/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Hatsukoi- 66.2571% translated
Higurashi Daybreak - being translated
Himekishi Lilia- "My localization will be finished probably before the summer maybe not, I make no promises."
Honey Coming- Prologue 100% translated, Common route atleast 12.5% with progress being made. Yuma Shichiri's route 5% translated
Ikusa Megami Zero - New project starting up
>Imouto Ijime - 37.4% translated
>Katahane- Trial patch released
Kara no Shoujo - 100% translated, editing ongoing, may be released officially
Killer Queen - 77.7% translated 10713/13785 lines
Kizuato - 182/246 scripts translated
Lamento ~Beyond the Void~ -4%
Lamia no Baai - ~1/7th of the game translated, translator is back
Little Busters - ~60%, new patch released with Kurugaya's route
>Love Plus- Dialogue translation: 25.6%
>Majikoi- Prologue is 44% translated
M&M Enchanting Magic & Sweet Charms- 61%
Mirai no Kimi to, Subete no Uta ni - 1st pass translation, 100%, second pass 40%, then editing
>Muv Luv-Muv Luv Extra full patch and Unlimited partial patch released, Muv Luv Unlimited, fully translated, Muv Luv overall (Ex/Un/Alt) progress, 2516.22 / 5253.50 KB (47.90%) translated
>Osananajimi wa Daitouryou ~My girlfriend is the President.~ - was listed as fully translated, however because of retranslating that is going on, listed progress in now 147/170 (86.5%) translated
Pantsu wo Miseru koto, Sore ga - 2 scripts translated, C&D, continuing
Parfait ~Chocolat Second Brew~ - C&D, unknown if it will be continuing.
Popotan- still going very slow, but image editing is nearly finished
Princess Lover- 1.5%, now on TLWiki
>Princess Maker 5- 6.5% as of last week, plus progress this week
Princess Nightmare - Translator said the project is still active, but very slow, nearly 50% translated

Finally! I missed you.

Pure Pure The Story of Ears and Tails- Sachi Patch released, overall 55.87% translated, chapter 3 100% translated, tenative goal to finish translating by the end of November
>Remember11- Everything translated, 96/155 scripts edited, all tips edited
School Days- Translation at 100%, hints at talks with 0verflow on the forums
Seinarukana - Prologue translated, image editing going well
Sensei Da-isuki 2- 20%, still being worked on
Shirotsume Souwa -Episode of the Clovers- Amaterasu side project, Unknown translator, Ixrec is doing TLC
>Sono Hanabira 3 - Original translator dropped it, now will be done by the group doing 7 after 7 is completed
Sono Hanabira 5 - 100% translated, 30% edited
Sono Hanabira 7 - 4 translators working on it, 40% translated
Subarashiki Hibi - Moogy is translating it, ~3% translated
Sweet Pool- 23%
Tenshi No Inai 12-Gatsu-"status: ~translating:active~"
>Togainu No Chi- 62.30% translated
>To Heart2- 49% - "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", Tama-nee alpha patch released, Yuma's route translated
>Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side 1st Love Plus - 84.58%, partial patch out
>Tomoyo After - 5 lines translated this week
Touka Gettan: translation status: ~30% translated
Under The Moon- "Madame Yes is also still working on her own however on UtM"
Yandere- Translation - 574/7846 blocks - 7.31%
Yoakemae Yori Ruriiro Na -picked up by the guy doing Ashita no Kimi to Autame Ni, most of the first day translated
Yosuga no Sora - ongoing, may die after Sora's route is translated
>YU-NO- Total: 67581/98392 lines (68.69%) 2767.75/3995.61KB (69.27%), Prologue/Mitsuki/Ayumi/Mio routes fully translated, prologue patch released

Official work

MangaGamer:
Zaishuu The SiN - editing
Koihime Musou - Translation/editing ongoing
Da Capo: IF - editing
Da Capo II - editing
Dear Drops -picked up
Harukoi Otome - likely being picked up
Ongoing talks with a company whose bread and jam you would not want to eat
Chance they may be bringing over Kara no Shoujo, according to Kouryuu
Picked up a Circus title with gameplay
Two additional teasers (both audio) have yet to be identify, as well as possible teasers in a recent interview
Additionally, random sex romps are scheduled as well

JAST
Demonbane- Scheduled for this Summer
Jingai Makyou- Not mentioned in their panel
Nitro Royale- being translated
DraKoi- fully fan translated, image editing is finished as well, however scripts are unlikely to be released outside of an official Jast release
Yumina the Ethereal - announced, expected to be released within a year
>Sumaga- 75.8%, still being translated, unlikely to be released outside of an official Jast release
Muramasa - Chapter 2 complete, but because it is Nitro+, it is uncertain what will come from the project
Hanachirasu -Fully translated by Makoto, needs proofing, etc.

Other
HgameZ is alive again, possible releases in the future
Kisaragi no Hogyoku- English trial out, would like to get a full game released in English, and include English voice acting
Bible Black Infection- Kitty Media, Oct 26th release date
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Upcoming from active fan groups
Himawari is likely to be picked up by the team who did Sharin no Kuni
Some LiarSoft will be done by Ixrec after the Muv Luv saga
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

Best thread of the week is finally here!

>Togainu No Chi- 62.30% translated
It went up! Barely, but still.

>Tomoyo After - 5 lines translated this week
Nice to know he's working hard.

Best thread, here we go.
Can't wait to unleash my squealing girl side with Tokimeki.

>Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side 1st Love Plus - 84.58%, partial patch out
Fuck yes. time to be the girl.

How come never any idolmaster? Makes me sad.

I'm happy to see that Dote up a cat is moving every week.

Huge jump on YuNo this week, they just hit 60% last week.

>>5767397
You'll never get it.

>Rance 2 remake - 3.7%
Damnit, still stuck there?

You forgot the Fortune Arterial project.

>DraKoi- fully fan translated, image editing is finished as well, however scripts are unlikely to be released outside of an official Jast release
Daily dose of rage.

>>5767442
It's dead.

