/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Latest R07's interview >>http://pastie.org/946937

>It looked like an offering.
>A single small french doll sat on the side table.
>Its hair was gold......and it wore a black dress.

Thoughts?

>>5556391
Beato doll?

"By now, you probably understand that love is one of the themes of this tale. In that case, you might say that Zepar and Furfur are the demons who control/represent the truth of the main story. There are many very strong hints and clues in what those two say."

>>5556358

Interesting bit about the Rokkenjima explosion. Nice to see him acknowledging it.

>>5556407

しかし、愛の物語はここまでだ。
これからは残虐な惨劇と残酷な真実のみが語られる。
However, the tale of love ends here.
What will be told from now on is only a tale of cruel tragedy and harsh truth.

>>5556442
GIVE ME MY FUCKING HOBO END, RYU

>>5556442
3. There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.

From Van Dine's rules.

Yep this is going well.

>>5556457
11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

Oh boy, can't wait.

>>5556387

He says a lot while saying nothing.

>>5556463

Looks like Kanon with blond hair.

>>5556480
He was always been a master at that.

>>5556480
He should be a politician.

>>5556463
she is nice

>>5556474
>>5556457
>mfw this actually becomes true in the game and all the fandom is trolled to abyss

>>5556480
He has perfected the art of trolling.

The new girl is like a combination of Krauss (red outfit) and Natsuhi (jewel necklace thing)

>>5556498
Looks like a young lady to me. That's why I think it could be young Rosa or a completely new character thrown in by Bern along with Wright.

>>5556463

waitaminute...

About the flat chest...you know, it was foreshadowed.

>>5556522
Yep, Ryu will troll us all.
He always does.

Meanwhile at pixiv...

>>5556554
Or perhaps Jessica was never a girl to begin with.

She always was a bit of a tomboy, perhaps she is really a he.

>>5556566

that would actually be funny

>>5556463
one eagle is on the same place as Kannon
the other eagle is on the same place as Beatrice
she is flat chested
Kannon wears the same kind pants

That's KANNON

"You are fucked."

>>5556576
I see dead people

>>5556575
Except she's blond and long haired. What has science done.

>>5556511
Or write serials

OHWAIT

>>5556591
>What has science done.
Wigs

>>5556576
oh fuck erika is coming back isn't she.

>>5556597
No one dies in Umineko.

Not really.

>>5556591
Hair dyeing and extensions.

>>5556358

Looking pretty cool there, K1.

>>5556602
They die when the explosion happens, though.

>>5556597
She died already in the meta world, Bern doesn't want her and she can't come back, end.

>>5556597

I kinda hope so. She may be a crazy bitch, but she doesn't deserve to die by falling off a boat and drowning. At least, she doesn't deserve it any more than anybody else does in this story...

Telling you homeboys, that's Asumu.

Although Chronotrig thinks it is Future!Jessica

>>5556620

She does deserve it. She was pointless to being with.

>>5556620
4 games like that, she's already used to it.

Hard to imagine Jessica wearing those clothes. Heh, it'd be interesting if this character was an Agatha Christie in R07's form.

Still..it has to be someone close to Kinzo who has access to his ring. It's possible for E3's Jessica surviving, but that messes with Eva/Ange ring in '98.

>>5556628
But why would Asumu have the crest and ring, when she isn't a blood member?

>>5556628
She wears the eagle and the head ring.
Can't be her.

I wonder what that guy's arm band means. Is it completely black?

>>5556637
>Agatha Christie in R07's form
Dear god, no.
Referential wanking is one thing, making such inserts is too much

>>5556628
Jessica is the best bet. After all, she is the heir apparent, and those jewels are Krauss and Natsuhi's.

>>5556643
We already have moe-Knox, though.

>>5556651
In b4 this photo was taken in BT's funeral

>>5556656

Best bet, meaning too obvious meaning it's someone else completely. Probably a new character.

>>5556651
>Battler and Virgilia standing over what looks like a casket.

Beatrice dies again. Calling it now

That lady looks like Jessica.

>>5556638
UNLESS
Asumu is the Beatrice that Rosa met.

>>5556665
Well they obviously will be symbolic of something, but it terms of looks it's apparent she's supposed to invoke Jessica.

Regardless, I am more concerned about the epic sounding preview.

The GIRLS said without love it can't be seen?

GIRLS? Plural? Wat?

>>5556682
That would create a time paradox

>>5556682
Which is impossible, since by that time Asumu was living with Rudolf.

Am I the only one who doesn't like the new OP. It doesn't get me nearly as pumped as the first and second one.

Will Beato finally die and stay dead and actually make an emotional impact on the reader this episode?

>>5556696
I prefer this one, more melancholic, I never liked the 2nd one.

>>5556688
Zepar and Fufur

It wasnt hard.

>>5556696
Yeah, the other two always make me want to replay the games instantly, but this one doesn't.

Then again, this is probably fitting for what will hopefully be a depressing as fuck game.

>>5556697
>Beatrice dies EP 5
>everyone cries
>she comes back in the first ten minutes of EP 6
>nobody cares anymore.

>>5556707
THIS.

90% of us bawled at sandcastles, but when Beato came back everyone was like GET THE FUCK OUT, WOMAN.

