/jp/ - Otaku Culture

illegal. get out.

I bet you'll lose interest after a week or so.
I'm going to enjoy seeing you fail.
So you better prove me wrong, okay?

If Reimu's great great great great [...] grandmother isn't in this, something is wrong.

keep it in one thread, please.

>>5847232
The original thread has been overrun.

>>5847224
Don't worry, I'm one to see things through, even if I have to work overtime, just like I did for my previous project.

I've already got most of the plot down. Anyone want to join in on the project? Artists, musicians, and programmers are especially welcome.

>>5847258
Moko-tan i hope you remember that before byakuren came that these guys were just dirty Youkai so try to make them look uncivilized.

Missed the new thread link.
Repostan:
If you need a programmer I can help.
I've been wasting some time on my own (Touhou based) platformer, but it has gotten nowhere and will probably stay like that.
I was using Ruby gosu, but I think C++ would be better for something full of stuff like danmaku. Are you actually competent at programming? Your comments about doing it in Java leave some doubts in my mind... Java is the worst choice for this project. I'm not really versed in game making, but I know some stuff.
Please set up a page or email, something, so we can talk later if you want; this thread won't be here forever.

>>5847258
>just like I did for my previous project.
[citation needed]

>>5847271
Nonsense. Shou was an upstanding member of youkai society even before Byakuren came.

>>5847178
shitty idea

This is going to suck. Get ready to face the Byakuren and UFO fans hate along with the MS fans hate.

You are touching the original plot instead of making whole new incident, that's really bad.

>>5847299

Fanfiction shit in video game form. I hope you all die of cancer before this project is finished.

>>5847306
Blacktewi does not apply here actually.

>>5847310

>Fanfiction

I'm sure everyone will like it better if we pretend to be japanese and call it a 'doujin'.

So have you got any people on your staff to ensure that the plotline you're going to use is actually good?

>>5847319
Nope, she does. Sorry.

>>5847281
Thank you, we'd love your aid.

The irc channel and http://www.livestream.com/twilightspark are two places for real-time discussion. Of course, instant messaging is also always available. My IM is mikosanae.

>>5847283
Touhou Battle Royale Volumes 3-6. I promised the volumes to be done on a weekly basis, and did so.

>>5847178
C++ programmer here. I might help you once you get the source code started.

>>5847319
>>5847327
>No
>No U

oh you guys.

Dudes, you guys really should make an original setting instead of a fan-game. Just sayin'.

>>5847306
Fanon shit.

>>5847321
No one has any objection to doujin games, only if you ride on the fame on an existing franchise and make up your own stupid story.

>>5847344
They aren't capable of making an original setting that isn't derivative as fuck. Just leave them be.

>>5847352
You really shouldn't look down on people who make original content like that. I said that because even though I think that making a /jp/ danmaku is a good idea, touching TH is definitely going to cause an uproar and render all the effort in the game moot.

Just my opinion, though.

>>5847333
Your assistance would also be most appreciated! The more people one the team, the better the prospective of the project will be!

>>5847178
Got AIM or MSN? Where can I contact you?

I'm interested in composing some music, but not too sure if I can invest too much time. How do I join?

>>5847363
Girls flying around shooting each other has been done to fucking death. Just be honest with yourself and make it a Touhou game from the start.

Since you're working on CANON plot, I have some questions to test your Touhou knowledge. If there is no canon answer to the question, if it is related to the game, tell me how the INTERPRETATION in the game will be like.

1. When did Byakuren live?
2. Where did she live?
3. Who is Myouren?
4. What is Byakuren's motive to help youkai?
5. When did Ichirin and Unzan become partners.
6. Can Ichirin control lifeforms other than Unzan? If yes, does/did she do so?
7. What was Ichirin like before she met Byakuren?
8. What was Shou like before she met Byakuren?
9. What was Murasa like before she met Byakuren?
10. What is Nazrin's role and when did she "join the party"?
11. Why and when did who start to have a temple dedicated to Bishamonten?
12. Why was Byakuren sealed and by whom?
13. When she was sealed, what happened to the others?
14. In which order did all UFO characters first meet Byakuren? (excl. herself)
15. What's the relationship between Murasa and Nue?

>>5847178
Is there any website (besides /jp/) for organizing things like a wiki? I've made this thread on bun:
http://bunbunmaru.com/kareha/projects/kareha.pl/1280775383/l50

>>5847380
Try these. These folks are consolidating all the touhou fangame devs.
1. toufoufan.net
2. eastgap.co.cc

>>5847378
You should put a time limit to answer those, because it's rather easy if you search for some minutes.

>>5847378
ufufu~ that's easy

>>5847378
Time to break out the google.

>>5847394
Even if they do so, it means that they at least bothered to deal with the subject, right?

>>5847378
Lovers!

