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summon curry

Polite bump. Have some Otohime.

The blue guy is Wright, Dlanor's rival

>>5669678
Give me some references on that, or I'm not buying it.

>>5669689
Can't buy something that's not for sale

Oh well, polite bumping yet again with some more Otohime.

Reposting

>Last time I visited, there were the Shkannon and B0MB theories.
Unfortunately, that shit is still being posted, even after episode 6. You'd think people would think outside the box for once, but no. There's a pretty good theory going around about Kanon being the 0 on the roulette though, which works without needing 15 people on the island to be both blind and retarded.

>>5669678
>Wright
Fucking amazing. What's the chick's name?

>>5669630
>What is the Kannon = 0 theory?
Kanon counts as 0 in the sense that he is a person/character yet he lacks a body as he shares Shanon's and is thus not a human being.

Erika said it in red, she is the 18th person/character
And Beato and Battler said in red that even so, there are 17 human beings.

The guy in red is Asumu, Battler's real father!

I'm not sure what is the "official" theory, but my take on Kanon=0 is that just like the Beatrice persona isnt, the Kanon persona isnt counted towards the humans on the island. Thus having Shkanon(trice)=1. This makes 16 people on the island (not counting Erika, the way I see it she's a piece who was never truly there, the "closed cat box" allowed an illusion of her on the island) and leaves space for a person X.

This doesnt go well with some red truths, but I think it'd be possible to not enter in contradiction using some wordplay.

>>5669725
Jessica.

>>5669725
Assuming that it is a girl.

>>5669736
No, the official theory is that Kanon is his own body but he still counts as 0.

>>5669714
Hmm. Interesting.

Here's a thing that I though of, feel free to scold me if you feel that it's absurd:

What makes people so sure that Kanon if the made-up person? The cover for episode 7 shows Zepar (Kanon) slightly covering up Furfur (Shannon). It may be a hint, or it may be just a coincidence. Who knows, maybe I'm reading too much into it.

>>5669763
According to Shkanonfags both Shannon and Kanon are made up, the original personality was a combination of them.

>>5669762
Really?
What about >>5669730 ?

>>5669762

Would you mind elaborating? I'm curious.

>>5669762
Why would he have a body and count as 0? That doesnt really make any sense.

>>5669783
Still, I hope that I'm somewhat right.

That would mean Shannon is an epic trap.

>>5669790
He oesn't count as 0. In short, you start counting from 0 to a number x. Like on a roulette.

>>5669787
He is furniture so he doesn't count until he claims he is Yoshiya and becomes human.
But that take on it is stupid really as he isn't the only furniture on the island.

>>5669784
That guy is misinterpreting the theory. It is originally Shannon and Kanon = different people, have their own bodies, but the number of people on the island starts from 0.

>>5669815
Wouldnt that envolve a lot of semantics? And I think 90% of people would think counting people from 0 is just wrong. I think it makes more sense if hes 0 because he doesnt really have a body, and so doesnt count in the number of people.

>>5669815
Then why is he the zero?
Because he said so? That doesn't answer why.

>>5669827
He is.
Well, we don't know about Genji. But to shannon, she is definitely an human almost from the beginning.

>>5669829
The guy who made this theory read too much Bleach.

It's not Kanon that counts as 0 but Beatrice since nobody thinks she exists anyway
The last reds from Beatrice in episode 4 are talking about everyone being dead except Beatrice personality
It wasn't bomb after all
Battler sees Beatrice coming down the stairs before the debate

>>5669838
>>5669840
Just take the >>5669730 version of the theory.

>>5669630
The main competitor to Shkannontrice is Kanonzo/Ghosterika. It says that Erika was actually a fake character painted over one of the other people on the island, and Kanon's real name is Kinzo due to being old man Kinzo's son/adopted son/heir.

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>>5669845
Without THE HEART you can't see the truth.

>>5669854
Doesn't make sense with the duel though.

>>5669838
Umneko involve a lot of semantic to begin with. And I really made it short, there is also what
>>5669827
said.

I should have de original theory somewhere, but too lazey to copy/paste it.

>>5669870
Shkannon doesn't make sense with the duel neither, if you really think about it. Beatrice is too much out of place

>>5669889
That's because ShKanontrice.
All 3 of them share a soul, one must take dominance to get their love, make sense to me.
The long monologue even states this clearly.

>>5669889
That's because it's Shkanontrice not Shkanon.

>>5669904
I know this. It still doesn't make sense.
Beato is disqualified. She should start to disappear way more early. Not when Kanon dies.

>>5669921
Shannon takes them all together at the same time or something.
It's fiction DID, it doesn't have a fixed set of rule or something you know.

I don't get it

The bomb is confirmed, R07 said himself in the last interview.

What we don't know, is why a bomb.

>>5669921
How can she disappear before Kanon dies? The purpose of the duel was to absorb the souls of the other two, unless her soul was split between Shannon and Kanon at that moment, she would have to wait until 1 winner emerged. Also, if Battler was able to break out of the closed room before Kanon lost, they might have been able to resume the battle royale.

>>5669935
Read the very first scene of episode 1 again.

>>5669933
It's a fiction DID in a mystery. And a mystery is supposed to be realistic to be solvable. here, it really looks like a Kannontrice or a DID-in-the-DID. Not a DID.

>>5669904
Shkannontrice isn't the only way to read the duel, just the most obvious way. For instance, a lot of people on the island are playing roles in some kind of game. What if "furniture" just means "character", like in an RPG? That'd be a lot more consistent with the explanation of Beato's birth in the rest of the episode.

This isn't a mistery story.
This is a romance story.
Mistery doesn't matter.

Pivix seems to think the new dudes have both a penis

>>5669935
Link the interview, or else I call bullshit.