>Has the head's ring
>Jessica's hair style
>Wears the golden eagle

Future Jessica that survived the 7th game.
NEXT

>>5556659
Ronald Knox is cookie cutter idiot writer who distilled 'rules' from how competent writes wrote their works and pretended to do decent critique on the genre.
Taking a good known writer from whom he 'borrowed' teh setting and having it talk and comment is...tad too much again.

>>5556637
>Agatha Christie in R07's form.
If that's the case her name better be a reference to Ariadne Oliver

I think that girl is the original Beato

>>5556703
>Zepar and Fufur
>girls

I've got a surprise for you...

Beato feels like Kikyou,as she keeps dying and dying.

>>5556730
BUT Kykyo was a bitch taht stole souls to keep baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawing.

>>5556665
I wouldn't doubt that, we get at least 2 new characters every game, usually more.

Ryu07 will keep adding them each episode no matter how ridiculous the cast is getting.

>>5556711

I wasn't. I wanted her back. Fuck you.

>>5556726
Well one of them are and the other acts like one.
Close enough

>>5556730
If you're going to connect this to anime, it's more like Yuuko than anything else.

CLAAAAAAMP

>>5556730

It's not really her fault Battler brought her back. He'll probably do it again if she dies again.

>>5556747
No one knew she was dead, also her death was pertty emtional.

I'm guessing the guy is a totally new character, probably Dine. The game will probably open in the 90's world, and this guy is professional investigator of some sort, which will lead into him uncovering all these truth's "mercilessly," which fits the whole theme of what Bern wanted to do.

The blonde chick is probably Sayo/Beatrice. I have no doubt. I want someone to do a comparison of the full body shot of her with Kanon. It's a flat chested girl with dark eyes. Perhaps she dyed her hair blond to fit Battler's ideal? Or maybe she was blond in the first place. I don't know.

Another option is that the guy is future Battler, and the dead gold eyes is because of all the horrors he's seen, and he's on the run with Sayo. I say this because if Sayo dyed her hair, perhaps Battler did too, an dit's starting to fade, which would explain the streak of red.

>>5556747

they have the same voice actor too.

>>5556769
>Another option is that the guy is future Battler, and the dead gold eyes is because of all the horrors he's seen, and he's on the run with Sayo. I say this because if Sayo dyed her hair, perhaps Battler did too, an dit's starting to fade, which would explain the streak of red.

Shit, I want something like this. I'm such a faggot.

On the run from WHAT?

>>5556711

To me our Beato, the Beato we knew died at EP5. This EP6 Beato is just a replacement Battler created so yeah

>>5556711
I did want Beato back but not in EP6 and not in that fashion.

All the same, many of the scenes with Beato in EP6 can be really touching.

>>5556727
So she has breasts.

It's not Kanon, guys.

>>5556789
I've always wanted an ending like that. You're not alone in the faggotry. ;_;

The chick is shown being close to the guy. Therefore, they are probably working together. The guy is obviously a meta-character judging by his looks. They are depicted on the main portrait instead of the gamemaster, Bern, so I think we can assume that they fight for her side, i.e. they are mystery characters. She can be either a new meta-character, just like the guy, or some representation of the existing character. Either way I think she's going to be an Erika-like detective.
Simply by existence of this covers this level of reasoning, etc.

>>5556769
>Another option is that the guy is future Battler, and the dead gold eyes is because of all the horrors he's seen, and he's on the run with Sayo. I say this because if Sayo dyed her hair, perhaps Battler did too, an dit's starting to fade, which would explain the streak of red.
If you take out all the Sayo shit, I like this.

I want a hobo end where Beato finally dies for good, and that makes Battler fucking depressed.

>>5556794
>This EP6 Beato is just a replacement Battler created
ahahah
No.

>>5556706
Yeah it seems we are going to cry a lot more than even at the end of 5. When they cry.

ANON WHO JUST WOKE UP REPORTING IN.

WHAT/

>>5556830
I'm okay with that. I don't usually cry at things like that, but for some reason Umineko just controls my tear ducts and I bawww like a little bitch.

>>5556792
The media.

>>5556817
>I want a hobo end where Beato finally dies for good, and that makes Battler fucking depressed.
>Battler fucking depressed

Why would you want such a tragic ending? ;_;

>>5556852
Cause battler is a faggot.

>>5556852
Because I like sad things, and because I'm a shipperfag but I want some kind of lasting impact when Beato dies, one that isn't cheapened soon after by a resurrection.

And because of something like >>5556846.

>>5556769

Since when do eyes turn gold. I thought Amakusa was Battler. How many Battler's are there. New guy is obviously a meta character.

IF BATTLER IS THAT CHAP THEN WHO WAS AMAKUZA?!

>>5556872
Piece-Battler is Kinzo who is Rudolf who is Battler who is Amakusa.

Meta-Battler is Battler, but he gets all depressed and becomes an RPG character.

>>5556874
Battler in a different future: The Ange end.
This guy is Beato end Battler

>>5556887

Where does Ange fit in.

Ange never fits in, everyone hates her.

>>5556895
I like that way of thinking.

Ange end is Battler becoming Amakusa and just being a cool motherfucker. Beato end is Battler becoming someone who will make you cry from the sheer soul-crushing depression of...well, himself.

the new girl is Kannon
flat chest
eagle
pants

and one of the Zepur a Furfur is a male

>>5556897
Ange is too fat to fit into anything.