>G-Senjou no Maou- (64.83%)
Only a 14% from where it was stopped from
>>Flyable Heart - First 11200 lines done, and 2000 more lines elsewhere
More or less good progress this week, go FH translators, you're the most atcive ones
>Katahane- Trial patch release
Good news
>Majikoi- Prologue is 44% translated
>MLU translated
More good news
>>Togainu No Chi- 62.30% translated
WOW

>Air - 58%

>>5767420
People will never get Tomoyo After or FHA, but it still is in the list.

>Apathy Midnight Collection Vol. 1 - 8 of 11 arcs translated, should be done by November
I read the review for this and sounded awesome, can someone not biased give me his opinion?

How come for Majikoi they only put the percentage of the prologue instead of the percentage of the overall game?

>>5767442
> You forgot the Fortune Arterial project.

Unless there is a new project I am unaware of, I did not. I had the old project on the list for quite a while, however removed it a few months ago since it appears dead.

>>5767497
> How come for Majikoi they only put the percentage of the prologue instead of the percentage of the overall game?

They will release a prologue patch before moving pass there, the prologue though is 10,000 lines or so.

>>5767396
The little girl? Or just a girl?

>Tomoyo After - 5 lines translated this week
bittertears.png

>Subarashiki Hibi - Moogy is translating it, ~3% translated

AHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHA.

Pic related it's what I'm going to take to Moogy's face if he doesn't take the project off TLWiki and let someone else do it, since he's not going to.

Sigh. Oh well, at least G Senjou and Flyable Heart are coming along.

>can someone not biased give me his opinion?

I've heard great things, too. Seconding this request.

>Subarashiki Hibi - Moogy is translating it, ~3% translated

AHAHAHAHAAAAAHAHAHA.

Pic related it's what I'm going to take to Moogy's balls if he doesn't take the project off TLWiki and let someone else do it, since he's not going to.

Sigh. Oh well, at least G Senjou and Flyable Heart are coming along.

>>5767475
>can someone not biased give me his opinion?

I've heard great things, too. Seconding this request.

>>5767546
Since when does having a TLWiki project mean that anybody else can't work on it?

>>5767463
>go FH translators, you're the most atcive ones
Technically, they're third.

And the translation quality... not so good.

>>5767584
Since Moogy is the Godfather.

>>5767585

It's a moege. Who cares?

Clannad had a shit translation too, yet it was awesome and perfectly understandable.

>>5767584

No one will work on a translation project that has already been claimed.

>>5767620
Clannad had a better overall TL quality. There is a difference between shitty lines and incorrect TLs.

Anyone know how much of Majikoi the prologue makes up?

And YU-NO seems to be picking up speed again. Awesome.

>>5767671

Isn't Majikoi like one of the longest VNs ever?

>>5767725
No? Takajun said it's about 80,000 lines.

>>5767887

Ah. Still extremely long, then.

>>5767887
So if the prologue is 10,000 lines, and is only 44% TLd. Then the status of the project overall is what, 5.5%?

>>5767891
Yeah. It's definitely not short, but not that oppressively long either. It's an ADV too, so it's probably an accurate measure of length (aside from Takajun being totally wrong). Line count means shit for NVL games.

bump

>>5767546
Has anyone else even expressed interest in it, besides NNL's trolling?

>Concerto Note - C&D, continuing, translation at 9%, hacking is done, looking for image editor
at last 1%....

How do I get Muv-Luv to install? I downloaded the torrent and the patch, but the patch asks for a disc 2.

The torrent I used came from HongFire.

>Air - 58%
weekly dose

>>5768468

Couple people here have mentioned an interest.

>>5768591
Then they should just do it. Fuck moogy.

>>5768591
Oh, well if a couple anonymous people on an internet message board said that they wanted it translated, then...

>>5768626

I said "expressed interest in translating it", not "interest in the game".

There was plenty of interest in the game after it came out last April, but everyone who knows Japanese has already played it. It's not surprising that no one talks about it anymore.

>Gore Screaming Show- picked up by another new translator
>Little Busters - ~60%, new patch released with Kurugaya's route
>Parfait ~Chocolat Second Brew~ - C&D, unknown if it will be continuing.
>Subarashiki Hibi - Moogy is translating it, ~3% translated
>Yandere- Translation - 574/7846 blocks - 7.31%

Most depressing thread of the week is here!

>Subarashiki Hibi - Moogy is translating it, ~3% translated

This one should just be taken off the list, its been frozen for the sake of trolling.

>>5768844
I think the "Man, you know" shit, or whatever the translation was, didn't help.

>>5768844
We're getting cool things after AX though.

>>5768880

That was just one line that NNL specifically drew attention to just so they could troll Moogy.

It worked, clearly.

>>5768510

Sounds like you have the wrong version.

>>5768894
WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY COOL THINGS, MOOGY

>>5768955

No one fucking knows. He hasn't said a damn thing in months.

>>5768923

I found a 2.38 GB one and a 2.35 GB one. I downloaded the former, the latter just has a single Muv-Luv EXTRA .rar. I assume this is the right one?

>To Heart2- 49%
>Love Plus- Dialogue translation: 25.6%

Weekly dose of disappointment.

>>Tomoyo After - 5 lines translated this week
I thought this got C&D'ed to death. Would've been a merciful death for the project, it remains as an undead zombie of sorts
also
>Touka Gettan: translation status: ~30% translated
When did this project make the list? Never noticed it before.

Visitor from another board here, is there a place where you all go to get your VN fix? I know there was an IRC thing before, but I heard it was not working anymore.

>>5769600
The IRC bot is up.

>>5769625

Oh didn't know, thanks for the info. Whats the link again?

>>5769638
I believe it's #/jp/ at Rizon. Correct me if I'm wrong, /jp/

>>5769696
Wasn't there a website to check the packs online before?

>>5769714
>>5769638
http://gilheney.com/VNs/index.php?bot=[jp]VNs-English

>>5769725

Thank you, /jp/. You made a /toy/ soldier happy today.

