/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Say that again in American please

Er...

You're an English major, I take it?

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>>5361317

Well that's, just like, your opinion, man.

>>5361317
You should play Swan Song.

What the fuck am I reading?

He means it's fascinating how little is enough to stimulate us in just the right way

I can probably translate this to normal english for you guys...but I'm not going to bother and just bask in my own superiority.

>>5361317
You are writing words with individual meanings, but when I read them I just go "lol wut?" ...

>>5361385
fuk u nerd

I don't play VNs, I come to /jp/ for the Touhou; so I can't really comment on OP.

English is my second language but I understand OP just fine, and I guess that is what people do like with VNs, even though they probably wouldn't put it like OP.

I feel the same way about you're mother OP.

The moment I read "visual culture" Genshiken's OP started playing in my head. Does anyone else feel the same way?

What he loves about VNs is the idolization of short lived things.
How the complicated interactions are simplified, and how distant memories are condensed, often in absurd ways.
Though the result may not be comparable with great works of other media, they are easily accessible and very enjoyable.

>>5361450
>VNs
"visual culture"

>>5361456
Ah, I read culture as novels for some reason.
Read that as "otaku culture".

I'm talking about the intractable problem of experience. In that we exist as semiotic entities or "observers", we can only interpret events through our own hyperdimensional base context. Creating distinct categories and rules for interaction trivializes the problems faced in interpreting events and the impossible barrier of interfacing realities (i.e. the intercontextual conflict in communication across boundaries with wildy differing predictors and idea-processing substrates). The ultimate dilemma is whether or not continued indulgence in a static stream of signs is passable as a legitimate mode for a responsible sentient actor. I can't really come up with any other answer than "everything in moderation". We have our own responsibilities as societal beings after all, if only in the hope that our continual existence implies.

/jp/ - Visual Culture

hurr durr

>>5361317
>>5361528
I'm too undereducated for this, I can barely understand what you're saying. I don't even think I'm understanding it right. Thanks for feeding my inferiority complex.

>>5361528
Something about how social interaction is flawed because of, I don't even know anymore.

I got the first one but this is way over my level.
Bah, English is my second language anyway.

>>5361528
I agree that too much of this stuff can stifle communication ability, but if I understand you correctly, you also seem to be implying that language itself, having rules and standard phrases and formats, can be viewed as a barrier to interaction.
Reducing interaction and communication to small, simple elements can help to get a point across quickly and effectively, but does make it hard for new ideas to come out. This is putting me in mind of newspeak, in fact.

Lo siento no entiendo

>>5361528
Simplified choices make the medium accessible and are more involving compared to traditional medium. The observer feels somewhat responsible for the actions portrayed. This isn't avoidance as long as one doesn't shun normal interactions but the same can be said of traditional literary works. It would be seen as equally irresponsible to neglect one's whole life on epics, as with "visual culture". The latter is just a lot more aggravating socially as it is usually alien to one's immediate circle.

tl;dr social interaction is bullshit because we are confined by conventions determined by society at large. Which leads to confusion, anger, and difficulty communicating effectively. But multimedia and our anime drawings are more palatable because there's less to disagree with and they are open enough for us to see them as we want. Did I get close?

A picture is worth a thousand words.

>>5361674
>you also seem to be implying that language itself, having rules and standard phrases and formats, can be viewed as a barrier to interaction.

Kinda how like OP's complex way of speaking is a barrier of understanding to most Anons in this thread?

>>5361317
een online-algoritme een algoritme waarbij de invoer niet geheel bekend hoeft te zijn wanneer het algoritme begint. Dit staat tegenover een offline-algoritme waarbij de gehele invoer bekend moet zijn voordat het algoritme kan beginnen. Zo kan insertion sort bijvoorbeeld geïmplementeerd worden als een online-algoritme terwijl dat bij selection sort niet mogelijk is (bij selection sort moet de lijst geheel bekend zijn, bij insertion sort niet). Bij online-algoritmen kan het zijn dat het antwoord niet optimaal is aangezien niet alle informatie van tevoren bekend is.

>>5361801
You think? That's probably the point.

>>5361801
That's a little different. A barrier due to lack of understanding and/or overuse of complex words and ideas is different than an inherent barrier due to language itself.
Most thoughts and emotions cannot be transmitted perfectly. All use of language is coloured by our own past experiences and perceptions.