Sure is tits around here.

>>5556919

I see no tits

>>5556898
Except Mammon.
I want my lesbian BDSM end for Ange.

>>5556919
it may be a an androgynous male
it screams Kannon

>>5556932
YES SO HARD

I find it hilarious all the people talking about Beatrice 'dieing' or being 'resurrected'.

News Flash people: BEATRICE ISN'T REAL. SHE IS A FIGMENT OF AN EXTREMELY DISTURBED PERSON'S IMAGINATION.

Beatrice is also a real person, or rather, someone is acting like her, but that Beatrice and the one in Battler's little fantasy world are NOT THE SAME PERSON.

The sooner you get that in your skulls, the sooner you can come to grips with what is really going on here.

>>5556919

Rudolf has bigger tits

>>5556907
But it's just one possible Beato end. The one where him and Beato escape together, but his whole family dies horribly, and he can never see his sister again because the two of them are on the run. He gets the "love" of Beato, but she's fucking insane and he's so traumatized that he's become a dead eyed coat wearing dude.

If he chooses Ange, he gets to protect her from afar and keep that cool grin on his face because he knows he's gonna bang his hot sister someday (who may or may not be full blooded)

>>5556948

Oh you

>>5556954
That, or Juuza isn't Battler at all.

Amakusa isn't Battler. If he were, he'd be the biggest dickhole in history. He has every opportunity to tell Ange and never does.

the time to avoid /jp/ like the plague is coming...

>>5556966

Battler is an asshole

>However, the tale of love ends here. What will be told from now on is only a tale of cruel tragedy and harsh truth.

I cannot wait for this

>>5556975
I wouldn't worry too much. For every real spoiler, there will be 2 false ones posted, so chances are you'll be fine as long as you don't actively read the threads here.

>>5556927
It's just the angle and tight clothes.

His art really has improved

ANGE GOOD END: Battler becomes Amakusa, watches over his sister for a while and then fucks her and they are happy.

ANGE TRUE END: Battler becomes Amakusa, watches over Ange and then she dies, like what we saw in EP4.

ANGE BAD END: Battler becomes Amakusa, watches over Ange, and then tries to screw her, but she's so mentally fucked up that she responds badly to that. Then she figures out that her brother just tried to fuck her when all she wanted was family, and she goes fucking crazy.

BEATO GOOD END: Piece-world, Battler and whoever is Beatrice survive, they fuck. The metaworld is destroyed since the game has ended, but the Beato that Battler knew comes back somehow for a second, and they disappear together peacefully.

BEATO TRUE END: Piece-world survives, Beato is dead for good, basically. She comes back as a ghost or something just in time to see Meta-Battler go back to the real world and completely forget about any Golden Witch he was in love with. Metaworld crumbles, Beato is sad, Battler is ignorant but happy with his family.

BEATO BAD END: EVERYONE IS DEPRESSED, EVERYONE DIES HORRIBLY IN BOTH PIECE AND META WORLDS.

Seventh portrait has the sleeve from the original one. Sounds like a full-circle end to me.

What, no Erika route?

>>5557021
>BEATO BAD END

That's a hell of an act. What do you call it?

>>5557037
ERIKA GOOD END: Erika likes to rape Battler intellectually, and Battler likes to troll the fuck out of her because why the hell not? They screw. A lot. Footjobs ahoy!

ERIKA TRUE END: She fucking dies in the meta world, she never exists in the real one.

ERIKA BAD END: What happened in the game.

It's young Kinzo and his waifu

>>5557063
>ERIKA GOOD END
Someone get on that shit, footjob end is best end.

>>5557063
So True End and Bad End are the same?

>>5557093
Yes, because true ends are usually the canon ones, and the bad end was what really happened.

>>5557042
THE ARISTOCRATS!

>>5557021
>BEATO TRUE END
;_;

>>5556948
That's not necessarilly so. Battler's Beatrice certainly didn't exist 6 years ago. However, she may have been able to come into existence during that time, after all, we were told in EP6 that 6 years in the human world are around 1000 for a witch.

People change with time, some people even forge their own personalities. So, it is not unthinkable that, whoever the girl who fell in love with Battler may be, forged this sort of personality, effectively becoming Beato, in the span of 6 years.

Blonde looks like a Blonde Rika

It's those trademark side burn bang things

Kinzo's Wife = Bernkastel

the guy is really a meta - character, but a girl-boy can be at same time be a meta-character and the real human on the island on THAT day

>>5556948
But none of that is true because it turns out that it's all just a story by this one lady.

I'm surprised nobody jumped on the screenshot that seems to suggest that little Ange is on the island.

>>5557021
>>5557063
I wish Umineko had routes.

>>5556983
What rough truth, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Purgatory to be born?

>>5557175
I watched OP. I haven't noticed this.

There's only one other character with gold eyes, that being Dlanor. Dlanor fights for the 'evil' side only because she has too.Considering eyes have said alot about characters I would assume it's the same for him too

>>5557201
It's obvious.

>>5557175
Sauce?

>>5557122
I'm looking at things in a more abstract way- Beatrice and the rest of the metaworld are all parts of Battler's innermost psyche. Even if his conscious mind rejects certain elements (like his sin, not being Asumu's real son etc), in his subconscious, he is still aware of these facts, and the metaworld is the interface by which his subconscious mind is gradually drawing Battler back to reality.