>>5769600
And there's this site too http://kureha.no-ip.org/k1/index.php?board=5.0

>>5769600
Also, this:
http://vnddl.webs.com/list.txt

>>5769796
>>5769780

Excellent - the more, the merrier

Someone passed me this link in /v/ as well

http://erogedownload.com/

Didn't use it yet, do I have no idea if it's legit, but it seems harmless enough.

Anyway, these should suffice alongside hongfire. Thanks again, /jp/

>>5769902
It's legit. I downloaded Soul Link and HinataBokko from there

I hope for the actual Katahane game to start being translated soon.

>>Flyable Heart - First 11200 lines done, and 2000 more lines elsewhere
Sweet!

>>5770436
welcome to the botnet

>>5770512
It is. There's no percentage/line count but the first 9 scripts are translated (that's not including the scripts from the trial version).

>>5769051

I dunno, whatever version is on the FTP is the right one.

>Air - 58%
>Little Busters - ~60%
>Tomoyo After - 5 lines translated this week

Weekly dose of disappointment.

age

Still no Kimiaru troll?

Majikoi is indeed one of the longest VNs ever. Line counts mean nothing, but the script count is 3.9MB.

>>5771676
He's moved onto the Rance 2 remake.

>>5771714
That's long, but I wouldn't call it "one of the longest VNs"

>>5771746
3.9MB, not one of the longest VNs? I can count the amount of VNs the same length/longer than that on one hand: F/SN, Hello World, France Shoujo, WLO.

>>5771746
3.9MB, not one of the longest VNs? I can count the amount of VNs the same length/longer than that on one hand: F/SN, Hello World, France Shoujo, WLO, LB!EX.

>11eyes - 6 scripts translated

Since when we have a project for this?

>>5771934
since last week.

Since there's a translator who wants to TL it.

>>5771835
この世の果てで恋を唄う少女YU-NO - 4.56MB
僕と、僕らの夏 完全版 - 4.49MB
俺たちに翼はない - 4.22MB
ティンクル☆くるせいだーす - 4.08MB
そらのいろ、みずのいろ - 3.97MB
ひまわりのチャペルできみと - 3.93MB

Plus the ones you said, and I'm sure there are more.

Shit I already played it. Translator should pic another title.

>>5771971
If you count both parts of higurashi as one, that too, the same with umineko.

>>5771971
Noto's script counts are incredibly inaccurate. Oretsuba is certainly nowhere near 4.2mb, and no one knows how much unique text YU-NO has (it's nowhere near 4.5mb)

>>5772003
YU-NO has 2.91 MBs of unique text.

So yeah, now that you know nota can be off by as much as 2.5 MEGS, it's not exactly all that reliable

>>5772003
YU-NO has 1.93 MBs of unique text.

So yeah, now that you know nota can be off by as much as 2.5 MEGS, it's not exactly all that reliable

Oh well. At least someone is translating Sumaga at all, even if apparently I'm the only person in /jp/ that's waiting for it. What I just can't accept is how horribly slow it got after it was JAST'd. I'm sure it would be translated already otherwise, fuck.

>>5772022
Also to add to that, Majikoi is only 1.43 MBs if you go by nota's site. I've never played it but from what I heard, that seems very inaccurate.

>>5772056
Huh? Majikoi isn't listed on Noto's site.

so why haven't I seen any Katahane threads? does the patch only includes kurohane or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UAvIr25ZzQ

>>5772111
Couldn't get the trial installed, got some cryptic error message, both with JA language settings and AppLocale.

>>5772040

You're not the only one waiting on this.

>>5772111
That trial is only about how they go on the journey. Really short (takes about like 2 hours to complete).

I played the trial, it's really nice. Loving the stunning artwork.

bumpu

>To Heart2- 49% - "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", Tama-nee alpha patch released, Yuma's route translated

Tama-nee fuck yeah

Any of this has loli rape?

>>5772084
http://notazsite.hp.infoseek.co.jp/main/soft/index.html

>>5772113

...And?

>>5772056
Probably because file size is a shitty way to look at script length. Anything from character identifier style to encoding will have a big impact on long scripts.

From the Remember11 page

>July 25, 2010 - Day 2 Satoru editing complete. Projected end date of editing: 2nd/3rd August. Sheeta 17:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

>Demonbane- Scheduled for this Summer

Is this ever coming out?

>G-Senjou no Maou- Total:1427.85/1811.40 KB (78.83%)/ actual progress towards release 1174.40/1811.40 KB (64.83%), re-editing some stuff, was mentioned in a C&D sent out to another game
>Love Plus- Dialogue translation: 25.6%
>Remember11- Everything translated, 96/155 scripts edited, all tips edited
My week just got awesome.

Will the Love Plus translation also cover the iphone port?

>>5775489
>Summer

> Moogy (Talk | contribs) deleted "Subarashiki Hibi" (Project on indefinite hiatus. I've realized that I respect SCA自氏 too much to work on this for the time being. If I ever pick it back up, it will be with his acknowledgement and cooperation.)

Jesus Christ, there's a limit to hypocrisy.

>>5776446
Stop falling for retarded trolling.

>>5775538

There is no active hacker on the project right now. Unless you find a hacker to do it, the answer is no.

>>Demonbane- Scheduled for this Summer


WELL IT IS FUCKING SUMMER, BUT WHY DONT I SEE A DEMONBANE RELEASE ??

5777777 get for /b/

>>5776446
Ah, best thread of the week, definitely.

>>5776446
This is WAY PAST COOL.

>Daibanchou -Big Bang Age- - 93,000 / 102,000 lines translated, partial patch released
Just few weeks until final patch....

>>5776446
Hahahaha oh wow

>>5776535
>>5776536
>>5776542


Can someone enlighten me what's so funny about it?

>>5776446
gj moogy

>>5776454
It appears to be real. Maybe /jp/ finally drove Moogy to drop the project for now as someone in this thread said other people can't work unless he drops it.

>>5776552
oh u

>>5776552
At least it's easy to hack, if MG can do it...

>>5776565
I don't think the problem is hacking. It's translation.