>>5847378
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vai%C5%9Brava%E1%B9%87a

>>5847374
Just come on the irc or the chat or email up for more info!

>>5847371
mikosanae
>>5847378
1. Over a thousand years ago
2. Myouren Temple
3. Brother. Oniichan~
4. Greed for eternal youth, but over time came to truly value them
5. Don't know, probably since birth due to species
6. Other nyuudo, maybe but that wouldn't be in the game
7. Someone loyal who wanted a cool big sis to follow
8. Honest, valorous Tiger youkai
9. Shipwreck ghost girl, lonely, ect
10. Cheese minigame/Bishamon's assistant.
11. Leader of Heavenly King Quad of Buddhism, which was Byakuren's faith. She wanted his favor.
12. What is a miserable piles of secret
13. Trapped underground until freed by Orin's POWER GEYSER!
14. This seems up to interpretation. Still deciding, but interpret Murasa's encounter as the last one, as by then Byakuren immediately extended her hand to the youkai.
15. Murasa's last name is that of someone who sealed a nue in a myth. Their actual relationship however is vague.


However, keep in mind that I don't enforce my own version of a canon. I enjoy moe 4koma and grimdark Chado powerlevel doujins equally. I'll alter things to fit the atmosphere of the eventual work, which will depend on gameplay, dialogue, music, ect.

>>5847378
They obviously can't respond to that without spending at least a whole hour on the internet searching about it. IF this project move to something more than an idea it will suck.

>>5847393
Tell me more about said devs.

>>5847178

Direct X? Open GL? It would be easier to do with Visual C++ or C#/XNA. C++ and Direct X requires lots of years of experience, just creating the device is a pain in the ass. Open GL is maybe the better option with standar or visual C++. Using XNA is already a pain in the ass, so prepare to work very very hard.

Only few people in the world can achieve that, most of them professional programmers who went to the university, but feel free to give it a try.

>>5847541
>implying programmers learn anything worthwhile at university
lol

>>5847560
>Implying they don't

>>5847494
Ok, not so bad.
Just two corrections.

Myouren is her YOUNGER brother.
At least Shou doesn't seem to have been sealed:
>When Byakuren was sealed away, she was completely focused on carrying out her duties as Bishamonten.
>She kept the fact that she was a youkai a secret from humans.
>She had her regrets about this, but it would have been self-destructive to reveal her true identity.

>>5847541

I'd use OpenGL, and probably SDL for things like audio output.

I've written games using a canvas renderer before in another language, so it's probably not terribly different once I write all the code to do 2d output.

>>5847560
>>5847575
Developers learn if and only if they want to learn.

A fellow engineer is now driving taxis because he didn't do anything in his entire career.

By the way, as you are not going to sell it (unless ZUN gives you the permisson to do so), don't feel sad for making a little bit of... "cheating". Nobody is going to say anything while the final result is good enough.

>>5847614
You are wrong because there isn't a license for Touhou so he can sell it.

>>5847614
>unless ZUN gives you the permisson to do so
I'm pretty sure that one of the reasons Touhou is so popular is because ZUN lets anyone do whatever they please with it. Countless Touhou doujin games and material in general are sold at every Reitaisai/Comiket/whatever every month, and I doubt every single one of their makers has contacted ZUN about it.

>>5847597

On second thought, I may use a library, not sure. I'll look into it more during the planning phase.

>>5847582
Ok, thanks for the heads up!

>>5847614
Well, I don't, but why would ZUN's permission be needed for a doujin game? When ZUN actually goes out of the way to explicitly give permission to something, that's when they become canon, like with Twilight Frontier's fighting games or official manga.

>>5847677

License or not, it's still ZUN's Intelectual Property, so I'm still bound

I'm probably going to do all original content provided the artists are good enough. I may borrow someone's bullet sprites with permission, but I don't know yet.

>>5847582
>At least Shou doesn't seem to have been sealed:

This is directly contradicted in one of the endings, so maybe ZUN changed his mind and forgot to correct whichever he wrote first.

Suggestion: take a look at Kenta Cho's BulletML. I don't know how it is performance wise though.

>>5847677
There's a list of rules he made for people making derivative works. It's more or less a license. I forget where I saw a translated version.

>>5847680
>Touhou anime fucking when?

>>5847768
Can you share tthe list?

>>5847614
Is that you Brutal Touhou kun?

>>5847785
No

>>5847743
I've only read every ending once (never a bad end) and may have forgotten some stuff.
Which ending is it? No, what does it say in the ending AND who's is it?

>>5847785
>When they die, they explode in a shower of blood!
I laughed hard during that thread.

>action, farce

game's plot summed up right here

>>5847799
Oh I knew it!

How is your fake C++/OpenGL danmaku engine that you made in five days coming along?
Has it reached super pre-alpha stages, or open beta, or beta 2.0?

