/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>5741033
Admit faggots you only use Shkanon as an excuse to Stop thinking

My advice is for you to become a tripfag.
I want to enjoy your tears when episode 7 will be released.

what font is used in umineko? inb4 comic sans

>>5741050
Admit people who deny ShKanon use the ridiculousness of the situation to stop thinking, instead of trying to find out how such a ridiculous thing came to be

>>5741029

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>>5741097
You guys get fucking mad with Shkanon, but still you all keep supporting that stupid theory....
I don't get it

>>5741094
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>>5741110
Most people just aren't delusional like you.
They accept it simply because they realize that it's most likely true, doesn't mean that they like it.
Lying to yourself like this, it will only hurt harder when it will be confirmed.

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>>5741121
I feel sad for you

it's quite obvious kyrie and rosa are the SAME PERSON ..
ence battler is maria brother !!

try to solve the "perfect closed room" of EP6 with something else than shkanon, and in a way that'll be a "key" to the rest of the closed rooms in Umineko. figuring out what the magic scene with Beatrice, kanon, shannon and their lovers is supposed to mean if its not shkanon would also be nice.
I cant figure out anything plausible - the closed room could be solved with Kanon dying after saving Battler (dead people dont exist, see Kinzo for proof) but that really doesnt help you solve the other closed rooms in Umineko.

>>5741195

Someone photoshop this with Bern's and Battler, George and Jessica's head

Someone answer me this please: If Shkanon is true how can Shannon and Kanon be confirmed in different rooms at the same time in red?

>>5741237
Shkanon is not true. Those faggots just ignored the red.

>>5741243

May I ask what red are you talking about?

>>5741094
Sazanami Gothic

>>5741215
''I detective Nanjo solved the ''perfect closed room'' of episode 6 and later i shall display that truth in my new tale with Joji. Ohoho''

>>5741237
when were they confirmed to be in different rooms? "everyone else" might not count, depending if everyone means persons or humans

>>5741249
> "<Good>. I'll continue. 'Hideyoshi, George, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo are in the next room over!'"
> "Acknowledged."
> If Battler had been told to repeat 'Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room', he would probably have responded with the red without thinking too much about it.

>>5741263
>If Battler had been told to repeat 'Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room', he would probably have responded with the red without thinking too much about it.
means nothing, was it even red? anyway even if it was it says nothing for certain

>>5741275
So what, was that, narrator blatantly lying about Battler's thoughts?
It does say that Kannon is in one room, and Shannon is in the other.

>>5741283
Stop forgetting the context.
Erika was trapping him, Battler was planning on using one of the first twilight victim to free himself.
He probably would have claimed that Kanon was in the room in red and said the same thing for Shannon.
But Erika trapped him.

>>5741283
>probably
it is nothing new in mystery novels (or whatever I should call them) to try and mislead the reader. the narrator is just "guessing" how Battler would "probably" answer.

>>5741295
>>5741294
So what's the big idea? He knows the truth. If skhannon is true, he knows about it. He was expecting Erika to ask to confirm "Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room", and got very confused when she asked for 'everyone else'. What was he planning to answer if she asked "Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room"?

>>5741344
>>What was he planning to answer if she asked "Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room"?

I refuse

>>5741396
And yet he acknowledged everyone else. Right. Smart detective Nanjo saves the day with his bullshit again.

>>5741417
because everyone else doesnt contradict with shkannon

>>5741437
No, you see. If he was planning to refuse, there should be some big difference between "Everyone else is in the cousins' room!" and "Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room" to put him off his tracks like it did. He was planning to refuse, and refusing neither of these two contradicts shkannon. So, if your theory is right and he was planning to refuse "Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room", then you have to supply a reason why he decided to acknowledge 'everyone', a very dangerous concept for him.

>>5741465
He was planning on using a loophole, maybe leave some room for Kanon to leave the cousin room.
The point is that his plan was wrecked so we don't know, no point in arguing about it.
The other point is that Kanon wasn't counted in the "everyone else", something that should be a logical error if he had his own body.