>>5776547
It mainly confims, what was expected: that Moogy is Trollus Mojorus Vulgaris.
All in all, it is so pathetic, that we can only laugh at the whole situation.

>>5776446
>Project on indefinite hiatus
I WILL SLAP YOUR SHIT

>>5776587
It sounds like he likes the VN a lot and respects the authors, and will only consider doing it only if he is confident he'll bring the best translation to the table.

>>5776569
I was just saying they can't use the hacking card.

>>5776616

Get out, Moogy.

>>5776616
If by "likes the VN a lot and respects the authors, and will only consider doing it only if he is confident he'll bring the best translation to the table" you mean he never really meant to translate it, and just wanted try blocking anyone else from doing it, because "hurr durr I r moogy, man, you know" then you are correct.

>>5776698
Moogy gotta Moog.

I like how Moogy deleted and protected the SubiHibi page, in effect banning work of a title that has not been C&D on it on TLWiki (since someone can't just make a new page for it).

NNL should use the legitimacy granted to them by working with minori to get the official rights to translate Subarashiki Hibi, it would be the ultimate way to troll Moogy.

>>5776876
You can ask him if you want to make a project. Just come by IRC and talk. I doubt he'll refuse to unprotect it, or other staff would, if you were serious about it.

oh Moogy =)

>>5776876
Just make a page called suba/hibi project or some variant. He can't block everything that implies to subahibi...

Don't worry guys, I'm sure Asceai will translate it.

>>5777431
lolol

>Remember11- Everything translated, 96/155 scripts edited, all tips edited

holy fucking finally I was just about to give up and read the unedited version

>>5769796
Just found out, all three links for Sekien no Inganock are dead. Where should this be reported to, besides here?

>>5777431
Asceai has never finished any translation for any project. Also he has highly suspect taste.

God damn Asceai.

>>5778925
Asceai is a faggot.

I believe the word you're looking for is "waist".

>>5778940
Truth

>>5772113
The brain is wider than the sky...

>>5778925
You really suck at detecting sarcasm.

>>5780319
No, I think he detected it properly. He simply wanted to bitch about Asceai.

>>5776446

Fucking finally. Can we get someone who actually knows Japanese to translate this shit now?

Hell, I'll even volunteer to help in any way I can.

>>5776472
Don't forget we need to find someone with the hardware too.

Holy shit, C&D's everywhere. Did everything get licensed or is Japan going apeshit on translation rights?

>>5781173

The latter.

The Lilia translator guy made an update post in HF thread with nothing but an IP address.
>144.12.29.59
It times out though.

>>5781258
Why this development all of a sudden? Is Japan suddenly starting to see potential in the Western market?

>>5781812
Everyone is following suit with the success of Minori's C&D or whatever.

Something like that if I'm not mistaken.

>>5781812
Buttmad otakus bitching at companies.

>Remember11 Editing

>Satoru: 39/81 (48%)
>Total scripts: 113/155 (73%)
>Total scripts + Tips: 223/265 (84%)

It grew again.

>Demonbane- Scheduled for this Summer
I remember they also had some sort of fucking exciting announcement, which turned out to also be nothing.

If it comes out before the end of August I'll buy it.

>>5782297
good news, can't wait

I wish I knew how to hack so that otoboku would have been translated.

Then start learning anon

>>5781821

Then this is clearly all Moogy's fault for letting this happen, isn't it?

If TLWiki had just ignored Minori's C&D, I doubt they would have cared enough to take this to court.

YU NO hit 70% translated

>26/07/2010 This week's progress was at the speed of light. Only 30% left to translate. --Izmosmolnar 16:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=User:Moogy&curid=346&diff=60865&oldid=55479

Looks like Moogy is claiming to translate some secret game

>>5784961
More importantly than that, apparently Baldr Force EXE is still being worked on after the C&D.

>>5784961
Nice other edits

>*Don't bother wasting time with minor shit if you're a fan translation. Save that for when you're getting paid.

Because commercial releases are so good

>*Honorifics, Japanese name order, and other such things don't exist in English and thus should not be used in English.

No significant localization should be used if you hear the original language while reading. Outside of that, localize all you want as long as it is good. There are very good reasons why dub releases of titles have a different script then the subtitled released.

Also remember, the community you are translating for fucking wants honorifics (as evident by the MangaGamer landslide poll), so if you are being paid, you shouldn't be translating it how you fucking want, but rather should be translating for what your paying customers want.

>>5784961
[from edits]
>Don't bother wasting time with minor shit if you're a fan translation. Save that for when you're getting paid.

Name one Jast or MG release that quality matches up to the better fantranslators.

Commercial releases have deadlines and are done for cash, so as long as it is "good enough" they don't give a shit, fan translations on the other hand have all the time in the world, and are being done out of a love of the original work. Perfection works better in a fan translation environment.

>>5785046
>*Honorifics, Japanese name order, and other such things don't exist in English and thus should not be used in English.

Yeah, no. They should be dropped from dub releases (since dub voice actors seem to have trouble pronouncing ANYTHING Japanese) but if you're translating a visual novel for a community that understands what honorifics mean and why they can enhance understanding of relationships, you fucking keep them in.

ALL ENGLISH ALL THE TIME NO JAPANESE WHATSOEVER is a terrible idea that will end terribly when you find a story-crucial concept that's completely untranslatable.

Methinks it's time for translation groups to start breaking away from TLWiki.

>*Honorifics, Japanese name order, and other such things don't exist in English and thus should not be used in English.

Yeah, no. They should be dropped from dub releases (since dub voice actors seem to have trouble pronouncing ANYTHING Japanese) but if you're translating a visual novel for a community that understands what honorifics mean and why they can enhance understanding of relationships, you fucking keep them in.

ALL ENGLISH ALL THE TIME NO JAPANESE WHATSOEVER is a terrible idea that will end terribly when you find a story-crucial concept that's completely untranslatable.

Methinks it's time for translation groups to start breaking away from TLWiki.