Since Battler is the one who set all these events in motion, on some level he IS aware of the truth of matters, he is (or was, until the end of Ep5) rejecting that conclusion.

Meta Beatrice herself is just a construct of his own mind, with her role in each episode shifting in response to changes in his own psyche. When he needs a brutal and ruthless rival, she is one. When he needs a deceiver and betrayer, she is one. When he needs an instructor and motivator, she is one. When he needs a damsel in distress, or a hapless victim, or a princess in a magic garden, she is one. THAT is why he can never pin down her character or motivations.

However, everything in the metaworld has a real world equivalent or tie-in, be it the paperweights Kinzo collected, or Maria's rabbit statues, or a person. Meta Beatrice is still based on a real person who Battler knew 6 years ago, and who is on the island now. But she is not the same person as the Beatrice in his mind.

>>5557189
Where?

>>5557205
Yeah it's obvious, but we have idiots on /jp/ going lol he's future battler who escaped with "beatrice" and dyed his hair brown save for one streak of red and his eyes turned gold from all the depressing shit that went down. What. The colors of his clothing, the necklace on his chest, they all point to Van dine. As for that woman, she has the head's ring, her face sort of reminds me of kyrie but it more points to jessica, her clothing (the colors and otherwise) are a mix of Natsuhi's and Krauss', and in the portrait there's a butterfly brooch on the table next to her.

>>5557179
If Umineko had routes, that'd be combining all of the games in one, since the player's decision affect the outcome. It'd take Ryu-cakes 10 years to finish the game.

>>5557201
The portrait is of Knox and Kinzo's wife.

Portrait solved.

>>5557221

>>5557214
But if it's Battler psyche how would he know about the paperweights? Or the rabbit statues?

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, since your theory is actually really good(especially when compared (x)[x]trice theories)

>>5557233
This. It's new characters, not Battler.

Something that has been unnoticed is that, in the cover, the new characters are surrounded by a golden aura.

So far, since EP5, the good guys have been surrounded by that aura, in the covers.

>>5557223
agree
but the new girl with her hair being too straight for being it Jessica's, zero chest and clothes which would wear Kannon, brooch - Kannon has one and Shannon has one, the eagle on the color
I see Kannon or Kannon+Jessica hibrid

>>5557253
Well I'll be damned.

>>5557253
good notice

>>5557241
Well, Kinzo had those paperweights for years, didn't he? Can't really comment on the rabbits.

Best I can say is that since the metaworld doesn't really follow linear time, things Battler only learned about later might also be getting incorporated into it. And for all we know, the metaworld is something Battler only drew himself into after the events on the island took place, to try and make sense of it all.

It would suck though, if at the end of Episode 7 Battler wakes up in a hospital or an asylum, the only survivor... So I'm hoping for a little deus ex machina and Battler can still set things right using knowledge he can't technically know yet.

I don't know why, but I get the feeling that those two are going to be Furfur and Zepar's real world counterparts.

I think it's the hair matching with their coats.

I'm telling you, in the end they will be a new characters with no connection to the past, and ryukishi will be sitting with a huge trolling smile, enjoying our miserble faces.

>>5557189
>>5557206
http://www.office-mk.co.jp/pcshop/special/umineko.html
Second row, second image with Rudolf and Natsuhi. I tried to attach it, but I got a duplicate image error.

Translation, via chronotrig:
"Poor thing. Gohda. Talk to Kyrie-san later and bring her some porridge."
"Thanks for caring for her. ......I'm really sorry about this. It looks like she just can't handle tension."

>>5557287
Oh snap.

The new magic character in blue has his hands in the pocket like Battler. Maybe Batler in Meta - World is going to become a servant for the other player(he is was stripped from being MG).

>>5557298
Could also be referring to Kyrie I guess, but Kyrie isn't someone I'd describe as "unable to handle tension."

>>5557214
I think that's a solid theory, but I think things point out Meta-Beato has her own consciousness, especially in EP3, for exampld, at the beginning, when she was thinking about her past (and that's info Battler didn't know), another example in the same episode would be at the end when the Meta-World crumbled, Battler accepted Beatrice, but when Beato got her form back, she was disappointed.

>>5557298
they are talking ab out Kyrie
something made tremble even Kyrie

>>5557309
hurp derp read the thread

>>5557295
We are concluded that already for the guy at least. The girl is probably a new character too.

>>5557317
>>5557323
I can only imagine Gohda bringing a trembling Kyrie some porridge to calm her down.

>>5557298
Oh fuck. I wondered who they might be talking about...

>>5557339
Then we'd know for sure the narrator was lying.

>>5556637
It's a fucking mix of Natsuhi and Krauss's outfits. She is also shown standing next to the butterfly pendant in the OP. Good gods, how easy do we need to make this for you?

>>5557363
It doesn't mean a fuck. When (in the timeline) you will put her and how? And what she might be doing here now? It's much easier to think of a new character for this role.

>>5557363

I hope you don't actually believe she's Jessica

>>5557298
Kyrie confirmed for culprit

I still think the girl is Jessica.
-Unlike the painting the sprite does show breats.