You should really help these guys out and show them how to do it in Game Maker so that they'll never be taken seriously ever again.

>>5847831
Luckily I screenshat all the endings.

>>5847677
there is a "fair-use" policy. if Zun doesn't like what he is seeing, he can issue a C&D. any conventions may ban them from selling future works.

i doubt this little game will get very far. why start a project when you have little to no experience? you should work on something smaller..

>>5847781
Found it. It's long.

Q: I want to make derivative work based on the Touhou series's characters and settings.
A: The copyright of the Touhou series, including its characters, content, quotes, and music belong
to my circle. That said, this series is supported by many doujin creators. (Thank you)

For the usual activities in doujin (uploading material on a homepage, selling them in a convention
or in a shop at your own expense), or doujin material (derivative comics, stories,
games, CGs, goods, cosplay), you do not need to notify me or request my permission. The
copyright of derivative works belong to the creators of said derivatives. If there is trouble
regarding the derivatives of my work, I cannot take responsibility.

- - - - MORE - - - -

>>5847874
To avoid trouble, please satisfy the following conditions.

1. Using game data other than screenshots is forbidden.
2. If you need data other than screenshots, please make them yourself.
3. Content that includes inflammatory material towards us or other copyright owners is forbidden.
4. If possible, please attribute us. (recommended)
5. If possible, please include our contact information in the colophon. (recommended)
6. Please do not mistake the names of the games or the characters.
7. Do not reproduce or reprint ending material, including the text.
8. For the commercial production of derivative material, or the mass circulation of derivative
material outside of doujin shops, you must seek my permission.
To publish on commercial magazines and books, you must notify me.
(You do not need to do so for magazines that describe doujin and derivatives.)
9. If you did not satisfy the above conditions but received my permission, please make clear that
you have received my permission.

Otherwise, decisions like for sale or for free, how many to print, the price to sell them at, adult
only or not, original settings or not, is entirely free for you to choose.
However, if I see material that I decide to not fulfil the above conditions, I have the right to
stop its distribution.

>>5847768
Is this it
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Touhou_Wiki:Copyrights
>>5847861
Awesome. Her not being underground is mentioned in multiple profiles, so I assume that trumps this.

I love Brutal Touhou guy in ways that are probably illegal in most first world countries.

>>5847846
I don't want to make a danmaku fan game of another danmaku game. I want to be more original than that.

>>5847887
Well, he most assuredly is in your preferred age range.

>>5847904
You can add danmaku to any genre and become original.

Danmaku scorched earth. Danmaku 3d platformer. Danmaku danmaku simulation.

>>5847886
Yeah I'd go with her profile and others over a throwaway line in one ending. Just thought I'd mention it as a bit of trivia.

>>5847916
Danmaku realistic driving simulation. Sounds good, I'll take note of it.

>>5847868

One of the first things I wrote to learn a certain language is now a fairly successful project. There's no reason why I should set my standards low when I'm already a fast learner.

>>5847861
Hye hey hey!
1. Don't post endings.
2. Rescaling is okay, but please preserve the images' aspect ratio.
3. Don't make image content edits that are indistinguishable from the
original images.
This includes things like changing the spell card names, recoloring the
images, or add extra bullets that weren't originally there.

>>5847916
Danmaku H-game

You know one thing I've always been disappointed about with Touhou artists is that there isn't any danmaku sex.

>>5847939
Hi ZUN, how are you?

>>5847929
That would be fucking awesome. Using all of your mirrors and windows, can you dodge the danmaku coming from all sides?! Are you capable of trusting the heart of the danmaku, and ramping your way to the boss with nothing under your tires but bullets?

>>5847939
Oh god I've broken my contract with ZUN

>>5847939
>>>/rs/touhou+endings

This whole project is a gigantic troll.

>>5847776
1. Herp
2. There is an episode already, if you didn't even know it exists then you're clearly new here.
3. >>5847700
>When ZUN actually goes out of the way to explicitly give permission to something, that's when they become canon, like with Twilight Frontier's fighting games or official manga.
And I believe ZUN doesn't want an official anime.

>>5847990
>There is an episode already

And?

>>5847990
No, they become canon when ZUN is writing for them. Nothing more, nothing less.

You should feel free to ignore canon if it makes a better story, by the way. There is no honorary canon status for adhering well enugh.

>>5848009
Yes, to make any sort of storyline and dialogue would of course take liberties. I just want to make sure we don't contradict canon sources.

>>5847776
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQiemD9v7Q#t=3m0s
Close after exactly 33 seconds.

>>5847861
Ending Bird is my favorite Touhou

>>5848006
>where's my Touhou anime?
>>Here.
>you weren't supposed to do that
Huh?

