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jesus christ, if I see another thread about umineko again...

>>5627561
And You Sure WILL

Where can I download ep 5 and 6, /jp/?

>>5627782
Kazaa

>>5627795
Sorry.. but what's that?

>>5627782

Part 1 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JJLC1IVZ))
Part 2 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XKBKMXQO))
Part 3 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NWT4H77U))
Part 4 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1W8GOHSL))
Part 5 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1WRZK0KC))
Part 6 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BOOAWARE))
Part 7 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1GKB0GBK))
Part 8 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K575UDUO))
Part 9 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=08WJ1SKN))

>>5627830
Thank you~~ do you have part 5 too?

>>5627869
should be included
i am not finished downloading so i cant confirm

>>5627874
Ah, okay. downloading part one right now. EP7 was released recently? kinda new to this.

>>5627891
releases every comiket, august and december, so no, next month.

>>5627905
Aha.. okay.. thanks for being so helpful ^~^

Wow, /jp/ actually being helpful for once?

>>5627909
>^~^
no.emoticons.ever.
Only acceptable ;_;

>>5627931
so ronery ;_;

>>5627931
how about ・ω・?

^____^

bamp

>>5627874
Is it included?

HNNG

So, suddenly, LD's past. What the fuck happened?

>>5629638

my memory is a little fuzzy, but where the fuck is kinzo? I cant remember, did he die in ep5?, If so i though that was just a piece...

>>5629932
He has never once been alive during the events of the story.

>>5629946
Well, i mean , him just being there, i guess...

>>5629692
>>5629638
Higurashi and the endless travels through kakera.
Hanyuu would be the game master with no goal and mind and the two sides would be Bern/Rika, Lambda/Takano

>>5627429

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>>5629983
wait,so your saying Hanyuu was the real evil this whole time?

also, after finally reading all of episode 6 I agree with the original foreword as you are selecting to read it in the opening screen.

its practically a confession. anyone who doesn't understand 90% of umineko after reading it is an idiot.

>>5630002
Hanyuu being Featherine in Umineko.
Yeah thats what it looks like.

Any thoughts on what the relationship between Beatrice the Elder and the Human Beatrice has?

The only solution I can come up with is a Shannontrice theory.

What is the name of the Blonde person and the Golden eyed man again?

>>5630004
I wouldn't say 90%...more like 70%.

There's still a lot of weird shit going down, I think we still only have a part of the big picture.

>>5630022

Unconfirmed. Most believe they are Dine and Phillo Vance, but don't know for sure.

>>5630013
thats pretty much accepted now isnt it?
especially with the closing red text:
Big spoilers, you have been warned.
We're very sorry, but even if we welcome you, the number of people is seventeen.
that AND
the fact that, if you look back to when the original conversation occured, Battler was describing his "perfect girl" to Shannon, and Beatrice is the personification of that girl. So Shkanontrice stands.ITs why they are all furniture, and why only one pair may have a complete and fulfilling love while the other two couples will never find it.

>>5630031

I think we understand a big part of it, but it would be foolish to assume that we grasp the whole picture.

Say that we understand the truth behind Beato now, sure. But that's not time to stop thinking.

So guys.
How many of you are taking this seriously?
I can make Kanon disappeared because I can change my personality to Shannon at will.

No matter how stupid I think this is, this is the only loophole and explanation to get around the logic error.
Stupid Erika should have shot the whole room instead of just the closet.

>>5630057
Bingo.

So the Elder, then, is the original idea of Beatrice from Kinzo, and the Beatrice Battler created was an ideal of that Beatrice from Shannon, who used it as a tool to love Battler so she could love George.

And at some point in those 6 years, something caused SHANNON-Beatrice to make the illusion of the witch real, culminating in the murders of 1986.

But then, what's the origin of Beatrice the Elder? I wonder...

>>5630051
its most of the problem though, just like Battler was saying before, most of the murders/loopholes can be explained with Beato/Shannon/Kannon being the killer/master planner.

The only things left would be, why does everyone die at the end of the 2nd day (lol bomb theory), where the original gold to kinzo came from, and where it is hidden now (which as english readers we probably wont find out because its a japanese riddle/wordgame)

Umineko better end with Bern waking up in Hinamizawa, freaking the fuck out and engaging in wacky antics with the after-school activities club for all eternity.

>>5630094

>bomb theory
>theory

"The Rokkenjima Explosion that happened shortly after..:" - Tips

>>5630128
I was laughing more at the ridiculousness of it all, but then comes the questions who and why did they set the bomb.

I have to say, at once this episode made me believe in Shkanontrice and hate Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice.

They ARE willing to kill everyone for a fucking stupid reason, I mean goddamn, if you didn't find Shannon and Kanon's speech during their duel ominous as fuck you have no soul.

Three people being in love with the same person NEVER ends well, even MORE SO when the person in question will or wants to KILL THEM.

Goddamn it, the Golden Witch needs to die. This farce of a relationship needs to end, and the illusion that murder makes everything better must cease.

I haven't exactly paid attention to Umineko since around the time Mega Man 10 came out. Anyone care to recap what happened between then and now?

>>5630165
Beatrice is a good guy!

Except she's not, she's Shannon, who is Kanon, and the murderer.

But she did it for love!

That... makes her the good guy?

Apparently?

>>5630149
my theory on this being:

Kinzo instructed the servants to use it to kill the family during the meeting. Kuwadorian being the location of the gold would be safe from the explosion, so anyone in it would be safe and be able to stop the twilights from happening or continue it at their own discretion. So technically if one finds the gold they can choose to save the family by moving them all to kuwadorian, or continue the twilights using the servants, as the new Ushiromiya heir.

>>5630094

I disagree. I think that the motive we've been given is shaky and incomplete, and doesn't satisfactorily explain the Meta-world.


Or to put it more in the context of Higurashi, Shkannon is like H-syndrome, which explained most of the major mysteries of Higurashi, but was actually more of a keystone to solving the real mystery of who kills Rika and destroys Hinamizawa.

Shkannon is the same, in that it explains Beatrice, but leaves many questions regarding the actually mystery we've been examining. I guess I think this because I still doubt that Beatrice is the real mastermind. But it's not entirely unreasonable.

Or maybe Episode 7 really is the last one and this is pretty much our answer arc before the finale.

>>5630177
Anyway to see this is that Kanon/Shannon is the bad guy. Beatrice was a tool used by them to mask their murders. Thus Beato making the game is a way to make Battler notice this.

Anyway it is getting too ridiculous now. It is even worse than the shit that Higurashi threw at us. I will continue reading hoping that ep6 is a fucking red herring and they are fiction created by featherinne.

>>5630184
I don't know man. Destroy Everything, Revive Everything, along with Shannon and Kanon being pumped that everyone is going to die because of the sins of the Father....

It sucks, I hate it, but Shkanontrice is a killer, for a motive that personally I think is retarded, but Battler seems cool with it. Being retarded like he is.

>>5630180

But how does that explain the killings themselves?

And I don't buy that all of the servants (or even just Genji and Shkannon) would have really killed everyone and themselves for Kinzo's sake.

