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well bernkastel is

He did unsuccessfully revive beatrice, because she split into two and battler has to find a way to put back together!

>I have faith in Ushiromiya Battler. He kicked the shit out of the haters in episode 5, and he managed to revive Beatrice completely in episode 6. If you think he's going to fail to save his family, you haven't been reading the same Umineko I have.
Got that for you.

Ah, Bernkastel is just going to troll George, Jessica, Natsuhi, and everyone else who Shannon associates with. In the end they'll be able to forgive Shannon and all will be saved. Bernkastel has a rather pathetic track record at beating Battler and his golden witch.

But The God said he is going to make a bittersweet ending.

>>5474695
But that's only what happened if you can't read Japanese and tried to interpret the plot from the pictures.

>>5474695
He said he MIGHT make a bittersweet ending, but I don't think anyone expected the Meta-world to stay anyways.

that makes Ronove a fiction inside a fiction ;_;

I miss the days of the pony theory. Everyone was so optimistic then...

>>5474700
Ryukishi has DID, he's lied on more than one occasion already, fuck that guy, his interviews are more suspect than the goddamn witches in his story.

>>5474766
I never liked the pony theory, but then again, I'm a mysteryfag who got suckered into thinking this was anything more than a fantasy love story.

>>5474766
There was too much hobo end shit back then.

I miss the days of the fistfight end.

so now what is the trend theory? Shkannontrice?

>>still thinking that Shannon is the culprit

I lol'd.

>>5474770
When did he blatantly lie? He's just extremely vague.

>>5474809

I'm waiting for " ERIKA IS A GOOD GIRL" without source again.

>>5474803
Yes. Trend for retards and people who dan't want to think anymore. Even if it contradicts Ryukishi or doesn't solve anything, they don't care.

>>5474813
Almost every of his interviews are without source and are taken from 2ch or some other shit hole, like the most recent one.

>>5474803
Pretty much. In their defense, it holds the most weight, but that's either because we as fans have missed something, or Ryukishi is terribad at this whole story thing, which is still very possible.

Either way, I would be very shocked if Shannon was the culprit, even with all the evidence. Hell, the evidence only makes me believe more that she isn't the final boss.

I don't mind Shkannon. Once you add the "trice," shit gets messy.

Seriously, George can just take Sh(k)annon outside somewhere and fuck off for the next two games. They're too boring. Even when George is in yandere mode.

>>5474813
>Ryuukishi: That’s right. Her character shares many traits that were maliciously extracted from those held by great detectives. With sealing the doors and the like, she is unlike Battler in that she’s a hard worker, or maybe you could say she puts a lot of effort into her plans…… People vary on whether they like or dislike Erika. While Battler’s enemies before now have specialized in confusing him, Erika comes at him from the exact opposite direction, and I think this leads to a different kind of battle than the ones we’ve seen so far. I hope this becomes a new light to shine on the riddle-filled world of Umineko. It seems that some of our users have wondered “Did he use her as a representative of users who write malicious theories?”, but I leave such interpretations up to you. Umineko’s focus on battles every time is part of the world’s layout, so we must have a character who stands in clear opposition to Battler. So, if Erika had been a normal person, perhaps the battle and the tale wouldn’t have become so exciting. Though I think Erika herself is just bad at choosing her words and not really such a bad person.
If anyone can confirm whether it's the source or not, because I can't read Japanese.

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>>5474865
>Seriously, George can just take Sh(k)annon outside somewhere and fuck off for the next two games. They're too boring. Even when George is in yandere mode.
This, it's hard to stomach such a boring character being the answer. Takano was a decent antagonist because she was so fucking deliciously batshit and worked behind the scenes so well to cause the tragedies, I just do not see the last part with Shannon. She seems pretty damned stupid to me.

>>5474834
The problem is that I've never seen this interview where "Erika is a good girl", and It must be the same for most people. So either it does not exist, either without the context the meaning could be a LOT different, so it wouldn't be a "OMG A LIE".

>>Either way, I would be very shocked if Shannon was the culprit, even with all the evidence. Hell, the evidence only makes me believe more that she isn't the final boss.

Basically even if Shkannon is true, and I really don't think so, it is highly improbable that she is the culprit.
Either way we ARE missing something.
Even if Shkannon is true, either Shkannon was land of the golden witch, an was not needed to solve the mystery, so, try again, either Shkannon was not land of the golden witch, and then we still have problems this part, which is supposed to be important.
Even if Shkannon WAS true,and it is not, it would not solve anything if you don't go " NO RYUKISHI LIED".

>>5474677
So the guy who gave in in magic and whose greatest accomplishments is figuring shit out offscreen while crying or getting BSODs during the episodes while wearing a stupid cape inspires you with confidence?

>>5474865
Pretty much this. Even when George is in full-out OKAY I'LL JUST KILL MY MOM TO MARRY SHANNON, IT'S NBD mode, he's still the most boring character. I'd rather read eight episodes of Battler trying to get his hair to be appropriately birdlike than have this end with George or Shannon being the culprit.

>>5474906
>while wearing a stupid cape
>cape
>stupid
Oh hell no.

>>5474872
To me, Erika sound more like a plot victim here,
"no she is not evil but I needed a bad guy so, I'm sorry for her."

>>5474916
I wish the cape was the main character.

I liked Umineko back when it focused less on the meta-world.

