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she's getting murdered by both a youkai and a strong human who want her to die
i don't think it's whether she's the weakest

>>5702863
So was Wriggle.

If you want to argue like that, Tewi is the weakest Touhou - she doesn't even have a spell card on her first complete appearance.

>>5702868
wriggle is a youkai

>>5702844
As reimu heard that she is immortal she is no longer hesitated to use lethal force.
That, and Mokou doesn't care a little about defending herself.

It was very vaguely implied that that fight wasn't under the danmaku protection no-harm rules.

Disregarding that, Mokou has literally the most stamina a being can have. What should she care about dodging?

People usually hold back in Danmaku duels, since they're meant to be non-lethal. But since they knew beforehand that Mokou is immortal, they went all-out on her.
Bitches be crazy.

>>5702877

Yes she did. She just never USED it.

Last Word [Ancient Duper].

Mokou isn't weak at all. Its just because she 'can' die that it was programed that way. Its a gimmick.

besides, by your logic, being an extra boss makes her one of the strongest

>>5702844

ZUN had Mokou explode after each boss because it looks cool. Nothing else.

Still doujin artists like making her lose to their favourite touhou, usually with limbs torn, head splattered, etc.

Try to name doujin where she actually wins. Try, /jp/.

How would that be "weakest", anyway?

She's still Extra rank offensively.

Sure, all her cards are range from a bit to brokenly systematic, but Honest Man's Death is still raging hurt.

Also she was born a normal human, she developed the power to create fire (but not exactly control it) a few centuries after becoming immortal, so she basically learned how to self combust. Mokou is exploding into bits of burned flesh and resurrecting every time she uses a spellcard against the teams.

>>5702943

Touhou Enchantress's Dance 1

>>5702952
I bet she gets off on burning herself to death.

>>5702952
how about a quick duel?

>>5702970
>Enchantress's Dance

So is this futa rape with some asphyxiation fetish thrown in?

>>5702970
less futa please.

>>5702970
Takaku-ya: come for the touhou futa porn, stay for the story.

>>5702984

Yeah but she possesses Marisa first.

>>5703007
Oh right, the possession. I read the other one where she possesses Reisen.

>>5703007
anyway, a question.
How does possessed by phoenix work? Is it actual possession (mokou burns herself, enemy inhales her ash, gets third-degree burns) or grimoire of marisa's "dragon install" explanation?

>>5702844
She also complains the most after being beaten, and is scared of Yuyuko and Yukari, and even jelly doughnuts.

aside from enchantress dance?

I'm on quest, /jp/. To find all doujins that don't worfeffect Mokou into oblivion.

>>5703034
what

>>5703034

>She also complains the most after being beaten

Because EIGHT PEOPLE KILL HER REPEATEDLY FOR NO REASON AT ALL.
No other Touhou character is ever killed.
Furthermore, they only kill her BECAUSE SHE CANNOT DIE. To an immortal, that has to be EXTREMELY rude.

>>5703034
Hey, don't put down jelly doughnuts. Those things can be deadly!

>>5702950
Honest Man's Death is like her second easiest card for me. You only have to move once every few seconds.

>>5702970
>Search /rs/ for Enchantress's Dance
>no hits
>Search e-hentai for Enchantress's Dance
>no hits
Something is wrong here.

>>5703051
she is still whiny emo bitch.

>>5703034
Even Yukari is scared of jelly donuts.

Eirin isn't, though. Thus, Eirin > Yukari. Discuss.

so, no more doujins?
/jp/, i am disappoint.

>>5703023

IT'S THE NAME OF A FUCKING SPELL CARD. She isn't possessed by a fucking Phoenix. It's just a cool name.

>>5703034
you got that backwards, bro. Yuyuko was scared of Mokou.

>>5703119
i am about descriptions. Especially one in grimoire of marisa.

>>5703082

Try Enchantress Dance or Youjoranbu.

>>5703120
She gets over it

>>5703023
She gets blown to smithereanes, resurrects as the embodiment of the target.

On another note, Mokou never actually dies. She can get blown to smitehereanes, burned, blown to oblovion, but she can never actually die. She doesn't "die and then come back to life". It's more like "she comes to life because she can't die". That's why there's a resurrection instead.

>>5703172
That whole "death can't be her existence" semantic thing never fails to confuse me.

It's not a true resurrection then, it's more of just "reassembling" but that doesn't sound as dramatic.

Short temper, mountain of complexes, total lack of self-preservation instinct.

Batshit moe~

Lunatic difficulty question:
How does she keep her clothes?

>>5703201
...Magic.

>>5703172

Semantics.

You can still say she dies, but you can't say she moves on to the afterlife.

>>5703130
It's Enchantresses' not Enchantress's, as in, the possession of multiple people instead of one.

>>5703208
Magic isn't real.
She obviously just makes clothes out of fire or something.

