes damage when eaten.

<Ball of Steel>
Increases constitution

>>5905035
>>5905074
>>5905132

Oh /jp/, how I love thee~ I wasn't expecting anyone to actually come up with anything more, you just made my night.

>>5904862
Well, my rock beats yours.

>>5905035
OH THE PUNS
Yeah, I laughed.

>>5905183
<sack of marbles>
Made of leather
Marbles inside are a random material.

<the Throw Pillow>
Made of cloth
Invokes sleep

>>5905198
I've got an eternal force rock too. It's kind of wimpy compared to yours though.

>>5905253
Forgot my picture.

How do I change it so no-drop items become sellable/droppable again? Accidentally made a useless item undroppable, and can't do anything with it :/

Well some of the NPCs are pregnant in Palmia. How do i find out who is it?

>>5905321
In examine mode, press * while highlighting the item.

>>5905333
Whats the point of making an item undroppable?

The <False Eye>, glass rock that grants a bonus to charisma, but a penalty to perception

The <Pin Ball>, chrome rock that occasionally bounces off one enemy to hit another

The <Crystal Orb>, crystal rock that grants see invisible and reveals religion

The <Ball of Yarn>, cloth rock that when equipped makes all cat-based monsters non-hostile.

The <Rift in the World>, ether rock that deals nerve, mind, and chaos damage. not only does it speed up either disease, but equipping it will slowly build up your insanity score

>>5905339
It has some organizational value when you're trying to get rid of a load of crap.

>>5905089
Cheers, I was curious about that.

>>5905333
Does nothing for me

Any ideas what i should use rods of alchemy on?

The <Reddest Ruby>, rubynus rock that deals cut damage and subsequently makes the enemy bleed their red blood.

The <Third Place> Bronze rock that increases all stats by one point.

The <Weakest Link>, chain rock that reduces your strength, constitution, and trivia knowledge.

The <Ball Without Chain> Iron rock that is very heavy, it invokes gravity.

The <Frozen Fish> Scale Rock that deals cold damage.

>>5905259

>The enemy dies.

Well that certainly is a very useful enchantment.

Is there any way in game to see my favor with my god? Beats me what I'm up to with lulwy.

>>5905443
Chests, an empty chest will transform into a full one. You can do it on potions for the chance of getting something good, but that doesn't happen all to often.

>>5905727
Will it work on the boss bewejelled chests?

>>5905736
Any chest. Downside is, you won't always get a loot chest. Sometimes it'll be a material chest or a safe.

My character's pregnant... is there any way to get an abortion or something?

>>5905766
drink poison, you got an alien in you.

>>5905579
>it brings an end
That one's slightly less useful, but infinitely more fun.

>>5905847
Giving the enemy dies/brings an end stone to a bell is hilarious fun.

>>5905854
That reminds me of two queries I have about bells
Do that have the Firearms skill
And how do I acquire one?

>>5905780
ink is better for this purpose

>>5905872
Use the wiki.

Search Bell.

Anyone here playing full pledged magician? Heard it is a real pain in the ass at the beginning, any useful pointers?

>>5906400
You're gonna need evasion no matter what, so don't skimp on that. Aside from that stock up on gold and buy low level spells like magic dart and train casting till your fingers go numb .

>>5906400

Currently playing Lich/Wizard

I highly recommend you take a race other then Lich. Perhaps Yerles instead, spellbooks do not come easy at all and the ancient books I need to get into the mages guild seem to be even more rare then usual in this version, you will pretty much be a gimped pianist if you go pure wizard right from the get go so get a race that can do some support to get you money or be a caster race/pianist instead and work on your magic eventually.

>>5906413
Yeah been stockpiling spell books, rods, scrolls, so far I'm still doing the escort and delivery quests, but I couldn't really see how to transform my character into battle savvy, wish I got at least panty for this.

>>5906448

Rods/Scrolls of Mana and a high level Magic Arrow are a necessity for any combat at all. No matter how high your mana gets it will never be enough, and no matter how awesome elemental spells become you will need magic arrow to do anything.

>>5906437
Playing Lich is a good decision. That 140 mana score means you'll have 40% more mana than most other races. The 20% less health doesn't pose a problem at all since constitution is so much easier to increase than magic. Plus, liches come with some resistance feats which, while not much, are still better than what other races get. Liches make the second best pure casters after fairies and the best hybrids.

If you pick a horrible race like yerles (90 mana is not caster friendly), you'll soon find that you aren't much of a mage, what with casting 3 times before depleting your mana bar and all.

>>5906483

That extra mana doesn't seem to do much for me considering I still need about three times my mana if I want to do any dungeoning at all. I am using tons of mana scrolls anyway and the yerles would of made getting Jeweler/Gardening/Mining much easier while building up my literacy and such.

While I do like the bonuses lich gives me it is a massive chore to do anything and I am level 10 with no end to this in sight.

So there I was, dungeon crawlan with my little girl, I was a level 5 fairy with no weapons or magic, I died a few times but managed to reach the last floor of a level 2 dungeon tower, I killed the <Snail> boss, but suddenly a Fairy appeared.

It was hell, bolts flying everywhere, my resistance helped me survive but my loli wasn't so lucky, the bitch threw a bolt from behind and killed her.

After cleaning the floor I finally found the Fairy again, I was pissed. She stole my money, my kills and my loli companion.

I readied my fists, threw all my items on the floor and started punching her, the bitch teleported every time and healed herself, I used hero potions, rods of slow, threw a few silence and weaken bottles to no avail, my 2d6+3 just wasn't enough.

Eventually I ran out of food and energy, I went back to the town and with the little gold I had left managed to hire an adventurer with a steel claymore, we went back to the dungeon and there she was, sitting on the corpse of my imouto.

I charged at her, then a kamikaze yeek exploded killing us both.

Fucking elona.

I charged at her,

So there I was, dungeon crawlan with my little girl, I was a level 5 fairy with no weapons or magic, I died a few times but managed to reach the last floor of a level 2 dungeon tower, I killed the <Snail> boss, but suddenly a Fairy appeared.

It was hell, bolts flying everywhere, my resistance helped me survive but my loli wasn't so lucky, the bitch threw a bolt from behind and killed her.

After cleaning the floor I finally found the Fairy again, I was pissed. She stole my money, my kills and my loli companion.

I readied my fists, threw all my items on the floor and started punching her, the bitch teleported every time and healed herself, I used hero potions, rods of slow, threw a few silence and weaken bottles to no avail, my 2d6+3 just wasn't enough.

Eventually I ran out of food and energy, I went back to the town and with the little gold I had left managed to hire an adventurer with a steel claymore, we went back to the dungeon and there she was, sitting on the corpse of my imouto.

I charged at her, then a kamikaze yeek exploded killing us both.

Fucking elona.

Playing lich/wizard now, in the end i resorted to cheating infinite spell stocks and 300 meditation.

Running out of mana is absurdly easy even with the +25% MP feat and spell stocks are not enough even with the mages guild.

1000 spell stocks takes quite a bit of money and time to obtain and it doesnt even last you 100 casts...which is what mid level combat WILL require.

Seriously feels like im a gimped gunner...

maxing out mutations takes soooo long :(

I think I might have a couple more to get too

>>5906539
>in the end i resorted to cheating infinite spell stocks and 300 meditation.
Faggot.