-Similar hair style and face

-Her clothes are a mixture of Krauss and Natsuhi's outfits

-She wears pants but thats due to her tomboish nature.


The Guy is Wizard Hunter Wright/S. S. Van Dine

I think the guy's Dlanor's dad.

>>5557382
there's also a screenshot with Kyrie saying "So this is the Beatrice of the forest that Rosa-san met."

>>5557378
>>5557381
Because we've never skipped to the future before in Umineko amirite.

I think a new "timeline" is more interesting than this is a new character. I'm pretty much 99% certain it's Jessica, rather than just some random new character who has blond hair, the eagle crest, has a connection to the butterfly pendant (and by extension Zepar and Furfur), and wears clothes similar to Jessica's parents.

>>5557423
Shit's gonna get real, huh?

>>5557405
The one she killed?

>>5557427
Why would it be Jessica? I still think it's the original Beatrice

Lyrics for opening sequence if that helps.

霧のピトス
歌：木野寧、佐倉かなえ
作詞：佐倉かなえ、E.Kida
作曲：ラック眼力、dai
編曲：ラック眼力、dai

この手に託されたもの
今　雨の中に
寄り添えず彷徨う船には
夢の続きがあるから

割れて着飾った
It's a story of my love
凍て付いた願い
それさえも希望に変えて

愛が見える最後のファンタジー
君は眠りから目覚め
幻想が真実へ
真実は幻想の中に

>>5557423
She's actually asking it as a question.
"Is that really the same Beatrice that Rosa-san met?"

>>5556442
Fuck ;_;

>>5557445
It could also be Beatrice.

I don't know why we need ANOTHER Beatrice, though.

>>5557384
>Similar hair style
Not really. Jessica has a short curly hair, and this girl has a straight plait.

>>5557423
Could be referring to the 'doll' that was 'offered' to someone

>>5557446
Kiri no Pitosu


Kono te ni takusareta mono
Ima   ame no naka ni
Yorisoezu samayou fune ni wa
Yume no tsuzuki ga aru kara

Warete kikazatta
It's a story of my love
Itetsuita negai
Sore sae mo kibou ni kaete

Ai ga mieru   saigo no fantajii
Kimi wa nemuri kara mezame
Gensou ga shinjitsu e
Shinjitsu wa gensou no naka ni

>>5557465
The Pithos in the Fog
Vocals: Kino Nei & Sakura Kanae
Lyrics: Sakura Kanae & E. Kida
Composition: Luck-Ganriki & dai
Arrangement: Luck-Ganriki & dai

That which was entrusted to my hands
Is now within the rain
Because the next part of my dream
Is on the wandering boat that can't pull close

Shattered and dolled up
It's a story of my love
A wish is frozen onto me-
So turn even that into hope

In the final fantasy where I can see love
You awake from slumber
And the fantasy enters the truth
The truth is inside of the fantasy

>>5557470
>The truth is inside of the fantasy
Suck on that, mysteryfags.

>>5557460

The hair color is different as well.

The "girl" doesn't have a waist/hips either. I think it's a guy.

>>5557470
Final Fantasy

>>5557488
TRAPS, TRAPS EVERYWHERE.

Who is "her" ? Erika ?
MY BRAIN IS FULL FUCK

>>5557519
Ange

It's Jessitrice and Dine.

>>5557519
Impossible, erika is a mary sue, she didn't collapse for two days after swimming to Rokkenjima and the rest of the shit she did.

>>5557470
I want to see BATTLER perform an Omnislash with the Blue, Red and Gold truths.

I'd cum so hard, I,d leave a hole in the wall.

>>5557544
But doesn't that fuck up with the body count AGAIN ?

These screenshots are always chosen to be as misleading as possible. Remember the Natsuhitrice twist we got from the ep5 preview?

>>5557470
>Pithos
WTF?

>final fantasy

>You awake from slumber
OH SH- BEATRICE

>And the fantasy enters the truth
>The truth is inside of the fantasy
Ryukishi trolling everyone, again.

>>5557563
Pithos is a greek jar. In mythology, Pandora opened one containig all the bad things in the world.

>>5557519
It could be a scene from the past. Maybe it's Ange, as previously stated, or Asumu. If Rudolph was really fooled by her "falling, falling" antics, that is..

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>>5557519
Huh, on more careful translation it really is clear that they're not talking about Kyrie.

"Poor girl. Gohda, consult with Kyrie and get some kind of porridge ready."
"Ah, thanks for being so considerate. Looks like that girl just can't handle tension."

>>5557595
wth is this new spam?

>>5557595
wat

>>5557602
Maybe Jessica? we know she has asthma fits in some situations.

>>5557602
O.K.
That's really sounds like they are talking about Ange.

>>5557613
why would you need then consult Kyrie

>>5557619
But isn't Anage a forbidden piece by the very nature of the game?

>>5557613
but then why do they need to check up with Kirye ?

>>5557626
The only adult woman left after the other four were killed?

>>5557627
I can't imagine any other girl.
CONSULT KYRIE
don't tell, Kyrie became very closed to Erika

>>5557613

Natsuhi would be concerned and last I checked porridge didn't cure asthma.

>>5557635
Natsuhi is there

>>5557627
She could maybe still be inserted with some careful illusion layer editing.

>>5557602

Well, shit...

Ange on the island pretty much confirmed.