>>5703117
There was Kaguya vs Mokou doujin where she went ballistic on NEET's ass when she showed her head of a boy Mokou rescued earlier which was a fake, but Kaguya nearly got burnt from existance

>>5703209

There isn't an instant when she is actually dead.
If she were to be beheaded, that split-minute when she's alive would allow you to see her the way she is. But an instant when she's dead ceases. That's the way she's described and shown.

>>5703225
>Magic isn't real.
>makes clothes out of fire

>>5703239

Define dead.

Cessation of consciousness? Heartbeat?
She can enter these, if only briefly.

>>5703256
like
OOoOOooOOOoooOOoOOooO

>>5703256

An instant when she doesn't exist, her ryhthmatic heartbeat or brainwaves cease to work, or any instant when she's a ghost/ghoul/any undead being.

>>5703283

>An instant when she doesn't exist, her ryhthmatic heartbeat or brainwaves cease to work

Complete disintegration via magicannon would fit all 3 categories between the space of disintegration and reincarnation.

>>5703283
She is still spirit and regenerates
.

>>5703298
>>5703299

She would resurrect. There isn't an instant when she can be dead. She said this twice, once in IN dialogue and once in CiaLR, and it's in her PMiSS.
Can't fight that

>>5703318

>She would resurrect.

She is still dead before the resurrection.

Her soul stays in the real world and is never taken by a shinigami, but as you JUST defined death, she would be dead.

Poor Mokou, she'll be all alone once the universe undergoes heat death.

>>5703283
You can be 'alive' with your heart not beating. Just not very long.

Electrical activity in your brain is kind of necessary for a technical definition of dead.

Words can have more than one meaning, you guys.

>>5703338
Except for the only other person exactly like her, physiologically.

>>5703338

The universe cannot undergo heat death by merit of her existence. Re-read the heat death hypothesis.

She's an infinite energy generator.

>>5703338
She would float with Kaguya in space. Then they will get bored and will create new universe.
GOOD END.

>>5703329

I disagree. Death isn't a part of her existence, and if that's what the Hourai Elixir did to her, then even if she does get blown to bits the only thing she has left for herself is to live anyway, hence why there's a resurrection. She'd be the type that even after you blow her up with a magiccannon, she'd still be there, and even though you keep firing at her and seeing her blood spill, she's still there while you cry out "WHY WON'T SHE GO AWAY!?!"

>>5703342

>Electrical activity in your brain is kind of necessary for a technical definition of dead.

If your brain has been disintegrated, you are thereby dead.

>>5703352

Again.

She can die, it's just that death is by no means, or any means, ever permanent.

>>5703363
Not what it says in the official work.

>>5703209
Simply put, she doesn't die when she's killed.

>>5703007
This is my life in a nutshell.

Mokou can't be killed, not with a gun, not with a nuke, not with a magical beam, she will "explode" and 'return' to life like a phoenix the moment she "dies" (she never experiences death actually, the process of death is overshadowed by her immortality). But doesn't mean she can't feel PAIN. She will stop attacking once she can't stand the pain anymore.

>>5703230
yeah I remember that one but before she killed kaguya reimu came and owned both their asses

Her fire.
Is it primary ability that was dormant?
Is it goddess' gift?
Is it something she learned?

>>5703363
>I can't die. Nothing can kill me. (Mokou, IN dialogue
>She possesses a body that doesn't age and cannot be destroyed. (PMISS)
>One who drinks the Hourai NEVER ages, never dies.. (Yuyuko, IN dialogue)
>All life crumbles away - each and every living thing must die, this was the law of the world. If that's the case, then maybe I haven't been living since I drank the elixir. (Mokou, CiaLR dialogue)
>Actually, death isn't a part of my existence. To be devoid of death is to be devoid of life. Free from the boundaries of life and death, but as human as they come... (Mokou, IN text)

It's safe to say, from this description, she doesn't actually die. Ever.

>>5703393
If you disintegrate her body with a beam like Master Spark, wouldn't that also destroy all of her nerves causing her a quick and painless death (that would be nullified when she came back to life)?
If so, then you could repeatedly blow her up and she wouldn't feel anything.

>>5703403
If it's the last one, then maybe Reimu and Marisa can someday learn fire.

>>5703403
I'd like to say it's something she learned. She describes herself as being at an equal footing with youkai because of all the strength and experience she gathered from being alive. But exactly how she got the fire? Nobody but her knows.

>>5703398
Also Shino stuff.

>>5703403
Well, phoenixes are related to fire, so maybe
wait
Mokou drank the Hourai Elixir, right? Then where did the whole phoenix thing come from?

>>5703007
SAUCE NOW
I tried to find translated, but no luck. help a bro out

>>5703412
>If so, then you could repeatedly blow her up and she wouldn't feel anything.
Yes, pretty much

>>5703423
hurr durr symbolism

>>5703423
Maybe she thought of her immortality like a Phoenix arising from the ashes, so she concentrated on that kind of magic

>Mokou "dies" after each spell card.
Mokou has no need to care about living, so she can die as much as she want. If death delayed her somehow, it would be a valid argument, but when the life is cheap and endless, you can throw it around. How hard is that?

