/jp/ - Otaku Culture

You can say the same of Nasu.

>>5900354

I agree.

Nevertheless he fed the trol- i mean he fed the Otakus with otaku shit he created , becoming rich with his family.

What's the point of this thread? Take your /a/ level trolling elsewhere please.

>>5900380
Just wanted to see if I'm the only one. It seems like everybody here eats up Umineko even after all the clear signs that he doesn't know what he's doing.

Just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean I'm trolling.

ZUN is a talentless hack, he can't write good dialog, has terrible pacing and the only redeeming qualities of his plots are stolen from the work of others.
Tasogare Frontier is the only contributor of Touhou Project with any real talent.

See, I can do that too.

>>5900404
Starting a shitstorm thread on purpose is trolling. It doesn't matter if you're faking your opinion or really believe it. The retarded "discussion" this will bring only serves to shit up the board.

You are troll.

Hey, I've seen that post before

>>5900404
>>5900354
It is good because it works.

You could say the same about Twilight, except our weakness are women who love us and like to troll us nevertheless, instead of men that are hard to have sex with.

Can you be more specific? The only thing I agree with is dialog, but you can probably account that to the language barrier.

>>5900404
>>5900354
I don't give a shit to whether R07 is talented or stole from others. As long as umineko keeps me entertained, makes me laugh and cry, it alone proves he's a great writer.

ITT Citizen Kane is the only good movie and Moby Dick is the only good book.

If it's fun to read, it's a good book.

>>5900440
>makes me laugh and cry
>Umineko
No, it proves you have shit taste and you need to get out for thinking otherwise.

>>5900354
Everything that you say is true except
>dai is the only member of 07th Expansion with any real talent.
dai is not a member of 07th Expansion, Ryukishi just uses lots of his music.

Captcha: frustrared vergerfu

Romeo is a talentless hack, he can't write good dialog, has terrible pacing and the only redeeming qualities of his plots are stolen from the work of others.
Itaru Hinoue is the only member of Key with any real talent.

Shakespeare is a talentless hack, he can't write good dialog, has terrible pacing and the only redeeming qualities of his plots are stolen from the work of others.

Shakespeare is a talentless hack, he can't write good dialog, has terrible pacing and the only redeeming qualities of his plots are stolen from the work of others.
Samuel Beckett is the only playwright from the British Isles with any real talent.

>>5900455
dai is the music director
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/07th_Expansion#.E3.83.A1.E3.83.B3.E3.83.90.E3.83.BC

>>5900479
>>5900480

Bardmind.

I could write an essay about the flaws in Ryu07's writing, but I still find Umineko entertaining and unique. He does a lot of interesting things with the nature of genre, and that's something I've personally spent a lot of time studying.

He's too repetitive, he states obvious things that were implied clearly earlier, and he often spends too much time trying to get dramatic tension to last. He desperately needs a serious editor, although I doubt he will ever get one, since fame has a tendency to make people scared of touching your stuff. Just look at how JK Rowling's books ballooned in size as Harry Potter took off, and any one of them post 3 could be at least half as long.

But every writer has weaknesses. Ryu07's aren't ignorable, but his strengths outweigh his weaknesses in my opinion.

Asumu is a talentless hack, she can't write good dialog, has terrible pacing and the only redeeming qualities of her plots are stolen from the work of others.
Bern will be the only writer in Umineko with any real talent.

Ryukishi07 is very talented for a visual novel author. Of course, he would probably be a mediocre writer if he went into literature instead, but for a visual novelist, he is great.

Do remember that most of the stuff we have translated here in west is the best stuff Japan has to offer, 98% of VNs are utter crap and mostly nukige. Phenomenal VN authors like Gen Urobuchi and Renya Setoguchi are few and far between, and many of them leave the industry to write real books instead of lolipoon: if you really set your standards that high, I recommend you go read some actual books instead of bishoujo adventures.

>>5900506
I think his pacing got a lot better in EP6 but he still needs a lot of work. I have high hopes for his next series assuming he still has some ideas left.

Auaurora is a talentless hack, she can't write good dialog, has terrible pacing and the only redeeming qualities of her plots are stolen from the work of others.
Lambda is the only witch with any real talent.

This thread, I read the same arguments in posts defending the writing of Naruto, Bleach or Twilight.
Good going.

>>5900566
>implying someone having used an argument to support a retarded opinion invalidates the argument

Umineko never made me feel anything except laugh at the stupidity of some scenes.
Some part that was obviously meant to be very emotional failed to bring anything, like Maria and Ange, or Beatrice's death that should have been one of the big climax of the game but failed (except for the soundtrack).

Add to this that Umineko is pretty shallow for a novel full of meta-fiction and discourses about mystery novels, which is disappointing.

Higurashi is actually pretty good, Umineko is shit however.

>>5900614
You are trying too hard bro

u mad?