I guess I'm just fascinated with the progression of awareness. This information age that we live in has defined our true nature as manipulators who exist in the void of idea-space. Before awakening as such, the sum of our experiences has molded the base context aggregation of our current state, colouring our awareness, and forming our individual response patterns.

Even more interesting is the affinity that continued interaction can bring and the formation of shared contexts through which ideas can be evaluated on planes which approaches parallel for a set of mutually-relevant dimensions.

Getting back to the point, I just appreciate that entire packets of emotional and past temporal states can be evoked by a single descriptor. Although it's ridiculous that the creator of a posited work could assume a single context-aggregate, the fact that some fleeting memory is activated by a single idea shape, and demonstrably across multiple actors shows the effectiveness of context schema triggers (memes, mythemes etc). I'd really like to see more works which are mindful of conscious thought processes.

It's kinda cute that there are people that can't understand this stuff.

>ITT: Hey guise check this out I bought a thesaurus

Ａｒｅ　ｔｈｅｒｅ　ｒｅａｌｌｙ　ｐｅｏｐｌｅ　ｔｈａｔ　ｃａｎ：ｔ
　ｃｏｍｐｒｅｈｅｎｄ　ｔｈｉｓ　ｔｈｒｅａｄ？　Ｈｏｗ　ｐａｔｈ
ｅｔｈｉｃ．

It appears that the notion of level of grammaticalness is not quite equivalent to irrelevant intervening contexts in selectional rules. For any transformation which is sufficiently diversified in application to be of any interest, this analysis of a formative as a pair of sets of features may remedy and, at the same time, eliminate a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. We will bring evidence in favor of the following thesis: the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is, apparently, determined by an abstract underlying order. However, this assumption is not correct, since an important property of these three types of EC is unspecified with respect to the strong generative capacity of the theory. On the other hand, any associated supporting element suffices to account for the traditional practice of grammarians.

Clearly, the descriptive power of the base component is rather different from a stipulation to place the constructions into these various categories. Summarizing, then, we assume that the systematic use of complex symbols does not readily tolerate the extended c-command discussed in connection with (34). Of course, a subset of English sentences interesting on quite independent grounds is unspecified with respect to a parasitic gap construction. Furthermore, an important property of these three types of EC is not quite equivalent to the requirement that branching is not tolerated within the dominance scope of a complex symbol. Nevertheless, relational information does not affect the structure of a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar.

>>5362093

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On the other hand, the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction is not quite equivalent to the ultimate standard that determines the accuracy of any proposed grammar. From C1, it follows that most of the methodological work in modern linguistics is necessary to impose an interpretation on the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon. On our assumptions, the fundamental error of regarding functional notions as categorial is rather different from a general convention regarding the forms of the grammar. It must be emphasized, once again, that the earlier discussion of deviance can be defined in such a way as to impose problems of phonemic and morphological analysis. We will bring evidence in favor of the following thesis: any associated supporting element is not to be considered in determining an important distinction in language use.

Contrary to what you may believe, using needlessly complex language to convey your ideas actually makes you appear less intelligent. If you are intelligent enough you should be able to put your ideas into simpler terms, which allow for clearer communication and are therefore better.

>>5362044
Unless you can provide specific examples, I think you're giving these things too much credit.
Evoking a common response isn't too hard, due to certain broadly-shared experiences and, often, a similar cultural background. Writers aren't necessarily consciously considering a reader's thought processes while writing, though.

This is a tl;dr thread.

It is made of wall and text.

>>5362044
>which approaches
I meant "which approach". You'll have to forgive me. I am extremely drunk.

>>5362122
Yes, let's use the simplest language possible. That's a great idea.

you're mom

Here, let me translate the OP into simpler English for all of you.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>5362122
As every sophont congregated within this 'thread', this internet equivalent of an informal congress or symposium of likeminded individuals, will no doubt concur forthwith, the use of obfuscatory and bewildering language acts not as a barrier to intercourse but rather as a filter of consciousness; a 'wall of the wills', if you will, that not only provokes an external reaction of interest and inquisition within an uninvolved individual, but also allows those who would not otherwise be enticed into such an arraignment to submit their thoughts to the 'thoughtstream', this collection of freefloating statements and discussion, and thus ensure the perpetuity and rejuvenation within the time that passes after the present for this symposium of sophonts, or 'thread', as it is known.