>>5669966
>mistery

>>5669935
Shkanontrice is just trying to save everyone on the island by getting them to solve the epitaph to disarm the bomb set by a culprit and/or be safe in the golden land
so what if a few murders are committed to convince them to solve it
Better than everyone dying

>>5669967
Moar fanart? I can't read moon, so no Pixiv for me. ;_;

>>5669968
You're such a massive slowpoke

>>5669949
DID in the DID doesn't make any fucking sense.
Also Shannon = Beatrice is basically confirmed so I don't even see why people argue about it.
Here copypasta time:

WHY SHANNON IS BEATRICE FOR THE MOST RETARDED.
Episode 6: We have the flashback of 6 years ago with "Beatrice" talking to Battler.
Battler talk to this "Beatrice" about his favorite kind of girl and joke around in english.

Different scene, George remember about 6+ years ago, how he was jealous of Battler and we see a scene of Battler and Shannon talking and laughing together.

Different scene, Battler talks about how he was shy as a kid and how he lied to the girl he liked saying he liked a different kind of girl.

Now episode 3: Battler states CLEARLY that Shannon was his first love.
Shannon also states CLEARLY that he used to joke around in english with her all the time and that he promised to come back for her on a white horse.

Episode 4: "Beatrice" talks to about how Battler used to talk in english and how his favorite kind of girls is blond and busty.

NOW I WONDER WHO THAT BEATRICE BATTLER TALKED TO IN EPISODE 6 COULD BE.

>>5669978
Then why not just mention the bomb and opt them to solve the riddles in order to get to safety?

>>5669630
I think the most exciting theory was one I postulated a few days ago. It won alot of support, and several folks here helped flesh it out and even translated it into Japanese and sent it to R07.

My theory went as such: Basically, Battler is Erika's ex-boyfriend. This is hinted at sort of during the duel when Erika and Battler are having their last little banter, as well as other places. I speculated that Battler might have been involved with the drama club at some point in time, which is when Erika noticed him.

The combination of Erika's obsessive fixation on the 'truth' (as Erika sees it) and Battler's self admitted disinterest in a serious relationship ('I'd rather have fun with everyone than have just one person'... Like father like son I suppose) led to a falling out when Erika became convinced Battler was cheating on her (In her defense, note that while her ex could present evidence that he still loved her, he didn't exactly deny cheating...).

Erika obviously was taking the relationship alot more seriously and would up pretty messed up afterwards (hence her immediate grudge with Battler and the rest of the Ushiromiyas). Chances are that her falling off that cruise liner was no accident, and the place she chose to jump off was no coincidence either. Though whether it was an attempted suicide or a mad attempt to get to the private island the only way she could, is anyone's guess. Given her disinterest in the danger she was in or her survival, and her rather erratic personality she displays on the game board, I'm guessing suicide.

As for why Battler doesn't seem to recognize her- well, one person theorized that after the breakup she died her hair, and might even have lied about her name. Another possibility is that Battler was just pretending not to know her since it wasn't a pleasant memory.

>>5669968

>In addition, the word "Rokkenjima Explosion accident" appeared for the first time this game.

>Ryuukishi: That may have been the first time the word appeared, but the epilogue of EP1 did say that "the jaw was the only part of Maria's corpse that could be found". Furthermore, in EP4, it was shown that Ange's boat was unable to dock at the mansion's harbor and that the remains of the mansion were missing, so it should be possible to link that with "something happened that changed the terrain". So, the words "Rokkenjima Explosion accident" are not a hint, but one of the answers. To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.

>>5669992
Supporting evidence: First of all. Erika's ex was supposed to be involved in the theatre, but she seems to have found out that he was lying about alot of meetings with his fellow actors and such, which led her to believe he was cheating. Now this is important, because 'theatre' is a theme that pops up alot in this episode. We've been introduced to the 'Witch of Theatregoing', a pair of theatrical demons playing the part of the Greek chorus, a staged crime on the game board, and arguably even Battler's performance itself was all an elaborate act to entrap Erika and make Beato reawaken. Episode 6 was theatre incarnate, and Battler was the one writing the script. Under these circumstances, Battler fits the profile of Erika's ex surprisingly well.

Also, Erika reads mystery novels, but openly admits that Battler is better read than she is. It's possible that her 'detective' persona is something she only started building up after the breakup.

>>5669987
Said so in the first place. (I'm OP)

>>5669943
there is disappearing and becoming transparent because you've lost.
Don't forget that we are in a meta-world/golden land, even if it is supposed to reflect the reality it doesn't have to work exactly in the same way.
In this world, they are different people, who can die, which would be impossible if they were personnality here.
So even if they are "absorbed" in the real world, dying here is dying.

>>5669959
You're searching too far. Seriously. Even without this, there is another answer which work and which is totally mystery-sided.

>>5669966
I think you should drop the serie.

>>5670004
So two crazy broads fell in love with Battler instead of one? That isn't much of an exciting theory considering Erika is now dead and gone and it has little relevance to the truth

There is something about an explosion. It doesn't have to be a bomb.

I can explain the duel scene without DID or witches: Kanon, Shannon and Beato are immortals.

>>5670036
Well, all things considered, I doubt we've heard the last of Erika, on the game board at least.

I don't anticipate Bern writing her into Episode 7 though.

Explosion = boiler room explosion. Explains why it would be taken as an accident, it also is the easiest way to explain how it could seem like an accident and yet be done on purpose at the same time. Since it seems like it was done on purpose, in episode 5 in the 24:00 answer session, it is said that all deaths were murders. Although admittedly if the explosions started exactly at 24:00, then maybe the game stopped before anyone was killed by these explosions. Kinzo's corpse has been theorized to just be something to cover up a more suspicious smell.

>>5670070
I think we've heard the absolute last of her. Maybe there'll be some brief looking back on her, but that's it.

>>5669968
http://pastie.org/946937

>>5670076
Yeah.

...come to think about it, Beatrice being an old boiler is really really womething which can take your boner off.

>>5670076
Like it's been said countless times, the explosion was big enough to not only completely destroy the house, but also trigger a landslide and even destroy the harbor.
Now tell me a boiler explosion could do this.

>>5670076
>Kinzo's corpse has been theorized to just be something to cover up a more suspicious smell.