>>5630160
>>5630177
I for one would love my waifu who suffers from severe DID

>>5630177
Another way to see this is that Kanon/Shannon is the bad guy. Beatrice was a tool used by them to mask their murders. Thus Beato making the game is a way to make Battler notice this.

Anyway it is getting too ridiculous now. It is even worse than the shit that Higurashi threw at us. I will continue reading hoping that ep6 is a fucking red herring and they are fiction created by featherinne.

>>5630211

This is also why I believe that Shkannon is more like H-syndrome than Takano being the killer.

H-syndrome was also a pretty crappy plot device, but it ended up being used well to explain Takano and the Yaminu.

If we think of Shkannon being the answer for everything then this is all kind of dumb, I get that, and agree.

If Shkannon is the first step to a greater solution, then we can use it effectively.

>>5630210
>>5630208
remember the letters at the beginning before the first twilight? begging the family to solve the riddle of the epitaph? the murders are to bring credibility to the riddle in that they will all die unless they solve it, and the riddle is used to determine the new heir.

Also you find it hard to believe that people who had spent their whole lives being raised by kinzo would be willing to die for his wishes? Shannon/Kanon and Genji have both been under Kinzo for the majority of their lives remember?

>>5630227
Yeah, but remember, Beatrice's soul got absorbed by Shannon in the duel. So BEATRICE AND KANON'S SOUL WERE BOTH ABSORBED BY SHANNON. There's really not too much else that could mean.

I hate every last one of them. Oh, right, you're smart enough to be a mastermind with locked rooms(to be frank, she really ISN'T, once you realize that Shannon is Kanon, but the narration tells us she is), but not smart enough to realize that MURDERING YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY IS BAD.

Battler's "sin" is retarded. He was twelve years old. You murder 16 people in something akin to a forced suicide pact because you got rejected by a twelve year old? You petty bitch!

>>5630243
Even when the epitagh got solved, everyone still dies.

Which is to be expected, finding the gold doesn't magically make you realize that there is a bomb.

And YES, yes I DO expect that Shannon would not kill her innocent friends for Kinzo, moreso when Kinzo has been dead for over a year.

>>5630251
to rip off of some of the older /jp/ theories, he was only part of the problem, I'm willing to bet Kinzo saw Shannon/Kanon dressed up as Battler's perfect girl, thought it was his Beatrice from his youth, and started to swoon over her and subjected her to sexual abuse for six years that felt like 1000 years to her. until he finally died of natural causes. I imagine thats the reason why she hates yet loves Battler, she blames him for what happened to her.

>>5630208
I think you're being a bit reckless in calling them the killer.

Or in calling them Beatrice.

Jessica is much more likely to be Beatrice.

In Ep4, Kanon dies 9th, in Red. Battler finds Shannon's corpse in the place where his should be.

George dies at some point later. This is witnessed by Jessica. She tells Battler about it over the phone.

Jessica, then states that she will be killed by being hit in the head.

After all this takes place, Battler has a conversation with Beatrice on the Balcony. Where he is asked about his sin, he cannot respond to it. Beatrice leaves and says she has no hope.

This Beatrice is Jessica. After this, she poisons Maria, telling her that they will all wake up in the Golden Land. She then goes to her room, locks the door behind her, and, similar to Judge Warren from And Then There Were None, she rigs a device to shoot herself in the head, committing a suicide that looks like a murder. This leaves Battler the last person on the island.

See the attached death notice.

>>5630251
>Battler's "sin" is retarded. He was twelve years old. You murder 16 people in something akin to a forced suicide pact because you got rejected by a twelve year old? You petty bitch!

I think you're jumping to conclusions here. If Battler's sin really was something so stupid, he wouldn't act like he does now (accepting Beato and apologizing to her). Even Ange remarks how it's strange, there's something else going on with this.

>>5630287
to add to this, it explains Beato's casual dress when she was walking around the mansion, which had little to do with the original portrait.

>>5630279
I bet the bomb is hinted at in part of the epitaph that we couldnt understand. Eva probably understood it in the 3rd game, and let everyone else die, or it was too late for her to go back to save everyone by the time she solved the riddle, it IS really far out remember (like an hr walk I believe they said?)

>>5630287
Which is silly. First off, it's not Battler's fault that Kinzo is an asshole. Second off, more importantly, the idea of Kinzo raping Sayo doesn't quite make a ton of sense. Kinzo was a dying old man at least two and a half years prior to the start of the game.

If he could have been Mr. Raper guy, he wouldn't have had a long timespan to do it.

Third off, she had not one, but two people who cared for her very much to the same extent, if not more, than Battler did. George and Jessica.

The mass murderer's problems are her own.

Beato is a good girl.
She was used as a tool by the murderers. She doesnt exist on the gameboard.

>>5630306
I thought you were under the impression that Jessica was the other Battler?

And I want to believe you, I do. But episode 6 makes that more or less impossible.

>>5630323

I caught that too. This is clearly some form of love letter for Beato, but if it was just that, then Ange is right that Battler's feelings shouldn't have changed so completely.

Which either means something really really bad happened to Beato.

Or Beato didn't really murder his family.

>>5630367
She has memories of Shota-Battler on Rokkenjima, your theory is (sadly) invalid.

>>5630371

Episode 6 makes Jessitrice impossible, at least in the sense we're talking about.

But Jessiculprit is still open for debate.

>>5630287
Sexual abuse is definitely alluded to very strongly. Particularly sexual abuse where Kinzo is the most likely the perpetrator.

Rosa's memories of being locked in a dark room that replay during her encounter with Maria/Sakutaru.
Natsuhi's alleged Sexual Relationship with Kinzo at the Fourth Game.
Constant scenes of Kinzo/Beatrice in the metaverse.
The Real Beatrice's Balcony conversation.

It could be Shannon.
It could also be Jessica.

Jessica is in a very vulnerable position. Kinzo wanted an Heir, he made Natsuhi raise Jessica, a daughter that was not hers. Neither Krauss nor Natsuhi seem particularly close to Jessica and if they were essentially forced to raise her for the inheritance, they may have grown to resent her. Her only real person to protect and defend her would have been Kinzo and the Servants. Kinzo, if a rapist, could have preyed upon this.

So when he dies, it is half a blessing for Jessica-- she is no longer his sexual servant.
It is also half a curse for Jessica. She now has no protection from Krauss and Natsuhi.

This is why Beatrice is referred to by Bern as a pawn that can become a queen-- she is an accomplice to the murders, and her Beatrice persona is high-jacked as the cause. She is forced to participate but in Game 2 and in Game 4 she manages to become the Queen by killing off everyone else.

>>5630396
How? I saw a lot of evidence for it.

>>5630383
I'm hoping for the latter. Hopefully episode 7 will clear this up, because episode 6 just served to make me extremely uncomfortable.

After seeing this, I think Nanjo is Beatrice.

>>5630397

I don't know if I believe this, but I can support this with the fact that Jessica was hiding Kinzo's death while we're given no solid evidence to believe that her parents told her about it.