>>5900629
You are the one who seem to be, I'm just stating my opinion as one who actually read it, I have that right.

>>5900623
(past work) is pretty good, (current work) is shit however.

Never change /jp/

>>5900614
Do you find anything moving at all?

>>5900614
Ange's backstory is like Evangelion.

If you relate, it helps you, but in the end you might as well be better off not relating.

Can't lose with that.

>>5900623
>brain parasite
>preteens defeating an elite counterintelligence unit armed with guns and rocket launchers

Whatever stupid shit of that Umineko is guilty doesn't even begin to compare to what we got in Higurashi.

>>5900623
Higurashi is even worse as a VN than Umineko, the manga really improved it. The narration, art, sound design are all much better in Umineko.

I could see how the fantasy silliness could be offputting. I think it's cool.

I don't think even Ryukishi07 thinks Umineko is good, I mean, Featherine saying "people gobble up even shit as long as it has my name on it" was pretty much a dead giveaway.
He obviously tried to write something far greater than his skills allow him. Sorry bud, your attempt at "Forest with trolling loli witches XD" was pretty bad.
Even his collaboration with Key left many dissatisfied. A one-trick pony that struggles trying to go pro, and is saved only by mindless sheep gobbling up his branded shit.

I think disliking creative works is fine, but I never quite got why some people play games, read books, etc just to hate them and be loud about it. Umineko isn't grade A literature and you have to forgive it for some things in order to enjoy it, this should be clear to everyone.

It is only reasonable to note that the pacing is bad and the dialogue awkward, but why get emotional about it and invest a lot of time and emotions in denouncing Umineko? People who go on about how tewwibly howwibly awful it was just look a bit pitiful to me. I think Twilight and Days of Our Lives are shit, that's why I don't spend my life watching them and then raging about the quality on the interwebs.

>>5900659
Read Matsuribayashi again. They didn't defeat them, they just outsmarted them for a while.

Then again, Rika has some information she should not have - the whole finale is based on the arrival of Banken and her idea that Irie institution is backad up by military is baseless, so yeah.

>>5900659
>elite counterintelligence unit armed with guns and rocket launchers

>elite counterintelligence
>rocket launchers

I suspect that you're not sufficiently knowledgeable on the subject to make any value judgements concerning this particular organization in the context of realism and realistic standards.

>>5900680
Tomitake told her about the Banken.

>>5900671
First anyone who call anything he hasn't experienced shit is stupid.
You can see that it's not for you, but refrain to judge it if you never tried it.

Personally I find Umineko mediocre, but unfortunately there isn't many VNs available translated and it's not like Umineko is that shitty, it's playable.

And excuse me for the faggotry, but I like /jp/ and unfortunately, once again, you need to be into Umineko these days to get like half of the threads.
So I do post in theory threads about it, pretty much because there isn't much to talk about in /jp/.
But do I like it more than Symphonic Rain I finished recently for example? Hell no.

>>5900663
Why would you spend 60+ hours reading something you think is shit?

>>5900703
For the same reason he made this thread: because he's stupid.
and mad

>>5900663
No one here is saying that Ryuukishi is the Shakespeare of VNs or anything like that. However, I think it's worth considering that when you match him up against the kinds of "authors" who are popular in the USA today (Stephanie Meyer, that kid whose parents published Eragon for him), he compares very favorably.

>>5900703
Once I begin a story I have to end it, it's just a personal thing. Also, how could I have known I wouldn't like it except by reading it?
Saying it's shit without actually reading it would be pretty tasteless trolling.

>>5900703
For example because you had hopes for this at the beginning.
And being a mystery, you feel obligated to see the end, even if the journey can be very painful.
And it's not like /jp/ is full of busy people.

>>5900724
Why do you feel the need to announce your feelings about it if you think it's shit? Are you autistic or something?

>>5900723
I don't think he does.
He made a mystery about a maid with DID who kill people by crossdressing for fuck's sake.

>>5900748
This is /jp/ you know.
If you want to have a circlejerk where everyone is happy and have the same opinion as you, go to animesuki

>>5900748
Why do you feel the need to respond to people who think it's shit? Are you so offended that people don't like what you like that you have to resort to horrible memes?

>>5900787
Criticising a piece is one thing, bawwwwing and raging about it is another. T

>>5900828
He didn't bawwww, he just called it shit.
The fact that you have to be so defensive prove that there is some truth in his statement though.

There's noting wrong with different opinions. There's just no need to present that opinion in such an abrasive way and to state it like it's an absolute fact. This goes for both sides.

>this thread

I'm not reading this thread but, did people actually defend the story of Umineko?

oh wow the poeple on /jp/ are so bored they even have to resort to read shit they hate just so they can fill their empty lives

>>5900913
Yeah, you should quickly get out of here before you get infected, gamefaqs and animesuki are better choices.