I think I saw that here before. It might make some sense, since the only game where someone attempts to escape (not counting Eva who probably went to Kuwadorian to cry over her gold) was Episode 2, and Kinzo didn't get burned in that ep.

He didn't burn in 5 or 6 either, and both of those games were suspended before they got too far into the evening, so we never saw what happened those nights.

http://www.livestream.com/teapartyofcertainty

>>5670112
The boiler isn't above ground, it could easily explode if the house filled with gas (which was implied by the whole mansion smelling bad).

An explosion of that size both under and above ground could easily cause a massive landslide on a tiny and rainy island.

>>5670112
The boiler room explosion could have been the initial cause of several events. For instance, it caused the landslide, the landslide caused more damage.

>>5670116
He could have been burned in all episodes, it's just that nobody noticed.

>>5670130
A mansion filled with gas isn't believable in such a situation.
People would have realized it, also they keep going in and out of the mansion.

about this, ryukishi talked about something which "changed the ground". So yes, maybe it was still a riddle and it wasn't an explosion alone.

>>5670149
And they are talking about a strange odor coming from the boiler room in ep1, for example.

>>5670130
>>5670132
I should also point out that the Izu Island archipelago is volcanic in origin. It's possible that the boiler, or bomb or whatever exploding triggered a subterranean explosion of volcanic gasses. Even if the volcano that formed Rokkenjima was extinct, pockets of gasses could certainly be present not far below ground.

>>5670149
As I mentioned - they clearly stated the house smelled strange in one of the episodes.

>>5669986

Neither do i, you don't need to know Japanese for browsing pivix.

>>5670156
Like a corpse that was burned?
It's a much simpler and logical explanation.
Why didn't they realize it in the other episodes if it's the gas?
It's something that is supposed to happen in every episodes, and an event big enough to completely destroy the house.

And if you look at the symbolism, the whole ticking clock that is used so much could just be foreshadowing to a bomb that explode at midnight of the second day no matter what.

>>5670165
The stench was noted in Eps 1 (by everyone still alive), 3 (I think. I believe it was mentioned as being noticeable as soon as everyone started searching the mansion) and 4 (when Battler went into the mansion after the killings were done).

>>5670182
So I think we can confirm it happens in all episodes.

>>5670179
That's true, but maybe it's the boiler room plus a small explosive?

>>5670182
Yeah, always just before people found Kinzo's charred body.
How is it strange?

>>5670000
sauce link instead. because any fag can simply pretend that Ryukishi confirmed one or another theory anyway.

>>5670208

see >>5670208


Beside, isn't Erika tip enough?

>>5670179
see
>>5670182

Also remember the mindset they were in, I can tell you from experience you won't always notice a gas leak (unless it's to the point where you're pretty much about to die) if your head is really deeply focused on something else or freaking out - which everyone was at this point.

>>5670179
Well, it makes less sense to believe there wasn't some kind of warning signs.

In the only Episode of the original 4 that Kinzo didn't burn, Rosa was convinced that she and Maria couldn't survive 'Anyplace on this island' and fled toward the harbor. And we know from Ange that the harbor was destroyed. So I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that goats notwithstanding, Rosa trying to escape by the harbor and being overwhelmed by something was the genuine article.

Rosa knew it was coming. And she didn't know about Kuwadorian (or remember the way there at least) or the gold, so she didn't have Eva's hiding place to run to.

So then, what could she have known about?

Speaking of Kinzo's corpse, has it ever been mentioned where Krauss and Natsuhi had hidden it? The culprit would need to know where it was if they wanted to burn it.

>>5670228
Because she was an accomplice of Shannon who told her "oh yeah everything will explode soon" as a reward for working with her?

>>5670199
Nigger are you stupid? Do you have ANY idea how terrible a burning human corpse smells? It's pretty much the most terrible thing in the world. That smell could be hiding ANYTHING and noone would suspect shit because of the ungodly smell in their noses already.

>>5670228
Maybe she actually did know about the gold? There were 3 gold bars in the chapel, and Rosa never mentioned again the letter she got from Beatrice that somehow ended up on the dinner table, and asked innocently if it was from the culprit. Maybe Shkanontrice showed everyone in the chapel the gold as proof she found it, then killed 6 of them and hired Rosa as an accomplice.

>>5670016
Searching too far? Maybe, but I don't see any other modern theories that even bother trying to explain why even Genji the Robobutler is referred to as furniture.

I'm not a science major, but my understanding of things like gas leaks is that you would pass out before it got to the point where it could touch off easily. Can any of you verify this?

>>5670228
Goats = landslide
Golden Butterflies = bomb explosion

>>5670259

It's hard to say, considering Umineko cast often moved outside, and the mansion if fucking big.

>>5670247
Stop with the insult.

What I am saying is simple.
A gas leak that goes unnoticed for so long is too strange to be true.
You guys say that the stench coming out of the boiler room is a clue to this.
I say that the stench come from the body that was fucking burn, the weird odor is always noted just before people find Kinzo's body.

How the fuck is it not logical?

>>5670259
You're wrong. In a place as large as a mansion the gas would be thick enough to cause a massive explosion while being spread out enough to keep you from passing out from it.

>>5670265
So theres explosions and landslides everywhere through the story?

>>5670243
>>5670249
And when exactly did Shannon tell Rosa about this, considering Rosa had Battler nearby at all times after they found Jessica, and Shannon was exiled with the rest of the servants anyway?

And if Rosa solved the epitaph, why didn't she just run to Kuwadorian like Eva? And why wait till the last minute to flee?

It only makes sense if this is something Rosa only realized was coming at the last minute, and if that's the case, Shannon is a little too FUCKING DEAD WITH A HOLE IN HER HEAD to be the one who warns her.

>>5670282
>You guys say that the stench coming out of the boiler room is a clue to this.
>I say that the stench come from the body that was fucking burn, the weird odor is always noted just before people find Kinzo's body.
The stench coming from Kinzo's body burning is covering the stench of the gas leak.

It's not so difficult.