>>5848009
>You should feel free to ignore canon if it makes a better story, by the way.
This. Ignore canon if it's shit.

>>5848061
You mean Aya? And you thought she didn't get into UFO..

>>5848009
>>You should feel free to ignore canon if it makes a better story, by the way. There is no honorary canon status for adhering well enugh.

So who decided to invent that rule?

>>5848078
Dude, that's not completed. That's what im talking about. Now answer me, why isn't it completed?

>>5848096
I'm not sure. I figure people came up with it around the time fan groups started forming communities around fan works so... maybe sometime in the 80s?

>>5848123
bullshit.

>>5848098
Possibly because the people making it are a doujin group who doesn't have nearly the same amount of money as any professional studio?

>>5848078
Dude, that's not completed. That's what im talking about. Now answer me, why isn't it completed?

Also, reposted to fix the reply number.

>>5848135
Wrong.

ZUN didn't let them finish it, he doesn't want a Touhou anime.

>>5848129
Why?

>>5848148
He didn't forbid it, but his rant about fear of commercialization probably hurt its sales. Since it probably cost a lot more to make than the average doujin product, the sale figures were poor relative to what they needed to sell.

Now we'll never know who stole Reimu's donation box, and Yukarin will never turn 17! ;_;

>>5848169
Yukarin stole it to pay for her 17th birthday party.

>>5848181
Yukari stole an empty donation box rather than just gap more outside-world money into Gensokyo (this is what powers the entire Gensokyo economy by the way).

>>5848186
She was young and stupid.
I don't know, stop bothering me.

>>5848169
Here's an ending for you: Suika gathers lost property and sets up a lost-and-found. Problem fuckin' solved.

>>5848148
Nope. As far as I know, he just stated that its cast of professional voice actors could lead people into thinking that was the original material, and that he doesn't want that to happen.

If he really forbid any more episodes from being released or not I don't know, but I'm sure I haven't seen any news saying that he did.

I'll volunteer for some music. But i can only do acoustic guitar stuff im afraid. No good at midi editing.

>>5848231

>>5848236
>professional voice actors
AQUA PLUS using K-On! VAs is ok?

>>5847861
If I assume that both ending and profile are true, then she continued to work as Bishamonten's disciple (the ship being the new temple) underground for the oni? No, if that were the case, they could just go right above ground again. That's not what "sealed" is.
>She kept the fact that she was a youkai a secret from humans.
Must be hard with all those humans underground!?
>it would have been self-destructive to reveal her true identity.
...

>She introduced the most honest and straightforward youkai on the mountain to Bishamonten and had the youkai gather faith in exchange.
What mountain is she from, anyway?

>>5848281
AQUA PLUS is not a professional animation studio, so I guess it is.

>>5848281
>if I assume both are true
No. They contradict. Just go with whichever one you like most.

>>5848315
Maikaze isn't either.

AQUA STYLE not Aquaplus you dipshits.

Well, have you decided how will you do your project?

By the way, how do I write in greek? Seems like I need it for my captcha.

>>5848526

What do you mean by 'do'?

>>5848526
I just hit renew every time something I can't be bothered to type comes up. Such as accents.

>>5848810
I don't mind the accents, but when the pi symbol comes up or Greek like that other guy had, I'm not bothering.

I find punctuation most annoying, because it's often hard to tell if it's a period or a comma.

>>5848657
What's your plan to convert that into reality?

>>5849139
That is a lovely Rumia picture thank you for posting it.

Rumia for stage 1 boss of this game that will never be finished. Byakuren's the person who put the unremovable ribbon on her. Make it happen.

>>5849139

Well, I think we could get one group of people to work on the story and artwork while another group works on the engine. We should finish at about the same time, if not one will need to wait for the other. After that, we start bringing over the story and art into something the engine can understand. After that, we spend a while testing, and once we're satisfied we're done.

Now, when people are actually writing the story and doing the art (including the music), we'll have an editing process set up to make sure it matches a level of quality. I'll be sure to check in to see how things are doing, but it may be good to get one person to do quality checks in that area.

Code is a bit easier, because it either works or doesn't work. The programmers will probably end up coming up with dummy content for testing purposes. More testing can come when we're actually converting the scripts over to the engine. We'll write the danmaku after both the story and engine are complete, but changes to either the code, story, or danmaku can be ongoing at that point.

As for organization, I'll probably set up a repository and wiki on Github. We can probably work on the story in the wiki and discuss things in the IRC room.

>>5849470
>story, art, engine
I'm not seeing any gameplay here.

Friendly reminder that the spellcard system did not exist 1000 years ago. You don't have to come up with pattern names.

Where's the concept art?

I just made a github repo for the project, and made some wiki pages:

http://github.com/arcanesign/Lotus-of-Edification

>>5849496
Is this a shmup? It sounds like more like an action/platformer type of game.