>>5906505
You are vastly overestimating the yerles bonus. It's great for the first 20 or 30 levels, but when leveling slows down it's a drop in the ocean. Mages take a bit of patience to start, but once you're past this hurdle you won't regret it.

To solve mana problems, try to expand your mana bar even more. With 5 points in the magical feat, you'll have 165% mana. Doing the magic fruit quest increases this to 168%. Turning in 10 little sisters for yet more magic fruit will put it at 180%, which is twice what yerles start with.

And make sure to level meditation, a huge mana bar that restores at the speed of continental drift isn't a solution. Never run around with a full mana bar. If you have mana, practice some buffs or heals. Or read a tough book that's likely to fail and drain your bar. What I did was reserve a metric ton of holy shield spellbooks from the mages' guild and always cast it while doing quests or moving between towns and such. Not only did this put my regeneration to about 50/turn, I also got my holy shield to around +120 pdef.

Kinda new to Elona, can one of you fine gentlemen hint at where this might be?

>>5906539
What's the point of cheating in a game like this? I think that ruins the fun. The whole point of playing roguelikes is because they're stupidly hard, and it's satisfying when you succeed despite the high difficulty.

>>5906555
Use the world map for fuck sakes.

It's in the wiki.

>>5906555
look here:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080710073809/elona/images/8/89/ElonaWorldMap.jpg

it's not that hard to do treasure maps when you can look over everything

>>5906562
Th-thank you..

>>5906557
The wiki map is outdated.

>>5906555
Use * to move the world map around.

>>5906556
Constantly running out of both mana, spell stocks and gold to buy spellbooks with is too annoying.

In the end wizard is nothing more than a gimped gunner. You will be amazed at how little damage a level 35 13d25 lightnign bolt does.

>>5906617
Well, rather than cheating, why not reroll as a better race/class? Now that you've realized that your spellcaster is gimped, you can go back and make a better character. But the game is devalued when you resort to cheating.

>>5906630
Best race = mutant. Don't deny it, having an extra arm or head at late game makes you godlier!

>>5906630
Invested way too much time into this character.

>>5906617
>Constantly running out of both mana, spell stocks and gold to buy spellbooks with is too annoying.

Then you're doing it wrong. The only time I really run out of gold is when a traveling merchant has a badass item that I just HAVE to buy, and it costs hundreds of thousands of gold. You might have to stock up on books, practice memorization, practice casting (get a monster in a sand bag, and have at it until you deplete stocks), read more books to practice those stats, and then descend into dungeons.

After all, only a fool thinks they can master wizardry in the depths of a dungeon without practice. That's one of the things I love the most about rogue-likes and Elona.

>>5906617
Stop paying tax.

Wow, it seemed liked just a few days ago that it was at only 300-something votes...

>>5906720
We stopped caring about Suika about few days ago, when he/she hit 400.

>>5906697
Buying 20+ books from the mages guild gets quite expensive, especially when you are investing everywhere.

Quests are pretty much a joke now since the money doesnt scale with the fame til you hit panic/challenge quests.

>>5906750

Rogue bosses are actually pretty good for money and mages can actually fight them at level 1. The cargos usually provide enough money for 1 or 2 spellbooks which would be more then enough to recoup the stocks you spend killing them, if there was a reliable way to purchase spellbooks that early that is.

So how'll you survive as a Lich Wizard, Pianist, and Fairy Claymore?

At first I thought the treasure of the wicked was shit (-20 karma limit which means no tax discount for being a good boy), but then I nuked vernis, and... understood.

>>5906779

If you have ever played any other roguelike it is a simple case of "Stay the fuck away from anything that can equip a weapon and nuke anything that can cast spells at you immediately"

Glass items boost your speed which is very helpful and are pretty cheap. Deck yourself out like so until you get actual gear.

>>5906807

forgot my pic also fucking captcha

>>5906779
Fairy claymore is easy enough. I'd say that was the only fighter/magic user build that doesn't suck balls. Just get some good gear from your parent to help you start, and avoid kamikaze yeeks like the fucking plague.

Playing this Snail is really starting to piss me off.

On the bright side, I now have access to the Mage's Guild in Lumiest.

>>5906779

I've found one of the best places to practice perform is the cyber dome. Everything in there is fairly low level, even the shopkeepers, so you should be able to get a sizable audience with minimal rock throwing. And no SURPRISE <Loyter> the crimson of Zanan to one shot you.

>>5906642

I'm rather loving my current goblin character. I've got crafting materials coming out of my ears. Starting with both mining and fishing is a pretty nice little perk too, leaving me with only one material gathering spot I can't reliably gather from.

>>5906829
>And no SURPRISE <Loyter> the crimson of Zanan to one shot you.

Elona devs should make it a curse effect / extreme bad luck effect that loyter suddenly spawns when you perform.

fucking loyter and vanity survived my nuke. next time i'll plant two.

>>5906836
You can put two at the same time? I tried killing Vanity so many times. I tried nuking him, I tried poisoning him, I tried killing him head on, but noooooooooo, fucking ragnarok everytime.

>>5906750
Do Perform Quests. Great gold making quests. I love them.

Part 21.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=mqdbqjykvh2d6

>Choose little girl as pet
>Actually turned out to be best choice as I can give her equipment
>Little girl has evolved into a young woman!
>Bang her
>Die later
>Restart game as our son.

>>5906841
I have no idea if you can. Don't see why not though. He died once from a random event, shit was so cash.

>>5906841
Have you tried cursed booze?

Part 22.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=mqdbqjykvh2d6

>>5906963
Forgot this..

>>5907003
Did he find it on hard gay?

>>5906833
>Elona devs should make it a curse effect / extreme bad luck effect that loyter suddenly spawns when you perform.
Nah, Loyter shouldn't spawn, he should just perform a long distance toss.

Any tips on rapid leveling a god pet? Level 8 is way too low at the kind of dungeons and quests i am doing.

I got a level 1 monster ball as random loot. Is it good for anything? I think even vanilla putits are level 2.

>>5907055
Yes, gold bell

>>5907064
How in the fuck do you capture a gold bell with a ball? It heals too fast!

>>5907074
poison/bleed

>>5907074
It's pretty easy. I simply threw a poison to get mine.

>>5907045

I think gene engineering should boost levels sometimes.

Hey guys, I got the Winchester Premium yesterday and I'm wondering if I should just abandon the android now. He hasn't successfully bred and he sucks in general. Should I?

>>5907091
I think he should be the best god shooting pet, since the wind god pet suck (she never fucking shoot!).

Part 23.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=mqdbqjykvh2d6

And that's all for now, need to go spelunking for more, expect more tomorrow or so.

>>5907125
she shoots just fine with a bow for me.

>>5907074
1. Throw poison
2. Throw ball
3. ???
4. Profit!!!

>>5906906
Throw at him? What good will that do?

>>5907154
starves him to death.

>>5907160
Instantly? He'd come after me with LET'S RAGNAROK if he doesn't die instantly.

>>5907163
Like 5 throws takes him down

>>5907045
Gene a higher level into the god pet. A higher level will give half their level difference to a lower level. Let's say you merge a level 38 to a level 8, the level 8 will gain like 15 levels, straight to 23.

lv 22 lich wiz here, there's more to wizzies than throwing magic dart 24/7 at higher levels. Bolt spells will eventually do much more damage, and ice balls make short work of crowds. Bell/twinbell pet helps A LOT against random wywern-at-puppy-cave trolling. Nerve bolts paralyze decently, so might want to level that too. Also, already liking my new hat from treasure map.