>>5900872
Thread closed.

Since this is what OP wants to hear and other people won't say it: I think Ryukishi07 is a great writer, perhaps the best writer whose works I've read.

You say he can't write good dialogue and his pacing is terrible, yet lots of people read it and enjoy it.
Umineko was one of the few works I just kept reading. If the pacing is too slow, it gets boring and I read slowly, and if it continues for too long, it leads to stalling (and I've stalled plenty of classics, including Sharin no Kuni and Tsukihime, which I still have to finish, and I even stalled the start of Clannad's after story for a long time), but Umineko kept me on the edge of my seat every time I read it. Although I can't say the same about all of Higurashi, I could read that just fine without stalling it.

Ryukishi07 has a great writing style that sucks anyone who reads his stories seriously into the story. Especially when it comes to suspense: is there anybody here who didn't feel at least a bit scared during Higurashi's Onikakushi arc? Didn't you feel trolled at the end of Umineko ep3?

And criticizing his story ideas in general is simply ridiculous. Sure, brain parasites and DID meido. But he managed to repeat the same clichéd murder mystery story six times in a row so far, yet he made it interesting every single time. His stories have so much interesting content, that people have written countless threads and posts discussing it - if it really were a story with no interesting ideas, there would be practically no discussion.

(field too long. Continued in next post)

(continued from previous post)

All of you haters, you hate Umineko only because it's popular. Back when it wasn't this popular /jp/ was full of praise for this masterpiece. You have all read and enjoy this, but can't stand the idea of enjoying something a commoner has enjoyed.

Face it. Ryukishi07 is one of the best VN writers out there, and his unique way of making VNs is so good people resort to making threads like this to have an opinion that's contrary to what most people agree on.

Ryukishi07 is a great writer and a great source of inspiration to me. >>5900506, please write this essay about Ryukishi07's flaws. If you could improve over Ryukishi07's writing, the result would be amazing.

>>5901432
>>5901437
You just have shit standards.

>>5901450
You're on /jp/

You're in no place to tell anyone they have shit standards

>>5901480
I can say to someone who say something like "perhaps the best writer whose works I've read." that he has shit standards.
Even if it's /jp/.

>>5901432
>>5901437
Umineko has a 73 on average in EGS, aka the biggest site for reviews and ratings of VNs in Japan, that's pretty mediocre.
So why doesn't Japan think it's the best shit ever, because it's popular?

>>5901527
Funny how ratings are bullshit when contradicting /jp/'s arguments, yet clear evidence when supporting /jp/'s arguments.

>>5901686
This is the median, what was used for the average above was most the mean value obviously.
Learn how erogamescape works

>>5901686
http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/brand.php?brand=1228

>>5900354
try harder

>>5901527
We're talking about people who rated Family Project a 90 and rated the all-ages version of MLA a full 3 points higher than the original version because they removed a memorable scene from it. These are probably the kind of people who'd detract a whole ton of points because the graphics aren't fancy enough.

>>5901686
Only going along with his popularity bullshit.

Based on his posts, Umineko is a masterpiece and the only reason some people dislike it here is due to its popularity.
So I'm asking him, why isn't Umineko appreciated as a masterpiece in Japan, due to its popularity?
But even some other very popular VNs like Clannad, FSN or Ever17 are very high in EGS.
So why?

>>5901737
Don't talk shit about Family Project, faggot.
It's great.

And MLA all ages version is higher because it has some extra scenes and a lot more scenes with Takeru voiced, including an awesome new scene with an insert song.

I'll take the top of EGS over the one of vnds any day.

>>5901737
>These are probably the kind of people who'd detract a whole ton of points because the graphics aren't fancy enough.

Higurashi is very high you know.

>>5900623
>>5900623
>>5900623
>>5900623
>>5900623
>>5900623

There's haters in the Japanese community as well. If you look at the graph, you'll notice a slight decrease in average score and a large increase in standard deviation. The people who like Umineko generally like it better than Higurashi.

There's retards like this bringing the score down:
>0点 うみねこのなく頃に散 Episode5 End of the Golden Witch(非18禁)
>OPまでもがリア厨臭くなり、良い部分はBGMだけとなってしまった。EP4まで
の「まだまだ前半！」「きっと後半から面白くなる！」という信者の擁護
と期待を完膚なきまでに破壊する、エリカウザすぎてプレイ自体が苦痛編
。あまりのウザさにとうとうSKIPを使った。 → 長文感想(64)(ネタバレ注意)

>0点 うみねこのなく頃に散 Episode6 Dawn Of The Golden witch(非18禁)
>竜騎士信者ですら「あれ？　うみねこってクソゲーじゃね？」と（今更
ながら）気付き始めた。信者の資質が試される、バトラの一人相撲横綱編。
→ 長文感想(10)

>>5901852
These 2 reviewers didn't bring the score down because they are haters though, only because they were disappointed by it.
Their comments seem pretty in tune with the average response to what Umineko has become.