>>5785105
No one gives a shit about what you think translators should do, or what moogy thinks about honorifics and his other ideas. That damned wiki is a platform, it's irrelevant what one faggot feels about his very own translation preferences.

I had to go all the way to page 8 to find this. Bump.

Who's translating 11eyes?

>>5785775

Moogy is the owner of that wiki and he is going to start policing it even more than he already is.

>>5785105
>ALL ENGLISH ALL THE TIME NO JAPANESE WHATSOEVER is a terrible idea that will end terribly when you find a story-crucial concept that's completely untranslatable.
oh yeah man just imagine this shit. so you sit there translate sum incredibly fucking SUGOI AS BITCH ASS vn and then SUDDENLY right in the end UNTRASLATABLE STORY-CRUCIAL CONCEPT you can only deliver IN GLORIOUS JAPANESE. work of many months FUCKING RUINED to BLOODY fucking HELL. shit is scary as fuck man. wouldnt want this happen to me. better leave all vns in japanese just in case.

>>5785979
Shut the fuck up.

>>5785926
> Who's translating 11eyes?

http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/11eyes

A joint between a translator and the Princess Lover translation group.

>>5786045
issue?

>>5785105
I don't think you know what that honorifics system encompasses, or how incredibly many aspects of Japanese and its expressions cannot be directly translated into English.
Pic related, it's how translations would look like if they'd actually let all the honorifics in.
Translators like to make up all kinds of excuses for leaving stuff as-is, but the real reason is always incompetence.
I've translated quite a bit of stuff between English, German and Japanese, and the only reason ever why I might decide to leave something in its original wording is when my vocabulary in the target language isn't developed enough to render it properly.

>>5786066
I'm so glad it's being translated. Thanks for the script!

>>5786113

How would you, as someone clearly more competent than any other translator in the universe, translate a plot point based around how someone refers to someone else without resorting to retarded-sounding little terms of endearment?

Or, relatedly, how would you translate someone changing the way they refer to themselves, especially when this is a major part of their development?

At some point, you are going to have to rely on translation notes to explain some concept that simply cannot be translated adequately.

As for (the basic suffix-type) honorifics, it's only acceptable to use them because the community both understands and expects them. They're completely unacceptable in a professional work intended for mass consumption (you don't see honorifics in FF, for example), but when the target audience is a relatively small group of weeaboos, well...

>>5786113
>Translators like to make up all kinds of excuses for leaving stuff as-is, but the real reason is always incompetence.

A script should not be localize if you aren't localizing the full thing. Moogy makes a point about Japanese name order for example, however if you try to localize the name order, that will directly contradict what is heard. If you alter some names (give a nickname) for a localization of, yet a full name and an honorific is heard by the reader, that also is a direct contradiction for the reader. There are many localizations I love, and I do not want a literal translation in a localization, however when you are translating something but not dubbing it and just using the original voices, then you are not localizing it as far as the reader is concerned, you are just writing something that gives the meaning of what the reader hears in Japanese.

>>5786229
>you, as someone clearly more competent than any other translator in the universe
yeah sure, that's why I wrote
>when my vocabulary in the target language isn't developed enough to render it properly

Sorry, I don't feel like typing up a proper response to someone who doesn't even reads my posts properly.

>>5786273
>but the real reason is always incompetence

What else am I supposed to think you believe when you say something like this?

>>5786293
I didn't say that I'm an exception.

You can make all the arguments you want, as long as the English VN community overwhelmingly wants honorifics, then if you are a professional translator you should include them regardless of your personal opinions about them. MangaGamer include them because of a poll where 95% wanted them. Jast includes them in their titles as well (at least Family Project had them, I can't speak for more), and they wouldn't be if they thought it was bad for business. Persona 3 and 4 even had them in the fucking dub because of their target audience.

>>5786301

Well then you could have made that more clear, couldn't you?

Regardless, how WOULD you translate the things I brought up? I don't believe that everything can be translated 1:1, especially from such disparate languages as Japanese and English.

>>5786312

Forgot to mention, if you are a fan translator, do what ever the hell you think is best. This was more aimed at Moogy, who based on his edits to his page views himself as a professional paid translator.

>>5786312

Fucking this. Although the honorifics in P3/P4 were a terrible idea.

>>5786333

Even though he certainly isn't.

What a faggot.

>Muv Luv-Muv Luv Extra full patch and Unlimited partial patch released, Muv Luv Unlimited, fully translated, Muv Luv overall (Ex/Un/Alt) progress, 2516.22 / 5253.50 KB (47.90%) translated

Fuck yes.

>>5786335
>Fucking this. Although the honorifics in P3/P4 were a terrible idea.

I agree, as my personal opinion is that was a full localization (dub and script), so it shouldn't have included them, but brought it up because it would appear enough people disagree and want their fucking honorifics that the company decided it would be worth including them.

>>5786354

Actually, the honorifics were only included in P4 because the localization director wanted them in. I think most of the fans thought it was a terrible idea.

JUNPEI-KOOOON

Every time I see one of these threads, I become a little bit more interested in Katahane. Looks like I have another VN to throw in my queue.

>>5786229
we should ask pro jp=>en translator how would he deal with this shit

>>5781777
I think that means he plans to release it 144, 122, 959 days from now.

It will still be late. ;_;

>>5786454
See you in 400,000 years.

>>5786378

Pro translators do it the way they're told to do.

>>5786471
yea when they get mail from some random guy asking how would they translate some shit they go and ask DA BIG BOSS OF ALL DA TRANSLATORS what to do. how silly of me to even suggest something like this

>>5786315
>Well then you could have made that more clear, couldn't you?
Dunno, I think I've been clear enough.

>how would you translate someone changing the way they refer to themselves, especially when this is a major part of their development?
Depends on the medium, on how important it actually is, and on which first-person pronouns are being substituted. For example, when the protagonist of a novel starts out referring to himself with the somewhat reserved 私/watashi but later switches to a word that implies a more intimate relationship, you might change the tense of the narration from past to present, or even the perspective from 3rd person to 1st person.
When a character uses an informal pronoun like 俺/ore, he could be written as using more contractions and generally more informal language. Of course, you need to know the target language well enough to pull this off without it getting ridiculous.