>>5907213
Dude a snail tourist with bells/quicklings would still rule the game.

Bells/quicklings break the game as pets

I just discovered that noble children in party time quests drop fuck loads of ores EVERYTIME.

>>5907213
>That hat.

Oh my Ehekatl that is an orgasmic hat.

>>5907226 Bells/quicklings break the game as pets
And they have their weaknesses.

If you are RELYING on bells/quicklings/ultra-fast pets to win the game for you, I'm going to laugh my ass off when you come up to room loaded with Poison Hounds, because they will all die and you're probably going to follow them soon since you can't fucking train yourself because your pets are beasting everything for you.

>>5906841

Try getting two bells. the two bells continuously shoot vanity, if you have melee underlings that do decent damage, it makes the process faster, vanity will be too busy try to chase one of the two bells to attack the melee units. Also, only use ranged weapons, stay at least 4-5 tiles away, on the opposite to the side any of your bells are on, because he somehow tries to chase you if you manage to land a successful hit on him, so he's gonna go after you, or one of the bells, and keep on disregarding the melee. It's going to take a while but that's how I ended up killing him without triggering ragnarok on a couple of my games.

>>5907213
>>5907226

Yeah, bells = cheese. Not that you shouldn't use one when you just start out and all you're doing is going back and forth performing and escorting and such, but when you seriously start dungeon diving you should go with pets that aren't so game-breaking.

>>5907236

They also drop your karma by -10 everytime.
On the other hand, tourist only kill your karma by-5.
Both of them drop a lost wallet quite often.

Somehow new to Elona. Has been playing 1.16 version, but I got curious about texture pack, should I really install it, is there really a big difference between original and this pack?

Real men go head-to-head with Vanity and beat him down the old fashioned way. If you've got the defense power to stand up to his melee attacks, the ragnaroks going off around you, and the resulting swarms of dragons, will be a non-issue for you, and indeed will actually do damage to him.

>>5907241
Rooms full of poison hounds are not exactly common.

My bell just ran happily through a minefield in one turn. The result was not pretty. It's not just poison, bells aren't completely invulnerable. They can be gangbanged, and god help you if your bell can't one-shot mass monsters. I'm not saying they're not broken, just that they aren't immortal. It's your call whether or not you want to take it easy through the game with bells or not. And my bell is fucking moe, so I'm not parting with her.
Haters gonna hate.

Note to self, don't read spellbooks near vanity. I don't think he used ragnarok, as there aren't huge beasts everywhere. But the northeast end of Vernis is burning down. Is there a way to stop it, or do I just wait for rain?

I killed Vanity with cursed booze in a party time quest. Shortly after in Vernis the unseen eye killed him. The RNG works in fickle ways.

>>5907319
the texture pack kicks ass. it doesn't replace anything, so you have nothing to lose by downloading it.

I've never played a wizard before. Ran out of offensive spells/spellbooks. Shops aren't selling any. Can't go through Puppy Cave without dying. Not in mage guild yet. Do I start over?

>>5906823

Have some OC based on your adventures, oh valiant snail user.

It's not as funny as I thought it would be when i was just imagining it though.

>>5907462
Yes just play a gunner. Its like a mage without limited ammo.

>>5907462
Always have an alternative. When my wizard ran out of spells on low levels, I took out my glass machine gun and filled kobolds with holes while my pet kept 'em busy. Kiritsugu way of doing things.

I just got a <cultist of fire> from a scroll of ally. That would be awesome, except the creatures it summons are hostile to it and my party. Oh well. Guess I'll just splice it with my golden knight for the levels.

>>5907349
They may not be common, but when it happens you'll hate life.

Especially if your pets are the only things capable of actually killing things.

So I just got my own portable altar now. It's still pretty heavy, but I can carry it along with my entire inventory which includes two trees. My android still hasn't bred. Should I just get rid of him now and go for Kumiromi?

>>5907601
Why are you carrying trees around?

>>5907623
To train weightlifting.

>>5907645
>You train Weight Lifting by performing actions such as walking around or searching for materials while Burdened or heavier; however, carrying more will not increase the rate at which it is trained.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Weight_Lifting

Why doesn't anyone read the wiki?

>>5907651
I was below burdened status when not carrying trees. Seriously my max weight limit is 226 stone.

>>5907655
>my max weight limit is 226 stone.

That's pretty high. What level are you?

>>5907660
Level 30. I'm also wearing the ring of Steel Dragon and a shield with ## weightlifting too. My weightlifting skill is like 39 I think, strength 98, and constitution 74.

>>5907645
I'm pretty sure weight lifting doesn't train any faster when you reach Burden! and Overweight. Unless you're really that strong to carry around two trees, an altar, and everything else and still be under the Burden status.

Anyway, I guess your other god pet is a member of your active party? Your call, if you're in a rush to pick up a future weapon or want to wait for that extra copy of the android to pop up and sit around in the ranch for the sake of completion, because I doubt it's going to see any use. You've come this far, you may as well sit it out a bit longer (how long have you been going?) to get it out of the way instead of converting to Mani again, or ignore the android copy altogether.

Can somebody please explain me: Chat and the Voting box are the only 'online' features of this game, or is there actually a possibility to meet other player online somehow?

Starting my wizard over; getting platinum coins for Firearm. GUNMAGE GUNMAGE
If this is a bad idea, please inform me.

>>5907680
>Are there other features
Yes

>Can you meet other players
No.

Online content can add additional monsters to your game, like spore. Other players (currently japanese-only) can upload their homes and allow other players to explore.

>>5907701
I'd say it is a sub-perfect idea because spreading your ranged attacks out will make them grow less.

Spells gain damage as they level up, if you focus on a single attack spell then it can get pretty huge and scale up to endgame.

>>5907671
I don't plan on taking the altar with me everywhere I go. I mainly just got one in preparation for Kumiromi and offering Yowyn vegetables.

I'm just considering if I should not bother with him at all, really. I'm thinking of getting every Godpet, making them powerful with a breeding yith after I get a high level ball and giving them each of their respective God Weapons. Thing is I'm not going to have much party space since i already have seven pets. My mount, a bell, a little girl, a younger sister, a young lady, a younger cat sister, and my shopkeeper. With all seven Godpets and a breeding yith I'd be at 15 pets which is the max so it would take away all escort type quests. Getting rid of the android would leave me some room.

So, I started to play this.
Rolled a Fairy Claymore since that's what you guys usually recommend. So far I like the game, pretty fun since you can do anything (Take that Molyneux).

But, I'm thinking of re-rolling. Don't get me wrong, I like not being touched, but not being able to carry my weapon kills it for me, any suggestions other than Fairy clay for a begginner?

Also, I tried extracting those custom npcs but everytime i start the game it crashes. Playing the Xmas version I had laying around since last year(?)

I'm having mix feeling about this stone. That name alone feels like it is worth getting.

>>5907733
Try a Juere Warrior. They're pretty solid, and easy to play too.

>>5907739
That's pretty awesome. The skill boosts will make your life easier, and being able to invoke holy shield on command is a nice buff you can use whenever you feel like.

>>5907733
Anyone suggesting fairy claymore is a troll; it is impossible for fairies to wield two-hand.