I think he was planning to say everyone else from the beginning, so if Erika had asked him for the people's names he'd have paraphrased it.

>>5741029
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>>5741479
'some loophole'
Some loophole that lets you say in red that a person who isn't in the room actually is there.
You can't even have a cohrernt conversation with you shkanon people...

>>5741480
Why did Erika asking about everyone put him off his tracks then? He could have just said "I Acknowledge", and that's just it.

>>5741465
>"Krauss, Rudolf, Jessica, Genji, Gohda, and Kanon are in the cousins' room"
What make you think that BATTLER won't refused to say this in RED?

>>5741514
Read discussion from the beginning.

>>5741283
BECAUSE OUR HONEST NARRATOR WOULD NEVER LIE ABOUT GAMEMASTER'S THOUGHTS, RIGHT? AND HANYUU INVITED ANGE NOT BECAUSE SHE CAN'T FOLLOW BATTLER ANYMORE BUT JUST FOR FUN, RIGHT?

>>5741501
I'm really tired of arguing with you, especially the way you go "you ShKanon people" constantly and shit.
You know what, hold on your hope that ShKanon will be denied in episode 7 and your belief that you are the only one who understand this game, but the higher the hope, the higher the fall.

>>5741518
Are you just ignoring next posts?

>>5741528
I'm not saying I understand the game. I'm saying you don't. Of course I'd call you shkannon people. Instead of thinking you cling to lame theory which has so many holes it makes me want to cry.

>>5741553
Wolf and sheep faggot.
Do you really think they dont have accomplices?

>>5741553
Yeah, yeah think whatever you want.
It's the last straight line to the finish anyways, I'm going to really enjoy your tears.

Just watch Genji is the real mastermind

>>5741571
So, you do want to keep arguing, just not about that scene where shannon and kanon are in the same room? I take it that's because you have nothing to say and just want to move away from discussion that disproves your precious shkannon theory?

>>5741583
Of course he is, who else do you think can throw the stakes if not the one shown to throw knives with incredible accuracy?

>>5741574
There won't be any tears. I'll pretend I never played the game if shkannon is the answer.

>>5741588
>shannon and kanon are in the same room
They were never in the same room. I have no idea what you are implying here.
When this statement ""Everyone else is in the cousins' room!" was made, Kanon did not exist.

>>5741501

He obviously didn't expect her to actually ask it of him. Since he had prepared it to cover up Shkannon he'd have to assume she was on to something and he'd at least have to pretend to not have wanted to do so to begin with or Erika would have definitely picked up on something.

the other day I had a dream where Shkanon or any kind of personality split is denied in Ep7.

that was a weird dream.

You disgust me. How you will accept a story where a person can magically appear and disappear out of nowhere and then claim it's a mystery not fantasy. Something is really wrong with your heads if you're willing to accept this bullshit. I guess that's what "without love it can't be seen" means. R07 can't tell love from ignorance.

>>5741632
>"......Heh, ......heheh, ......that's a nasty trick...You sure something like this counts......? With a trick like this one, those humans will start complaining again about how this isn't mystery......"

R07 practically admitted to this and is laughing at them now.

>>5741640
So why are you so proud about this? This _is_ a nasty trick that makes whole umineko completely worthless. Instead of fantasy vs mystery it is now just lame fantasy about love.

>>5741640
Except shkannon doesn't require any love at all.

>>5741640
>R07 practically admitted to this and is laughing at them now.
"Oh boy, I sure showed them how stupid they were to not think about bullshit there was no way of guessing because of my asspulls, oh oh oh"
Yeah, no.

>>5741652
What?
Why would I defend his shit writing and plot device? I already accepted how shitty his truth and ending will be.
I don't see your point.

>>5741032
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>>5741671
If you accepted shkannon answer as shitty you wouldn't be here defending it.

>>5741686
Stop assuming as people who accept Shannon like it.
It's just that not everyone is as deluded as you.

>>5741632
I'll accept Umineko by now no matter what happens, its enjoyable to read anyway.
it is true that I'd hope something more interesting happened than shkannon, and I'd like it if we'd discuss alternative theories more instead of just trying to deny/prove shkannon.

