As adaptions of the original works, which one do you find less of a crime: Deen's adaption of Higurashi or its adaption of Umineko, /jp/? Personally I think Higurashi was a bit more faithful to the original, though I haven't finished all the VNs yet.

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Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:42:14 2010 No.5632151 [Reply] [Original]

As adaptions of the original works, which one do you find less of a crime: Deen's adaption of Higurashi or its adaption of Umineko, /jp/?

Personally I think Higurashi was a bit more faithful to the original, though I haven't finished all the VNs yet.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:44:14 2010 No.5632161

You can't ask a studio to turn shit into gold.
The anime of Umineko was bad because the source material is pure shit, the adaptation is largely fine despite a couple of spots, especially toward the end.

The adaptation of Higurashi is just shitty though, they did unspeakable things to Meakishi and Tatarigoroshi, which is a shame since they are actually good VNs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:44:14 2010 No.5632157 I didn't watch umineko, but >Higurashi was a bit more faithful to the original Are you kidding me?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:45:14 2010 No.5632166 >The anime of Umineko was bad because the source material is pure shit 0/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:45:14 2010 No.5632169 Reported for /a/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:45:14 2010 No.5632165 >>5632157 Well, more faithful != completely faithful. It's less of a butcher than their seacats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:46:14 2010 No.5632174 the anime of Umineko wasnt even that terrible. higurashi was butchered alot more because they squashed all of the question arcs, and two answer arcs into 24 episodes. Umineko anime just lacked the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:46:14 2010 No.5632178 >>5632166 It's not trolling if it's true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:46:14 2010 No.5632181 >>5632169 This is from the viewpoint of the VNs and the people who have played them, so I think this is /jp/ material.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:47:14 2010 No.5632184 >>5632178 "I never read the VN" YOU, back to /a/, please.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 05:48:14 2010 No.5632189

Higurashi had some excuses. DEEN didn't expect it to have the reception that it did and only planned to make one season. Kai then got R07 on board to supervise and executive produce it so that they could wrap it up nicely, hence the improvement in character designs.

Umineko, hot on the trails of Higurashi and knowing they have a popular franchise, blew their huge budget on the character designs and voice talent. Too bad the writing and directing was crap and they dropped the ball.

Higurashi is an acceptable failure in context. Umineko has no excuses for its failure. While you can't please everyone with adaptations, Umineko failed to please anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:49:14 2010 No.5632193 >>5632174 Even the game lacks atmosphere though, only episode 1 had it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:50:14 2010 No.5632199 >>5632184 I've read EP1-5, and my opinion doesn't change that they're shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:50:14 2010 No.5632198 >>5632189 More like DEEN didn't have much of budget for the anime of Umineko since it's not even close to being a big franchise like Higurashi.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:51:14 2010 No.5632205 Reported.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:52:14 2010 No.5632210 Higurashi

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 05:52:14 2010 No.5632211

>>5632174

Allow me to reiterate. Higurashi was an unexpected hit. Nobody expected that it would become so popular. If you look at the first season out of context and without knowing that a second season and series of OVA's were made, it's perfectly fine as a standalone. Then they realized that what they made was popular, and at the same time, absolute shit. So Ryukishi07 got on board and helped the story go in the direction he wanted it to go. The additional arc was made to fill in plot holes that the first standalone series never addressed so people wouldn't be confused later on. The last two answer arcs had a good adaptation.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:53:14 2010 No.5632219

>>5632193
actually, that is true when i think about it. the only other times where I thought the "feeling" of a scene lacked was Rosa, Maria vs goats, it was alot more dramatic in the VN.

its sad how people hail Umineko as the best thing to ever be written. It is shit. ive read all 6 EPs. I just want to know the answers behind everything. but its still undeniably shitty. if Ryu just went 'fuck it' and put all these unnecessaryelements into it. now he's acting like a dick to his readers in his own self-insertion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:53:14 2010 No.5632220 protip: DEEN didn't fuck up umineko, the source material was just too shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:54:14 2010 No.5632226 >>5632220 >the source material was just too shit. 0/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:55:14 2010 No.5632232 Even if you hate Umineko its impossible to say that Deen stayed faithful to the VN.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:56:14 2010 No.5632240 Higurashi wasn't faithful at all, but it was entertaining. Umineko was just shit from start to finish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:56:14 2010 No.5632243 >>5632211 it blows my mind how season one contained 6 arcs in 24 episodes. and the second season contained THREE acrs in the same number of episodes. it was so slow.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 05:57:14 2010 No.5632248
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>>5632189
>blew their huge budget on the character designs
Yet they didn't even manage to keep the character's eyes the right colour. I was really disappointed to see that every other character had the eye colour that symbolises being a witch in the games.

Pic related, Shannon is so much less delicious with those boring, grayish-blue eyes.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 05:59:14 2010 No.5632261

>>5632199

Fact: your opinion is not a fact, and anyone who believes such is a fool.

Umineko is popular and functions well as a story, but it's not the best piece of literature to come out within the past 20 years by any stretch. It manages to entertain and captivate its audience; a work that can provide such immersion and provoke thought is not shit, but that doesn't mean it's good.