>>5907733
try removing any japanese characters from the file names, that should work.

>>5907801
No, if you find cloth or other material types for your claymore you can wield them and you get insane dodge bonuses.

>power goes out while playing
>level 28 save completely fucked

Fuck this, I'm playing whatever is next on my games folder.

>>5907828

It's not about that, it's how Two-Hand skill works.

Typically, a weapon needs to be over 3.5-4s to be wielded two handed. Otherwise, it's too light.

For a fairy that can't wield anything over 1s, this is a problem. Sure, they could dual wield it, but a claymore's meant to be about two-handed weapons, dual wielding's a thief's business.

>>5907712
>MAGIC ARROW ASASDJJGLAW
but no seriously when I don't have stable access to spellbooks and rods and such I find that having an alternative would be good

>>5907787
Thanks, last time I tried a Juere I made her a pianist. MIght go warrior and see how it goes.
>>5907801
I see, guess it's time to delete some saves.
>>5907803
Oh thanks, will do.

>>5907213
Oh man, that hat is boss.
That's what a wizards hat should be.

>>5907860

The point is to start with Greater Evasion and stats for great dodge bonus to the Fairy race (as well as the very high Fairy speed). You can start as a Fairy Claymore and go on to be a Wizard in practice (though I'd suggest starting as a Fairy Wizard so you have higher magic-based stats). Or, you can start as a Fairy Claymore and play a thief-like character.

People don't recommend it because of Two-Hand, and if you think they do then you're being silly or stupid. Stop making misleading statements.

quick someone help me. I have "a doomed silk girdle" and i cant take it off. What do i need to do.

noob here. How do you continue levelling up beyond 8?

My pianist has good all his equipment on glass/obsidian tier complete with uniques. But he has problems killing even a regenerating troll with his machinegun.

>>5907986
Scroll of vanish curse, they're fairly rare. Be careful of what equipment you put on in the future, don't wear unidentified objects.

>>5907990
Slowly train up your combat skills on weaker monsters, you don't need to take on the biggest enemies you can find.

I also have a question for anyone else out there: is it possible to make pets of custom monsters? I managed to catch a rich girl on puchi, but the monster ball just summoned "debris" back out when I used it. This has happened to me before with another custom, is is possible to get one as a pet?

>>5907986
Read scrolls of uncurse. Or vanish curse if you don't want to burn through 50 regular uncurse scrolls. I'm not sure how helpful blessing the regular scrolls will help towards removing a doomed item.

Or, kill yourself until you drop it.

>>5907986
You could also try using scrolls of inferior material, aiming for raw so you can eat it off. Also, mix with blessed water will undo the curse.

>>5908027
Or read inferior scroll, then eat it if you don't have uncurse scrolls handy. Just a warning, it's not good for your stomach.

Also, my mutant is coming along quite well, 72 hp at level 7... now if I can only get more limbs so I can wear the rest of my gears, preferably legs so I can wear my seven league

>>5907990
>My pianist has good all his equipment on glass/obsidian tier complete with uniques. But he has problems killing even a regenerating troll with his machinegun.
If you're at level 8 then you have to business fucking with trolls.

>>5907986
Eating cursed raw equipment can damage your skills/stats, so be prepared for that if you take that route.

>>5907990

You do not actually level by killing monsters, you level by using your skills. Fighting harder monsters would actually make it harder for you to level since your skills will not be as effective as on weaker monsters.

Fucking fuck fuckery faggot fucker.

His Chaos Ball does like 80 damage to me with ### resistance, he summons tough (Lv. 40+) enemies, HE EVEN SELF HEALS.

I had him down to almost nothing and then he heals himself for over half his lifebar...I drank around 30 potions of Healer, 27 potions of heal critical, some teens of potions of heal major...

So close and yet so far :(

>>5908113
Holy fuck how did you get such good equipment at level 7?

>>5908294
parents, probably.

>>5908294
You can inherit the equipment and items of your parent if they got married and "made a gene". Just buy some deeds of heirship.

>>5908252

Bring a rod of silence next time.

>>5908371
He resisted everything I tried, poisons, slow, weakness, lower resist, and even silence. He also floats; I tried planting mines for him to step on, but he just floats right over them.

It is a tough fight....

Since I used all of my healer potions on that fight, I'm just criss-crossing the continent to replenish my stock while stopping off at the arenas to increase my rank.

need more potions ;_;

>>5908399

How high is your magic device skill? He shouldn't resist silence THAT much. Potions should work all the time with a decent throwing skill but the durations will be low and you will need alot. Hes got a totally badass scythe that enhances his spell power so you do not want anything less then #####+ chaos resistance if you are actually trying to fight him instead of beering him to death.

>>5908435
I -rarely- use rods.

The damage isn't that problematic if I have plenty of powerful potions, since I'm pretty tanky. The real problem is the self-healing, which guarantees his survival unless I can deal out over 1/4th of his life in a single blow.

Thrown potions definitely aren't 100% guaranteed to inflict their status effects. I threw about 5 potions of silence at him, of those, 3 hit and he resisted the hex every time. Once he closed distance I quit bothering with thrown potions and took up my scythe.

I also have no pets; not like they'd even survive the first blast anyway.

I'd been thinking about switching out my pretty beastly scythe if I can get the <Kumiromi Scythe>, since it's light enough to be one-handed and then I could equip a shield for ridiculous tanksmanship.

>>5907975

Ignore the last sentence of my post then. I'm not trying to be misleading, was only trying to explain >>5907801

I have a silver bell that can use firearms but not bows. Does anyone else have the same problem?

>>5908457
Why not just grind moar?

wat

>>5908522
Sell him. His primary attack is to run into things and explode.

I'm a motherfucking rock star! I finally got <Whom dwell in the vanity> to appreciate my music!

Sure, my performer is at 42, but there's no way that would be enough. I have a ### bonus robe (that I wear all the time because it has good protect and other things), a ## hat, necklace, sickle (that I used before I found my amazing spellpower bonus staff), belt, bow, and a # katana and ring.

Is there anyone who is harder to please with performer than <Whom dwell in the vanity>?
While I hated <Loyter>, I was able to play for him long before now.

Is it possible to get bells from scrolls of ally, or do you have to catch them with monster balls? I've used scrolls of ally and savescummed about 40 times so far and haven't gotten one yet...

>>5908666

I am not sure how bells work, but it is possible you may be too high level to get bells by the time you get a scroll of ally

>>5908673
I'm level 10... is that too high? If so, where can I find bells to catch? I know most stuff in the game is randomly-generated, but are there certain places where they're more likely to be found? I haven't seen a single one in all the time I've played so far.

>>5908677

Bells just appear. There is no specific place or requirements, just generate alot of dungeon levels by entering/exiting puppy cave or entering random dungeons and you will eventually see one.

Finally stopped screwing around, and playing currently as a Fairy Claymore. I can see why that's a nice combo, Greater evasion and all that, and I don't need weapons besides ones for pets. Not sure on what to do on other equipment and money, I've gotten 3K from quests and that one from Shena, and everything seems to be too cheap to sell.

>>5908689

Oh and keep an eye out for a *ring* message and a Something Vanishes message. The something vanishes tells you the bell is gone.

>>5908699
You can learn greater evasion from the mages' guild trainer.

OH FUCK GUYS WHAT DO I DO?!?!?