>>5901852
After ep6, there is no way you can still defend Umineko.
Ripping off Tsukihime Kohaku route does not classify you as a creative and good writer.
Misusing DID in your mystery is equally as bad.

>>5902051
Kohaku didn't invent this sort of story.

R07 did rip off Forest shamelessly though.

>>5902031
>the average response to what Umineko has become

Translation: my response to what Umineko has become.

>>5902078
No, the average.
There is a reason why episode 6 has a 69.

>>5902089
It's not the average. There is a decently sized group of very vocal haters. They are not representative of the entirety of Umineko fandom.

>>5902089
It's not the average. There is a decently sized group of very vocal haters. They are not representative of the entirety of Umineko fandom.

>>5902095
Yeah of course, anyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you is a "vocal hater".
Must be nice living in delusional land

>>5900373
Haha I get it you were going to say "fed the trolls" weren't you rofl good one

I noticed because it's popular saying lol... sneakky

>>5902098
You don't consider yourself a vocal hater? I'm not delusional, I know some people don't like the direction Umineko has taken and that's okay. They are not the majority like they would have themselves believe, however.

>>5902109
If you look at the reviews, you will see that the majority find Umineko "average", which is why the mean value (which is taken without the 0 and troll ratings) navigates in the mid 70.

Personally I don't consider myself a vocal hater, simply because I don't hate Umineko just to be cool or whatever but and I don't go to your threads saying it's shit.

>>5902109
There were a bunch of people giving ep6 a lower score. Stop defending umineko flaws.

The only good thing about umineko is the music. I give that a solid 10/10 but the rest of umineko is just not worth it.

>>5902129
>>5902154
I won't disagree that Umineko has flaws, and people are entitled not to like it, but trying to objectively prove that something sucks due to its score on EGS is like trying to prove that Code Geass R2 is one of the best anime of all time with MAL ratings.

In the end, it's all opinions. I thoroughly enjoy Umineko -- though there are parts of it that really bother me -- and I think it is a better work than Higurashi. I can see why someone would think the opposite, and good for them. As long as people don't tell me what I should believe, they're entitled to think however they want.

Ryukishi is a genius and all the arguments against him are generally one-liners that are not properly explained. I have seen one guy with a legitimate complaint regarding his writing.

The rest are all generalizations you could apply to any writer like OP's, or "He made a maid with three personalities kill everyone"

Moses is a talentless hack, he can't write good dialog, has terrible pacing and the only redeeming qualities of his plots are stolen from the work of others.


THIS IS FUNNY BECAUSE ITS TRUE, JUST READ THE OLD TESTAMENT LOL.

>>5902051
Can an Umineko hater say anything without gratuitous hyperbole? Your graph shows what, Umineko 6 having 1% the enjoyment of episode 3? I mean I'm sure you'll say "that's not hyperbole don't kid yourself it really is 1%" but... jesus christ.

>>5902179
Being the one who initially posted about EGS, I just did to show how retarded the guy above with his wall of text was with his "IT'S POPULAR SO YOU HATE IT, IF IT WASN'T YOU WOULD ALL ADMIT IT'S A MASTERPIECE"

Like it if you want, but stop thinking that people who don't like it as much as you are "vocal haters", trolls or sheep who dislike popular things.

>>5900354
>I hate things because they are popular.

>>5902089
>There is a reason why episode 6 has a 69.

Because it's sexy?

Umineko can make me laugh at times and I must admit I did try to create some theories about it.

But it's not one of my favorite VN, not even close.
You guys seem like you either think it's the greatest masterpiece ever written or shit beyond redemption.

>>5902217
I like how my post coincided with you. Yes vocal haters are only vocal because its popular. Think about it, lets assume that Ryu is a shit writer and because of that he's not popular, do you think we'd have this thread? No we won't. The only reason we have this thread is because Ryu is popular and to feel smart and against the grain you'll see trolls poking at its flaws just to get responses.

>>5902249
That's because of how deep it is. Works that are well loved by everyone appeal to the unwashed masses.

>>5902258
Popular = more people read it = more people want to state their opinion.
It's not about them being vocal or whatever, if anything you guys who are so defensive are much more vocal.
It's not like there is an "Umineko is shit" thread every five minutes, the Umineko threads aren't even "attacked" either, you guys who love Umineko so much are the one being vocal and on the offense here.

>>5902274
>the Umineko threads aren't even "attacked" either

You should've been here months ago when Beatrice/Battler was affirmed as canon. That shit happened all the time.

>>5902213
It is an exaggeration on how shit Umineko had become after the high of ep3.

>>5902284
Shippers, I bet the great majority of the Umineko fags belong to this category.

>>5902302
As they should be. Umineko is not only a work that allows for shipping, it in fact encourages it.