What happens to Ange this time around?

>>5557602
They could be, half of the time everyone refers to each other as "That child" "That boy" "that girl"

Its probably a scene from the past.
But then again what could cause tension enough to be sick ? MURDERS ?!

>>5557627
You know, it can be simply one of the previous years.

>>5557654

arguments? It doesn't sound as serious as murders, but who knows.

>>5557649
Gets served with a side of fries and a pickle.

>>5557635
Natsuhi is in the screenshot in which Rudolph says that.

>>5557657
In the past
Kyrie is a right hand man of Rudolf

That girl is Asumu.
they always talk about her as a weakling

>>5557667
Unlikely
Only members of the family or servants can go into the island.

>>5557667
That cannot be, as only family members can attend the meeting.

>>5557678
>>5557686
then I see only Ange

So...
- New characters that no on has ever heard about
-Ange on the island
-Possibility of the Van Dine's rules fucking up the game

WHY IS IT GETTING EVEN MORE COMPLICATED ? ISNT THIS SUPPOSED TO END IN THIS EPISODE ?

>>5557740
>ISNT THIS SUPPOSED TO END IN THIS EPISODE ?
No.

>>5557713
Indeed
This could easily be an event from the past, probably from Ange's memories or, who knows, from the hypothetical future Jessica.

>>5557740
I don't see how Van Dine's rules are gonna complicate things. They should make them easier. Well, there are always people interpreting anything their way though.

well, there are many chances it's Dine, because of this.

God, this would make such a great wallpaper.

>>5557813
I...can't...hold myself...
must..use...as wallpaper...

>>5557799
So the people on the portrait are Dine and Fair?

>>5557824
that's what I'm thinking. since we already have Knox, and since Dine and Fair was menationed too, I guess Ryukishi will make them appear.
anyway, the girl looks a little like male, her body at least.

>>5557740
Ange isn't confirmed to be on the island. I see no reason why she would be - she got sick and they didn't take her. That is supposed to be a stagnant event that cannot change.

>>5557813

fuck this shit, where's my Gohda wallpaper.

Am I the only one excited that we have more male characters coming into the cast?

>>5557813
My wallpaper is already stupid enough, thanks.

Dine's rules:

1. The reader must have equal opportunity with the detective for solving the mystery. All clues must be plainly stated and described.

2. No willful tricks or deceptions may be placed on the reader other than those played legitimately by the criminal on the detective himself.

3. There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.

4. The detective himself, or one of the official investigators, should never turn out to be the culprit. This is bald trickery, on a par with offering some one a bright penny for a five-dollar gold piece. It's false pretenses.

5. The culprit must be determined by logical deductions — not by accident or coincidence or unmotivated confession. To solve a criminal problem in this latter fashion is like sending the reader on a deliberate wild-goose chase, and then telling him, after he has failed, that you had the object of his search up your sleeve all the time. Such an author is no better than a practical joker.

6. The detective novel must have a detective in it; and a detective is not a detective unless he detects. His function is to gather clues that will eventually lead to the person who did the dirty work in the first chapter; and if the detective does not reach his conclusions through an analysis of those clues, he has no more solved his problem than the schoolboy who gets his answer out of the back of the arithmetic.

>>5557873

7. There simply must be a corpse in a detective novel, and the deader the corpse the better. No lesser crime than murder will suffice. Three hundred pages is far too much pother for a crime other than murder. After all, the reader's trouble and expenditure of energy must be rewarded.

8. The problem of the crime must he solved by strictly naturalistic means. Such methods for learning the truth as slate-writing, ouija-boards, mind-reading, spiritualistic se'ances, crystal-gazing, and the like, are taboo. A reader has a chance when matching his wits with a rationalistic detective, but if he must compete with the world of spirits and go chasing about the fourth dimension of metaphysics, he is defeated ab initio.

9. There must be but one detective — that is, but one protagonist of deduction — one deus ex machina. To bring the minds of three or four, or sometimes a gang of detectives to bear on a problem, is not only to disperse the interest and break the direct thread of logic, but to take an unfair advantage of the reader. If there is more than one detective the reader doesn't know who his codeductor is. It's like making the reader run a race with a relay team.

10. The culprit must turn out to be a person who has played a more or less prominent part in the story — that is, a person with whom the reader is familiar and in whom he takes an interest.

11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

>>5557813

>>5557878
12. There must be but one culprit, no matter how many murders are committed. The culprit may, of course, have a minor helper or co-plotter; but the entire onus must rest on one pair of shoulders: the entire indignation of the reader must be permitted to concentrate on a single black nature.

13. Secret societies, camorras, mafias, et al., have no place in a detective story. A fascinating and truly beautiful murder is irremediably spoiled by any such wholesale culpability. To be sure, the murderer in a detective novel should be given a sporting chance; but it is going too far to grant him a secret society to fall back on. No high-class, self-respecting murderer would want such odds.

14. The method of murder, and the means of detecting it, must be be rational and scientific. That is to say, pseudo-science and purely imaginative and speculative devices are not to be tolerated in the roman policier. Once an author soars into the realm of fantasy, in the Jules Verne manner, he is outside the bounds of detective fiction, cavorting in the uncharted reaches of adventure.

