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I don't know any Kanji except from the ones i learned from nico and they pretty vague themselves.

>ya'll?

Get out.

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>>5288596
All kana and about 50 kanji. I need to learn more..

op here, forgot to add that by october of this year I plan to know about 2100 kanji.

I have over 300 kanji in Heisig. I'm also using Anki to review.

All kana down, starting grammar and kanji now... good luck guys.

I know enough to get the general gist of most comics, but not enough to know exactly what's being said word for word. So... maybe 150?

All kana and a little over 3100 kanji. Heisig + Anki really does work.

cool blog thread

bump

kana and maybe like 100 kanji
getting more serious about it recently

thanks OP I think I will study more again tonight

I'm better at reading than actually understanding what I'm reading.

Haven't had any motivation to continue reading anything either.

>>5288750
>Heisig

1400 kanji with kanjidamage + anki. hell yeah

anyone have experience with this book vs heisig?

I've been studying for 4 years and just got my degree in it. About to go live over there again. Here's my advice: After a while you can forget about learning to write kanji. Just read them. Once you know enough you'll be able to write them from memory because you know the parts, not the individual character. At least in my experience.

Also, don't learn Japanese from anime or video games. You'll sound like a faggot. That is all.

>>5289622

only good for people who love long pointless character origin discussions

"Kanji and Kana" Hadamitzky/Spahn is best, I think.

Still learning hiragana

;_;

>>5289663
Fight-O Nack!

>>5289663

>>5289577
How could you not have motivation? Manga? Doujin? VN? Other games?
Really, nothing?

>>5289674
>>5289679
Well, I started like a week ago, so it makes sense.

>>5289689
You're making flashcards, right? They're really important.

>>5289693
You mean something like this, but with the kana?

No, but I guess I should. So far I've only been reading various japanese guides, memorizing 5 at a time and writing them plenty of times. Also, making up random words and then translating them to hiragana characters.

Japanese is too hard for me to learn, German and FRENCH are easier.

>>5289710
That method sounds a lot more fun, but also a lot more slow. For hiragana just mess around with flashcards till you can generally recognize them and then read untranslated manga to practice.

>>5289710
I learned it like doing a "calligraphy book"
write them a lot of times and soon or later you remember them.
Isn't that hard.

>>5289723
But who gives a shit about french?

>>5289684
Currently part way through;

Tales of Vesperia
Verita
Akatsuki no Goei
MuvLuv
Evolimit

etcetc. I just stop reading and never get around to opening the VNs again even though I have nothing else to do.

>>5289747
Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm doing. And like I said, I'm also making up random words with, say, the "k" kana and the "vocals", like

keikoku
aiko
okuo
kiako
keuke
anako
etc.

And then I write them in hiragana. That, so far, has been pretty useful. There's also these online exercies that help me recognize them, but the problem is that, when I go to the sheet of paper to write them, I already forgot how the traces go.

>>5289746

Yeah, I hadn't really thought about making them, but now that you mention it, it's not a bad idea. I'll get to it tomorrow.

How much would you say it takes to memorize hiragana and katakana?

>>5289802
If you're using flashcards? Not long. Keep in mind while studying Japanese, Hiragana/Katakana will come up so much that you can't possibly forget them. Just make a deck of all hiragana on flashcards, mix it up, and start running through it quickly trying to identify the hiragana. Keep doing this till you can identify them all quickly.

>>5289754
Take that back, France is beautiful, French people are nice, France is kickass.

>>5289817
The French language is so ugly. Or laid. Wasn't that the French word for ugly? That's all I remember, because if you're UGLY you don't get LAID.

>>5289817
I guess it can be romantic or whatever, but it's not really that useful for me or as widespread really.

>>5289814
Thanks, I'll do that, sounds like a great idea.

Know all Kana, but only about 40 Kanji. But I didn't really start learning by actually putting an effort into things until about 3 months ago.

How long would you guys say it would take to start translating doujins and stuff. It's one of my main inspirations so far. Lame I know, but hey, more translated doujins can't hurt right?

I'm up to 1832 kanji. It's too bad I still can't read fucking anything.

>>5289915
VNs? Long time.
Doujins? No time at all.

Also, does grammar take long to learn, or is it really basic? Also, vocabulary.