>>5670247
What the other guy means is that the two are not necessarily related. I don't remember anybody mentioning anything about a mysterious odor before Kinzo's charred corpse showed up, meaning that's likely the smell is only related to his body burning.

>>5670256
But with both Erika's and Beato's red, the numbers are 18 and 17.
If all furniture only counts as characters then the numbers would have been different.

>>5670301
Maybe Shannon tells Rosa that the explosion is coming at a certain time all the way back then, and that they'll handle it when the time is closer, but then Shannon dies and Rosa is left alone knowing it's coming but not knowing how to stop it or where to run to.

>>5670308
Actually, it is.
You guys are just overcomplicating everything for nothing.
Why do nobody note this in episode 2 when Kinzo's body isn't burnt?

>>5670282
He wasn't wrong though.

The stench of burning flesh would very easily mask any gas leak.

>>5670287
For it to be explosive the concentration must be pretty high, I'm almost sure enough to put everyone to sleep.

>>5670300
No.
Think of it in terms of the context and why it happened.
It is like a way R07 put in magic in his story to hide the truth.

Think of Umineko as a close box with a fixed final result. You can say anything as long as it satisfied the final result.

What else do you think the goats can symbolize?
Assasins chasing after two weak girls?

>>5670321
But his body is burning in the boiler room which would completely cover any smell of gas and also lead people to the room which is why "it happens just as they find the body"

>>5670337
It could easily have just not gotten to that level in the entire mansion yet - it's not like they hang out in the boiler room the whole VN.

>>5670282
Let me make this clear: Kinzo is being burned INTENTIONALLY, to hide the smell of the gas, which one can only assume the killer WANTS TO HIDE so they can light a match later and blow the whole damn place to smithereens.

The smell of burning human flesh is so horrible that your nose pretty much just turns off to keep you from vomiting non-stop. And with your sense of smell so desensitized, you wouldn't even notice some natural gas or something.

This argument is stupid anyway. By now we should know better than to debate about two DIFFERENT BUT EQUALLY PLAUSIBLE scenarios that have no solid evidence to disprove either. Both of these possibilities are true, at least for now.

>>5670346
Why do nobody talk about a strange odor in episode 2? The only episode when Kinzo's body didn't burn?
And the explosion definitely happened in this episode.

>>5670364
And why the fuck don't you learn English? Jesus Christ I see you in every Umineko thread lately and you piss me off.

>>5670364
>Why do nobody talk about a strange odor in episode 2? The only episode when Kinzo's body didn't burn?

How do we know?

And Jessica, etc spent all their time in a closed room.

>>5670364
Maybe because everyone was fucking dead, except for Rosa and Maria (who were running like hell), Battler, who was drunk off his ass, and Genji, who is a goddamn robot.

>>5670360
What I saying is simply that you see a cause and effect that seem quite simple aka strange odor followed by finding a fucking body that was burnt and you have to overcomplicate everything.

I'll be clear, a boiler exploding isn't cool enough for a mystery.
And it's simply not sure enough, for one the gas has to fill the house completely so if a door or a windows is opened you can say goodbye to this plan, and it happens a lots in Umineko

WIth all these episodes we should beable to reach the answer according to Ryukishi, but has anyone figured out why the explosion occurs?

It was stated in red that all deaths are murders, and the explosion is confirmed.
But why? If they were all murders then someone had the intention of it going off, but why would anyone want to set off the bomb?

>>5670331
Rosa fled in a hurry, Battler was drunk, Genji was being Genji.

>>5670376
They didn't die so early.
The parents note the strange odor at the beginning of the second day in episode 3, same for episode 1.
If anything there are more people moving around in the mansion in episode 2 so they should have realized a strange odor easily.

>>5670376
>How do we know?

Knox's 8th. If there had been a smell, Ryuukishi would be obliged to indicate it at least in passing.

>>5670397
>if a door or a windows is opened you can say goodbye to this plan

Maybe you missed the part about the terrible storm going on outside, or the part where Natsuhi is anal-retentive about keeping things shut up and locked.

>>5670422
People go in and out of the mansion pretty often, windows also get broken.

>>5670397
>And it's simply not sure enough, for one the gas has to fill the house completely so if a door or a windows is opened you can say goodbye to this plan, and it happens a lots in Umineko

They're always stuck on one room everytime the murders start. And it's raining. They closed everything.

Anyways, place your bets. Who dies first in episode 7?

>>5670397
see
>>5670422
And the fact that the boiler room would at least still be full of enough gas to blow up - which due to being under the mansion would at the very least end up destroying the building and very likely causing a landslide - even a small one - which could turn into a large one.

>>5670436
When?
In the chapel, yes, I don't remember this in the mansion

Bomb is no longer a theory but a fact.

Confirmed by Ryukishi in an interview about EP6

Well let's take it from the other way.
Why do nobody realize that there is a strange odor in the only episode when Kinzo's body didn't burn?

Don't you think that in term of narrative, it was the perfect way for R07 to put some clues that there was something more to this stench that a burnt body?
He could have made some passing comment or something, but nothing.
So why?

>>5670397
>And it's simply not sure enough, for one the gas has to fill the house completely
If a mansion that size filled completely with gas exploded, there would pretty much be no Rokkenjima left.

I figured the boiler exploded way back in episode 1 are you guys seriously only discussing this now? No wonder you haven't been able to solve anything.

>>5670436
I don't think any windows of the mansion were ever broken, and all the entrances to the building were closed when not in use (which, honestly, opening a door for a few seconds does NOT clear a full mansion of gas by any means).

So what does it all have to do with world peace and Ange?

Did Kinzo have nuclear weapons or something?
The world peace part baffles me.

>>5670481
>>5670436
Episode 3, Shannon's room.

>>5670482
I'd expect kinzo to have one or two

>>5670443

Kinzo

almost all the meta world characters get killed by Bern at the start of the game

>>5670491
>implying rooms don't have doors
>implying every single square foot of the mansion would need to be full of gas to explode

>>5670481
Don't they break a window in the parlor to get to somebody's body (I think it was Shannon) after the First Twilight in one of the first few games?