Unfortunately, hardcore mysteryfags are bitter and think romance and plot are mutually exclusive.

>>5902274
That's exactly what I'm saying. "Its popular so I must denounce it" attitude.

also He made a thread attacking what we enjoy and we're the ones on the offense? Lets not play the victim game. If he had worded it like this "Umineko has a lot of flaws and the plot is a bit unoriginal, I don't think Ryukishi is that good of a writer." Very few people would jump on him. First he didn't insult anyone, second he made it clear it was his opinion. But in this case he came out with guns blazing so of course we'll answer back in kind.

>>5902302
ROMANCE IS BAD, A BIG MANLY MAN-CHILD LIKE ME NEEDS ACTION HERP.

>>5902316
Of course you are the ones on the offense, look at how you go with your holier than thou attitude, and still with this popular shit.

This is /jp/, if someone want to state his opinion he doesn't have to wear gloves and be polite.

>>5902316
But he was right.
dai is the driving force behind umineko. Without dai, umineko would be just another shitty mediocre VN.

>>5902332
Shippers are bad, never said anything about romance.

OP is a troll
trolls don't troll unpopular stuff

>>5902333
That's stupid and so very like /b/. No meaningful discussion can come from an attack, just another attack. Being a douche on the internet and having people be douches to you is your idea of fun? I'm not even holier then thou, I can very well take on a condescending tone and call you all fucking retards but I'm not. How is the holier than thou?

He made a statement aimed at being provocative, he attacked first, everything after that is a direct response to the tone he set in the OP. Don't act like a victim now that he's called out on it. What would have been fun: Having a discussion about umineko, pluses and minuses. You know what has happened here? Trolling and counter-trolling.

Umineko's popularity mostly come from the fact that it's a mystery, the reader actually have to think and create theories.
It's unique among translated VNs since it's also an ongoing series.
That's why there is so much discussions.

It's also why Umineko isn't as popular in Japan, they simply have more choices.

If episode 7 has a real answer, the discussions about Umineko will probably die down after the initial release surge.

>>5902051
I think you forgot your vertical scale numbers. Here, I fixed the graph for you.

>>5900506
I still want that essay. Are you writing it yet?

Name 5 other VNs like Umineko that are mystery, thriller, and/or psychological related in some way and are pure-plot (no "dilemmas" or choices).

Higurashi doesn't count, faggot.

>>5902446
What does that have to do with Ryukishi having talent?

>>5902446
Name five other games as shitty as Shaq-fu.
Just because something is uncommon, it isn't automatically good.

>>5902458
It shows more originality than your generic dime a dozen "date school girls and fuck them" VN, for one.

You guys are still feeding the troll?

He's just attention whoring, let him alone.

>>5902466
not having choices makes it more original how exactly?

>>5902417
It was just a bluff, he can't point out the flaws.

I like how hater-fags talk shit when all they do is complain and bitch... if umineko is so crap then don't waste your time reading and posting about it and do something else with your life aside of trolling, because you're clearly a fail and should go back to troll school

>because you're clearly a fail and should go back to troll school
Then stop replying, you fucking idiots.

OP just hates Ryukishi07 because he's popular now. I don't recall hearing such complaints back when he wasn't this popular.

>>5905870

I wonder how many actually read Higurashi

>>5902466
Uh, you know those games' focus isn't exactly plot, right?
I'm fine with R07 trying to write a "serious" plot, but then you have to also accept the fact people are going to judge it as such and not close their eyes to a lot of tropes japanese media has just because "that's how the genre works".
Next thing you'll be saying Umineko is good because it's better than Violent Semen Inferno?

I much as I think that Umineko is a textbook example of convoluted plot and that R07 really should refrain from making expositions, I've to admit: the man knows how to create an atmosphere. Look at episode one, the premise is even stupid (who is afraid of witches nowadays?) and he manages to build the tension up despite that.

>>5905954

I think he should write an horror

I'll shat bricks

>>5905870
You mean the more popular someone gets they also get more attention? Holy shit!

>>5905965
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni episode 1: Onikakushi-hen. Go read it.

But yes, I think Ryukishi should focus more on suspense stories, that's what he's really good at.

>Shippers, I bet the great majority of the Umineko fags belong to this category.
Guilty. But the last episode missed the sexual tension of the earlier episodes between Battler and Beatrice. After it got out that Beatrice just put up a facade and all the shit she had to go through i was like meh. But oh well, we got moe and cute beatrice and wedding, so alls well in the end.

Ep 7 will probably make most people FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF anyway.

>>5906098
But ep6 was much more kinky than any of the other episodes.

>>5906127
All his works are about torture, killing, mind rape and breaking. But the sex and the rape is missing. And those are important aspects if you make stories about such things, it just feels left out.