>>5908741
holy shit

>>5908741

It's all the same.

>Wooooo!

>Three years later...

Chaos Forts, I am coming...

Since I apparently can't get a bell from a scroll of ally at level 10, what's the best pet I can gain from it? Most of the ones I've gotten so far seem pretty bad (i.e. public performer, snail, hard gay, nurses, yeeks, etc), though I was able to get a couple better ones. Definitely not as good as bells, but considering that I have enough charisma to have 8 followers, I don't think it'd hurt to get some mediocre pets until I can acquire bells.

>>5908902

Quicklings maybe. Not sure if you are high enough level for those but Slaves from Derphy would be a better choice, all slaves are humanoid and can equip things to make them stronger and will start out similar to your level. Not sure about scrolls of ally but you generally do not get really cool things from it.

>>5908902
If you don't mind having an expendable suicide bomber, hard gays have a decently-strong detonation.

>>5908902
Actually, I just got a rabbit, which is level 1 (and now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure snails are level 1 as well). Doesn't that mean I should also be able to get a bell too, since golds are level 1 and silvers are level 3?

Maybe it's just really rare, like how wishes at wells happen approximately 1 out of every 1000 tries.

>>5908902

You can get one from a scroll of ally at level ten. Bells are ridiculously rare to get from scrolls of ally. You'll probably have to resort to savescumming if you want one that badly.

One of the best ones I've seen was a <<Knight>> Yes, a boss chess piece. I'm still using it. It could even serve as a temporary mount until I get capsules for the Kaneda Bike at the Jure Festival. It's actually coming up in four months, so I really need to get those capsules ASAP. Funny thing is that every time I go dungeon diving, I just go back to performing and then buying spell books. Gah! I need to get on with the dungeons!

>>5908699
Here, just wondering, what should I get with Platinum coins?

>>5908923

Put your rabbit on a ranch.

>>5908944
Train your favorite combat skills.

>>5908933
Not once have I found a capsule in my journey. Running 1.22, are they supposed to drop from thieves or are they just a random drop in general?

>>5908944

It depends on what skills you want, and what kind of character you want to play.
The best suggestions that anyone can use are the following:

Negotiation (with levels, reduces cost to buy and increases amount from selling - trained every time you buy or sell, so get it early).

Weight Lifting (whenever burdened, you train it, and with levels it increases the amount you can carry - so get it early).

Sense Quality (whenever getting an item, it attempts to identify it, as well as identifying it slowly over time - with levels identifies more upon pickup, makes the need to identify with spell or merchant less necessary - so get it early).

Eye of Mind (increases chance of landing a critical hit - may as well get it early).

Anatomy (increases the chance a corpse or another body item drops from an enemy - trained whenever killing an enemy - so get it early).

Hopefully that helped.
Beyond that, I can't say unless you tell me what kind of character you want to be. Mage? Get magic skills. Warrior? Get combat skills. Archer? Get ranged skills.

Learn to use the wiki.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Skills

>>5908960

I'm on 1.22 as well. They should drop from thieves, but I haven't gotten any.

Hah! Poor bastard.

Fuck yeah! It is possible at level 10 after all!

>>5908952
Okay. How would getting Performer sound?

>>5908960
Also been playing 1.22 a lot, have never encountered one either. Also I have way more aurora rings then I'd ever need. Also apparently I can't get a value better than 15500 gold for anything I try to sell.

>>5909005

It sounds horrible, but keep practicing it.
Away from me.

It's a great idea, and will give you a solid income whenever you feel like you need money. Before you get to that point, though, get gear that boosts performer, and practice practice practice (just like in real life).

Just made two treasure maps during one night worth of sleep, fuck yes.

I was looking into setting up a shop. Anyone know a good way to get into that? Should I build up a good stock of high-value items to sell?

What should I be getting with my small medals? I have almost 100 now...

>>5909048

potions of cure corruption, increased cargo capacity or the sages helmet/whatever it is called if you dont have a better one.

>>5909040
Well a shopkeeper for starters. I got a Juere Swordman to do it when I started it up. He's still selling to this day. The main things your shop needs is stuff. Just get stuff for it. Putting it near Vernis may be a good idea to the close proximity of the Puppy Cave. Simply run into the Puppy Cave, grab stuff until you're near your max weight limit, run to Vernis and identify your junk, and then sell whatever you don't want to keep.

>>5909073
Don't tell him to waste small medals on cure corruption potions. Seriously you can get those easy peasy in blackjack.

>>5909021
So don't do it near Loyter, and try to find equips that can fit a fairy and increase Performer.
Also, finally found a wish. Luckily when I wished for Seven League Boots, I got glass so it fits on my character.

>>5909176
>So don't do it near Loyter, and try to find equips that can fit a fairy and increase Performer.

Yep. One thing to do is take a rod of teleportation, a rod of summon monsters, food, your instrument, and go up to the sister's mansion. Find the one that sells lunches made with love (generally inside the mansion) and zap the summon monsters rod near her. She'll summon a TON of younger sisters that will appreciate even the crappiest music. Now, find the sister that sells the lunches again (might take a while, but this is important). Zap her with the teleport rod so that she isn't around you when you perform in the mansion.

Sit back and play play play until you get to about 20 performer (it would be a good idea to spend a ton of platinum before you even start to get potentials high - don't worry about that since you'll get it back by doing Party Time! quests).

uuuuuuuuuurghhh

Fuck Insanity. It cannot be stopped. If you are fighting tough enemies (Greater Race of Yith, Spiral King, Shub Niggurath come to mind) that can make you insane, you will always die a horrible death because you can't fucking do anything.

And guess what else? You can be driven insane with 0 sanity, so no, Unicorn Horns aren't even going to help you. Supposedly resistance to Mind helps, but even with #####+, I find myself going insane at first sight of one of these creatures. Pop a unicorn horn? Sanity goes back to 0, but the effects linger.

So you know, being driven insane is worse than dim; you are confused, your hit rate suffers, you damage suffers, your defense suffers, and your evasion suffers.

It's ridiculous, I'm beginning to think the only reliable way to complete Loyter's quest is to just nuke the whole damn thing.

>>5909555
>I'm beginning to think the only reliable way to complete Loyter's quest is to just nuke the whole damn thing.

There is nothing in the universe that the proper use of a nuclear weapon can't fix.

I'm getting a lot of these lately.

>>5909643
Those rings protect you from bad weather (other than etherwind.) Basically this means heavy rain and snow, which are only a minor inconvenience. Not even worth the equipment slot, put a speed ring there instead if you don't have anything better.

>>5909751
You can switch out equipment, you know?

>>5909751
I know what they do. I keep one with me for when I encounter heavy rain. It's just that I have six of them now, one artifact. Also I put all my speedrings on my pets since I use a mount. I stick with quest rings.

>>5909787
Eat your speed rings. It's better that way.

>>5909871
Why would I bother increasing my speed? It's base is 80. I'm going to stick with my horse. And when I can get one, a T-Rex. And after that Yaneda Bike assuming I ever find blue capsule drags.

Alright, so I'm in Noyel, drawing water from one of the well, and a blue bubble spawns. I first start throwing just shuriken to have some fun, but then forget my armor deals cut damage to attackers.

Thirty minutes later I'm still fighting the bloody things, although, I seem to be getting help from unusual places.

(And this is after putting out a fire in the inn with crim ale.)