>>5630397
>he made Natsuhi raise Jessica, a daughter that was not hers.

Wait...how is Jessica not Natsuhi's daughter?

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Well, with Jessica, there is the troubling pattern of her being one of the people not to narrate to us in some form or ever go on a talk about her past.

But at this point in time, I can't quite place her anywhere. And besides, in Beatrice's flashback it's made clear that she, Beatrice, is not Jessica.

>>5630403

The backstory we're given for Beatrice doesn't make sense for Jessica.

Beatrice The Elder is clearly a personification of the myth of Beatrice that spread among the Servants. This is the Beatrice that gave Shanon the broach.

I want to believe in Jessitrice, but I don't think it's valid anymore.

>>5630418
I'm also curious of this. Though I could believe it because it was alluded to with the foreshadowing of how hard it was for Natsuhi to conceive.

>>5630418
Apparently Natsuhi can't conceived.
What is /jp/ take on the mysterious caller for game5?
The other 3siblings ganging up on Natsuhi only to be killed by LOLSHKanon?

>>5630418
Think he's operating under Jessica being the other Battler, which does have some weight to it.

>>5630448
you mean Asumu's kid that was supposedly dropped?

>>5630456
Not the kid from 19 years ago.

The kid from 19 years ago =/= Asumu's child.

Battler is 18, after all.

What the hell were the knocks on the door at episode 5?
Maybe they really heard knocks on the door, but they happened in a different place?

>>5630447

Episode 5 is strange for a number of reasons. Considering there was most likely a random plot by the family in that game unrelated to the rest of the episodes (Thanks to the massive Troll of a GM that is Lambda) we can't take anything for granted in this one.

>>5630448
Natsuhi did have a difficult time conceiving, but its nearly impossible for a baby switch to occur between Jessica and Battler.

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>>5630468

Weren't they all lying in ep. 5?

Look at the bright side guys.

Things could be much, much worse.

>>5630468
That didnt happened.
Magic exists because people think that magic exists ie they lie about it. The whole setting for episode5 are them playing dead and ganging up on Natsuhi and friends to get them to reveal Kinzo life status.
However the "real murderer" got wind of this and murder them with Natsuhi as the scapegoat.

>>5630477
There was no switch.

Theory on the Two Battlers
------------------------------------
Battler1 is Rudolf's son Battler, born from Kyrie and Rudolf.
Battler2 is Rudolf's daughter Jessica, born from Asumu and Rudolf.

Rudolf had promised Kyrie that their child would be raised with the Family Name. Natsuhi did not have an heir and needed a daughter. When Rudolf brought the problem to the attention of Kinzo, Kinzo had Natsuhi agree to raise the child to produce an heir.

EP5 white text confession was, as Battler said, useless. There are several interpretations of what happened to the Servant That Fell From The Cliff. The one in Lambda Delta's game was a hint, but not an actual answer. Ep2 may be closer to the truth.

So:

Rudolph then without the knowledge of Asumu, passes off their daughter into Natsuhi and Krauss.
Rudolph then without the knowledge of Kyrie, passes off Battler to Asumu, and raises Battler as his own son.

Rudolph worries that he will be killed as he is the only person outside of Kinzo, Natsuhi, Krauss, and Kinzo that knew the truth. This is because of the Inheritance. This is also why Natsuhi is identified in Ep6 as one of Battler's enemies by Beatrice.

>>5630479
It says in red that they all "heard" the knocks and there's no way they could mistake it with any other sound.
But i'm not too sure if the "heard" means the same thing we think it does.

>>5630477
A switch of some kind DID happen, though.

And I can explain the switch. Blue baby syndrome. Asumu's Battler was born blue, it was presented to Kyrie, explained or misunderstood as a miscarriage, and then it lived after all.

>>5630479

I still think that the clocks were wrong in episode 5.

Just because, you know. Troll GM.

But more likely, everyone lied about it.

The real question is, what happened when Hideyoshi was murdered, and why didn't anyone reveal what was going on at that point.

And why did the supposed bomb still go off?

The cause of the entire Rokkenjima incident was desire.

So does the story make up for the art?

We just gotta stop the maid, stop the bomb, and then have a nice cup of tea and wait for this whole thing to blow over.

Not too hard, really.

>>5630510
>And why did the supposed bomb still go off?

Because Natsuhi was taken as the culprit and nobody discovered how to set it off.

>>5630535

It used to. Who knows now.

>>5630502
...But we never see Rudolph interacting that much with Jessica at all to suggest that she's possibly his daughter. He would then have to keep track of Asumu, Kyrie and Natsuhi's due dates.

>>5630502

Wow. Well done theory with no holes that I can see.

HEY HEY SAYO

YOU KNOW WHAT'S COOL? NOT KILLING PEOPLE YOU CLAIM TO LOVE. THAT"S LIKE REALLY AWESOME, YOU SHOULD TRY IT ONE OF THESE DAYS.

Is Battler really being 19 important?

>>5630535
Nope.
Umineko enjoyment has been going downhill due to shitty revelation and absurb plot twist by the author.
It is the opposite of Ever17 where the revelation mindfucked but instead in Umineko, we need to suspend our belief and take the stupidity as the truth.
Like what Lambda said, it is turning into fantasy.

>>5630536
Save the Meido, save the world.

But no, I do not think that Shannon is the culprit. I think she is likely being coerced by George who remains the creep.

In Ep6, they talk about how Marriage is one of the ultimate forms of imprisonment. I think a lot of that alludes to George.

Also, in EP2, when Shannon leaves with the Servants, George goes with them.

Wolf and Sheep Puzzle. He's a wolf and he needs to watch over her and make sure that everything goes as planned.

what if shannon and kanon were cars, and that's their big secret: the whole point of the love duel was to determine who drives. also they both have steering wheels on their backs and can turn into cars.

If Kanon = Shannon.

Does that mean Jessica's been dyking out? :3

>>5630561

Aren't they talking about Beato there...

>>5630578
its win/win either way isnt it?

>>5630553

I don't see Rudolph as the openly sentimental type, particularly in regards to something this fickle and dangerous.

And though it may be unlikely, we know something that something along these lines probably occured. It's not even too unbelievable if you think that Asumu was in on it.

>>5630570

fund it.

Umineko - Psychopathic Maids, Overly Merciful Gingers, and Bombs.

>>5630502
iirc Kyrie mentioned that both babies were boys. A part of me doubts that Kinzo would listen to Rudolph, Natsuhi said the baby was brought in from his orphanage...that's probably why (her delusion of) Beatrice had such a disdainful look on her face as she made the connection.

>>5630578
See, this is why the Moon-chan shit started.

Yes, yes it does mean Jessica is a lesbian.

>>5630502
If you're saying that all the fights of episode 6 twilights were against "enemies" then why Rosa and Maria are Kanon and Shannon's enemies?
"Everyone are their enemies" won't work for me.

>>5630553
As part of the arrangement, Rudolph is not allowed to tell Jessica.

Were the family to know, Rudolph would then have Two Claims on the inheritance.

>>5630553

EP6 Kyrie and Asumu have the same Due Date.