>>5906098

Bullshit, I wasn't happy. I'm on Bern's side for this one, and not just because it's Bern. I really HATE happy "let's tie up all loose ends" endings like EP6 had. That's why I'm really excited for how this next part is going to royally fuck everything up and hopefully disregard the major theme of romance that's been present in the last 2 games. Sure, it's a plot point, but the last two were ALL ABOUT IT. The games didn't even finish, they just kind of stopped whenever Erika lost her main point..."game suspended" my ass, KEEP THE MURDERS GOING!

Also, people seem to hate on Umineko because it's not great writing. They're right, but that's no reason to hate it. Nasu and Jun Maeda can't write worth a shit either, and look how popular they are. There's a difference between being good and being entertaining, and I don't think R07 has any disillusions about him being entertaining but not good.

>>5905897
I've read the question arcs, and in my opinion, it's nothing compared to Umineko. Umineko is fiercely convoluted and ridiculously over the top, but you know what? I actually adore it for that, and I wouldn't change it for anything. The question arcs for Higurashi were somewhat enthralling, but it only fully held my interest a few times. In fact, it took me until last month to fully finish the question arcs because I felt like there were problems with the pacing, and I didn't find certain plot points as interesting. In comparison, I finished the question arcs for Umineko in about a week.

>>5900354
Fuck you, he has talent.

>>5906385
He's a talented hack!

>>5906180
>The games didn't even finish, they just kind of stopped whenever Erika lost her main point
In chess you don't have to play and play to the endgame if you can checkmate (or win a substantial enough advantage for your opponent to resign) sooner, you know.

>>5902446
On the top of my head:
Tsui no Sora
Tsukutori
Kara no Shoujo
Omega no Shikai
Cartaga
Kusari
Kizuato
Shizuku
Hateshinaku aoi kono sora no shitade
Atori no Sora to Shinchuu no Tsuki
Rasen Kairou
Kusari-hime
Forest

Bump.

>>5900417
Opinions != trolling

You retard.

FFS why is this thread still alive.

Also I'm aware I just bumped it.

>>5908438
No, but creating a new thread to state said opinions in the most offensive way possible is trolling.

>>5900506
Still waiting for the essay.

>>5908451
STATING AN OPINION ON A FREE ANONYMOUS BOARD IS TROLLING

Last time I looked, /jp/ wasn't Umineko - General, despite the appearance.
Anyone can state whatever they fucking want.

Your troll games are weak, Bern is not amused. The rest of you are weak, that does not amuse her either

>the only redeeming qualities of his plots are stolen from the work of others.

I hear this a lot, what do people think Umineko steals from?

Just posed up about joji and E7 on the official page

>>5908460
Arguing your opinion couldn't be more different from saying an author is shit with no backup. Don't cry because you were called out on it.

>>5900671
A sane voice on /jp/!

>>5908483
A story who is full of meta-fiction stuffs everywhere and where the line between reality and fantasy blurs more and more with time.
A "battle" between a witch who weave a tale full of fantasy and a man who also take the role of "narrator".
This man who keep denying all this fantasy as illusion despite being in the middle of it.
This "witch" is actually a lonely young woman who grew up a witch personality within herself to escape from reality.
Another little girl who has a pretty crappy life also create a fantasy character within herself, a being who has a lot of fantasy friends.

In your opinion, what game am I talking about?

>>5908516
Touhou

I had an awesome time reading every episode of Umineko.
Therefore, Umineko is a great VN.

>>5908572
If you ask the million fangirls who love Twilight if they had a good time reading it, they will probably tell you they enjoyed every second of it.
Therefore Twilight is a godlike novel.
Nothing can beat this logic.

>>5908583
I see nothing wrong with that. Everything that became popular succeeded its goal and is good for that reason. But I will leave you all to your friendly opinion battle.

>>5908583
Umineko type answer: if everyone accepts a lie it becomes the truth. If everyone in the world thinks Twilight is the best book ever, guess what, it becomes the best book ever.

>>5908659
Everything ever is liked by someone.
You will have people who like eating shit, people who like cutting themselves, people who like drinking piss, people who think Shia LaBeouf is a good actor, etc...

Judging the inherent quality of something based on your personal enjoyment, seems like a good idea maybe but the world doesn't work like this.
Standards exist, criteria exist, this is why things like critics, excellency prizes or simple recommendations in papers exist.

If I defend Umineko then Umineko fans will support my post. Similarly, if I attack Umineko then the Umineko haters will support my post.
Here's the deal, Umineko episodes 1-5 were pretty good on average. I will agree that 6 was horrible. But, overall the series is not bad.
Anyways, you can not argue opinions. Anyone doing so is wasting their time. Now, the haters are the kings of wasting their time. Why convince someone to think like you about something like a visual novel? Pointless... Stop trolling haters and fans you need to stop feeding the trolls.