>>5632198

I'm saying that DEEN had built a name as a good adapter of R07's works, particularly with Kai and Rei. It built up a good amount of money for their latest acquisition, Umineko, and hired actual voice talent who people know and recognize. It seems ALL their budget went into that since the atmosphere fell flat...or Chiaki Kon is just a lousy director and should not be allowed to touch Umineko Chiru if it gets adapted.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:00:14 2010 No.5632268

>>5632220

DEEN fucks up everything it touches. They tried to remain faithful to the mystery while ignoring the characters and losing what everyone loved about it. They marketed Jessica as the main character. They made Maria a lot creepier than they needed to. They removed any trace of Beato/Battler. They had no idea what they were doing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:01:14 2010 No.5632274 BEABATTO IS SO KAWAI BUT DEEN RUINED IT, IT'S MY OTP

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:02:14 2010 No.5632282 >>5632261 Chiaki Kon ruined two seasons of Nodame. She can ruin anything.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:13:14 2010 No.5632353 Higurashi actually has a much worse adaptation. Umineko has a better adaptation but because the source material is so much worse than Higurashi's the anime is also worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:19:14 2010 No.5632376 >>5632161 What unspeakable things?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:20:14 2010 No.5632381 >>5632376 You will see if you played the games. It was far, far worse than anything DEEN did to Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:21:14 2010 No.5632390 >>5632381 I did play the games... I know they left stuff out, But what exactly was so unspeakable about it?

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:25:14 2010 No.5632415

>As adaptions of the original works

I don't really give a fuck. But I can say that when it started, Higurashi was the best horror anime in ages. Later it shat all over itself. I've allowed myself to be told that the horror angle was actually Deen's own choice/emphasis, but that was the only good thing in fucking Higu so good for them.

I believe that a truly good adaptation should be _better_ than the original.

Umineko's VNs I have read. The anime feels rushed and I'm not convinced it's solvable (unless every scene they removed was a giant red herring). On the other hand, the VNs are too slow. I'd rate the anime maybe one star lower than the VNs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:27:14 2010 No.5632419 >>5632390 The fact that they cut out the entire ending of Tatarigoroshi, which was a huge clue for the mystery, was pretty bad.

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Anonymous Mon Jul 12 06:35:14 2010 No.5632451

ITT We dont like Umineko because of Shkanontrice and thusly call the source shit

As for the answer to your question OP,Higurashi was less of a crime. It atleast could market itself as a tolerable anime on its own and it brought Ryukishi some more attention. The Umineko anime couldnt even stand on it's own. Even without the viewer reading the source material they were still able to point out things that just didnt flow right.

EX: Battler saying that Beatrice can be fun at times yet in the anime she quite literally trolls him non-fucking-stop

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 07:19:14 2010 No.5632704

>>5632419

Irrelevant to the end of the first season.

How many times does it need to be said that Higurashi S1 was done without the expectation that it would be renewed? The mystery at the end of that particular didn't matter within the context of the first season alone. It mattered with regards for the whole series, but DEEN wasn't aiming for that. Apparently, Chiaki did SOMETHING right for Higurashi to be renewed in the first place...

Or maybe it was just lolis, lolis everywhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 07:23:14 2010 No.5632722 the visual novel version of meakashi-hen (the shion arc) was alot more emotional and sad, since it was narrated by Shion you knew everything what she was feeling. you can't do that in an anime very well.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 07:24:14 2010 No.5632726

>>5632451

>trolls him non-stop

Happens in the VN too, but is far more subtle. Beato stayed true to her VN persona. Battler was rendered hopelessly incompetent. In the VN, you could see them fighting and there is obvious subtext considering it's far less one-sided with Battler getting enthusiastic and wanting more of a challenge in Beato's game.

What really did a lot of people in is the ending of the series. Battler is supposed to be sympathetic towards Beato and regretting his attacks. The anime just makes him out to be a complete jackass.

What's really bad about that is the preview for the last episode makes people think that the ending will actually be good. The previews were the best parts of that show since they threw in a lot of humor while keeping everything in-character.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 07:26:14 2010 No.5632743

>>5632722

That's a problem with the medium, not the adaptation. Unless you want to bog down the series with a bunch of soliloquies, you have to leave out a good amount of introspective narration. Very few series manage to do the whole "dramatic introspective thinking" thing very well, so I think it would be better to just not risk it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 07:27:14 2010 No.5632751 Battler had no personality in the anime. that is the thing that bugged me most. only in the first episode of the anime they showed you a bit of his true personality, but never went back on it again.

>>	Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 07:29:14 2010 No.5632761 >>5632751 Waste of talent. Daisuke Ono could have done so much more with that character had the writing staff done a bit better fleshing him out in the script.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 07:33:14 2010 No.5632785 >>5632704 >It butchers the original story, but it's ok because they intentionally did it. No, that doesn't work.

Bern !FAGetWqs1I Mon Jul 12 07:41:14 2010 No.5632824

>>5632785

I didn't say that. Actually quote when using the quote function.

Here, think about it this way. Imagine if there had been no second season of Higurashi, and you hadn't read the VN's to know how bad the original story was (and I doubt you would have read them before the anime hit anyway.) Would that ending have served any purpose at all? No, it would have been deemed as useless filler with no relation to the series at all, just adding more questions.

Keep in mind that everything regarding the genocide had been cut out for the most part during the season. Having that information suddenly appear wouldn't be relevant in the least.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 07:47:14 2010 No.5632860

>>5632824
That's nice, but we've been discussing which has the better adaptation, not which is a better standalone anime. So cutting out vital pieces of the plot is relevant regardless of the circumstances. Even putting that aside, planning to do an incomplete adaptation of an ongoing series of VNs with an overarching mystery is fucking stupid and I have every right to fault Deen for that.

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