>>5630570

I wouldn't put it past ryukishi07

>>5630603
I heard its really hard to lie.
Especially to someone who you are telling had a still birth so you could take the child and give it to someone else.

Okay, I'm finally at the duel where Shannon and Kanon are practically confirmed to be the same person by Furfur and Zepar. This has all the subtlety of a freight train going at full speed.

How much more do I have left to finish?

>>5630570
Makes as much sense as everything else.

>>5630563

Alot of people say this when they think they've got everything figured out, but the story is by and large really good, and the direction the story is going is still unclear.

And even if the whole does end up worse because of the twist, it still has many worthwhile moments.

>>5630603
>A part of me doubts that Kinzo would listen to Rudolph

Kinzo will definitely NOT hear Rudolph.
The only way it could have happened is if Kinzo was the one to propose it.

>>5630632
>This has all the subtlety of a freight train going at full speed.
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
I love you anon.

You're almost done, keep pushing. Maybe 2 hours left tops.

>>5630630
And yet, lie he did. Unless Battler's mother is someone else, god help us.

>>5630632
1-2hours depend on how fast you read.

>>5630623
The others did not offer the same explanation for their choices that Beatrice did.

Beatrice alone states that she went for an enemy.

>>5630619

Hooray!

Turning out to be a yandere lesbian would probably save her character from being boring and generic.

Episode 6 - How I learned to stop worrying, and love serial murder.

>>5630658
She's more like a tsundere lesbian. Or perhaps a lesbian so secret even she doesn't know she's a lesbian.

>>5630645
That's exactly how I believe it happened.

Rudolph, now having produced an illegitimate child, runs to his Dad. He promised Kyrie the child would be entered in the family register.

Kinzo thinks about the problem. He does not want an illegitimate kid in the family, so he finds a way to legitimize it.

That way is by forcing the child on Natsuhi and Krauss.

You are now fully aware that Jessica is a dyke, and how awesome this makes her.

>>5630630
I see what you're getting at but that's not what I mean. Kyrie can be lied to and the hospital can be bribed, but you can't simply lie about the baby being dead without the mother checking. It's like Battler checking a body to see whether it's dead or alive.

What I'd to know is exactly what Kyrie's birth circumstances were though. Did she have a natural birth or was it a C-section?

>>5630655
Battler's line or reasoning isn't always correct and this Beato is eager to gain his affections. At this point it's hard to tell what Battler had in mind for this game after the intro.

"Settle for whose feelings are stronger"?

Episode 6 is a sledgehammer. I see why the Shkanontrice guys were so insistent, not because they had discussed some huge secret, but because THIS EPISODE WON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT SHANNON AND KANON BEING THE SAME PERSON(in addition to Beatrice)

With that said, I'm much more interested in how Jessica and George fit into this mess, if indeed at all.

It's odd, but I'm remarkably OK with Bernkastel being a GM, episode 6 ended with people happy - It was an eerie happiness, a very manufactured one. I'd rather have earnest sorrow than fake contentment.

>>5630706
>>5630647
Agreed.

In Ep6 there is a point where Battler is flatly called Kyrie's Son btw.

>>5630689
I don't know the full truth of the birth circumstances, but keep in mind it would be easy to just tell someone they still birthed if you had them sedated and c-sectioned, because they wouldn't be there to witness the birth and by the time they wake up they would still be bed ridden.

OK, since Shkanontrice is essentially confirmed at this point, the conclusion becomes that Jessica, George, and Battler were all in love with the same person (or body, if you're going to call different personalities different people). In other words, three of the four cousins. It stands to reason that this pattern should continue for Maria. Sakushkanontrice confirmed for truth.

Ok, started reading EP 6. I came across something I found interesting. Early before Battler's arival Kanon and Shannon are having a conversation about love and Kanon says "Otherwise,.....even I...!!" (Shannon responds "Even I?" here) "Even I,......wanted to love Milady...!!!" I find this remarkable because way back in EP 1 on his first meet with Battler he mutters "....even I,..........." except this is obviously directed at Battler. So if we assume Kanon and Shannon had the same conversation previously in episode 1, this means that Kanon obviously has the hots for Battler.

>>5630706
Battler created a world where murders wouldn't happen so his family could be all innocent.
...so Erika appeared.

>>5630680

It doesn't make any sense that Kinzo would give the girl to Krauss to become the heir and not the boy.

>>5630712
>THIS EPISODE WON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT SHANNON AND KANON BEING THE SAME PERSON(in addition to Beatrice)
I'm with you 100% and a little dissapointed, though technically these are the answer arcs and we did need this to piece the remainder of the puzzle together.

>>5630730

Delicious legs

>>5630735
Kanon is a woman, bro.

>>5630739
We are not talking about Jessica, but about the "dead" boy of episode 5. Jessica is Krauss and Natsuhi's daughter.

>>5630738
Erika's stratagem, GENIUS.

If you KILL EVERYONE, you are GURANTEED to find the culprit.

Although wait, this does mean that Battler can ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL, right?

>>5630730
I...I....
wat?

>>5630730
What are you talking about, Maria is in love with Beatrice. Battler(piece) is the only one who isn't actually in love, it's them that are in love with Battler.(Afterall, Battler's sin is due to him being as promiscuous as Rudolf.) So basically what happens is Battler returns and the poor servant that Battler shattered the mind of remembers everything, then the cousins try and set traps to off Battler in their raging jealousy while the servant tries and sabotage their plans so that Battler always lives to the end.

>>5630765
According to this >>5630502 you are talking about Jessica.

Think about it this way gents. This one episode basically fucked us all in the ass repeatably, not even bothering to give us a reach around, would it not make sense for the next episode to do the same thing?

FOR FUCKS SAKE GUYS

STOP BEING THE 10 PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EVEN THINKING

EPISODE 6 = RED HERRING

HE'S TROLLING POPULAR THEORIES

>>5630767

But the prize..

>>5630767
yes, by what i understood, GMs can change everything inside the story, while they know the "rules" of the world. (Kanon=Shanon, b0mb, baby exchange, etc)

So i don't get
Moetrice became Beatrice in the end, but she isn't the real Beatrice, right?

>>5630712
I agree with you in part.

I personally think that Bern is really going to show us the worst sides of everyone though. And I think its going to be an ugly and cruel game. It's going to cut very very very very very deep and messy and what we will get is going to be a possible truth at the end. There is no possible closure from a game written by Bern.

But I don't think it will be the only possible truth and I think EP8 will find a way to give something with more closure.

In Bern's/Featherine's game, the lies are going to be cruelly exposed by others and torn to peaces against their will. Everyone is a conspirator, a murderer, an accomplice, or guilty of something. No one does anything noble or brave. It's a massacre motivated by Greed, Revenge, and Malice. It is a game of: Proving Guilt & Punishment.

I hope for something Gentler after that. Something that can actually give closure. And in the Murder Mystery Genre, only one thing can do that: Confessions. The end of the lies. The one and real truth. The end of a world of possible truths and the resolution of it into what is real. I would like a game of: Forgiveness. Reconciliation. Acceptance.