15. The truth of the problem must at all times be apparent — provided the reader is shrewd enough to see it. By this I mean that if the reader, after learning the explanation for the crime, should reread the book, he would see that the solution had, in a sense, been staring him in the face-that all the clues really pointed to the culprit — and that, if he had been as clever as the detective, he could have solved the mystery himself without going on to the final chapter. That the clever reader does often thus solve the problem goes without saying.

>>5557870
And now mine is too!

>>5557886
16. A detective novel should contain no long descriptive passages, no literary dallying with side-issues, no subtly worked-out character analyses, no "atmospheric" preoccupations. such matters have no vital place in a record of crime and deduction. They hold up the action and introduce issues irrelevant to the main purpose, which is to state a problem, analyze it, and bring it to a successful conclusion. To be sure, there must be a sufficient descriptiveness and character delineation to give the novel verisimilitude.

17. A professional criminal must never be shouldered with the guilt of a crime in a detective story. Crimes by housebreakers and bandits are the province of the police departments — not of authors and brilliant amateur detectives. A really fascinating crime is one committed by a pillar of a church, or a spinster noted for her charities.

18. A crime in a detective story must never turn out to be an accident or a suicide. To end an odyssey of sleuthing with such an anti-climax is to hoodwink the trusting and kind-hearted reader.

19. The motives for all crimes in detective stories should be personal. International plottings and war politics belong in a different category of fiction — in secret-service tales, for instance. But a murder story must be kept gemütlich, so to speak. It must reflect the reader's everyday experiences, and give him a certain outlet for his own repressed desires and emotions.

Anyone see Dlanor fire explosion slash? My favorite part of the OP

>>5557873
>>5557878
Most of the rules are already broken by Umineko, that's the thing. If Ryu bends or edits the rules to his own pleasing or flat out leaves out some, then what's the point of those rules? Does Dine even apply to Umineko?

It's official: Bern is going to troll Battler using Dine Rules. Especially the one with there being no love interest.

>>5557870
>>5557887
and mine.

>>5557878
>11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

Oh boy, that would crush every well formed theory brought until now.

>>5557865
I'm just glad the guy looks like a fucking badass.

>>5557883
Whoa, dude.

Dude

Whoa.

I'm afraid Bern might use Dine rules on the 7th game to crush Battler and Beato

TROLLKASTEL TROLLAN
FEATHERINE FACE ROLLAN
BATTLER CRYAN
BEATO LYAN
AWESOME SOUND TRACK LISTENAN
BULLSHIT PLOT TWISTAN
KANON BEING A BRO
JESSICA DOING WHO KNOWS

AUGUST 15th MOTHERFUCKER
IS YOUR BODY READY?

>>5557922
BRO AMONG BROS

>>5557920
I don't even care that, come Comiket, we'll be flooded with /a/. Everyone gets so caught up in crazy spoilers and shit that no one really notices or cares.

>>5557883
Man you're fucking great. Thanks!

>>5557922
>>5557926
Whoops.

>>5557896
You know what will Battler's reply be?

TONIGHT, WE DINE IN HELL!

>>5557799
and again:
NO FAIR
NO DINE
NO KNOX

but.. Knox's rules has been stated in red.. so...

>>5557920
>BEATO DYAN

Fixed that for you, hon.

>>5557920
Fuck yeah, everyone.

Are you ready for some awesome Episode 7+AGTH+Atlas combo-ing?

Cause I sure as hell am.

>>5557889
20. And (to give my Credo an even score of items) I herewith list a few of the devices which no self-respecting detective story writer will now avail himself of. They have been employed too often, and are familiar to all true lovers of literary crime. To use them is a confession of the author's ineptitude and lack of originality. (a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect. (b) The bogus spiritualistic se'ance to frighten the culprit into giving himself away. (c) Forged fingerprints. (d) The dummy-figure alibi. (e) The dog that does not bark and thereby reveals the fact that the intruder is familiar. (f)The final pinning of the crime on a twin, or a relative who looks exactly like the suspected, but innocent, person. (g) The hypodermic syringe and the knockout drops. (h) The commission of the murder in a locked room after the police have actually broken in. (i) The word association test for guilt. (j) The cipher, or code letter, which is eventually unraveled by the sleuth.

>>5557935


Fuck yeah Gohda

>>5557870
>>5557883
>>5557935
I need to buy another monitor now.

>>5557906
THIS

>>5557942
>(a) Determining the identity of the culprit by comparing the butt of a cigarette left at the scene of the crime with the brand smoked by a suspect.

Kyrie trolling Dine in EP 7 confirmed.

>>5557906
Yeah, looking forward for fucking awesome red-blue-gold sword fight with Battler in the end of episode.

>>5557906
Battler looked pretty badass too in the portrait, didn't he.

>>5557961
Battler in the portrait - Awesome
Battler in EP 6 - BAAAAWWWW BEAAATRIIICEEE

>>5557961
Ah, my hopes and dreams were crushed...

>>5557896
Idea: Knox and Dine rules only apply to the story presentation, not to the reality on the island, so they just constrain the moves that can be made. So for instance, even if there is a love interest, Bern could state Dine 3 in red and forbid any evidence of it from being presented during the seventh game. The detective side (and interfering bystanders) would just have to work around the restrictions to get the truth out.