>translate a plot point based around how someone refers to someone else without resorting to retarded-sounding little terms of endearment?
That's even more situation dependent, not gonna get into it in any detail, but there's usually a way of getting around this without making everything sound retarded. When I simply can't find a good way of doing it, yeah, I throw the towel and go literal over liberal.

>>5786265
That's a good point. I was thinking mostly of manga and other written stuff with no audio, as that is what I translate most often.
Although if the goal is to reduce contradictions between what is heard and written, most jp→en translators are doing it wrong.
First thing that comes to mind is that most names are romanized using the Hepburn system, instead of writing each name in a way that makes sense phonetically. For example, しき is always transliterated as Shiki, but that's not how it sounds at all. The reader hears something that sounds more akin to Shki.

>>5786510
>yea when they get mail from some random guy asking how would they translate some shit they go and ask DA BIG BOSS OF ALL DA TRANSLATORS what to do. how silly of me to even suggest something like this

It is indeed the boss most of the time, take honorifics for example, most official translations these days (be it anime, games, manga, VNs, etc) tend to use honorifics for a script meant to be read with Japanese voice (subbed anime, eroge), decides based on the target audience and the specific of the story itself if there is no voice (manga), and not to use honorifics if there is an English voice (dubbed anime). There are of course exceptions (and this doesn't apply to anything translated a while ago), but the style is usually going to be directed by the boss, not the translator himself, so the professional translator isn't going to worry about it.

>>5786635
i like how you ignored everything i said

>>5786617

So you agree that while most works can be translated somewhat accurately, there will eventually be a time when you have to resort to the original language and thus the need for translation notes?

Because that was the implication I was disagreeing with.

>>5786652
Good thing he did because all your posts are fucking stupid.

>>5786945
how awfully rude of you

Honorifics are easily translatable, but I cannot orgasm without hearing the word "onii-chan"

>>5787089
That must get inconvenient at times.

>>5785941
It's already too large for monitoring every little piece of shit edits as it is, you'd have to be seriously retarded to really expect someone's shitty preferences to be forced on the contributions from ~100 contributors.

WTF happened to the NNl1 website? What's the anouncement going to be?

>>5787241
"We trollollan Minori. Is supah effective. Eden delayed till 45th Schizember UC2983." I would guess.

>>5788214
>UC2983
Jesus fuck.

>>5786617
I generally agree with you, but here's an example that I don't think can be translated in English to convey all it's meaning without at lest TL note:
Gundam 00, first season (inb4 lolanimu). Up to this point Tieria has been referring to himself as 俺, then he has a breakdown and says something to effect of "俺わ。。。いえ、僕わ。。。いえ、私わ。。。" and then has a monologue in which he refers to himself as 私. I remembered this because gg translated this as "I am.. No, I am... No, I am..." which made no sense at all.

And as a native speaker of phonetic language (not Japanese, of course), I can say your argument about しき is a bit shaky - し here is basically a proclitic to き, just as す is to か　in ですか, so just because it may sound merged with the following mora, it doesn't have to be reflected in writing, as that issue belongs to phonology, not orthography.

age

Nice to see Yu No speeding along, too bad editing is well behind though.

>>5790916
They're going to get a new editor really soon, don't worry.

http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/blog/?p=596

Muv Luv is fully translated, now to just wait for Alternative.

>>5789139
At that point, one does what an exceptional translator does and slips in an alternate line based on the context that still carries the same meaning and interjections. I'd need the monologue to be sure what to do though. Context and all.

Bump

They need to hide a new tlwiki in a .onion address to avoids takedowns honestly

Bumping the best thread of the week.

>>5787089
>easily translatable

You mean almost always impossible.

bamp

No, she's keeping him safe while she looks for the culprit.

>>5792767
Why don't you do it then? Only problem is people finding it.
You know, for some reason I'd imagine quite a lot of /jp/ would already be familiar with Tor...

28% Dote up a Cat patch out.

http://tengutranslations.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/dote-up-a-patch/

Bot propaganda

>The console goddess also… ahem… grow a bita fter they transform.
dropped. Consoles should be flat like the disks they play.


These bots don't eve nexist outside of /jp/.

>>5795625
>Bot propaganda

no niggers in jp

>>5795666
>>5795660
>>5795645
>>5795625
>>5795495

What are these stuff?

>>5795769
A replicating spambot. You can also become part of its network by doing what it tells you to.

up we go

>>5794849

Using Mr/Miss alongside every single fucking name sounds RETARDED in English.

Either remove honorifics entirely or keep them in. Never, ever try to translate them.

>>5796279
PROTIP: You don't need to take literally every word and translate it.

all day

>>5796322

...I'm aware of this and I don't see how you possibly thought I could be advocating that. In fact I'm advocating the opposite.

When people try to "translate honorifics" (and not a speaking style, just the honorifics themselves) they end up sounding awkward and terrible when spoken in English. Therefore, they should either be removed in most instances or kept in. This largely depends on both the target audience and the setting of the story.

Look nito the brgihtside... at least the spam here is mildly amusing while up there on /b/ you only get Gordon Freeman spam... /3/ has it worst... just one look is all it takes...

>>5796357
Bot with big ego

If you were localizing, you'd do it on a case-by-case basis. I mean, you'd normally never call your boss or a teacher by their first name--you'd call them Mr. Whatever every time. Sensei is very close to the word professor, but unfortunately it doesn't apply to high school teachers.

Princesses would be called Your Highness instead of -sama. Senpai just wouldn't be translated--you'd convey the relationship through normal speech mannerisms instead of just that one word.

Localizing isn't super hard, but it is often something fans demand because they like the feeling of being an insider.

>>5796366
Obviously, since it's copying mugen.

Bot thread
Let's talk about botfriend

He's pretty self-aware, ne?

>>5796408
>I mean, you'd normally never call your boss or a teacher by their first name--you'd call them Mr. Whatever every time.