>>5703423
Maybe she ate a pheonix. Doesn't eating people give you their strength in japanese mythology?

>>5703417
and if that was a dormant ability that probably means that she burned all those poor soldiers.
Not that it makes much difference though.

>>5703439
see
>>5703239

>>5703423
She controls fire, and she reincarnates. The phoenix is tied to fire, and reincarnates. Her taking the image of a phoenix for some of her danmaku is natural.

>>5703417

The fire? No idea.

Though for some reason a lot of doujins seem to read the whole "possessed by phoenix"-thing literally. As in, that she somehow has an actual live phoenix inside her.
How this would work, your guess is as good as mine. Probably better, because I don't know.

>>5703447

I really doubt that. She was asleep little girl. Princess Sakuya must have done that. She even admitted to her and Ihakasa

>>5703458
maybe she wanted to protect little girl from mentally snapping?

>>5703034
Mokou isn't scared of jelly donuts. When on the subject, Yukari jokes about jelly donuts being scary, to which Mokou sarcastically responds.

Here's an important question: Is Mokou a loli? Would her body have stopped aging once she drank the elixir?

>>5703469

>>5703473
yes, and yes
Fuck yeah!

>>5703473
i always thought that process of not-aging takes some time to kick in. Evidence is her hair and obvious appearance difference in CiLR. She is probably has the body of 16-17 years old.

>>5703463
if she was, it was too late. Kaguya already made her obsessive beyond repair

>>5703444
But if you eat a phoenix, doesn't that imply that the phoenix is going to die at some point (either when you bite it, or when it's being dissolved by all the shit in your stomach)? Wouldn't that mean that the phoenix is going to come back to life? Would it do that inside you? And wouldn't that kill you, but since you're also immortal because you just ate a phoenix, wouldn't it mean it's stuck inside you, and wouldn't that throw both of you into an infinite loop?

>>5703485
maybe she got the hair instantly as a side-effect of the hourai elixir? you know, powerful magic and whatnot?

>>5703487
she got better.

Okay, after 1000 years-long killing spree

>>5703493
that still doesn't explain body differences.

>>5703490
if you're immortal you want to avoid that sort of thing.
Dying but unable to live but in a situation where you can't die either, you'd be in a hell

>>5703490
Maybe it's Arthas/Ner'zhul thing.

>>5703503
She looks 10-ish in the CiaLR. about 13-14 and a half in the game, so...maybe?

Everyone is a loli in gensokyo

>>5703473
Older than loli.

>>5703511
oh, yes,that.>>5703528

Touhous are anything you want them to be

Oh, and some more doujins. There was one on voile when Kaguya and mokou fight in official match. It ended with 1-1 score (technically 1-2 - Kaguya used an underhanded tactic and Mokou was NOT amused). I can upload it in hope of translation.

Mokou doesn't die after each spellcard, and neither does any other touhou. they just cry.

>>5703550

If I get that character she has on her chest tattooed on my skin, will I turn into Mokou?

Very important to be btw

>>5703473

No, she has the body of a ~16-20 year old -- i.e. completely mature, but no aging whatsoever.

>>5703511

Judging age by ZUN's art is like trying to guess the gender of Zepar and Furfur.

>>5703603
no.

>>5703490

no infinite loop. if the phoenix comes back to life inside Mokou, then it will burst out of her and escape before her body regenerates itself.

>>5703643
she could ask him nicely to lend her some power.

>>5703642

god damn it.jpg

>>5703693
you mad?

>>5703643
She resurrects the instant she's killed. She never dies remember.
Mokou would probably resurrect somewhere else, there doesn't seam to be a restriction on that

>>5703754

"immortality casts away the physical body"
you shouldn't think of Mokou as one single entity

>>5703754

think back to IN. she doesn't resurrect in an instant. her body is gone for about a second and then it comes back.

>>5703801
If you look real closely, there's still a maple leaf effect as the resurrection effect starts.
Part of her is still alive.

>>5703714

Fairly butt ranged, yes

So, how does one visualize Xu Fu's dimension spellcard?
I always thought of it as a kind of pocket dimension/magic barrier thing. Any ideas?

As far as firepower goes, shes way strong, but since she's immortal, she has no need for defense. It's not like strong means one solid thing.

>>5703503
>>5703511

No height difference, no physique difference.
(The very slight height difference is primarily due to the bow, and possibly explainable by her shoes.)

Only hair.

Mokou/Kaguya stage in Mystical Chain was pretty cool.

>>5704122

It was most amusing that they weren't even fighting you, but you were just collateral.

>>5704037
This is delicious news. Mokou eternally in a 13-14 year old body makes her even more perfect.

Time to delete all of my big boob Mokou pictures.