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All closed room scenarios in Umineko can be solved by using spells. Spells aren't witchcraft or magic, they are incantations that lead to things happening. Cast killing spell, murder some folks, cast cleanup spell.

The outcome was never in doubt. Spellcasting is insurmountable.

Technology is wonderful. Did they close the tunnels with small bombs?

All closed room scenarios in Umineko can be solved by using multiple personalities. Other personalities aren't humans, they are changes in behavior that make people do things. Switch personality, murder some folks, switch back.

The outcome was never in doubt. Multiple personalities are insurmountable.

All closed room scenarios in Umineko can be solved by people being already dead. They just walk around for a while, get into a room and then drop dead

Your mom in life can be fucked using money. Your mom isn't a slut, she is someone who takes money to let people do things. Pay money, have sex with your mom, go back home.

The outcome was never in doubt. Your mom is easily mountable.

>>5708787
How had I not thought of this?

>>5708787
it all makes sense now

all of it

>>5708787
Kensiro did Umineko, because they were all ruthless capitalists oppressing the people.

Ohohohoho!! Even the second floor closed rooms?! I THINK NOT!!

>>5708943
Tunnel between first and second floor.

>>5708951
Well shit.

>>5708800

explain pls, how do you fuck with money? a pile of coin? because the paper will get wet

>>5709041
That's why Umineko is a mystery.

To avoid creating a new thread, I have a couple of questions\observations from Jessica's trial.

First. Battler is afraid of vehicles, like Asumu was. But Kyrie thinks Asumu was just pretending, not to mention Battler is not Asumu's son. Yet I can't believe Ryukishi mentioned this trait of Asumu for no reason.
Second. Kyrie says her hell was going on for 18 years. It is implied her hell had started with Battler's birth and the other child's death (when she supposedly lost all her chances to win), and it is logical to conclude that it had ended with Asumu's death. But 18 years since Battler's birth is obviously the year Umineko takes place and Asumu died 6 years ago. Wat. It is possible the "hell" began earlier, but I didn't get such an impression from her monologue.

>>5709252
So it's pretty much certain that Kyrie is Battler's real mom, right?

All closed room scenarios in Umineko can be solved by using secret places in rooms.

All closed room scenarios in Umineko can be solved by using teapots. Teapots aren't secret passages, they are holes in things that lead to other things. Make teapots, murder some folks, seal teapots up.

The outcome was never in doubt. Teapot technology is insurmountable.

>>5709252
I wouldn't trust Kyrie when it comes down to comments about Asumu.

Just my 2 cents

>>5709275
It was almost clear since EP3.

>>5709252
Battler is not Battler, but rather Asumu pretending to be battler pretending to be afraid of vehicles

>>5709275

Nope, she's slightly smart (still dumb for falling for Rudolf), while Battler is a complete dumbass with some wit. Just like Asumu.

>>5709275
>>5709295
Exactly, then what's the deal with fear of vehicles? It's so trivial, I'm just wondering why did Ryukishi had to mention it.

>>5709295
I've been saying that since EP 1, just a feeling.
>>5709309
In ep6 Ange literally uses the strongest evidence yet in favor of Kyrie being battler's mother in an attempt to prove the opposite, so I doubt that Kyrie's intelligence does well when mixed with Rudolph's genes.

>>5709314
He was still raised by Asumu. He saw his mother in panic whenever heights were involved and he ended up sharing her fears.

>>5708787
Confirmed by Rosa.

Wait, quick question about Kyrie: She says her hell lasted 18 years, but Asumu married to Rudolph for much less time than that, right?

>>5709343
Correct. Rudolf was married to Asumu for 12 years, yet Kyrie explicitly stated her hell lasted 18 years.

>>5709373
Awesome, further proof of her as Battler's mother. Her hell lasted 6 years longer because her own son refused to see her until 6 years after Asumu's death. Her Jealousy wasn't just over some man, but her own flesh and blood being taken by another.

I'm still thinking that there is something more to the Asumu Kyrie Rudolf shitstorm.

Like, Asumu's Battler, I think it might still be alive.

>>5709472
Maybe that's kanon.

>>5709472
Well, if anyone, that'd be Jessica. It would explain why Rudolf is all nervous episode one, that'd piss many people in the family off.

But luckily, they didn't need to worry about interesting family drama, because the crazy maid killed everyone.

>>5709373
Yeah, I've always wonder why she always said 18 years instead of 12. Why did it need to have Battler back to have her "suffering" to end.