>>5909926

Make your way to the fire giant and release him, it is the only way

>>5909926
Oh I've seen worse. Have you tried going into the sewer with shurikens? Mass monsters, mass monsters everywhere. Also, CUBED EVERYWHERE.

>>5909954
>>5909976

Okay, I think I'm making progr- OH GOD HOW DID THE FIRE GIANT GET LOOSE?

Can fire or acid completely destroy equipment? My bell just lost its arrows.

>>5910018
Fire almost always completely destroys whatever it gets to. I don't think i've seen acid completely destroy something, but I've seen armor get melted to -6 or so.

>>5910058
-6 anything may as well be completely destroyed, because that's about how useful any item would be at that level...

That's strange...My base con is only 16, but it's been raised to 30. I thought it would go down after I died, but I guess not...

uh she started following me after I talked to her with interaction, even though she's neutral
wat

>>5910150
[X]Take her home.

>>5910150
What is wrong with your armor? 46/49 at level 17? You should have at least 100+.

>>5910178
haven't bothered farming because I'm a lazy nigger and none of these adventurers have plate
pic related, can't find enough acid proof shit

>>5910227

At your point you should be able to easily acquire the Jeweler skill, which allows you to make change material scrolls at skill level 13. If you have been collecting materials and even if you haven't and just been letting materials fall from the sky you should have enough to make 10 or so scrolls you can use to make excellent armor. If you have water to burn you can even bless the scrolls to make them almost the same as superior material scrolls.

>>5910295
well as I said, no one has plate, and I can't be bothered to get good stuff unless it's plate. which probably is why I'm failing in low level dungeons.
on the other hand, stalker girl attacked a bard I attacked in hopes of stradavarius. too bad I can't make her a pet

>>5910335

Your gloves, girdle and candy ring could easily be changed to nearly double your pv with just those three items. Unless that 8 speed is truely necessary

>>5910353
I suppose I'll start looking for jeweler+ gear then

Is there any point in struggling to raise a pet's skill potential? The younger cat sister in particular.

>>5909011
What about wishing for it?

Oh shit balls. Some dumbass sent the stupid fire giant running around Noyel. To make things worse there's a god damn ice drake running around too. Guess I won't be returning there for a long time.

>>5910457
The only one who can unleash Ebon the Fire Giant is you ya know.

I just save scummed like a dirty faggot near a "thief" (the lower hostile NPC thief) and kept killing him over and over again to get a capsule. Over 20 kills and still no capsule. It might only drop off master thieves after all...

>>5910422
Wishing will get the 3 you need.

>>5910422
Blue capsule drags can only be wished for in Wizard Mode.

>>5910482
I guess I should have tested better.

>>5910477

Well apparently not. First time I even went there I heard someone is minced, died, etc until holy shit there he was burning everything in his path. Decided to let him kill a few people and get their stuff and then ice drake out of nowhere until I'm dead.

Awesome, this faggot decided to appear in Palmia while I was all the way in Derphy. Fortunately I managed to return scroll to my home next door before he could disappear again.

>>5910477

I WISH that were true. I wouldn't still have all these bubbles crawling down my throat. It seems like he's fine just shrugging off the shackles if a hostile monster so much as looks at him.

And all the fire just makes them split FASTER.

Just bought a castle. Now I have places to put all my furniture.

Single-target spells, casting level 20:

Magic dart
Level 25
100% success
4d15 damage

Nether arrow
Level 8
79% success
4d12 damage

Chaos Eye
Level 2
67% success
4d11 damage

Dark Eye
Level 8
91% success
4d14 damage

Crystal Spear
Level 2
55% success
4d14 damage

My thoughts: pick a single-target spell other than magic dart, use it as your primary attack. Reserve bulk amounts of it from the mage guild, use it as often as you can - abandon melee and ranged physical attacks alike. The elemental spells (anything besides 'magic' element) tend to give debuffs as well as damage, so using chaos/nerve aganst major bosses would be a good way to finish them fast.

>>5910659

Dark Eye blinds, which is great for some enemies.

I still say to also use Magic Dart for regular enemies and to save on spell stocks. For example, when traveling overworld or for other fights.

Don't neglect your bolts, either. Line damage can be a life saver and a room clearer, especially if you use special element ones.

It may just be the autism talking, but I still like mastering as many spells as possible and holding as many spell stocks as I can so that I can whip out whatever is appropriate, and so that I don't run out.

The only reason I fire my gun is to level it up since it's a living weapon. I plan to turn it into a stat stick (and the ammo will be for time stop and special damage effects to supplement my magic, and for when I want or need to recharge mana).

>>5910659
Unfortunately, most of the "bosses" are very resistant to status effects.

While it isn't impossible to, say, silence <Red-Eyed Deceiver>, you would have better luck just brute-forcing it and killing her outright rather than fiddling with crippling status effects.

In some cases, however, you may need the status effect to win, an example being <Zeome, the False Prophet>. You blast him until he's under about 1/4th, and then try desperately to pin Silence on him so he can't just heal the damage.

Then pray you can take off the remainder while he suffers the effect.

I have never managed to pin Paralyze on any boss-level monster, or any <monster> or {monster}. Maybe it's just bad luck on my part, but I've never seen this.

>>5910695
I agree with what you say, but my intention is to pick one spell to hold above all actions including both spells and weapons - assuming you're playing a caster. Just have the mage guild reserve it, and use it against anything for which you don't specifically intend to use another attack.

The key idea is to put all of your regular training efforts into one place so it grows as powerful as possible. Having a nerve attack at level 30 and casting at level 30 would be a good way to kill the boss in a a level 30 dungeon.

>>5910703
My personal experience is that dedicated debuff spells (slow, silence, weaken) are useless, especialy when you need them, but that arrow/bolt attacks which *also* carry debuffs can be extremely helpful. I just got done fighting a <sky golem> in the arena and elemental arrows were working quite well.

Nerve Arrow is a boss spell. Disabling with long lasting paralysis on nearly everything.

The weirdest things resist it though so it can't replace magic arrow as a kill anything spell and it takes much longer to be able to learn it efficiantly then Fire/Ice/Lightning bolts.

>>5910708

Exactly, but never abandon your magic missile (or its equivalent, which in this game is Magic Dart).

>>5910716
>My personal experience is that dedicated debuff spells (slow, silence, weaken) are useless, especialy when you need them, but that arrow/bolt attacks which *also* carry debuffs can be extremely helpful.

Exactly. If you do damage, you may as well gamble for a debuff if you can.

Tip for newbies from someone who's been playing roguelikes for 15 years:

If you're going to be a mage, then you're going to want teleporting as well as anything that keeps enemies from reaching you. Consider choosing dimensional move as one of your feats.

>>5910741
Actually that's part of my plan (within reason.) Pick a debuff+damage spell, tell the mage guild to reserve that and that alone until you have 5000+ charges. Then use that spell as your magic missile so that it gains levels; this will cause it to end up with a 100% casting success rate as well as excellent damage.

When you use this spell on bosses you'll be casting it many times in rapid succession, thus ensuring eventual success even with a low chance.

Scrolls of Inferior Material are pimpin'. Just turned my Godly Decorative Armor into a metal work that increased my house rank from 61 -> 55.