>>5362173
>that's one fucking sentence
Get off the computer, Sanae.

>>5362173
I don't think that's the case here. I think it discourages discussion in all but those who want to show off. But I guess this is /jp/ so there might actually be a lot of people like that here.

>>5362136

ah. that explains the fragmented thought process and smattering of misused words. carry on.

>>5362210
I am led to understand that in some would-be participants within a debate it can lead to some suspicions of satire, which may perhaps cause people to pass on this 'thread' for another 'thread' on the 'imageboard', which we may liken to an agora, or a Greek marketplace, in which many 'threads', perhaps taking the place of fine Grecian urns in this metaphor, are available for sale, some with lewd images upon them and all built for a different purpose. In this case the urn is painstakingly selected and constructed for the purpose of providing a distillation mechanism for the thoughts of those who would otherwise engage in a more lowbrow discussion with the hoi polloi that tend to frequent said agora. And continuing on with the metaphor, quite a few 'posters' or participants within the discussion will tend to be struck by what we might term agoraphobia, whereby they decide not to participate in a debate about the merits of the opposite of linguistic clarity. C'est la vie, as they say in France; there are always those who prefer to stay amongst their own kind during the discussion, hence the dialectic model of history whereby the bourgeoisie and the proletariat and possibly even the lumpenproletariat within that class divide are often separated. Such linguistic barriers to cross-class communication are perhaps a key component of the perpetuity of the class divide within western societies. I believe that if we can truly work towards constructing defensive perimeters of linguistic haze we can work towards the no doubt lofty and morally and ethically enriching and emboldening goal of perpetuating the class differences which have created the society in which we, the citizens and illegal residents of our western societies, are proud to represent in cross-cultural debate and discussion in the agora of the internet.

>>5362122
On one hand, you have to use a euphemisms to avoid the baggage associated with the common terms. On the other hand, if you overdo it, you won't be able to get your point across. One has to find a sweet spot and OP clearly went way past it.

>>5362256
Ah, I appear to have mislaid my 'image', the visual embodiment and perhaps the keystone of my entire stream of thought. Here it is.

What bothers me is that this is how college professors actually talk.

>>5362324
They at least have the excuse of aiming their lectures at people who should be able to understand them, as opposed to just spouting off on an imageboard.

>>5362256
Indeed. We have to reinvent old class diversity anew. The egalitarian spirit of this realm dwindles and with it's end we should occupy the highest strata created thanks to it's death.

I am intrigued by your idea and I wish to part of this endeavour. Do you have a mailing list I might subscribe to?

>>5362256
Is not such a process entirely too labor-intensive to be efficacious? The time and energy spent devising such "posts", monuments as they are to the all-too-human love of that which is overly and unnecessarily complex, would lead in my admittedly unreliable estimation to a situation in which "threads" such as this one, bearing within it many "posts" composed in the same manner as which you propose all such posts should be written, are simply left behind, their participants encumbered as they would be with the task of communicating entirely in such weighty prose, by many other threads on the same "board", in which, perhaps, the level of analysis (and certainly the level of complexity employed in sentence construction!) achieved by the participants would be significantly lower than in threads such as this. It is my belief that this endeavour would be fruitless, as on the more fast-moving of the boards which populate this website communication would be difficult to sustain, and indeed in any event, the volume of messages posted in the manner which you propose would be dwarfed in comparison to the quantity of messages posted by individuals not of the same persuasion as you or I. Such a situation would certainly make it difficult to convey your ideas to the general population!

>>5362358
>just spouting off on an imageboard
>doesn't understand that the posts are illustrative of the reductio ad absurdum of

Fuck now I'm doing it.

>>5362374
>and with it's end
>"it's" used in the possessive

It is my contention that the original post of this thread does not, in fact, contain any coherent meaning, and is simply meant to waste time.

>>5362448
I was hoping that we could discuss semiotics as it applies to cultural endeavour.

>>5361317
tl;dr

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>5362386
That's too bad. I liked your ad absurdum mode.