>>5908734
If you read the thread, the only real hater was the OP, and a bunch of obvious troll.
Then you have people who think Umineko has some obvious flaws but is still average to good.
And a bunch of obesessed fans who can't take any criticism.

>>5908755
The OP is also a troll... almost all of the haters are. There number of people who thought it was good but also had flaws can be counted on one hand.

>>5908734
but OF COURSE we will stop right now Umineko-Authority-sama i shall now obey your word and stop having different opinion

>>5908678
When the number of people who like eating shit outnumbers the number of people who don't the norm will change. This is how the world works.

>>5908774
So me thinking that Umineko is really really really average and turning to shit constitute me as a troll?

What kind of logic is this?

>>5908806
I don't think that he was calling you a troll. More specifically, he was referring to the OP and the haters who look for Umineko threads just to say "Umineko is shit! Stop reading it!"

I'm glad Ryukishi07 cleared up the fact that Kanon is not, in fact, a duck.

>>5909231
Say it red.

>>5909240
>in

>>5909231
But even though it says he's not furniture or a duck there he is still constantly called furniture in later episodes, even 6. So if the "human" part wasn't true, how can you say he isn't a duck?

>>5909240
>>5909262
UUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuooooOOOOOOOOO

IT'S USELESS, IT'S ALL USELESS

KANON IS A DUCK

You're damn right, OP.

>>5909354
Don't stop thinking, Battler!

THINK
A duck has wings, Kanon doesn't

>>5909396
Hempel's Raven?!
Impressive move, milady.

>this thread

>>5909413
R07:
That's right. According to Hempel's Raven, all birds have wings, therefore, anything that doesn't have wings is not a bird. A duck is a bird, therefore, it must have wings. And since Kanon doesn't have wings, it can be said that he is not a duck.

>>5909442
But what if his wings were cut off!?

>>5909442
But what if he floats like a duck.

Is he a duck then?

>>5909486
No, that would mean that he's a witch.

>>5909486
He has no wings, therefore, he can't be a duck

>>5909483
>>>/rs/Kanon_is_not_a_duck.

How is it possible to find coconuts during spring in medieval England?

>>5909500
Gentlemen, I believe we have solved Umineko.

Cast all of the cast into the sea. If they swim, they're witches, and thus we have proven the existence of witches.

If all of them drown, then there is no witch, and we have denied the existence of witches.

The seagulls will be the judges.

They're carried by swallows.

Disgusted sage.

>>5909240

>>5909529

But that's impossible! A two-ounce bird cannot carry a one pound coconut!

>>5909511
What? Are you saying that a wingless Moa wasn't a bird?

It was surely a bird.

>>5909553
What if it was an African Swallow?

It could carry it!

>>5909580

And what would an African swallow be doing up here?

Umineko fake screens need to be made of Monty Python jokes...and Reese's Puff's Cereal.

A duck you say?

*goes to find largest scales*

>>5909595
Sorry, I prefer original jokes over recycled jokes. It stops being funny after the fifth time or so.

>>5909565
Show me this Moa that has no wings. You can't, it doesn't exist in the world, therefore, all birds have wings

>>5909606
>It stops being funny
>Monty Python

This is a lie.

>>5909630
It doesn't exist because it was hunted to extinction.

>>5909638
in other words, all birds that exists have wings

>>5909654
But we don't know all the birds that actually exist. A species without wings could conceivably exist in numerous places in the world.

>>5909654

Well, Kanon being a duck would explain everything."piece-Erika" was hungry because of the time she had spent searching, after all.
Also, Jessica being a zoophilian. After all, she is not supposed to be interrested in any "human" if you put Kanon out.

>>5909667
Tch...Devil's Proof...

>>5909538

Duck ending confirmed. It all fits: Only a duck could slip through the crack of a door with a chain lock, and only a duck would be small enough to mask its own presence. Kinzo obviously brought the duck to the island to play pranks on his family and Jessica fell in love with it.

On a less moronic note, I never heard anyone talk about the last puzzle from Maria's puzzle book in ep. 6. Was it just more Shkanon fodder? I mean, the whole 5 rocks, 3 cups thing, with one cup with 1 rock, one with 2 rocks, and one with 3 rocks. I believe the solution was put one rock in the first cup, and two each in the others. Put the first cup in one of the other cups and it technically is holding 3 rocks (And another cup). That means you could also do the puzzle with three cups and three rocks, and I took that as "hurr get it? 3 cups = 1. Shkanontrice"

So, we went from a debate over whether Umineko is shit or not to Kanon being a duck?

>>5910337
A logical step to make, is it not?

Waiting for episode 7 to judge Umineko in its entirety.
Right now it's all build up, the climax will make or break it

>>5911325
How about you wait until ep8? If Higurashi is a good indication, 7 will reveal the most important things (culprit, direct motive), while 8 will reveal all the relevant details (how things came to be).

