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People who expect a good game.

>>5761211
I already said "we the readers", you cheeky bastard.

OP you said it.

>>5761205
My money's on Jessica putting on a coolface, but other than that, I more or less agree.

Why does Battler suck so much?

>>5761234
You see a troll, all I see is a good person who happens to be into chicks.

It will probably be everyone getting trolled by Bern but towards the end of the game AuAu will do something to troll Bern probably.

Who is going to be trolled? Our dear simple-minded Anti-Shkanonfriends.
left: 50% opacity
right: you should be able to figure it out.

>>5761254
I want Bern to be trolled and make weird faces.

>>5761254
Yeah, but no one likes AuAu. At all.

Battler will troll everybody else when it is revealed that he is actually Kinzo and everything has been part of his overly elaborate plan.

>>5761205
Yeah, that lesbian is going to get the shit trolled out of her.

Same with George I guess but who gives a fuck about George?

Say what you want about Battler, it only took him 5 games to get to the answer.

Bern on the other hand went through possibly millions of Hinamizawas and took 1000 years to pull her shit together and figure out someone faked their death.

>>5761287
Dohohoho, Battler doesn't really exist, though. He's just a character in a novel.

Only folks who do are Author-Bitch, Ange, Juuza, Okonogi, and the other chucklefucks from 1998.

>>5761267
I like AuAu ;_;

My Umineko theory is that George is fat and nobody likes him.

>>5761308
Shannon likes him.

Theory ineffective.

>>5761313
Likes him enough to murder him.

>>5761319
How could she say she loves him if she can't even stab him in the face?

>>5761263
Round 2. No matter how much you play with Opacity 50% and females' faces, Jessica's is the only one that fits Beato's. See the failure of Shannontrice on the right.

>>5761313
The love trial was a farce since no one was actually killed, Shannon and Kanon dueled only for the right to leave the island, she's faking it.
>>>/rs/No_one_loves_FAT_FAT_FAT_people

You people are using sprites as evidence too much. If R07 actually went around making sure all his samefags resemble each other when they line up in photoshop, what's the point in making a mystery in the first place?

>>5761346
Especially you, Beato doesn't like her own appearance (hates mirrors) because it doesn't reflect her as the golden witch. In that case, someone who greatly resembles her shouldn't be her. Jessica's just a massive red herring for who Beatrice is.

There's still a core mystery we haven't solved yet guys.

Why does Eva like to dress up and run around in Touhou clothes?

>>5761359
>>5761346
Beato also hates spiders and the only person that knew about it is few and far between.
Surprisingly not Shannon is one of them.

>>5761359
I'm glad Jessica isn't Beatrice, god knows we need at least one female with a bit of sanity on the island.

Seriously, I liked things better when Beatrice was either an unrepentant bitch or an innocent scapegoat.
This whole "noble murderer" thing just doesn't work with me. Should have just killed the goddamn maid.

It was just women's intuition. Really.

>>5761359
Don't you think that people will throw a fit when Ryu07 finally declares who Beatrice is and confirms (possibly) Shkannon and sprites wouldn't match? I wouldn't risk it if I was in Ryu07's shoes.

>>5761375
Hey, it worked for FeMC.

I doubt Jessica is Beatrice, only a shitty maid like Shannon would be enough of a slut to do that.

But.... I'd say it's a bit naive to think Jessica isn't involved in this clusterfuck somehow. Fuck, Kanon's flashbacks gave us a bit of a hint.

EP6 was full of LOVE. Everyone had a nice ending, no one in the family killed each other, etc.
EP7 will have Bern as GM, and she said she doesn't have LOVE, so it'll probably be the extreme opposite.
I'm expecting the whole family will act like jackasses to each other and all the ugly sides of each character will be fully explored. It will be a tale of despair and bleakness to counterbalance EP6 sugary shit.

>>5761372
I don't think most people will. In Beatrice's case, the only time she's seen on the gameboard reliably is above Battler on the balcony in the middle of the storm. Is her sprite supposed to be a directly representation of exactly how Battler sees her?

In Shannon and Kanon's case, though that shoop in this thread looks nice, if you look at their facial structure, it doesn't match like Jessica's matches Beatrice's. But should that matter? Not really, if they're the same nobody really ever sees them together so they wouldn't be able to directly compare their faces or their heights or anything else. Nor would they pay as much attention as someone taking the sprites and doing all sorts of comparisons with them. While it's not really forgivable to have a sprite show someone with red hair while their hair actually appeared blue, small differences like these can be forgiven. matching up their sprites is too obvious, and it's not the kind of thing that could occur in an actual novel, obviously.