>>5670482
Say several tons of gold suddenly drops into the world market. Just what sort of effect do you think that would have?

I just finished DL EP6 and everytime i install it, it stops at a certain file. What the hell?

>>5670482
I wouldn't past THAT Kinzo

>>5670510
Was it ten or twenty tons?

People who think Erika = 0 are fucking stupid

Ryukishi07 has said multiple times that EP1-4 have enough info to solve the mystery. Erika was not part of those games. Nothing about Erika has any bearing on the truth. Stop being idiots and denying the obvious. Shkannon is real. Deal with it.

>>5670503
Yes, in EP3.

>>5670516

Don't install, copy-pasta the folder and place all the files "fullsrc" in the main umineko folder

If you want to install, you have to switch your pc to japanese.

>>5670527
No. Erika is an essential part of the truth. Ryukishi07 said it don't bother him about it.

>>5670522

It's like the 20% of the world gold

>>5670543
The very "existence" of Erika, if you want to be more precise.

>>5669992
>>5670004

I love you.

>>5670520

Episode 7, starring Jessitriceion and Richter Belmont.

Is there a collection of Ryukishi07 interviews anywhere? I've only read a few assorted snippets.

>>5670584
His interviews mean nothing, you are much better off just playing the episodes. Like, he knows the fine art of saying alot without really saying anything at all.

>>5669968
http://pastie.org/946937

>>5670544
No, it's much less.

We've mined about 300,000 tons of gold in human history. 10 tons is a lot, as is 20, but it's not 20% of the world's supply of gold. 20 tons isn't even 20% of the amount of Gold the US has.

She said it in red that she is the 18th person -on- the island.
She is vital to the plot, presumebly Battler's sin.

If her true identety is revealed, is the mystery solved? as long as you don't lack love

>>5670595
And it is also the case with the episodes, darling. Yes.

>>5670595
I do, but I hate discussing shit just to have somebody reply with "R07 already confirmed it in an interview which I will neither link to nor quote."

>>5670625
Erika was another guest in all the EPs, but due the storm dies (Except in 5 and 6 due miracle hax).

In other words, another candidate for the gold.

>>5670636
To be exact, he confirmed some kind of explosion or accident occurring on the island. He didn't confirm a high tech time bomb set by Kinzo.

Delusional Beatrice supporters just cling to that in order to justify her murders, making a ridiculous scenario in which Beatrice was trying to save everyone by killing them.

>>5670325
Furniture are roles played by people. Shannon, Kanon, and Genji are all playing versions of themselves, but someone is also playing Beato in addition to themselves, and likewise for Erika.

Battler's count of 17 only includes the real people on the island. Erika's count also includes the characters who aren't direct counterparts to real people, so she's the 18th, and Beato is the 19th.

>>5670645
You were supposed to be able to solve the mystery by episode 1-4.
If Erika is vital, then where were she in episode 1-4 what in episode 1-4 points towards her existence?

>>5669992
>>5670004
I thought something similar to this when I was first reading, but instead of Battler, I figured it was Rudolf. Erika was one of Rudolf's groupies way back when, and started a relationship with him possibly before Kyrie or Asumu came into the picture. Since Rudolf was Rudolf, you can guess what happened next. The body she uses in 1986 might be something Bernkastel prepared, or a version of her younger self (like EVA).

The only way it doesn't make sense is the theater aspect, since Rudolf was never hinted to be involved in theater or drama. (Unless you count liking western films).

>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.
>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.
>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.
>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.
>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.
>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.
>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.


STOP DENYING IT
STOP DENYING IT
STOP DENYING IT
STOP DENYING IT
STOP DENYING IT

>>5670625
Erika is the real piece Beatrice.

>>5670692
Piece Erika, that is, not meta Erika.

>>5670679
Don't forget the cheese

>>5670004

Also, don't forget that Erika's family speculated she was going to Rokkenjima, in her death TIP in EP6, for her Piece on the board. Why would they speculate that? Perhaps they knew her plan to go to Rokkenjima. I pointed this out before as well, before that thread was purged.

>>5670666
But when she introduced herself she added her number to whatever the number was before, thus she would have to be the 19th if it was otherwise 18.

>>5670671
How about trying to look for other people's theory before saying this?
Here, you are lacking the very basis of the Erika ball and every other theory about Erika.
It is not as simple as " She don't exist, bullshit".
Her existence is a hint. So if she shouldn't exist, you should see a problem here.

6 years ago Shannon fell in love with Battler. Battler talked about his "perfect woman."
Battler's sin is forgetting about Shannon and not coming back the next year
Shannon created the Beatrice personality inside herself to be his perfect woman.
Kinzo saw Shannon in Beatrice mode and subjected her to "1000 years" of... well I don't wanna get my post deleted. In this time, Shannon created the "Kanon" personality to help with the pain.
At some point while Shannontrice was being used by Kinzo, she got to see the "Golden Land" aka the secret room with the gold. This room also stores a large bomb, something Kinzo got from his associates after the war. For the sake of consistency, the bomb is also called "Beatrice"

During the family conference, Shannon set the bomb on a timer to go off after the 2nd day. Presumably her plan was to disable it if Battler remembered his sin. This bomb kills everyone that's still alive after each episode's murder game, EXCEPT Eva in episode 3 who discovered the bomb after finding the golden land and got the hell away over to Kuwadorian to escape the blast.

>>5670717
> Shannon created the Beatrice personality inside herself to be his perfect woman.
I don't think it's that simple. Some of the things Kanon and Shannon say during their duel make me think that both of them are creations of the original personality, who may or may not exist anymore.

>>5670707
But if she is doesn't exist or if she is one of the others, then how do you make the numbers 18 and 17 true?

>>5670717
the room with the gold is in kuwadorian you dumbshit

>>5670741
different characters used in this sentence.
In away way, there is something strange about Erika. Just try to remember the last sentences she is saying.

>>5670717
But why kill people?

How can anyone possibly argue that Erika doesn't exist in EP5 and 6? It flat out says in red that she increases the count by one in EP5

Furudo Erika only increases it by one person.