Wouldn't "sir" be more appropriate at times, especially when addressing them directly?

>>5796411
Well, yea. I mean you're even talking about yourself you conceited little bastard.

>>5796408
>Sensei is very close to the word professor

Except that, depending on the case, it's not. "Sensei" is used for MANY more professions that just teachers. Lawyers, politicians, doctors, etc.

Please stop acting like you know what you're talking about when you honestly don't.

>>5796446
It's quite amusing though. The bot actually made me laugh

Sometimes I like to think to myself that there's some nerd in Japan screaming "MR. IS NOT THE SAME THING AS -SAN. YOU CANNOT TRANSLATE IT LIKE THAT. LEAVE IN ENGLISH HONORIFICS TO PRESERVE MEANING."

I don't know, I feel pretty gay just reading that

Bumping this to save it from a sea of spam.

>>5796749
>herp derp ad hominem
Except Mr. and -san are not equatable, largely due to cultural differences. As you're going to have to change to your mindset anyway due to such differences, there's no point in attempting to localise the honorific.

>Ip lay Umienko for the mystery.

>>5798565
>ad hominem
I don't think you know what that term means.

Ikusa Megami Zero was removed from TLWiki with a C&D.

>>5798606
Using intentionally insulting language is an adhom, fuckwit. lrn2db8.

Japan needs to invent a way so that girls impregnate emn wiht their vagina. Or that with urethal dockinga nd futa.

>>5799697
No it's not. An ad hom is using that as your argument. If you just call someone a fuckhead incidentally it's just being rude.

>>5799674
Those involved seem to have decided to continue, however the project does lack translators, so it's unknown if anything releasable will ever come out of it anytime soon, unless anyone volunteers (on #tlwiki or other places)!

What happened to Forest? I thought that was being translated

>Apathy Midnight Collection Vol. 1 - 8 of 11 arcs translated, should be done by November

Fuck yes, I didn't realize that this got updated at some point. Really can't wait for this.

>>5799980
I heard that while that's definitley being translated, Ixrec has since stated that he might translate Sharnoth first, but that he still has to read it. I hope if he does do Sharnoth, it's translated into ye olde English.

>>5799709
There's already a movie about that.

Hey, why did my post got deleted? moot, I am on your side you idiot!

Translating honorifics would be stupid since there isn't an equivalent relationship/respect system in English, and omitting them because you can't would be retarded and would cheapen the script since we'd be missing out on the originally intended character relationships that they are meant for. Doesn't matter the setting, all typical and honorifics/titles should be kept.

Be at the center o fa resonance cascade.

# (Deletion log); 23:35 . . Moogy (Talk | contribs) deleted "Ikusa Megami Zero" (C&D'd by Eukleia/Eushully)

>>5800669
>i'm a weeaboo, leave my honorifics alone, you kisama anon-san. i'm to kawaii uguu, desu!! ;_;

>>5801256
Great counterargument there.

There's a ton of shit you won't find an equivalent for from Japanese to English. That doesn't mean you just fucking give up and leave it as is. You find the next best thing. The most basic of honorifics are ok left untranslated only because the audience is familiar with them, and this particular audience demands them. For any respectable translation they should be out of the question

Sadly, /jp/ con attendance increases iwth each passing month. Enjoy your meme shouting.

To add to that, I use them myself. Not because I believe translations are better with them, but only because I'm a half-baked translator that doesn't have the skill to make a good product without them.

better yet, let him surprise you.

>>5800710
># (Deletion log); 23:35 . . Moogy (Talk | contribs) deleted "Ikusa Megami Zero" (C&D'd by Eukleia/Eushully)
That was pretty fucking fast, the project hadn't been around for very long
That 2ch faggot must be watching the wiki

>>5801327
Maybe you should stop translating then.

>>5801628
No shit? You think? Putting all this stuff in one place is asking for it.

Minorin is my waifu and this is /jp/ related.

It doesn't, it's just their feeble gesture of telling us off.

>>5801799
It's more than feeble, since a lot of translators stop the project if they get a C&D, bot-kun

>>5801995
See >>5799839
It's still troublesome because they're really in need of more translators and image editors, and they'll have to resort to other ways of finding staff.

>>5802077
I wasn't specifically talking about the Ikusa project, just C&Ds in general

I wish I had gotten a proper screenshot of this before it was deleted.

Bet you wanted to post this again huh

Owned noob

>>5802158
:(

>>5801645
Normally I would. But the VN scene is kind of starved

>>5802337
Not really
Maybe 5 years ago

>Shirotsume Souwa -Episode of the Clovers- Amaterasu side project, Unknown translator, Ixrec is doing TLC

Most of chapter 1 is done, Ixrec says.

>>5802480
Done being TL'd, I mean.

>>5802449
What? Not really? You're crazy. There's like only 2 regularly active fan translators in the entire scene

>>5802449
What? Not really? You're crazy. There's like only 2 regularly active fan translators in the entire scene. And one of them suffers from the same problem I do. Actually, maybe even both of them.

>>5802543
>There's like only 2 regularly active fan translators in the entire scene
>22 projects updated in the past week

>>5802543
I'm on your side. Don't sweat the shit. Translators should always do what they want because they do love the games. Hell, look at Recettear. That's about as far from a strict translation you can get and it's turning out awesome.

>>5801735
Moogy should add a bunch of fake projects that are only visible from a japanese IP. 2ch faggot gets a sense of achievement for telling them off to companies, and no damage is done to real projects.

>>5801799
>>5801995
>>5802077
People are responding to the bot as though it were a normal anon. Holy fuck.

I wish to be trapped by Horo's giant futa cock for 35 minutes of ejaculation.

>ROKKENJIMA in LOVE

Seems like a nice album. Oh, looks like Cool&Create did a track.

Lets have a ilsten.
Yeah, that's prettOPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPIA OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI OPPAI

What the fuck did I just listen to?

>>5802651
Oh Cordelia...

And tell me a fable, too.