>>5761395
They will literally eat each other alive.

>>5761395
See, uh, it's not like the characters were exactly lovely people to begin with.

I just hope we come off of the idea that your motives can justify your actions. No, Battler, no they can't, Shannon's a whore who deserves to burn in hell.

>>5761205
>1. Jessica - Idealistic, Caring, and happens to be best friends and attracted to the murderer. Gee, things can only go well for her!

Either that, or she's the biggest hypocrite around.


>2. Battler - He's Battler. Getting trolled is what he does.

I laugh so hard, even if this is an old joke.

>>5761411
This.

Everybody on Rokkenjima is a liar, moron, crook, nuts, murderer or all of the above.

It's a fucking miracle from God that they all got killed off.

>>5761411
>See, uh, it's not like the characters were exactly lovely people to begin with.
still, every one of them had some positive sides, like Kanon showed in 6. It's not like they have only negative sides, but I'm expecting EP7 to disregard every possible positive side of a character and show only how they are shitty trainwrecks of human beings.
The truth will probably be in the middle.
>I just hope we come off of the idea that your motives can justify your actions.
I don't think he's showing us the possible motives the culprit killed people in order for us to justify them, but to show how they themselves justified themselves. It's a big difference.

>>5761418
Fuck man, we had an awesome lesbian guitar player and a five star chef die.

Still, on the whole, it's mostly a positive thing, yeah.

Uhm... so kinzorape did actually happen?

>>5761488
I'm betting no. Shannon is the type of girl who obviously absorbs herself in fictions, so the tale of Kinzo conquering Beatrice would be one she'd integrate into her fucked up mind. Perhaps it did happen but I've already played the Kohaku route, so I could care less.

Although, I do have a unique theory. Hear me out on this. Kinzo raped Jessica, but instead of, y'know, Jessica becoming Beatrice or anything, she just became pissed off and ashamed.

>>5761503
I must say, KINZORAPE is the only thing keeping Shannon from being the most evil character in the series, and even that is dubious.

Kinzo liked girls who looked like Beatrice, and Shannon didn't originally look like Beato. Furthermore, had she looked like Beato, she'd be kept in Kuwadorian or a rape dungeon, not to hang out with Battler, Jessica, and George.

What is the relase date?

>>5761529
August 15th.

>>5761529
August 15th

>>5761519
Rape makes it ok for you to kill everyone you know, I suppose. But wow, I have to say, Kinzo's pretty awesome for a dying old man, what with the rape and all.

>>5761548
Kinzo raped Shannon while lying down sick in bed. He just ordered her to jump on his dick among other things. Since she's furniture, she couldn't disobey.

Wait a minute...

Spongebob is gay....

Jessica is gay....

OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!

>>5761555
Ryukushi better not make Shkanontrice the murderer, because it'll be hard as fuck to sympathize with her.

>>5761580
>See Takano Miyo.

What if Kyrie is Beatrice?

The stakes are probably from Rudolf's company, she's been through hell and managed to escape (like Bern and Lambda) she loves mystery novels and is very close to Battler. The Kinzo rape thing could be explained with some secret past of her, like she was the child Beatrice and instead of dying managed to escape and started frequenting Rudolf to get close to the Ushiromiya family and have her revenge and such.

My theory is probably full of holes but I think that with some better explanation it could fit.

>>5761591
Takano Miyo is a different story. She had absolutely nothing and no one. She went to a hilariously over the top FUCK YOU orphanage.

Shannon, on the other hand, has a ton of people who do care for her.

>>5761608
Also Shkanon could still apply, with her being the child killed by Natsuhi and developing a second personality because of that. Maybe Kyrie knew about it and made her help carry out the murders.

>>5761612
Yeah, that is the trouble with Shannon.

Unless somehow George, Battler and Jessica are revealed to be complete assholes, Shannon's pretty much angsty whore tier.

>>5761608
They say she was trained for succeeding the Sumadera family's head since she was a child though.

>>5761627
Right, I had forgot about that. But in Ep6 there's still too many hints that link her to Beatrice..Or at least it looks like that to me.