>>5670758
Do we really need to say it?

>>5670706
She specifically said she was the 18th human. Beato is a witch, not a human, so she doesn't take up that slot.

>>5670761
And?

>>5670779
Making it impossible that Erika = 0

>>5670770
I swear to god once Bernkastel interprets me as a bad guy I'm going to kill you both.

>>5670784
Absolutely not. Here, just think about how Shkannon work. there is a way by using Erika in the same way.

>>5670796
There is none actually.
Erika is a +1 to the headcount, she has her own name and body.
It's nothing like ShKanon at all.

>>5670796
Erika was not part of Ep1-4. There's absolutely nothing that hints her existence. EP5 even says in red that

# Furudo Erika had no influence on any of Beato's games before now.
# She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.

People thinking Erika = 0 are just fools that refuse to believe Shkannon.

>>5670803
It is. But believe what you want to.
Shannon and Kanon also add a +1 most of the time.

>>5670817
Yeah, +1 TOGETHER, not +2.

>>5670814
Are you even reading what these theories are saying?
Seriously?

Erika can't be one of the 17, she is confirmed in the future to have been fallen from the boat.

>>5670822
Read again this red. You are missing something.
Or rather, taking something which is not said as said.

>>5670679
IDON'TKNOWWHATTOBELIEVE.jpg

>>5670831
you are confusing the dead Erika and the Erika in the story, which are, in every case, not the same because yes, Erika is dead.

ShKanon = 2 characters, 1 human
Erika is the 18th character
Beato and Battler says there are 17 humans.

>>5670770

... Why are Zepar and Furfur so hot? Look at their legs, oh god. Those legs.

>>To go even further, one could say that all things that appeared after EP5 are not hints, but part of the answer.

Read this complete interview before saying bullshit, please. You know, the part about not giving the tricks because it would no be fair?

>>5670832
I'm not missing anything.
The final red text of episode 6 never talk about how Erika doesn't exist or something.
The final situation between 18 vs 17 people is a false dilema, rather than looking at the numbers, look at the term used.

Erika only talked about the number of visitors, Beato and Battler talked about the number of people on the island, it's very different.

Shannon and Kanon together only count as 1, Erika who is her own person also count as 1.

Happy Birthday, Battler! Too bad you can't celebrate since you're stuck in October!

>>5670770
>>5670848
Lovely legs indeed.

>>5670841
She could have crawled to the island without dying you know.

But why would someone impersonate Erika? The girl the family presumebly knows nothing about that fell from the boat outside in an accident the family most likely doesn't know of at the moment.

>>5670855
You are. And I was talking about the red in ep5.

And by the way, if it is not true, what is Erika talking about in her monologue?

If Erika were a hidden personae of someone on the island, she wouldn't be a "+1 that doesn't change the previous games in any way". Inferring otherwise negates the point of the entire argument, since if we aren't counting extra personalities, how can she call herself the 18th human in red?

The significance of the "18th human" and the "17th person" should make this fairly obvious. But at the same time, it limits Rokkenjima to ONE and ONLY ONE extra personality being categorized as human (personally I would have translated it the other way around but meh).

>>5670876
Why would Erika kill anyone, especially when it kills knox 1?

inb4 " but she is presented in the beginning of ep6". This way pretty much anyone in umineko could be the culprit.

Kyrie is the culprit.

>>5670884
>The significance of the "18th human" and the "17th person"
Translation.

>>5670855
>Erika only talked about the number of visitors
No, she said she was the 18th person/character -on- Rokkenjima.
Beato and Battler said the number of people/humans.

>>5670889
Because she is a player in a RPG game and she wants to win.

>>5670898
Prove it.

>>5670908
She has a boat ticket in her pocket in Episode 3

>>5670770
You know, only just noticed that their clothes kinda look like the Dream C Club uniforms.

We should talk about the meta universe again, like last night in that lamba thread.

>>5670884
I don't even know what to answer to this, you are just taking your own opinion as how the red should be taken. Especially the part about " she wouldn't be a"... bla bla bla.

Instead of this, I will ask you how Erika's existence is supposed to help us to find the truth.
And no, no "Interview = bullshit", almost all of the game is also "bullshit".

>>5670905
I hope that this answer is a joke...

What were the japanese characters Erika and Beatrice/Battler used when they reffered to the numbers now again?

Did Erika really say "18th human" as in the english
translation as of now?

>>5670921
The problem is that this is really interresting, but Ryukishi don't say much ab out it, so the subject will be dead very quickly.

>>5670921
What exactly did you guys talk about? I missed it.

>>5670908
Lambda helped her.

>>5670952
the concept of kakera and meta world, and what witches are really supposed to be, IIRC

>>5670923
Erika, in red: I am the 18th human on the island.

You, in derp speak: SHE DOESN'T EXIST OMG WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS

>>5670821
Oh, Jessica wants no part in that Twilight crap. She spent half the episode commenting on how stupid it was.

>>5670976
Except that human is the other kanji.

>>5670908

>>5670982

>>5670898
If so, then what's Battler's sin and what's the has it got to do with people dying?

>>5670976
To be exact, she realized some particular truth about her existence. Those two statements at the end had something to do with Erika.

As you may remember, she states that she's accepted the truth about herself before she dies.

Which is not to say Shkanontrice isn't true, it is, but by no means should we ignore that Erika realized something crucial about her existence. And before you say it was that she was already dead, she knew that could be a possibility from the beginning.

>>5670999
She's working with Beatrice

>>5670982
It is right?
That's what I thought >>5670933

Lambdadelta is Battler's secret ally.

>>5671018
As far as I remember, yes.
Someone ways saying that the character Erika used was something like "public personnality" but it not not really much clear to me

>>5671012
Is it stupid to believe that the truth about herself was something trivial as "I can now see multiple truths" and then "I now understand what they meant".

Are you sure people aren't overreacting when it comes to Erika's "truth about herself" thing? Erika did manage to make other small things seem larger before, why not now?

Whatever happened to the "Nanjo is a woman" theory?