>>5709513
Because Kyrie's the true culprit! Or.... more likely, she just wanted Battler.

>>5709513
Your most hated rival in love took both your man AND you own child, and turned him so thoroughly against you he wouldn't speak to you until six years after her death.

Yeah, I can see why Kyrie didn't even hesitate when she said she would have killed Asumu.

Of course, this probably has fuck all to do with the murders.

>>5709541
Or maybe its something else that happened that we haven't figured it out and just asume that Battler returning to the family is the answer.

>>5709562
Asumu really NTR'd Kyrie did she? Her lover and her own flesh & blood.

I would be pissed too.

The fucking Viet Cong are taking over Rokkenjima.

>>5709507
>Well, if anyone, that'd be Jessica

I'm sure Natsuhi could tell if she was pregnant or not.

As things stand, Rudolf could perhaps be the biggest jerk in Umineko.

Thus far we already KNOW that he's lied to Battler about his real mother this whole time.

But this could be even worse. He could be keeping this fact a secret from Kyrie(Keeping secrets from the yandere, not so good), and potentially, he could be keeping the whole thing a secret from his OTHER child, if it yet lives.

No wonder he said he was going to die, I would have lynched him too.

>>5709575
Kyrie was the one NTR'ing Kyrie though, since, you know, Rudolph and Asumu were married.

Also, the whole baby switching was, quite likely, Rudolph's doing.

>>5709595
Natsuhi would never lie about something to preserve family honor, would sh-

Oh wait.

But it's not like she's delusiona-

Oh wait.

>>5709602
That's like saying Beatrice NTR'd Erika.

>>5709618
That's entirely different. Erika was forcing Battler to marry her. Beatrice did what she had to.

Rudolph married Asumu out of his own volition - and after the whole deal about him finding peace of mind with Asumu - I do think he loved her, at least a bit. They had a formal family.

Is there any Ero out yet of Kyrie?

>>5709614
Unless you mean she was faking pregnancy for around 9 months...

>>5709628
She snared him into loving her though, by faking her fear of vehicles and other things. Battler now fears vehicles because he mimicked Asumu's act.

>>5709634
That's according to her. According to her Kinzo is also alive. Natsuhi can't be trusted in the slightest.

NTR is a shortening of a passive verb, you don't use like X NTRs Y from Z

>>5709643
Asumu was the original moeblob.

She was far ahead of her time.

>>5709642
Yeah man, but what about the belly, the symptoms, treatments pregnant woman have to go through? Not to mention the day in which she should have given birth.

>>5709642

I;m pretty sure people would notice if a woman is pregnant or not. Faking pregnancy is not something easy. Unless Kumasawa or something...

Sayo is Beatrice.

Kinzo contracted Beatrice, the golden witch, for all the gold on the island.

Kinzo is giving the gold to Sayo basically.

Now what could drive a man to give a servant his wealth on his death bed?

Sex. Sayo was Kinzo's sex toy, he used her for all his deprived wishes and when death approached he realized how broken he had made her, and feeling a tinge of empathy, decided to give his fortune to her while playing along with her fantasy of being a witch.

>>5709643
>She snared him into loving her though

That's Kyrie-talk, which I don't trust.

Also, in the end, he's the one who decided to marry Asumu. In fact, it was also Kyrie's decision not to report Rudolph she was pregnant.

In fact, you cannot say either of the woman NTR each other. Rudolph just played them both.

>>5709644
I don't even know what the abbreviation actually stands for, I am only aware of the general meaning.

>>5709602
What are you talking about? They weren't married when they gave birth, she was just in his family register, and Kyrie didn't know. They both got pregnant so close together that gave birth on the same day, so how was Kyrie doing anything to him?

I just realized how incredibly suspicious it is for the two of them to be giving birth on the same day in the same hospital, but I'll let that slide for now.

>>5709653
>>5709654
To be honest, it depends. Did any of the family members see her pregnant? We've already established that the servants are absolutely fine with letting Natsuhi's version of reality be accepted.

The family doesn't see each other for a year. In that time period, one can claim they were pregnant and no one would be the wiser.

>>5709665

Kyrie did not realise she was pregnant until it was too late. It's not like she purposely didn't tell Rudolf. Asumu just found out she was pregnant first and managed to tell him first.

>>5709656
I don't care if Sayo was used so Makisaha Tohno could use her for sex energy, she doesn't make for a pitable character.

She had a fiance, she had a best friend, just because some kid she had a crush on for two days didn't come back doesn't mean crap.