>>5761655
You're crazy. Kyrie doesn't have much that links her to Beatrice at all.

Unless of course Battler made some promise with her, ehehehehe.

>>5761612
Everyone assumes that Shkannontrice killed people for the lulz or because she pissed about Battler.

Am I the only one who thinks that's stupid? The feeling I'm getting is that she was killing people off in a roundabout way of trying to help them -- much like what she did with Battler in meta world, pretending to be his enemy when she's feeding him answers -- and she feels that's justified within her fucked up psyche.

>>5761667
That's how it seems to me as well.

In fact, people always go around saying this, but there's one particular guy who slams her actions and calls her evil, always talking about how Shannon ventilated Jessica's head

>>5761667
We don't assume that she's doing it for revenge, no one has ever said that. Red text is against that.

But any scenario where she is "helping" people by murdering them is retarded. What, she's trying to get them to disarm a bomb by killing them all? Real fucking smart idea there.

>>5761680
More like she's trying to bring them all to the golden land. The golden land is constantly repeated to be a place where witches, furniture and humans are all equal, and even back at the end of episode 3 Kanon and Jessica as well as George and Shannon are getting together there.

Shkanontrice probably believes that this magic is actually possible. So she's crazy, but she has good intentions.

>>5761680
I've seen a lot of people on /jp/ assuming she did it for revenge.

At any rate, I agree it's still pretty stupid. Hopefully there's something more to it than we're seeing.

>>5761678
Estoy aqui! But, I merely use that as an example, she shot Jessica in the face after making her lie to Battler, that's not exactly a heroic action.

The killer's motives don't seem to encourage people to find the truth so much as they seem to encourage people to believe in the witch.

>>5761688
That's the most common theory, bro, welcome to six months ago. And it's quite pointless, she has good intentions, too bad for Eva and Ange.

Her motives can explain her actions, but having good intentions by no means justifies them. You'll be hard pressed to find many people who have "bad" intentions.

>>5761662
Well as I said the mystery novels, stakes, the hell, being the only one to see guest Beatrice in Ep2, being the one chosen to "save" Battler from the closed room in Ep6 and maybe even the mirror thing (she changed her identity/hates herself for having lost Rudolf to Asumu or something else).

For the promise dunno, it could be something related to Ange or maybe to never return to Rokkenjima/the Ushiromiya family.

But yeah I'm probably wrong sadly, it's just a hunch I had while reading, I've never tried to resolve the mystery until now.

>>5761667
The current most logical speculation at the moment are them reenacting the twilight faking death as part of Kinzo elaborate plan.

Lets try this with a chessboard thinking, if you are the killer and if you are going to kill everyone why do you go through length to paint magic circle and make impossible close room murders. Ok the killer might not realize about the ticking time bomb but in Ep4, we clearly see that Beato is the last one standing.
Pretty obvious she is not the killer and somehow got put in that position outside of her own will.

>>5761701
I don't know how I feel about a literal time bomb... it seems too.... stupid.

>>5761698
>being the only one to see guest Beatrice in Ep2

She wasn't. Rosa did, too.

Name other Rokkenjima-related sin forgotten by Battler other than 'Pony'.

>>5761706
Sorry, my memory sucks. I should read everything again probably, but I'm too lazy to do it.

>>5761712
The sin Battler committed was not killing that stupid holier than thou maid when he had the chance.

Tonight i had a dream about Shkannon closed room

But i can't recall what was is about damn.

>>5761706
Also Gohda said Genji told him Beatrice was staying in the room.

>>5761731
I had a dream where Adam Baldwin and Neil Patrick Harris solved crimes as FBI agents.

Their blood splatter analyst ending up being the killer, who was of course Shannon.

>>5761612
*cof*Tomitake*cof*

>>5761738
Yeah, but he wasn't there for her whole life.

Shannon's friends were.

You can sympathize with Takano, but that wasn't her character point.

Shannon on other hand, you suppose to sympathize with her because she's doing everything for love.

>>5761751
>doing it for love
Well, same with Kinzo, but he's clearly meant to be seen as a dangerous delusional maniac.

Or are you being sarcastic? I can't really tell anymore;_;

>>5761701
>Ok the killer might not realize about the ticking time bomb but in Ep4, we clearly see that Beato is the last one standing.
How many times do you need to read about PERSONIFICATION OF THE GODDAMN RULES to get it?