>>5910764

Actually, the more stocks you currently have, the less you seem to get from repeated reading. I personally like to get to about 300 to 500 stocks for the spam-able spells and keep books somewhere. I'm thinking of using the 4-dimensional pocket once I reserve enough books for it and get a boatload of stocks. And more books to store inside it so I can replenish the spell as I use it. Because it consumes stamina, I'd read books until they can stack in similar charge stacks. Like if there's a 6 charge and a 7 charge book, I'd read the 7 charge one once to get a stack of 2 6 charge books. The other choice is to give my pets my book stacks and blankets to protect the books (which you should give to every pet anyway). Then I can just use the 4D pocket to store all of my other books and maybe even special situation rods and scrolls and potions if they can fit.


I REALLY wish the 14 item limit was removed from pets. My Golden Knight can hold well over 200 stone, but has barely over 100 held because of the limit. They should be limited by what their strength will allow, just like you.

Magic dart has lower damage on paper but everyoe usually has low resists to it. Its also one of the few things that can outdamage bells if you level it enough.

Oh and theres the uber version of magic dart.

When did the guards become this douchey? I can't even hand over wallets anymore without them suspecting me of anything.

>>5910967
Try handing wallets to more than one guard. See if that works out better.

>>5911012

The guards have some sort of information network about me, I want to try out handing them wallets with incognito in effect, but so far, nothing of similar effect has appeared in my game, as of yet.

>>5910967
>When did the guards become this douchey?
Version 1.17. It's in the changelog
>* Guards will be suspicious if you give them wallets frequently.

>>5910967
Turning them in isn't worth it anymore. I guess it was meant to stop abuse with them and make redemptions more important, but... eh. Nuke their city and then kill them on sight. That's what I've been doing for a while now.

Damn it, I am scumming this new year's gift until I get Gould's Piano or at least one of the other artifacts.

>>5910967
I think turning in stolen goods only works so many times, then it starts having a reversed effect to keep people from farming it.

In other news, my catgod and her young lady waifu just had a gene together. New fairy pianist's inheritance includes a happy bed, a Jure body pillow, an artifact fallen panty, 7 monster balls, a barbeque set, a full set of equipment for a fairy which buffs relevant skills, and a set of furniture that raises a cozy house to rank 32.


....last but not least, if you use 1.22 with the latest graphics expansion, body #37 in the chargen dialog looks like Shinki.

>>5911187
How do you get adventurers to give you good stuff anyway?

Guards are pretty fucking weak. If you have pickpocket and decent sense quality look at their equipment.

They wear things like steel banded mails and wield bronze long staffs....complete and utter fail.

If you summon monsters in Palmia only the named NPCs will be able to kill anything tougher than a goblin.

Suddenly, bubble invasion in Lumiest. Just fyi, I'm not wearing my proper chest plate (using one with deal cut to attacker, just to spam more bubble), nor a shield.

>>5911415
Is there a karma penalty for indirectly killing people in this manner?

>>5911451
Luckily no. Then again I don't care about karma. I'm planning on going back to -100 when I hit lv 15. You can abuse this by having a bubble pet, then give it a poison/dye to drink and watch it split hostiles like a mofo

Is it still possible to change your PC's aesthetics mid-game?

>>5911644
Press C -> then P.

bump

>>5911836
Theres really no need for that, you know.
The thread does fine for hours, some of them last a couple days before we hit the bump limit.

help me out out /jp/
i'm not immune to confusion or aliens without either of these.
i already have superb+ fire resistance.

>>5911932
Go for the gloves of Vesda. Confusion is incredibly annoying, whereas you can just drink acid to get rid of aliens.

>>5911665
Very buggy, i get two overlapping sprites in the preview pane.

Hory shet, I didn't know this town existed. Larna?
And it sells this amazing crap.

Kind of expensive, but its not like gold is hard to come by.

>>5911974
Gold is hard to come by. 4k for a quest is a joke.

>>5911989
Gold is easy to get, with performing or cargo trading. I'm level 10 and have about 500k gold and lots of good gear and items, and a really decked-out house.

>>5912005
Performing is broken in beta, although with two pieces of ++ equipment i can do low level ones now.

Cargo trading isnt very lucrative though, unless you do nothing but cargo runs(as in just run into the pub, sell, exit, etc).

>>5912028
That might be true for the beta, but seeing as how I'm still playing 1.16, it's not an issue for me.

And cargo trading is quite lucrative, as long as you buy all the cargo you possibly can and have an efficient trade route. The key is to not worry about being overburdened. My cargo limit is about 100 stones, but my usual load from cargo trading is 1200-1500 stones. The only problem with this is that you'll encounter rogue bosses a lot, but if you savescum or can fight or escape them, it isn't a problem. And it takes a lot longer to travel too, but as long as you have seven leagues and some other gear for traveling, it shouldn't hinder your progress too much.

Also, it really helps if you read this PDF of prices for various towns:
http://rapidshare.com/files/134643715/data_for_trade.pdf.html

>>5912028
No it's not broken. Even Loyter ENJOYS my music now!

>>5912097
Errr yea you are breaking the game if you are carrying 1k+ worth of cargo.

Actually its an easy way to break the game if you carry 1k+ of cargo but keep your fame at 0 so the rouge bosses are weak as shit.

>>5912097
>He still uses 1.16
Cheater.

I just got a miracle Seven League boots. Feels good man. Hopefully the stats won't be too shitty as well.

>>5912097
Or you can just built at storage house nearby towns and built a house nearby other faraway town, stockpile things then use scroll of return

>>5912420
Mmmm thats a bit like using scroll of return during quests, but with no karma hit.

>>5911253
Lots of blessed love potions and disguise kits. I threw like over 20 at one adventurer while repeatedly disguising myself. After that scum visits until the adventurer appears and gives you a new year's gift.

I just went into a dungeon with fire tiles everywhere and i was taking damage the whole time.

Whats with that?

>>5912632
It's the Fire Tower. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the Fire Tower.

>>5912638
Is there anything special in it? Seems to be a randomly generated DL15 one.

>>5912668
It's part of the main quest if I remember right.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tower_of_Fire

I've been pretty lucky with "of X" equipment, and I've got the Unknown Shell, but there's still an obvious, gaping hole in my resistances. There are too many enemies with a hard-hitting nether attack for me to ignore that like I plan to with poison. What can I do about it? And I really am not looking forward to doing this for every pet I take along...

Also, can anyone explain to me why my White Wolf Yukata does more self-buffing than attacking?

So a rod of domination I found turns out to be cursed, are rods affected by curses? Will it just lower my rate of success or something?

>>5913288
Most cursed rods just fail when used. Try to bless yours to remove the curse.

>>5913288
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Curse

Silly audience! You're not even pets!

Ironic name.

>>5914775
>It brings an end.

Oh no, not again!

I like this claymore. Level 11 and still not sucking blood.

Scumming this gift with lucky day in effect doesn't seem to be giving me any better results. I've seen everything from this gift besides the artifacts and a lightsabre.

My evasion is at 110% at the moment... does having >100% serve any real purpose? I mean, how can you evade attacks more than 100% of the time?

>>5914901
Enemies have accuracy and evasion chance too. Those interact with your accruacy and evasion chances. If your enemy has a 200% chance to hit compared to your 110% chance to evade there's a good chance you're getting hit.

well now... this is a rather odd moongate

>>5915185

I love finding items with odd or hilarious names.

>>5915128

I think those moongates are intended to let you train skills.