>>5671048
The guy who made that theory switched over to Shkanontrice.

So yeah. That's how retarded it is.

人目 【ひとめ(P); じんもく】 (n) public gaze; public notice;

this is the kanji Erika is using.


人 【じん】 man; person; people;


This is the one battler and Beato are using.

>>5671048

chrono got tired of trolling.

>>5671021
Until Battler makes Bernkastel cry.

Seriously, /jp/, seriously... are you all fucking stupid? The most amazing hint you got was that despite the island being full of seagulls no one never manages to see one! Now go to google and search seagull. There you go.

>>5671045
When the author says that there is something really important about her no, we are not overreacting.

>>5671012
I think that the thing she realized about herself tied in with her realization of the existence of multiple truths in tandem. I think she finally understood both sides of the story, and that is why she chose the red she did for her final clash with Battler and Beato, since she knew the red they would chose as well.

Basically, her 'concept' being denied was symbolic of her realizing that the Witch of Truth was totally blind to it, and only saw the truth she wanted to.

>>5671054
Shkanon becomes even more obvious.

>>5671045
It's as simple as the fact that this is how Erika leaves. She did not say "I see the truth", and knowing Erika she'd surely say that she figured it out, but she says she's figured out something about herself.

So, no, Erika's last stand might indeed have had something to do with her.

Regardless, Shkanontrice supporters should be quite careful in assuming simplicity for everything not related to Beatrice.. There IS another episode, and I doubt it'll be as simple as clearing up the remaining loose ends.

For example, I myself, while mostly convinced that Sayo is the killer, think that perhaps Shkanontrice may not be the killer. Sure, she has the opportunity, but would Battler break down and become a sorcerer simply because the culprit's motives were love?

I'd be a bit hesitant to assume that.

>>5671089
And why? the 17 person part is the same as always. the other part is an hint for Shkannon, OR for something else.

But yeah, as you want, you can continue to care only about the truth you like most.

>>5671054
人目 does not mean public gaze like that
It was 18人目, that is literally "18th"

>>5671127
It is also the same kanji Beatrice uses in red like
>No more than 17 humans exist on this island!!

You know, when I take a step back and look at things as a whole, this whole conversation is just hilarious.

R07 gets the troll of the year award for sure- in just one Episode he's managed to totally obfuscate the truth while at the same time dangling that same truth right before our eyes.

When we see it we don't want to believe it. When we don't see it we're afraid it doesn't exist. And even if we see it and believe it, that is just one possible truth that we acknowledge among many other existing truths.

And holy shit, Bern is the Game Master of Episode 7. The trolling levels are about to hit a DIVIDE BY ZERO category of insanity.

Shkanonfags, can you stop derailing every thread? Shkanon and especially Shkanontrice has already been denied dozens of different ways using the red but you just twist or ignore it. Not to mention it just doesn't make any fucking sense. This is the 6th episode, you'd think you would have stopped with the retarded small bombs ideas by now. Not like you'll listen to me though.

>>5671127
Every time that "public gaze" nonsense comes up, I want to stab somebody. This is why people who don't know Japanese shouldn't try to translate it.

>>5671178
I'd like to hear your theory. Seriously.

Did she Erika say
人間 or 人目?

Perhaps one should make an actual screen shot.

>>5671169
Yes, episode 7 is going to go to a whole other level of crazy.

I'm rather convinced that the Meta-World never existed, and that Ange is the main character. I don't think she died, truly. That scene with Juuza is sort of like that typical tv drama thing, you know, sort of like in Chuck, you see Agent Casey point a gun at Chuck, and then in the next episode it's revealed that he was just shooting a bad guy behind Chuck.

Episode 6 is, for me, one of the bleakest episodes. Everything and everyone feels so fake.

>>5671178
>Shkanontrice has already been denied dozens of different ways using the red

You're in so much denial that it's pathetic

Why would Ange be dead?

>>5671207
there you go

>>5671242
Because she's fat and had a heart attack.

>>5671246
It must be the hamburgers.

>>5671242
Many assume that because of the text in episode 4(THIS BITCH IS ALREADY DEAD GIVE UP), added on to her dead status, that she's dead.

I don't quite think so. I think that she may be alive. Jessica too perhaps.

>>5671245
18th human of Rokkenjima

pretty much exactly what witch-hunt said

>>5671209
It should have, it was all fake from start to finish. But then again, I'm pretty sure Battler constructed it that way so that Erika would get overconfident and careless in the end.

And I agree about Ange being the one who is responsible for the stories/ is the main character. The way I see it, she's looking for what might be an impossible possibility- a world in which her family comes back.

Now, she knows full well that she'll never see it herself. She's looking for just the possibility of a kakera in which the others survived, so she can tale solace in the fact that the fate of the Ushiromiya family isn't absolute.

>>5671260
I am sorry if my memory is a bit rusty, but where was this said? I don't remember sadly.

While I'm doing it, so no one will ask for this one later.

>>5671293

>>5671296
"it's 17 people"
Probably the vaguest red relating to people on the island we've ever had

>>5671313
Yep. No 'it's 17 people at most' or 'it's 17 people on the island at most'

>>5671313
IIRC there was a whole debate when ep6 comes out about it being contradictory and all of that. This was a great shitstorm.

Whatever the wordplay is here it's probably Japanese based and only the nips can figure it out. And no I don't mean "public gaze"

Japanese is a language that often relies on context, if the context isn't well defined the red witch-hunt translates you may not reflect it.

Reading EP6 makes me want to believe Shkannon.
But damn it, i hate that theory.

Why is Battler listed as dead at the end of ep6?

>>5671401
Then believe that Erika just never existed during it. Erika breaks the 4th wall so badly in episode 6 that I can easily see the 17 people meaning that she never was there in the first place.

>>5671420
the landslide was never prevented.

>>5671420
Officially, he was never confirmed as being alive. The rest of the victims were (at least until Erika killed them...) but Battler's life or death status was last recorded as 'Dead in the first twilight'.