All of you, Knock it off.

Shkanontrice might be true, it might not be.
If you believe in it, fine use shkanontrice as the key and solve umineko.
Otherwise if you don't believe in it, try to answer the ep 6 closed room and the final two red of ep 6 without it, then use your answer as the key to solve umineko.

EP5: why were you all whining about magic tricks? You should use mystery rules till the end to see through the magic tricks
EP6: lol just kidding I'm actualy using magic tricks

>>5741703
Look, the fact that you're participating in discussion about umineko means you like it. Which means you're either content with shkannon answer, or are denying it. I'm denying it. What about you? If you don't deny shkannon, then we're back to >>5741632, you disgust me.

>>5741727
>Which means you're either content with shkannon answer, or are denying it. I'm denying it. What about you? If you don't deny shkannon, then we're back to
theres still the option about doubting it and still accepting other theories as well (if any plausible ones even exist anymore, /jp/ seems to only focus on shkannon vs not shkannon now)

>>5741727
I haven't play any of the game since the third one, well I played 4 for a bit but the horrendous writing put me off.
I still participate in these threads a lot, most of my knowledge is second hand.
It's not a question of liking Umineko or not, it's just that there is a lot to talk about because of its genre and because most people here are bored.

.

could the "SOME PEOPLE WILL NOW WHINE ABOUT IT NOT BEING MYSTERY"-thing be foreshadowing for Batora breaking some Knox rule(s)? I dont like the idea of that, but it came to mind while reading.

THIS THREAD

>>5741725
Don't forget
>it's a mystery, guys, see how I'm constantly referencing mystery novels and using the rules for mystery fiction to write it
>wait why are you guys trying to solve it like it's a mystery?

>>5741727
Why would I like it?
It is shit but from the evidences and foreshadowing it is 99% confirmed.
Umineko has a good start but shitty ending and resolution. I can't really say that it is R07's cop out, he did foreshadowed but it is still shit the way he uses it around the red text.

>>5741744
People like you should just get the fuck out.

>>5741763
It's like R07 was mad about people using not-mystery explanations thus ruining his plot twist when he would have actually used non-mystery devices in a so-far-believed-to-be-mystery plot.
EP5 was all "See? See? This is how you should've done it for it to be effective", with EP6 being "I'm now starting to disclose my magic trick, but oh lol now you'll surely be angry about my masterpiece reveal and you ruined it!"
Child tantrum if I ever saw one.

>/jp/ - We repeat Shkanon over and over, thinking it will solve the bank number, discover the culprit, know Battler's sin and solve every single closed room among others.

What about this: The Moment Erika confirmed everyone's location was after she left the cousin's room, right? She could have immediatly sealed the doors with no problem but there would still be a timeframe from the point where she confirmed where everyone was until the moment where she sealed the windows, right?

If Kanon left trough the window of the cousin's room then there wouldn't be a problem now would there?

As for the second problem: Kanon could just
a) Have killed himself.
b) Taken down the chain and left the room.

Though b) isn't likely it could still have happened as there is no rex text saying that the chain is still set the moment the game is suspended.

>>5741859
c) Kanon became yoshiya
d) Kanon became beatrice

>>5741863
Only thing it doesn't solve is the bank number so yes.
Go back to gamefags or animesuki.

>>5741863
>>5741880
So gamefaqs/animesuki is the only place with people retarded enough to still deny it after the confession given by R07?

>>5741215
Erika said in red that "she visited all crime scenes and re-killed all of them". She says only in white that she didn't kill Battler, so I guess Beatrice can have made a logic with Battler already dead somewhere, and Kanon already faking Battler in the guestroom.
But I can't see the following.

>>5741932
(at the time of the logic error, of course)

(copypasta) There's been this Umineko no Naku Koro ni theory floating around 2ch about Asumu. It also has some character-assigned-a-number plays somewhat reminiscent of esoteric Hebrew value=meaning puzzles, which makes sense because of all the demons Ryukishi is conjuring up.