>>5911547
No need, Umineko is a mystery, you just need the answer.
After, all the other thing are just aesthetic, R07 will probably try to make a bawwwwwwwsome story about the culprit but I honestly don't care about this.
The answer will make or break Umineko for me.

>>5911564
They already revealed the culprit.
The justification behind it is what will make or break Umineko.

If Crazy Meido with DID did it is true Umineko will be headed straight to the garbage bin.

>>5911564
>No need, Umineko is a mystery, you just need the answer.
>After, all the other thing are just aesthetic, R07 will probably try to make a bawwwwwwwsome story about the culprit but I honestly don't care about this.
...wow. I honestly don't know what to say to this. Seriously...if you think Umineko is only about the answer...I think you've been totally missing the point all this time.

Why would Ryukishi07 write such a complicated story, especially with the huge meta-world and 1998 parts in it, if it's only a simple puzzle to make the player find the culprit?

I think I finally understand why so many people dislike Umineko now. To ignore the entire story and view it merely as a detective puzzle, I can't imagine how that would be enjoyable. You will hate the ending. Regardless of whether Shkanontrice is true or not, the answer will not be spectacular enough to satisfy those who have read everything only for the murder mystery part of it.

I read Umineko
For the closed rooms

>>5912075
I didn't originally read Umineko only for the mystery.
The problem is that I couldn't see anything that could make me care about the other parts of the story.
So yeah, now the mystery is the last deal breaker for me.

I read Umineko for the trolling.

>>5912894
So am i.
And in hopes of some cute Bernkastel.

Bernkastel end, you heard it here first.

>>5912910
You mean, 'Bernkastel dies end', right?

>>5912931
I believe you typoed. Perhaps you meant to post "Bernkastel redeemed end"?

>>5912966
I want a 34 HAPPY END, but that means that Bern gets a happy end too.

Hopefully she'll notice that Battler's gone through the same ordeal she has and lust after his cock like every other sane female in the series. (which are surprisingly few)

>>5912984
Perfect end.

>>5912966
More like "Fuck this i'm outta here. Hello new WTC" end

>>5912966
She is beyond redemption. She wants a cruel and bloody ending, and that's exactly what she'll be getting.

>>5913028
Even Bernkastel has some good in her, but without love, it cannot be seen.

...What's WTC?

>>5913028

That's what I want too. Only the best for her.

>>5913051
No she doesn't. She is evil and will be destroyed in the same cruel and bloody manner she likes to see others being destroyed in.

WTC = When They Cry

>>5913075
Must you show up in every thread that mentions mai wa- uh, Bernkastel?

macfag who's never downloaded one of these before. what do?

>>5913105
Just watch. Battler will add her to his harem in the end.
He already got Beatrice, Virgilia, Maria, the sisters, the bunnies, Kinzo and Ange. 34 is about to follow and once she is Bern will come close behind.

That Dlanor's Spanish Inquisition one is pretty unexpectedly awesome.

>>5913117
Download the Mac version of ONScripter and put it in the Umineko English folder, then run that.

>>5913141
Nobody expects Dlanor's Spanish Inquisition.

>>5913117
Run onscripter. If you still have problems macfag prime can help you.

>>5913105
You. Love. Get some.

>>5912075
... I just realised AuAu is one of the people who only care about the truth instead of the story, which is probably what she represents. AuAu is the annoying theoryfag who criticises everyone who doesn't agree with them for "not thinking", and are convinced they're better than everyone else because they're "right".

She's not Ryu's self-insert, she's his freaking enemy.

>>5913191
I have love, just not for Bernkastel, as Bernkastel doesn't have love.

Even Erika has love, yet Bernkastel remains so heartless...

>>5913217
You're retarded.

>>5913232
On the contrary, I think he might've just gotten that right.

How come Shkanontricefags are mostly the ones who baselessly ad hominem people?

Sigmund.jpg

>>5913313
Why the fuck do you think he is a ShKanontrice fag?
Do you have psychic powers?

>>5913318
Because he is accused of being Au Au which enrages him, causing him to call the not-really-an-opposition retarded.

Just by existence of 50+ threads with this samefag's behavioral pattern, this level of guess is possibe for Anonymous

>>5913362
>Just by existence of 50+ threads with this samefag's behavioral pattern, this level of guess is possibe for Anonymous

I lol'd.

>>5913313
That's why you're retarded. You think that she talks only about shkannon.

>>5913134
>Virgilia, Maria, the sisters, the bunnies, Kinzo and Ange

>>5913141
>>5913141

>>5913687

>>5913703
I couldn't make them red, my paint-fu is weak

>>5913703

Noooo, what you did to them!!

>>5913703
>banging on the door
THIS IS THE INQUISITION!!
SURRENDER YOURSELVES, THERE IS NO ESCAPE!!

>>5913687
>>5913703
>>5913856