>>5709672
>What are you talking about?

I was talking about the fact Kyrie was Rudolph mistress by the time he was married to Asumu.

>>5709656
Ignoring the Kohaku plot, it was said in red in EP5, that "the gold already belongs to this child". Now why the hell does the gold belong to the batshit crazy three-in-one maid anyway?

>>5709683
Battler probably said he'd take her away from that place, save her from getting raped all the time.

He committed the sin of giving hope.

>>5709691
Like he knew she was being raped when he said that.
And it still doesn't change the fact that George was there, who would provide the same exact thing, and Jessica was also there, who is as stated by episode 6 the same exact type of person as Battler.

My give a fuck level is at zero.

Sayo being raped is pretty much a fact seeing what Beatrice says in episode 4.
Fucking rape turn women into mass murderer plot, R07 should stop reading Type-Moon shits.

>>5709691
I would only consider that a sin if he actually knew what was she going through and forgot it somehow. If he had no idea and thought he made a casual remark to a servant girl - not his fault, really.

>>5709668

The Servants may 'lie'/follow Natsuhi's delusions and it's possible to fool the relatives but what about Krauss? Surely he'd notice if he's own wife is pregant or not unless he's really that stupid.

>>5709691
That's irrelevant!

Sayo had already improved her life. What's the point of doing that shit just because a childhood crush of hers returned?

>>5709710

Because she's delusional and insane. Although weather that is a good enough reason to feel sorry for her is quite debatable.

>>5709703
I would be pretty stupid if I wanted to create Hotels on the moon (1985)

Meh... I bet Sayo is just being hysterical.

>>5709703
No, no, look at it not as Natsuhi trying to trick everyone, but in this sense.

Natsuhi can't get pregnant, let's say Krauss is infertile or that she is barren, one of the two.

Rudolf gives them one of his children, with the understanding that they'll say it was theirs.

Revealing that they adopted a bastard child from Rudolf or simply that they adopted at all would have negative effects, so they simply tell the rest of the family that Natsuhi got pregnant.

It's magic! Which is to say, a lie, but hardly a bad one.

>>5709731
Kohaku - Had legitimate reasons to kill the Tohno family, they WERE demons, and she didn't kill innocents.

Shannon - Maybe was raped(course, Kinzo was dying of cancer at least two years back), could have told her best friend, yandere fiance, blames ginger twelve year old instead.

>>5709763
>Kohaku - Had legitimate reasons to kill the Tohno family, they WERE demons, and she didn't kill innocents.

But SHIKI under her control did, and Akiha was innocent.

She's a crazy bitch.

>>5709739
>Rudolf gives them one of his children, with the understanding that they'll say it was theirs.

Kinzo gave her the child, and from one of the dialogs it was implicit that child had some correlation to Beatrice.

>>5709778
They were demons. Contrast to Shannon, who ventilates Jessica's skull when she's not literally stabbing her in the back.

Killing Jessica is akin to sodomizing a puppy, that's just not very nice.

At least with the Tohnos, they DO have demon forms that CAN go out of wack and kill everyone.

>>5709789
Kinzo gave her the child from 19 years ago.

The child from 19 years ago must not be seen at the second Battler, because it's not.

It could be Sayo, sure go nuts.

But...

Yes, what I am proposing is that Natsuhi recieved two orphans. The first time didn't work out because of the cliff incident.

>>5709814
Whoops, not two orphans, but two adopted children. That's what I meant.

How long ago did Realtrice (the one who lived in Kuwadorian, confirmed by redtext) die?

It's curious how Rosa met Beatrice in Kuwadorian the same year Natsuhi killed that child and the servant. Awful lot of peple falling off cliffs that year.
Speaking of coincidences, two years ago we have - Kinzo's death, Kanon's appearance, portrait's appearance and some unknown servant falling from the stairs. Portrait's appearance also seems to be the starting point for various pranks and events that Beatrice is being blamed for. Like the pile in the kitchen.

>>5709842
>Rosa met Beatrice in Kuwadorian the same year Natsuhi killed that child and the servant.

Wow, that must mean Natsuhi is quite a bit older than Rosa.

>>5709831

19 years

>>5709842
>Kinzo's death, Kanon's appearance

Kanon appeared 3 years ago, he also knew Kinzo.

>>5709848
Rosa is in her 30s, Natsuhi and Eva are around 50. And Natsuhi most likely married Krauss in a rather young age.

>>5709631