I've been considering getting a storage house just to summon monsters in and capture in a sand bag, so I have a training spot. Thoughts? Yes? No?

I just had an awesome idea!

Someone should make a Minsc and a Boo npc. Or a Minsc and Boo npc.

Ooops, guess I summoned a <King> when reading books in Palmia, too weak to kill it and now a horde of chess pieces is wreaking havoc. Guess I'll be nuking the place now, assuming I can get to the inn. I'm not sure I can handle guards yet, but it'll be fun finding out.

>>5915246

Always read in the wilderness. There's no risk to valuable places that way. Also, never read in your home. Or read in an empty storage house specifically for this purpose if you want to be able to fight whatever you might summon.

Oh, boy. I hope my ball spell goes off without a hitch, or it's death time.

>>5915307

Ball spell succeeded. The chaos consumed the ones near me. The ones far away exploded safely. Phew.

>>5915346
How did your pet's fair? Although I'm certain anything would be better than that many explosions, a ball of chaos spell still hurts.

>>5915368

The pets weren't in any danger, but I do need to train magic more. They've got good gear. I was just worried about their equipment breaking. One got blinded for a bit, though. Oh, and just after that room I found a cub (that bike npc added in xmas editions or later). Captured it in a ball fortunately before my pets got a chance to slaughter it (I have the Golden Knight, a <<Knight>>, and an Asura). Now I have a decent mount until I can get three blue capsule drags for the Kaneda Bike.

Mother of god. I saw this happen yesterday to someone else, and now it's happening to me. Blue bubbles and fire giants and whatever the fuck that guy is, oh shit this place is fucked.

>>5915421

Pic related.

>>5915429
>>5915421

Looks like a Minotaur Wizard.

>>5915441

Apparently it is. But to me it's just another reason to nuke the hell out of Noyel.

>>5915548
Where does that girl in Derphy get those nukes, anyways? She seems to have an endless stockpile.

Hey, Xerxes, guess what? You aren't the only one with a boss chess piece anymore. Check and mate.

>>5915693

Nice. I want a Queen to add as a mage-type to replace my stupid Asura. Yes, I'm a bit jealous. Still, the <<Knight>> is great for its ranged AI and great durability.

I just hate how heavy pets can displace you. Grats on your <<Queen>>, though!

Just nuked Palmia for the quest before I go nuke Noyel. That...was awesome.

>>5915693
>Queen Boss
>Male
I snickered.

How to see pets stats? And is there any way to control what potential and skill they raise?

Just killed my first guard. Fuck year.

Eh. Frankly, he's a little underwhelming, and he's probably going to need prevent teleport equipment as well. As far as casters go, Exile or Spiral King are probably the best choices.

>>5915959
>he's probably going to need prevent teleport equipment as well.

Just leash him. You should be able to get a prevent teleport item for him anyway. Situations like yours are why I tend to save items with special effects even if they suck otherwise.

>As far as casters go, Exile or Spiral King are probably the best choices.

Yeah, but the Spiral King is definitely not a possible pet for low-level players, and you need to gain favor with and worship Itzpalt for Exile. I haven't even maxed out favor with Opatos yet because my faith skill isn't high enough yet. And my next god is Jure anyway.

Oh...shit...The fire giant actually survived the nuke...

>>5916164
I'm going to make a wild guess and say that nukes deal fire damage.

Exile is shit. Light armor with weak evasion skills = shit survivability.

Hes also a pain to level up unless you want to spam gene engineering on him.

>>5916446

To tell the truth the giant wasn't even that bad considering he never attacked me. What's worse it that the shit tons of other monsters still survived.

>>5916563
The same could be said of every caster pet except the spiral king which is a little difficult to obtain.

>>5916563
>Exile is shit
You are a huge faggot. Give him better gear.
Mages aren't supposed to be immortal.

>>5916595
Short of possibly wearing full spirit cloth end game gear hes still too squishy.

Theres no way to "tank" for your mage pets(monsters ignore you and attack them instead), so they need good evasion and armor they are toast.

Unfortunately the exile's evasion is what, level 8?

Hey, what about liches? Seeing as liches are the spellcasting race after all. And while we're on the topic of undead, has anyone ever tried healing them?

>>5916645
Your pets don't suffer from casting penalties. You can just load him up with adamantium and two tower shields. They can apparently get burdened though.

>>5916718
They can't. If they would get to that point, they simply say "Too heavy" and won't accept the gear.

>>5916731
That's "overweight" you're thinking of. They get a speed penalty for being burdened.

>>5916718
Most mage pets are trained to light armor, so you should keep their armor light no matter what, because that's where they get their best bonuses. A good example would be to use rubynus gear for most parts using DV oriented equipment.

Ok, so I have the Kill Kill Piano, and my <<Knight>> can equip it with all of its other gear (but the weight means I can't use its extra gear slots to hold stuff). Should I go for it? The alternative is the machine gun it's had for a while. It's using the <Arbalest> so it should offset the penalty to hit. I'll test it out anyway.

And before you say it, I'm keeping my bell at the bar. I don't plan to use it, at least for now.

>>5916760
Honestly gear can pretty much far surpass the the difference made by skill. And even then awesome DV and PV can still be managed with light armor. You just need to go for Griffon Scale and give a shield to it. A shield is a massive boost depending on the total PV.

>>5916804
Protip : Evasion skill, as far as i can tell anyway, gives a % bonus to your evade % based on DV.

>>5916832
You must have missed the part where we discover that the Exile has a whopping 8 evasion.

>>5916832
>>5916843

Well, the suggestion for Griffon Scale is good. It's light, provides decent DV as well as PV, and on top of that, the Griffon Scale effect boosts the evasion skill. I say Griffon Scale is the way to go for caster pets if you can manage it.

>>5916843
Which is why the exile's evade % is not exactly high.

Not to mention grinding change material scrolls for griffon scale is rage inducing.

It took me over 150 tries with blessed change material scrolls to do it. For one item.

>>5916832
Yes, but training evasion for a pet is extremely difficult. The only time my pets ever got significant training for it were when they were surrounded by bubbles with contingency cast by a CNPC cheering.

I only had to summon a bunch of Asura type monsters and stand in front of them alone to train my evasion. I even purposely lowered my DV and PV so my armor skill could get trained.

>>5916866
Give your pet two heavy weapons and send it into the arena. That is, as long as they've still got worthwhile potential. Potential is a real bitch when trying to train pets...

Crimson is even better though, it gives the best DV and the second best PV.

>>5917045

But it isn't viable for light armor.

>>5917045
Third best PV, it's heavier, and it swaps the Evasion bonus out for Life. Check the wiki.

>>5916898
You can give them ores to sell so they will train their potential.

So, this katana is anti-BDSM?

>>5917089

Forgot my picture. Fucking captcha made me reset and forgot to put the picture in the file spot again...

>>5917078
I know that, I even did one better and threw a kitty bank at them. But you still have to wait in town for them to actually use the money, and even then, there's no guarantee they will train up skills that matter. And it still only goes up by, what, 5%?

>>5917091
>>5917089
Missionary position only, and lights off.

>>5917091
>>5917210
No lights.
No exotic positions.
For procreation only.

>>5917097
Happens pretty fast for me, just walk around, do quests, visit the vendors...

And they train skills at the same rate as players apparently, but im not sure how much it costs for them to train skills once.

The biggest problem is they train random skills.