Well, that or Erika killed him after she realized he escaped from the guest room.

>>5671420
Because the game record reflects fantasy scenes, not the truth.

>>5671420
Because he is playing dead and no one ever proved him not to be.
No one believes he is though but that doesn't matter.

>>5671426
Erika breaking the forth wall makes her not exist as much as people seeing magic in other episodes makes them not exist. Which is to say, not at all. It just means that particular thing never happened. When Erika says weird crap like that, does anyone actually respond to her in a way that proves they think she said exactly what she did? Battler looks at her and is like "what", but he doesn't say anything that indicates the specific things she mentioned.

>>5671426
Then how can she be the 18th?
If i get things right the lines at the end doesn't contradict eachother.

when is episode 7 coming out, holy shit, berns the gm? awesome , also will there be more kinzo at least? i miss him..

>>5671503
They don't contradict. The whole GhostErika theory is pretty much a joke someone took far too seriously.

>>5671518
If you don't care about the context, yes, they don't

>>5671515
Assuming there is an Episode 8, Kinzo (or rather Goldsmith) being the Game Master would be pretty epic. Though I kind of suspect that in the final chapter Battler and Beato might be taking up their original positions.

That, or there won't be much/any meta at all. Kind of like how Episode 1 was.

>>5671518
>>joke

Who else thinks the next "when they cry" is going too be about 34s past and what "game" is played in and how she became a witch, I hope is more of a "silent hill"horror. I have a feeling hes going too be doing every type of horror for all his on coming games.

Just a wild guess...
Beatrice created the gameboard's rules.
Lambda knew the rules from the beginning.
Battler discovered the truth and became game master.
Bern is now game master, wich means that now she also knows the truth behind the gameboard.

Who's going to play for the human side since everyone and their mothers already know the truth?

>>5671578
I don't think so. But it would be cool if it was with Lambda.

>>5671580
Ange, of course.

>>5671580

Ange.

>>5671580
The last episode shouldn't have the game aspect at all.

>>5671580
Everyone (including Bern) finally taking pity on Erika and are trying to get her a Good End.

>>5671591
>>5671594
6 years old Ange, solving mysteries while withstanding explosive diarrhea

>>5671544
The funny thing about Episode 1 is that, despite the lack of meta as presented, it's just as much a gameboard as the succeeding ones.

>>5671619
best detective piece so far

>>5671580
Ange, hopefully. She doesn't give a fuck about Beato and will see her as the murderer she is.

The twist being that Ange is going to be trapped in loli-form, thus her cries for sanity will go unanswered.

>>5671619

No, cockface, I mean Meta-Ange. 1998 Ange.

>>5671633
Well duh. But from the spoilers we've already seen, it seems like in Episode 7 Ange is going to be on the island as well. Thus, Meta-Ange is the player, and 6 year old Ange is the piece.

>>5671648

Wait, she is? Where was this spoiler?

Dumb question from a dumb Anon.

Since EP7 is to clarify Featherine's theories, will the two players for the witch and human sides be Bern and Featherine respectively? If not, how are they to convince Battler to go another game after things ended well in EP6?

>>5671688
Because Battler isn't real, most likely.

How could Eva be calling her son fat while at the same time be the only person to make it off the island?

Didn't episode 6's disney ending feel off to you?

>>5671619

Oh why i lol'ed

>>5671660
I've lost the link, but I'm sure someone here has it.

It's a pretty broad assumption from one of the early spoiler images we've seen, in which Natsuhi is telling Gohda to consult with Kyrie before making someone who is ill some porridge. The assumption being that it is Ange, since why else would he consult Kyrie, and we know Ange was sick at the time.

I wonder if ange will get a new loli sprite, if her scenes will be viewed from 1st person perspective or if they'll use the same school uniform sprite (she was supposed to be what, 12 by the time that sprite was first used?)

>>5671648

The spoilers where fake

>>>5671716
>Implying that scene isn't Battler birth.

>>5671733
...You don't get someone porridge when a baby is born. You get them to a hospital.

>>5671733
So Battler is only 3 years old? Because that's how long Gohda has worked for Natsuhi..

>>5671708
>Because Battler isn't real

Actually, this might be true. He's never once mentioned in the opening bits of Ep2 even when it would be relevant.

>>5671762
> He's never once mentioned in the opening bits of Ep2 even when it would be relevant.
...Because he was completely out of contact with anyone in the family besides Rudolf, Kyrie, and Ange, and even then he didn't stay in contact with them very much? Hell, neither Kyrie nor Rudolf nor Ange were mentioned at all in the first bits of Episode 2 either.

>>5671762
I meant more in the aspect of Meta-Battler not being real. I think it's on record that a ginger named Battler existed.

The love trial was a farce as far as Shannon/Kannon deciding who to fall in love with. In the past few episodes, Kannon is shown as distant towards Jessica, while Shannon obviously is more intimate with George. In a way, the Kannon=0 theory seems valid in that Kannon's identity could be fabricated by Shannon as a cover-up for committing murders, much like hiding behind the Beatrice myth in order to fool others into thinking that a witch committed the murders.

>>5671580
battlers real mom,

>>5671810

But even the cousins, who were CLOSE to him, never bring him up.

It's like after he left he ceased to exist.

...I wonder. Could Battler have died six years ago?

>>5671857
I don't think dying can be considered a sin.

>>5671857
Well, Maria wouldn't have remembered Battler, we never see loli Ange interacting with any of the cousins besides Maria, and George+Jessica don't interact all that much in the beginning of Episode 2 either. We never really see stuff that would cause them to bring up Battler.

>>5671891
coming back might.

But really? You guys're still theorizing that the real Battler died 6 years ago? Really?

>>5671648
This seems possible, especially after the final Ange scene in EP6's tea party. Either that or we'll have a straight gameboard perspective ala EP1.

Time for a new thread guys, this ship is sinking.

Will battlers real mom (forgot her name) show up?, I mean i think shes so far one of the biggest mysteries in the vn

>>5671067
I noticed this too in the manga.

>>5670004

More people need to appreciate this.