>>5761742

For a start, Shannon =/= Beatrice. Same body, but Ryukishi regards them as two different people.

>>5761712
>I’ve tried to design Umineko so that you can enjoy the ‘why’ at least a little, so I hope that you do. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that there will be clear hints pointing to the ‘why’.

>>5761764
He's not talking about meta world, you dolt. Beatrice obviously exists on the game board as Shannon's third personality.

The sin matters so much to Beato.

In episode 4, the first question she poses to Battler is basically 'who do you like?' by leaving the second field blank. When he jokingly says it's her but then admits to having no interest, Beato confronts him with his sin.

First he recalls him leaving his immediate family, but Beato says that isn't it. To Battler, Meta-Beato's eyes seem to be accusing him of a sin against her.

Piece-Battler says he can't remember anything. Piece-Beato becomes depressed, and asks Meta-Beato in a little meta scene to take her off the gameboard. Piece-Battler doesn't see an exchange like this, but he sees that she doesn't look anything like she did when she first met him on the balcony.

Then, Meta-Beato's approach to the game completely changes. First, she shuns all her friends on the gameboard. Then she accuses Battler of being a fake, because the real him would remember the sin. She says she was aware of the possibility from the start. I wonder if she's not really lying here. She could really not know everything about him, and have the suspicion that he's a fake, because she doesn't want to admit that the real Battler would forget his sin. She makes a theory about this, allows Battler to use some red, then leaves to stay in the Golden Land with Maria, abandoning the game. I think she might have not purposefully mislead him, yet realized her logic with the red was flawed. She didn't confront it directly, because she wanted to convince herself that he wasn't the real Battler.

Ange has to drag her back as a player. Then, Beato is asking for Battler to kill her. That red flashes on the screen about "if you don't come back, I'd rather not have been born" and "please kill me" or whatever.

Begin their final debate. Beato goes easy on him, and tries to give up. She tries to let him win without even denying the 'person X since Kinzo is dead' theory. She just asks him to finish her off, kill her. But he won't, he realizes that she gave up, and he fores her to continue.

Although she fights with more the second time, she still holds a lot back, as we know from Lambda. She still allows Battler to kill her without giving it her all.


Then episode 5. Because she gave up and allowed Battler to damage her like that, she's a living corpse. Battler tries to figure out her complex motive, because the moves she's made throughout their games don't make sense to him. He reaches the conclusion that somehow, to Beato, the murders and the epitaph weighted up have some value to Beato when they're presented to Battler, but it's not about revenge or fear.

Further along in the episode, Beato implies that Battler broke a promise to her. Battler reacts in a confused manner, and asks if he ever broke a promise to her. Beato reacts very harshly to that, she cries and asks to be killed right away.

Then she does die, when Battler finally reached the truth. I think this entire process was just because Battler forgot his sin.

>>5761774
Except that last battle was in meta world, retard. And Beatrice clearly said:
# Ushiromiya Battler. I will now...kill you.
# And right now, there is no one other than you on this island. The only one alive on this island is you. Nothing outside the island can interfere.
# You are all alone on this island. And of course, I am not you. Yet I am here, now, and will kill you

>>5761787
The Beato he was debating against is already unconscious at that point. It's a second Beato who tells him that, who has a more spectral form.

>>5761787
Meta world? What?

I dont know who is cosplaying as Beato in that balcony scene but I am pretty sure whoever that is was talking to Battler on the real Rokkenjima before an exploding bomb wiped them off the gameboard.

>>5761787
piece Beatrice is a stand-in for the culprit, whoever that happens to be at the moment. That means in that case she was the bomb

>>5761787
Because meta Beatrice is an incarnation of the rules, bomb included. Piece Beatrice is still Shannon's alternate personality. She probably killed herself before the bomb went off in EP4.

>>5761764
The meta-Beato is a collection of a few things which can be called 'rules'.
-The rules of magic, which make her a witch
-The legend of Beatrice, which gives her history with Kinzo
-Shkanontrice's Beato, which gives her love for Battler
And
-The explosion incident that causes the certain fate of all those on the island, and creates the lack of witnesses on which the illusion of the witch is built

>>5761794
Then he can't be sure that she's "the last one standing", you know.

>>5761776
>>5761778
>The sin matters so much to Beato.

...could've stopped there instead of wall-of-texting the obvious. Or maybe not said anything since, y'know, we know.