The explanation comes in two parts, the first regarding Hachijou Touya's pen name, and the second part on her name's relevance with Ushiromiya Asumu's.

Let's start with the explanation to Hachijou Touya's (八城十八) pen name: 伊藤幾九 郎〇五七六

Now we agree to use these pronunciations and assign numerical values to them (based on the pronunciation)

伊 (i = 1)
藤 (tou = 10)
幾 (iku = 1,9)
九 (kyu = 9)
郎 (rou = 6)
〇 (maru = 0)
五 (go = 5)
七 (nana = 7)
六 (roku = 6)
Simple enough. We can now get 11019960576 from that.

Taking Touya's (十八 = 18) name into consideration, we can calculate:
11019960576 = 8^18
In other words,
18's 8乗 (18's hachijou, as 乗 can be pronounced "jou", lit. "to the power of")
The pronunciation can now be written as 八城十八 (Hachijou Touya)

Still following? <Good>. The relevance of this can immediately be seen in the second part below.

Back to Hachijou Touya's name.

八城十八, which can be taken as 8上18 (城 and 上 can both be pronounced as jou. 18 up 8? 18th exponent of 8. That's the 8^18 = 11019960576. Made the connection? <Good>.) [cont]

The relevance of this can immediately be seen in the second part below.

Back to Hachijou Touya's name.

八城十八, which can be taken as 8上18 (城 and 上 can both be pronounced as jou. 18 up 8? 18th exponent of 8. That's the 8^18 = 11019960576. Made the connection? <Good>.)

8上18 (18 up 8) could also be taken as 18 adding 8; 18+8 = 26
remember the cryptic 07151129 written on the door that was a bank account number? Well,
0+7+1+5+1+1+2+9 = 26
So now we've established a connection between Hachijou Touya 18+8 = 0+7+1+5+1+1+2+9 cryptic account number

Let's work with the 26 we've got earlier.
First, the surname 右代宮 (Ushiromiya) could be deconstructed phonetically and reconstructed as 後ろ38 (後ろ = ushiro, lit. "behind", 3=mi, 8=ya)
Behind 38? Oh: The 38 is behind.
Behind what? 26.

3826 (can be pronounced as mi you ni mu)
み よう に む or flattening them, みょうにむ
myouni, lit. tomorrow can be written as 明日
mu, lit. dream can be written as 夢

明日夢 can be pronounced as Asumu
With 38 behind (後ろ38, pronounced Ushiromiya), we finally get
右代宮明日夢 Ushiromiya Asumu

>>5742521
>>5742526
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>>5742521
>>5742526
Wait, What does this imply?
Hachijou Touya is Asumu?

>>5742521
>>5742526
This is why I've pretty much given up any pretence of solving either the number puzzle or the epitaph.

Be reverse weeaboo and give your family western names, then make a riddle that relies on wordplay that only makes sense in japanese.

Much as I wouldn't put that past grandfather, I'm glad the fucker is dead.

>>5742573

Kinzo was off the hook.

>>5742573
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo to evade the red truth to be with his DESIRE.

>>5742526
cool story bro, talk about more bout 2012 please.

>>5741890

As if the majority of the braindead fans of /jp/ are any better

>>5743592
Why don't you go and stay there then? Faggot.

>>5741629
that would be heaven son, that would be heaven...

>>5742526
>>5742521

UWOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

>>5743610

hahahahaha I don't even post in animesuki or gamefaqs yet I find it hilarious how some people here have the face to be insulting other sites when most of the discussion in /jp/ can be summarised as 'SHKANON IS CONFIRMED!!! ALL OF YOU
RETARDS WHO DENY IT DON'T HAVE ANY READING COMPREHENSION!!!!' 'JUST WAIT WHEN EP7 COMES AND BERN WILL TROLL YOU SHKANONFAGS!!!!!'

>>5743810
I'm sure you dream of it every nights.

>>5743810
When why don't you simply go to those other sites if you want to discuss those other theories, instead of throwing a tantrum in /jp/?

>>5743822
Why don't you simply fuck off and leave Umineko threads for good, if you are so clever and solved everything, faggot?