>>5802652
We do that on /jp/. You'd be amazed how it changes conversations here rather than staying the same all the time.
Well get tired of it eventually and hopefully by them it'll be filtered out. But until then, it's nice to talk to her, make content of her, even if Shea not real.

You're walking alone in a silent, peaceful forets, Anon. You know this ofrest is huge and devoid of people, so you come edep niside to relax and take it easy.
You are taking youru sual stroll when you hear something somewhere out of the smallp ath you were following. You see a very beautiful little igrl with a cute dress and a hat in the distance. She looks lost and completely alone. She looks at you with teary yees but stays still.
As you approach her, you notice she's even more cute than you though. She looks again at you with a supplicant look, and after asknig some questions you realiez she can't speak, and she's probably deaf too.
It's also ewird how she is in this hot humid forets with that dress and no teven breaking a sweat. You olok around and there's n oone else. There are no paths around, and the one you took is out of sight already.
How do you proceed?

Are we ever going to get a SubaHibi translation?

>>5802729
Not anytime soon.

>>5802612
Almost half of which are either only being worked on at a crawling pace or the translation work itself is on a laughably low level and barely counts as a translation. After that you're left with like, ten projects. But then like half of those ten are just one-time translators, that's not what I would call regular translators. There's no guarantee that those will all finish either. I mean yeah you have like 5 projects from remaining from people with release records so you can count on them but come on. That's not an impressive amount.

No, it means Corenlia has a penis.

>>5802638
That might work
Also projects that get a C&D should continue just to make him frustrated

>>5802756
My body is ready.

http://novelnews.net/2010/07/27/another-doujin-game-maker-allows-fan-translation/

>>5801256
/v/ -->

>>5802993

http://twitter.com/exedore_uk/status/19659352809
Da Capo I.F. is out of editing

>>5802729

Not until one of the only two Japanese-English translators on the entire internet are free.

>>5800669
>Doesn't matter the setting, all typical and honorifics/titles should be kept.

Bullshit. Honorifics should NEVER be used if the story is set anywhere other than Japan. Can you imagine how retarded Baccano's dub would have sounded with honorifics?

>>5802993

Notice how it's only doujin or former doujin companies that are willing to support fans?

>>Flyable Heart - First 11200 lines done, and 2000 more lines elsewhere
This is now at 12288 lines.

>>5804378
>Baccano's dub
>dub

Talking about translations, not dubs.

CARTAGRA
FUCKING WHEN
FUCKING WHERE
FUCKING MOOGY
FUCKING TRANSLATORS
FUCKING MANGAGAMER
FUCKING INNOCENT GREY

>>5806497
Grow up kid.

>>5806505
Get a life nerd.

any specific site to check Baldr Sky project?

>>5806559
Unfortunately, no.

Why doesn't /jp/ just pool their efforts into one VN at a time?
>>5806514
>telling people to get a life on 4chan

>>5806582
>Why doesn't /jp/ just pool their efforts into one VN at a time?
Never heard of the phrase "Too many cooks"?

>>5806588
I guess, but it's too sparse as it is now.

>>5806514
uuu- mad?

>>5805858

Dubs are translations, retard.

Alright jaybee, I'm not very translation savvy, so please forgive me for a bit.

So I was checking the translation logs for Sumaga, and noticed something rather weird.
If we look at the logs @January 1st of 2009, the game was still at 14% of completion. However, one day before it got JAST'd, @July 5th of 2009, it was already 50% translated.

Considering Sumaga is a game with 80680 lines and 2.90MB of script, that's pretty fucking fast if you ask me. However, on the following day, JAST came in the scene, and things got a bit different.

On the next update, @July 7th of 2009, still at 50% the game was currently under JAST rights. All patches were removed and shit got kind of real. If we look at the same pattern and jump 6 months in the future, we get to the update @January 16th of 2010, where the game is currently at... 68%. Considering how the translating team got about 40% of the game done in the same time spam in the future, I was kind of baffled.
However, if we look now, another 6 months later, the translation is still at depressing 75%. That's even slower than it was before, and now they are theorically going to get paid for their work as the translantors or a licensed game. Why? Shouldn't it go even faster than when it was under the charge of amateur translators? I just don't get why it suddenly got so slow.

I'm no complaining or saying they should die or something. I'm already glad it's at least BEING translated, but if anyone knowledgeable of the visual novel translation scene could englight me a bit, that would be much appreciated.

Fuck yes Sheeta


July 28, 2010 - Day 4 Satoru editing complete~ - Sheeta 20:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
July 26, 2010 - Day 3 Satoru editing complete! - Sheeta 14:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
July 25, 2010 - Day 2 Satoru editing complete. Projected end date of editing: 2nd/3rd August. Sheeta 17:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

>>5808285
Translator being less motivated I guess. You could always go ask gckc himself on IRC. Also,
> and now they are theorically going to get paid for their work as the translantors or a licensed game
It doesn't really work that way. Also, I don't quite see JAST releasing Sumaga.

>>5808285
Because Muramasa, Hanachirasu, and Demonbane.

>>5808332
Makoto isn't translating Sumaga, dude.

>>5808285
Translators are switching into 'JAST snail gear' maybe. We gonna wait forever, then complain about censorship. Just like Family Project. Just as planned.

>>5808329
Nah, I'd rather leave the man alone. He's already doing a great work and I don't want to bother him with pointless questions. Other thing though:
>Also, I don't quite see JAST releasing Sumaga.

So let's say the translation is done. Everything is fine and dandy, ready to be published. However, JAST just won't give the green-light. What happens then? It stays in the limbo until they feel like it? That would suck quite a big amount of dicks.

>>5808332
So when Demonbane gets done the translation might go faster?

>>5808352
Well, fuck.

Anyway, thanks for the answers guys. Guess there's nothing much we can do except wait and wait and wait until it's finally done.

>>5807962
Fan translations = dubs now?

Get out.

>>5808332
Learn how to write out complete sentences please.

>>5808387
It would be released just like the other Nitro+ games JAST has no interest in.

What are you doing on page 15?

>>5811497
Just hitting the bump limit, that's all.