I can't imagine this ending with the next episode. Especially because in Higurashi we had an arc where all of the truth was revealed but it was not the last arc. So I would imagine we'll get something with more closure.

>>5630801
Considering that R07 is strongly implying he'll finish umineko at episode 7, i don't think so.

>>5630801
http://pastie.org/946937

Goddamn this shit is convoluted.

>>5630767
>Although wait, this does mean that Battler can ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL, right?

Rokkenjima is a closed box

Someone who know what is inside the box can claim whatever truth he wants.

>>5630820

there isn't any way bern's game can be the last one

>>5630827
You're just a simpleton

>>5630820
I have wondered about this. But I don't think it matches up with a few things.

When has he implied it?

>>5630820

7 isn't the last episode.

>>5630811
Shannon ragequit after episode 4.
This new Beato is Battler's production.

>>5630827
WHAT'S WRONG, TOO DEEP FOR YOU?

A maid realized that she couldn't love Battler anymore.... for some reason... I don't know why... and killed everyone.

>>5630839

>>5630826
It's a legit interview published in a magazine.
He's saying that it could be good to end with a lucky seven.

>>5630859

He's lying.

>>5630845
>This new Beato is Battler's production.

Yeah, and that's make me rage.

He didn't marry Beato, her sister with an almost identical personality.

>>5630839
Episode 7 builds it to be the finale.

But we must remember, this is Bernkastel's game. Her ending anything is dubious at best. Besides, like the last portrait is really going to be of twiddle dee and twiddle dumb.

Also, cd case vs dvd case, this comes in a cd case.

>>5630871

It is her though. She'll die again in ep. 7 anyway.

>>5630859


Jesus, R07 is a huge fucking troll
Didn't you realize that yet?

>>5630871
And this is why we need Bern now.

>>5630880
by having her existence denied you mean?
yeah.
although I dont see ryuukishi leaving this at a bad end. I imagine its going to be a full 8 episodes like higurashi. 7th the truth is reached but everyone dies, 8th everyone reaches the happy ending.

>>5630725
That's exactly what I had in mind. The doctors usually slap the baby to make sure its alive, if she's unconscious, she can't hear it. In addition to what type of anesthesia she receives, she won't be able to see the baby directly for some time. But why would they deny her seeing the corpse if the Jessica and Battler theory is true? She shouldn't be denied the right to see her baby even if its dead. The Japanese, according to George, cremate their dead as custom or something, which apparently includes stillborns.

With that, Asumu and Natsuhi get a child, but Kyrie gets nothing..nothing to even bury/cremate and that's an unsettling feeling for someone like Kyrie who thoroughly checks things through and was looking forward to its birth.

Yes, I'll put Beatrice to rest, you can trust me~

>>5630884
stop trolling, ryuukishi cannot go and rescind what he has already written, he already made note of that in talks with Knox in ep 5. You would feel cheated and regret having read everything, that is not his goal.

>>5630846
Luckily the good butler's love for Battler is a lot stronger than the whorish maid's.

Anyone else feel the only one who truly fits the image for Beatrice is Kanon, as he is the ONLY one who is deathly afraid of relationships? It makes me think that this Shkanon crap is a red herring...

>>5630896
Maybe the happy end will be released as "Umineko Rei" or something like that.

>>5630896

Well, whatever Bern is going to do to her. Though all the clues put towards her dying again makes me think she won't, but Ryu hasn't been subtle lately.

It'll be 8 episodes. Ep. 7 isn't going to end on a good note.

>>5630898
That being said, something akin to Kyrie being fooled happened, Jessica being the other Battler or not.

I think the Blue Baby syndrome could explain it, but even without that, Kyrie had a child, that was taken from her.

Battler is not Asumu's son, after all.

>>5630903
>ryuukishi cannot go and rescind what he has already written

I bet he can

>>5630934
Have faith in Ryukushi.

Sure, a maid pointlessly slaughtered her friends and their family, but...

IT WAS


FOR


LOVE!

"applause"

>>5630903
>You would feel cheated and regret having read everything, that is not his goal.
Yes, yes that is exactly his goal. How can you have come this far without realizing this? I mean he sneakily insults the real audience, us, all the time during the metaworld talks.

>>5630956
I think "sneakily" is being too charitable.

>>5630945

Even Ange who is a bitter bitch pissed her onii-chan forgot her for his imaginary waifu agrees that there must be more to it than that.

After reading about Kanon's motives, it's more likely that some Agatha Cristie otaku gone wild in an isolated island than a fight for money or LOVE.

>>5630969
You mean Shannon's motives.

>>5630972
No, you idiot, Beatrice's motives!

>>5630956

He insulted us a lot. He's got issues.

>>5630956
no he didnt insult all of his audience.
In talks through Featherine, he insulted the audience who read his works to be trendy or part of a fad, but admired people who tried to use their heads to think it through and even stated that he wrote umineko for those few people who rather than just reading the tale tried to work it out.

For this very reason he would not change or rescind anything he wrote, because that would take away for those readers who actually thought about the story and tried to discover the truth.

>>5630978
Ryukushi seems similiar to Anno in that regard.

But as one Anon so cleverly put, "It felt like he was using sophisticated vocabulary to insult me, all the while showing me a shitty doodle and acting like it was a masterpiece."

>>5630976

You mean Jessica's motives

>>5630978

His husbando BT is dead, and that's who he was writing the story for in the first place. Of course he mad

>>5630987
Those few people? Everyone who reads Umineko tries to work it out.

If I didn't care about the mystery I'd be fapping to Saber by now.

>>5630945

It obvious the are other reason for killing everyone, and no one found it

Episode 6 Battler actually remembered about his promise with Shannon.
Beatrice's return in the meta world is the equivalent in the piece's world to Battler and Shannon putting up with the past, and Shannon helping him to deceive Erika before she can cut his head off.

Yeah, Shkanonlanondingdong seems to have been a mystery buff. A mystery buff who believed in the occult.

And who happened to live on an island.

SOUNDS LIKE A RECIPE FOR WACKY!

>>5630995

Is R07 really gay?

>>5630987

Does anyone really read amateur sound novels to be cool in Japan?

>>5630987
>ignorant fanboy whose too stupid to see or realize the full extent of the insults he's thrown at us
It's not just featherine, boy.

>>5631013
BELIEVING ONE'S SELF TO BE A GOOD AUTHOR IS A SIGN OF A DELUSIONAL MIND.

>>5630998
thats just it, not everyone does try to work it out, you obviously do, and therefore you do not fall under the category ryuukishi insulted.

and obviously dumb enough to think ryuukishi was insulting all of his fans, were in fact really insulted anyways.

So what I thought I'd do is take a bunch of blog entries about the nature of love and about how stupid my readers are and make a VN out of it.

>>5631010

No, he just loves BT

Insulting your fanbase while making a ridiculous plot works.

Ever watch NGE?

He wasn't such a bitch in Higurashi, contrary, he was really nice in the tips

What happened to you, R07? And why you don't want to be a little girl anymore?