So if you can't speak Japanese, then why not wait until it's translated?
And if you think it's annoying to be "behind" the japanese, then why not just pretend they don't exist?
Or..,just pretend EP7 alltogether doesn't exist.

Doesn't the spoilers ruin the actual reading experience?

>>5557936

Actually he'll probably just be useless and cry again

>>5557986
no not really. I spoiled the hell out of myself for EP 5 and still enjoyed reading it (even though it was 90% trolling). I'll enjoy reading EP 6 even though I've spoiled myself for it as well.

>>5557986

I'd go insane without knowing the spoilers and having to wait for WH.

>>5557988
No, Battler is allowed to have pithy comebacks sometimes. Like "make me a sandwich" from EP2.

>>5557976
oh my god. I need more pictures of Cape!Battler with smile troll face.

>>5557986
Some of us desperately ATLAS through it. Like when Dawn came out, some bro here started an ATLAS stream, and there was quite a bit of activity there. Myself and a few others were there anyway.

>>5557999

>>5557972
Battler won't be awesome until the very end

>>5557986
Some of us are simply not patient.

>>5557870
This is my current shipperfag wallpaper. I used lyrics from the Beato character song that's actually, you know, good.

>>5558009
oh yes.
*looking for more*

>>5557999
Hopefully he'll be doing this in Episode 8 if 6 was just his hopes of a miracle of occurring.

>>5557972
Battler in EP6 when Bern, Erika, and Beato weren't looking: badass genius mastermind.

>>5558014

I'd use that, but I would randomly start bawwing every time I got on my computer.

sage

>>5558022
I waiting for his troll face for YEARS
*still looking for pictures*

can we hope for a new troll face for him at episode 7 maybe?

>>5557442
Yes. The one she killed

well, we all know that "death" in Meta world isn't somthing you're able to trust

>>5558038
Oh hey, another idiot who doesn't know how sage works.

>>5558014
Fuck, now I have to go listen to that again. I'd use that if it wasn't too small for my monitor. ;_;

>desperately ATLAS through it
Yeah ok.. I knew that.
Really though, that's what I would call "a significantly worse experience".
If AGTH like tools were enough, then translations wouldn't be needed.

Sure if you hook out the text then you could actually take time on each line, translating it. I would still call that more of a translation work rather than a genuine reading experience though.
Otherwise, machine translations ayn't that good.
And what's the hurry?
After EP6 it's EP7 (this one) and after EP7 there will still be EP8, so you will still have to wait no matter what.

A pro tip is to save yourself from needless waiting, and find yourself something else to occupy your time with (even though this can be a really hard task for some with not much to do), and then wait until EP8 is released, or at least until EP6 and 7 are properly translated.

You are going have to wait regardless, so why not choose the options that grants you the highest quality?

>>5558014
>implying Chain is not good

...

>>5558064
Chain is good but reminds me of DEEN.

>>5558063
Learn Japanese grammar, then use AGTH + Rikaichan for vocabulary. Recipe for success.

lol, again reached it's limit?

>>5558014
which song did you use?

>>5558072
The last thread is still alive.
I'm sure this one will survive for another few hours yet.

>>5558068
See, it would remind me of DEEN if it were her cackling and singing about how much she loves killing people. I was surprised by how nice it turned out.

On the other hand, I'm glad Frontier Works never made a Battler character song CD. It would be about how much he wants to kill Beato and how evil she is.

>>5558068
DEEN didn't produce Chain. They only produced the anime. Frontier Works was in charge of the character songs, the drama cds and even the VA casting.

>>5557883
and now it's my wallpaper too.
supporting the jessica/kanon hybrid theory btw

>>5558092
I'm still asspained about the lack of the "my golden witch" line.

>>5558092
If they made a good song about Beato that was accurate, what makes you think they would do an inaccurate song for Battler?

>>5558063
Simply because I don't want to. I can go through it now, enjoy it along with the spoilers I read around, and then enjoy the game again when the patch is out.

>>5558000
Yeah, keep an eye out for it.

I'll obviously be doing it again.

>>5558124
Which stream was this?

>>5558105
Their drama CDs. I think Battler only really ever interacted with Beato in one track, and he was a total asshole to her.

>>5558129
Meanwhile, the doujin ones are amazing.

>>5558128
You don't recognise my name?

Heh, just kidding. It was the seacatsbgm one.

I'll probably start with some BGM'ing first though.

>>5558064
Don't get me wrong, I do like it. But it's far too sombre, and doesn't really fit with my image of Beato. Golden Nocturne and Birth of a New Witch fit her so much more, in my opinion.

>>5558077
金色の夜想曲~Golden Nocturne~, from the ROKKENJIMA in LOVE CD.

Speaking of Drama CDs has the Drama CDs for 'Stakes Valentines' and 'Beato's White day' have been released?

>>5558148
Yeah, they were released ages ago. They'll never be uploaded, so give it up.

>>5558141
new thread

>>5558157

What I'd do for some random Jap to just upload it in the net ;_;

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h60RW6s0sQA
;_;

So anyone got a DDL of the new opening song?

Also, time for a new thread.

>>5558324
http://www.office-mk.co.jp/pcshop/special/ep7_l.mpg
>>5558141

So.. the ones I crossed out are the ones I've finished.

Of the ones that aren't crossed out, which do I put my priorities to, and which ones are already translated?