>>5474916
It's his grandpa's cloth clipped in way it would choke him if it got stuck and mismatched with his suit

>>5474906
But magic dos exist. the only question is your definition of " what is magic supposed to be here?"

>>5474935
First episode is still my favorite.

It was awesome when you felt like a detective trying to figure out just what the fuck is going on, now it's pretty much OH SHIT MAGIC BAWWWWWWW BEATORIIIIIIICHE FFFFFFFFFFFFFF CAPE XD

Fuck that noise.

>>5474916
I would buy this if it were an actual dakimakura.

>>5474950
The point is not if it exists or not.
It was 'solving shit without it'.

3 = 5 > 4 = 6 > 1 > 2.

It's like Harry Potter - the second one is the shittiest.

>>5474906
He gave in to magic only once, when he was new to all this shit. Later he endured tortures like a real man with a great determination.

>>5474976
>Chamber of Secrets
>the worst
OH HELL NO

>>5474981
You know it in your heart to be true.

>>5474960
That's why I liked EP5 so much. In Legend I was being a detective but only as a reader. In 5 I felt like Erika was an extension of myself inside the gameworld, doing all the sorts of shit I would do, it was really fun.

>he could have just used the window to-
fucking taped that shit

>battler could ha-
listened to him sleep all night

>>5474980
So 'WARLOCK BATTLER' is him prepping for Halloween?

>>5474994
Aja, you doing impossible things and shit still not making sense?
Great difference.

>>5474976
>2
Only the first half. The second one is pure awesome: some mystery, gore, dark, trolling and drama.

>>5474994
This. And listening to Battler sleep all night was basically the best thing ever, besides the mass chorus of not putting it past Grandfather.

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>>5475002
It makes perfect sense. Erika found the culprit. Just not the real one, but Battler didn't care about such thing before ep5 either.

>>5475010
A great detective you are.

>>5475014
Read "anti-mystery vs anti-fantasy" tip. Basically you can't be sure that you have found the real culprit no matter how much you try.

The detective of EP8.

>>5475022
Hell, the part about the last part queen problem (what a translation.) is awesome.

>>5474907
He's the most suspicious boring character though. With him being on his way in the business world And with all the stuff about the love duel and his occult knowledge and stuff I think Ryuksihi's going to pick him as the obvious culprit.

At least I hope so. If we get another insane bitch like Takano I'm going to be claiming Ryukishi is a misogynist.

>>5475042
If George ends up being the culprit, Ryukishi is going to have to pull some major strings in the series to make it work and not be immensely lame. George will have to reveal that he was in charge of fucking everything or something for it to be decent. Something crazy. Or someone can just give him a chainsaw and Battler can walk in on George dismembering someone, either one really works.

>>5475050
Well Eva basically said in episode one that if the 19th person doesn't exist someone is manipulating people into murdering each other. I think George and Kyrie fit the bill best.

There are still off island culprit theories too though.

>>5474994
Nah, I hate the Magic scenes and I hate the Meta World and I still hate Erika.

However, not for the reasons everyone else would say; I say her theories WERE TOO MINDLESSLY SIMPLE.

Does she REALLY think we didn't think of everything she said before?

>>5475022
That's why it's bullshit.
It fails as a mystery, and is more like referential wanking.

>>5475240
You don't get it. It is the same in real life, and in every other mystery novel, you know?

>>5475079
Erika knows basically nothing about the characters from the start. How do you expect her to come up with the type of theories that we make?

>>5475022

It think we can assume that 'anti-mystery' and 'anti-fantasy' were just a troll on Ryukishi's part, at this point.

>>5475285
No, not really.

>>5475622
It is. You can not be sure of anything because you are not god, an unknow factor can always change everything even if your theory is "perfect". Also true in real life.
And before another "not really", this reasoning is even applied in most courts.

>>5475494
Even if this was true, doesn't change the fact that what Ryukishi said in AM vs AF is one of the few logcal and true things in umineko.

>>5475494
Even if this was true, doesn't change the fact that what Ryukishi said in AM vs AF is one of the few logical and good things in umineko.

Eva kills Dumbledore

>>5475849
Dumbledore = Kinzo?

>>5475816
Except in this case, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IS FUCKING RELIABLE.There is a limit to how 'perceptions may be flawed'. Jesus fuck, if courts worked on a logic anything similar like this, the Phoenix Wright judicial system would be a betetr alternative.

>>5475896
It's only absolutely unreliable if you absolutely have no 'love'/trust for the author. That's what the whole ep5 was all about.

>>5475873
NOOO!

>>5475896
And nothing is reliable. Welcome in the real world, Neo.
Anyway yes, courts work this way. At least, they have to keep in mind that even if their verdict looks absolutely perfect, there is a chance that they are completely wrong because of a missing factor. It is a part of their job.

Yes, there is no " THIS is the truth / THIS is wrong." Even in the real world.
And Ryukishi said that if he wanted to, he could use this in higurashi, right now. So there is no reason for it not working in umineko.


>>It's only absolutely unreliable if you absolutely have no 'love'/trust for the author. That's what the whole ep5 was all about.


It is really ridiculous to see the number of people who seems to have COMPLETELY forgotten the beggining of the second tea party. Well, no, the number of people who have forgotten half of ep5, in fact (the other half is Erika's trolling).