>>5631010
Bern is his alter ego, lambda is his dead friend BT. Take a guess.

There are some less subtle trolling.
Remember when Lambda gone on a speech about how higurashi was crap and people were stupid enough to gulp it down?

I just watched the anime, so can anyone summarize what happens after it?

>>5631042

I thought BeaaaaTriceee was the one he loved.

>>5631047

I think it was a joke.

>>5631037

He insults Higurashi all the time though.

He's nice. Remember, he sent that letter to Witch Hunt?

>>5631061

But in ep VI he talked about Bern's hell like it was serious business.

And i'm pretty sure Rena still his favorite character. He even used angel morf outfit for the Sisters.

>>5631019
You seriously must be a complete idiot to not see the extreme extent that he insults the audience. It's a pretty hefty chunk, a lot of which is subtle enough that idiots like you can't tell. Also, it seems to get worse as the episodes go on.

I do think episode 6 is the weakest of the bunch.

Not because of Shkanontrice, but because of the style it was pulled off.

The Kanon and Jessica thing was handled HORRIBLY.

It went like this:

Kanon: Jessica, I raab you

Jessica: Sweet, yeah, let's date and stuf-

Kanon: OK LET'S ENTER IN A LOVE TRIAL TO DUEL AGAINST SHANNON WHO IS ENGAGED BECAUSE CLEARLY WE LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH COME ON I'M FURNITURE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY

>>5631048
Mysteryfag Erika shows up and acts like a bitch
Beato dies
Battler cries and becomes golden sorcerer
Becomes kick ass for 5 minutes
Brings Beato back
Battler cries some more and becomes Kinzo
Ryu self inserts himself as a woman and insults his readers.
Shanon=Kanon=Beatrice
Erika dies
Everyone gets married.

>>5631091
Best parts of episode 6 were George's speeches, and Jessica's fight against Kyrie.

Everything else, not so good.

Sayoshiya

>>5631067
He sent it while BT was still alive.

I think I figured out Kanon's love for Jessica!!! It's not that Kanon loves Jessica as a person so much as that she loves how Jessica looks and wants to skin Jessica and wear Jessica's skin so that Battler will fall in love with her.

>>5631083
again, he insults the trending non thinking readers.
then comes the conversations with featherine and ange, where featherine says she likes smart people like ange, and later applauds her for being one of the few people who think compared to the rest of her readers.

I don't have screens and wont search through to look for them, but they are there.

>>5631091

Kanon and Jessica has always been kind of shitty. They haven't had any growth since ep. 3. It's kind of a giant leap to go straight into demon love trials. I've never liked Jessica, but her reaction during start of the love trial made her seem like the only reasonable person around.

>>5631112

Ｓｏｕｎｄｓ　ｂｅｔｔｅｒ　ｔｈａｎ　Ｓｈｋａｎｏｎ．

>>5631119

JESSICA IS BRIGHT LIKE THE SUN. At least Kanon could say why he liked her. Jessica couldn't, other than realizing any hot guy would have done.

>>5631105
>George's speeches

Fuck no.
"I was a fat ronery nerd, so people didn't look at me. Now i am a just fat nerd not ronery and i'm an interesting person now!"

Eva Beato was awesome though.

>>5631126
Well, it hardly is Jessica's fault. She's just a girl who was into Kanon(or perhaps there is something else there but that is for a later time), but because Sayoshiya is so over the top romantic, we have major problems.

>>5631120
That's all just him trying to not piss off those who truly do see through all the insults by making them feel good about seeing them, while he secretly laughs at them for being gullible fools.(which is another of his persistent insults)

>>5631126
Jessica was pretty cool this episode, yeah. It's unfortunate she's going to be fucked over no matter how this series ends.

>>5631120
Well considering how most of us mock his shitty LOLMULTIPLEPERSONALITY and laugh at his YOU CAN ONLY SEE THEM WITH LOVE, it is only normal for him to crack under the pressure to insult his readers.
Considering how much of us in /jp/ already insult his competency as a mystery writer, the backlash in Japan should be much much worse.

>>5631120

I don't theoryfag much, so he was insulting me basically. I enjoy the characters and want to see how it ends. It doesn't matter what people read it for as long as they enjoy it and read it. He needs some therapy.

>>5631158
>YOU CAN ONLY SEE THEM WITH LOVE

Actually, this came from Akiko Shita, the singer of the first OP. He puts it in every episode just to white knight her.

>>5631146
herp derp I will use Erika's broken logic to argue anything, because there is proof that ryuukishi hates some of his fans he naturally hates all fans, nevermind the evidence that is shown that he likes some of his fans, or that he says he enjoys watching peoples reactions to his works, or that he likes smarter people

you cannot disprove that ryuukishi might actually like some of his smarter fans and naturally need to throw a tandrum on the internet. yeah you're cool bro.

It's gotten pretty bad. Remember how Battler mocks "those petty humans?"

Ryukushi is losinggggggggggg it.

>>5631133
>JESSICA IS BRIGHT LIKE THE SUN
That's not a real reason either bro. Kanon is just caught up in the moment because the maid whore mind raped Kanon into it. Seriously, Kanon doesn't feel anything about Jessica, everything Kanon does for Jessica is caused by Jessica and/or Shannon cornering Kanon into going along with it. If you notice anything it's Kanon's yearning for love in general and not Kanon's actual love that you see.

>>5631091

Episode 6 is the weakest of the bunch because the non-new music choices for the scenes were fucking HORRIBLE.

Holy shit. Any of you who played it know what I mean.

>>5631194
I for one enjoyed ep 6's music selection actually, and especially enjoy the end theme of the "???" that bgm needed some vocals, its addicting.

>>5631189

Battler lost his waifu and became Kinzo. The same thing is happening to Ryu.

So people are getting mad because of LOLDOINGITFORLOVE, but why hasn't anyone brought up the possibility that the Shannon who may or may not be committing the murders is not the same, personality-wise, as the Shannon who fell in love with Battler and later created Beatrice? Remember, Battler stated in Episode 1 that the Shannon now acts differently from the Shannon of six years before, and in Episode 6 Shannon acts like she was created just like Kanon rather than having been the one to create.

Though that would, of course, mean that a fourth personality (the original) would be involved somehow...

>>5631193
Jessica didn't corner Kanon, that was mostly Shannon's doing. Hell, Jessica just wants to take it slow.

The main problem is that Jessica just wants to start a relationship and see where it goes, while Kanon, due to Shannon and his own psychotic self, is practically asking her to marry him.

This is evident with Jessica not being able to tell Kanon why she loves him. It's not a bad thing, she even says she wants to learn why she likes him.

Sadly for Jessica, entering a sane relationship with Kanon is impossible.

>>5631174
I dont really care about this line actually but in fucking Ep6, he put this freaking line in about every other paragraph. It is fine seeing it once or twice but fuck stop ramming it down to the readers. We get your point about this LOVE since END OF EP4.

>>5631207
Her body is doing the murders, she's the murderer, end of story. I don't care if the culprit is her fifth personality, Bob, she's still killing people she claims to love.

>>5631218
its answer arcs bro, some people STILL dont get it after all that ramming after all.

>>5631193
>>5631207
Wait... is it possible that Kanon could actually the closest to the original personality?

>>5631229
of course it is, though you have to realize that its almost certain that the body is female.

>>5631231
Of course.

Furniture can also be defined "split personalities"

So who's Genji supposed to be?

Shannon and Kanon are obvious, and Gohda and Kumasawa never refer to themselves as furniture.

>>5631229

Probably. Though I don't understand how Sayo came to be.

>>5631229
Watch Kanon being the original. Its easier to fake huge boobs with pads than to hide huge boobs by..whatever means. Also, easy to fake being a bit taller, quite hard to do the opposite.

Jessica isnt a dyke. George is the one whos in for a surprise.

>>5631247
>>5631247

Ronove

Gohda is Gaap.

>>5631253

I feel bad for George. He's fat and can't get anyone else. Jessica can always find another crazy person to love.

>>5631229
It should be obvious that Kanon is. Kanon is the piece with the fucking crush on Battler after all. Also Kanon is the only one who truly looks at Beatrice as a peer, rather than some big guy like the rest think.

Maybe that "girl" of the EP 7 portrait is the real Kanon + Shannon + Beatrice.

Derp

>>5630987

Ok, why does everyone assume that all the characters act as Author Avatars when they discuss the mystery genre.

Featherine is depicted as pompous and arrogant, so why would you assume that anything she says (or, for that matter, Erika, who has a similar line) should be taken as an expression of the author.

I mean, when you guys read fiction you don't assume that everything said by all the characters is what the writer believes, do you?

Why the hell are we talking about cheese.
And why is Battler so stupid?

Kinzo probably had Kanon raised as a boy because of how heavy he laid the needing the future head to be male and wanting Kanon to be the head. Kinzo probably never expected his grandson Battler in his flirty nature to fuck his future head's head up.

>>5631296
no, but its not about writers to make self insert characters. and with Featherine's situation (her being a mystery novelist who has literally written umineko "fragments") being almost a mirror to r07 its not hard to draw a connection that anything she says is what the real author actually feels/believes

>>5631298

I seriously almost fell asleep during the cheese talk

>>5631309
sorry im a little tired, replace "about" with "above"

>>5631298
Surprisingly that part got me

I thought instantly, yeah it's [spoilers]3[/spoilers] but then Battler blew that away

>>5631300

Kinzo didn't want him to be head though

>>5631247
Genkinzonove.

>>5631298
>>5631310
its another word puzzle/riddle.
just like how umineko is a larger one but still a puzzle/riddle

i found it fun to test myself on it but was dissapointed i didnt get the best answer

>>5631296
When you write characters for a story, a little bit of your thoughts are projected onto them in some way, no matter how absurd or unrealistic.

On the other hand, Ms. Hachijou/Featherine is a blatant author self-insert. No exceptions.

>>5631309

That may be, but if that's true, she's written as a Bernkastel style character in that role, so unless your going to tell me that Bern is the hero or that, despite all appearances from when he actually speaks, he's just a hateful person, I think we can take what she says with a grain of salt.

It's utterly foolish to assume that a writer can't writer about a writer without making them any different from themselves.

>>5631324
I actuallt thought of twisting the cheese right away, and thought I was being stupid.

>>5631327
MIND BLOWN.
totally possible if you really think about it

>>5631338

>write about a writer.

I'm just saying, there is a difference between self insert and self reference. Featherine is a reference to his role as creator, but she's not his avatar in the series.

>>5631298
The cup puzzle showed up during Beato flashback when she reached enlightenment. I wonder if it connected to any of the murder puzzle.

>>5631326
Yeah, he just wanted somebody he could treat as a grandson and do grandfatherly things with, like going hunting and playing pranks on the rest of hte family.

>>5631298

i actually assumed he the cheese shape could potentially be a block with 7 pieces set out in a key like fashion off it, that can all be cut in one slice.

either that or malleable cheese.

shows how much r7's got into my head changed my thinking, haauuu

>>5631338
no, I always thought Bern was a mirror to the audience who are reading the novel just to win by disproving magic disregarding the rest of the story/characters and their motives/feelings

>>5631324

I actually knew that riddle from somewhere else, so I knew the answer was one immediately.

But I think the point of that scene was a metaphor for how one should tackle umineko.

>>5631349

He didn't want that either. I don't think he gave a shit about Kanon one way or the other.

>>5631347
fucking brilliant that was actually bugging me for a while

>>5631347

Wait, is that the correct answer, cause that's what I guessed too.

I'm a little proud, actually.

>>5631372
> I don't think he gave a shit about Kanon one way or the other.
Then what was the whole going-hunting-and-playing-pranks thing about?

>>5631347
For some reason I dont remenber this coin puzzle. Was it talked about at the same time as the cheese one? I kinda remenber Maria reading it but no disscution about it..

>>5631383
Kinzo getting Alzheimers?

>>5631383
What going-hunting-and-playing-pranks thing? I cant remenbver any of that.

Shannon must be the biggest slut ever. Not contempt with one dick, she went for another one. Not satisfied with that much, she went for a cunt as well.

Her excuse? Magical DID.
WHAT A SLUT!

>>5631402
>magical DID

>>5631349
>playing pranks on the rest of hte family
His biggest prank is giving the fortune to his fake grandson, who is really a girl.

>>5627427

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>>5631397
Perhaps this will remind you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFS_JybaNs

Maybe Battler's sin was telling Kinzo to pretend the girl he just met was him in his place while he was on his strike from the family.

>>5631430
That song is awesome.

Poor Gohda ;_;

>>5631387
Erika was starting to act arrogant.
So George changed the subject to chopsticks.

kyrie is the mastermind, I don't care if shkanon is true or not

During the Kyrie vs Jessica I got pissed that Kyrie lost her coolhead for a while. Like really pissed. KYRIE ALWAYS HAS HER SHIT STRAIGH. You could just tell that was fiction, it wasnt the possesion and demons that gives it away, its Kyrie freaking out.

is there a way to move the Umineko save file to another computer? I just copied the game folder but my saves dont appear on my notebook.
it wouldnt matter otherwise but I want to read with ny notebook computer and skipping would be painfully slow with it

>>5631681

Kyrie is only human, and a woman. In my opinion it makes her seem more real if I see her freaking out every so often.

>>5631625
Anyone else get the vibe that Rudolf might have genuinely preferred Asumu, and that's why he switched the babies?

I started this episode a few hours ago and oh man. We got Ange back, focus on romance between George and Shannon, and then Jessica and Kanon aswell. Bracing myself for the worst episode yet. Only part I like so far is the person trapped in the closed room bits.

>>5631768
no i think its more of a "Rudolph needed a legitimate, male, heir" therefore he had to switch kids, either because asumu still birthed or because asumu gave birth to a girl. Either way the kid needed to be from his wife, not a mistress

>>5631784
>He thinks Ange coming back is a positive thing

So, did you guys realize that Umineko is shit yet?

>>5631784
>We got Ange back

Serious Komachi is the best thing about this whole visual novel.

>>5631768
No.

It was because he needed a legitimate heir.

If anything, he preferred Kyrie. He wanted to raise their baby and gave Asumu's away.

Jessica is currently recognized as the heir by default through being the daughter of the progenitor.

George being an Heir would be based on the line already passing down through a woman. That's not normal for large fortunes in traditional families.

Battler would have a good claim to some part of the fortune, but lack of seniority would put him on even footing with George.

Maria through Rosa has the weakest shot. Normally she would just get a stipend-- basically something like 5%-10%. Granted, Kinzo's fortune seems large enough that it doesn't really matter.

What I find interesting is that even when the gold is found, murders took place. At this point, the Direct Children with the strongest and weakest claim disappear, all of the grandchildren with claims, and Genji, an accepted accessory disappear.

That's pretty interesting stuff.

I don't care about the rest of the game really but I need someone to resolve this mystery for me

Between Zepar and Furfur, which one is the boy, and which one is the girl?

>>5631938

"Without Love, it cannot be seen."

>>5631938
Nobody knows, and it's impossible to find out with just that.

>>5631938
Zepar since he symbolizes Kanon.

>>5631816
You only see it as shit if you have no love in your life.

Must suck to be so lonely.

>>5631938
You will know once he shows you the pleasure of being cummed inside your ass.

>>5631807
Wrong.

>>5631976
I don't need the shitty idea of love you can find in Umineko.

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but so far I have liked Ep 6 so very, very, very much more than Ep 5, even if it pretty much cements in Shkannon.

Ep 5 was horseshit where semi-logical debate was replaced with magical bullshit "rules" that were used as a catch-all for everything. Removing them immediately changed things for the better.

Also, Moetrice is <3.

>>5631742
the save directory 's not in the game directory, it's in users/username/appdata/roaming. Move that as well.

>>5631992
>magical bullshit "rules" that were used as a catch-all for everything
If you're talking about Knox, it's not bullshit, just the mystery genre reminder to writers not to use asspulls.

>>5632030

It is bullshit. The Knox rules turn the "game" from fantasy versus realism to fantasy versus different kind of fantasy. There are no divine rules in real life that guarantee the "detective" is handed all evidence on a platter, or give the detective divine authority to enter any room, molest any corpse and generally do whatever the fuck she pleases.

Fuck Erika wouldn't have even needed to DO anything in Ep 5. She could have lounged the entire time on her ass in some room and just demanded, via the Knox rules, that all the evidence just materializes in front of her.

Ep 5 was atrociously bad. Its only high point was that Dlanor's ^ mouth is cute.

I'm not going to lie. I ctrl'd through all Ange/Auau scenes, and most Erika scenes. I couldn't fucking stand any of them.

>>5632053
No, the rules are fine, it's the interpretation that's wrong. For one the detective shouldn't be aware of the rules applying to a fiction she's in.

Knox isn't for the detective, it's for the reader. Whose purpose is indeed to sit on his ass until all clues are presented. That's the essence of a puzzle, and fair mysteries are puzzles.

So basically Erika is bullshit because she's cheating, she's both reader and in-fiction detective. But the rules are fine.

But understand also that "there are so such rules in real life" is not a valid objection. It's not real life, it's a mystery, a puzzle. It has been since the first announcement before the first game.

That being said, those rules do have a real-life equivalent, Occam's razor. "Keep it simple", basically, go for the simpler explanations first. No need for secret passages if it can be explained without them, and thus "go for the secret passage-less explanation first", because it's easier to analyse. If it turns out to be wrong, then you go for the more complex stuff. As Dlanor said, it's a crutch, not a steadfast rule.

>>5632066
You might as well not read anything if you're not gonna read everything.

>>5632114

In his defense, it's that bitchface Ange and Costumed Horror From Beyond The Wardrobe.

They're not even doing or saying anything important, just explaining what just happened.

>>5632114
I only care about Battler and Beatrice, everyone else can die in a fire for all I care.

>>5632130
>I only care about Battler and Shkanontrice, everyone else can die in a fire for all I care.
FTFY

Battler is a faggot who excuse a murderer BECAUSE SHE DID IT FOR LOVE
ShKanonBeatrice is just a delusional nutcase whore

>>5632089
>But understand also that "there are no such rules in real life" is not a valid objection. It's not real life, it's a mystery, a puzzle.

Yet the characters in it should not be aware of that - like you just yourself said. From the perspective of Battler, Erika and company, Umineko should not be "fantasy vs. mystery", it should be "fantasy vs. reality". Even though we, the actual readers, know it's a mystery, nobody inside the game world or even meta world should know. (Maybe Featherine should be allowed to know, but fuck her, she's not interesting in the first place.)

I get what you mean, and I agree - the rules themselves are okay and serve just to guarantee that the story is solvable and it's the interpretation and awareness of the rules that's the problem. That's pretty much what I meant. But that doesn't change that episode five is pure bullfuckery, because of that awareness and the replacement of actual detective work with appeal to rules and redtext falling from the sky.

Out of episodes so far I'd definitely rank 5 the lowest of all. So far 6 has been much, much better.

>>5632171
>Battler is a faggot who excuse a murderer BECAUSE SHE DID IT FOR LOVE

My fifty bucks says that the actual killer isn't Beatrice, she's just taking credit for it for some reason. Auaurora specifically draws attention to how absurd it would be for Battler to just up and forgive Beato the murder of his family like that, so I think she never was the real killer in the first place.

>>5632202
You lost fifty bucks then.
Also learn to read.

>>5632208

Oh there we go again, "my subjective and largely made-up interpretation is the obvious truth and I don't need to qualify it in any way and fuck you". What would /jp/ be without it?

A good board.

>>5632171
>Battler is a faggot who excuse a murderer BECAUSE SHE DID IT FOR LOVE
I agree that love cannot excuse murder
>a delusional nutcase whore
This though... It doesn't make it right, but I think the fact that nobody addressed this issue before the murders happened is very important. The murderer is excused on the account that the murdered caused it to themselves for not taking appropriate actions with mentally unstable people.

>>5632194
>nobody inside the game world or even meta world should know
actually, it's fine for the meta world, because of the whole way the meta world started in the first place. Battler swore he'd explain the murders as a mystery, so Beatrice has been playing along with that.

Could even be an on-board echo of the fact Battler and a few others (at the very least Nanjo and Kyrie) are mystery fans, so naturally when faced with murders they'd try this approach for a solution. And the others would be drawn in because they're all used to mind games to some extent solely because of their family's situation.

Erika's really the only problem is that, but it's pointed out repeatedly she crosses the meta boundary (ie breaks the fourth wall, but to the meta observers, not the reader) so it's not surprising. But it's also mentioned several times she's a fictional construct who probably never even really existed on the island.

>>5631380
I can think up of at least 3 ways of solving the problem. That is one of them.

>>5631347
Close, but no. There are supposed to be 5 coins, not 4. Of course then you just need to put one of the 2-coin cups in the 1-coin cup, so the method is still right.