Oh, and there's something that has been bothering me, and even if I'm gonna learn why once I start studying the grammar, I want to know it know: How the hell do you recognize when a word ends in a sentence (I'm talking about sentences without kanji, only kana)? There's no spacing or anything, so everything seems like a long word.

>>5289952

Not too sure myself. I've heard grammar is pretty easy and straightforward compared to english.

>>5289956
Yeah, but that could be because english is fucking retarded.

All the kana. Very little kanji. It's not sticking to me.

IT'S BECAUSE I'M STUPID.

>>5289952
Grammar's relatively easy, but mastering it is a lot tougher than many people seem to make it out to be. And by that, I mean recognizing it and picking up the proper meaning in real sentences.

You'll naturally pick up where words end and begin with time. It's really not as hard as you might think.

>>5289964

>Trollkastel

Hmmm....

>>5289966

Keep it up man, you aren't stupid.

>>5289976

/hugs you

>>5289970
Oh, so you basically have to figure out the words by their place in the sentence, and the words around it? I guess japanese really IS all about context.

>>5289976
Well, trolling aside, even though I'll probably spend a good part of my life translating english, I still think it's not very rich compared to other languages, the pronunciation is silly and the grammar is pretty stiff.

>>5289966
Stuff WILL stick with time. Just pound it in until it does. It's how I picked up the majority of my vocabulary that wasn't from reading.

>>5289831
You will never crush my FRENCH SPIRIT.

>>5290088
bon histoire frère

>>5288596
i know about 800-900 kanji, able to have convo in nipponese, but not very well or fast

>>5290247
You really don't need to learn Kanji to able to converse in Japanese.

At the beginning of the year I had some sort of motivation rush, read through yotsuba!& raws and learned about 300 kanji in a few weeks.
Then I took a small break and forgot pretty much everything. Now I need much more motivation because I basically have to start all over. Feels worthless.

>>5291059

I did something similar. The only way that I would probably ever learn is if I was stranded in Japan somehow and didn't have a way to leave.

>>5291059
Well I hope you learned that cramming isn't effective when studying a language. Unless you review like crazy maybe.

>>5291132
Then tell me, great master, how else should you go about learning kanji if not cramming? And of course reviewing is the most important part to it.

>>5289952
Invest in a decent grammar guide, I say. Picked one up at a temporary discounted books shop for AUD 7.00. (Later found it in a bookshop for AUD 25.00, so what a bargain. ^_^)

>>5291045
Weeaboo. Reading and writing Japanese is just as important as the communication. Otherwise, enjoy the myriads of homophones, distinguished by only two fcuking tones! (òωó)

>>5289663
Learning hiragana and katakana shouldn't take long. Keep in mind it's not an alphabet, but a syllabary (that include syllabic n (ん) ).
Protip: Don't waste money on flashcards for kana. Makes as much sense as buying an Esperanto alphabet chart.

As for me, I studied Japanese in an adult college for a year. Learnt around 400 kanji, plus I memorised 御 ("honorific prefix"), so I don't have to worry about which of (o-, go, gyo-) to say.

Started about three weeks ago, I have the 106 hiragana variants down and I'm beginning on the katakana. I found these online flash cards to be helpful. They have sets for hiragana, katakana and both combined.

http://manuelsweb.com/nippon.htm

I know about 500 kanji, though most are read only. But be honest, how often are you going to write Japanese by hand anyways?

After one week, I can say I remember all hiragana and half kana thanks to a typing game.

>>5293085
link?

all hiragana

some katakana

40-50 kanji

Ds with kanji sonomama ecc. on r4

I'm at 1400~ for the last year, I have kind of lost my motivation after dealing with massive amounts of grammar. Still, I skimp over a raw doujin or two every month, I just can't fap anymore without being able to understand the bubbles...

sometimes i help japanese grannies in tourism here in milan

I know all the Kanji except the one for house.

just started studying hiragana last week, using flash cards and online quizzes.

last night i was playing project diva and had a bit of a "holy shit" moment when i realized i could actually read the lyrics at the bottom. (not that i understand what most of the words MEAN, i can just read them now.)

funny how what looked like random scratches a week ago suddenly makes sense...

>>5293108
>>lost my motivation after dealing with massive amounts of grammar

I speak and read 6 languages including my native Swedish, I can't punctuate for shit, I don't know any grammatical rules but the most obvious and universal ones, I've had to steer the conversation away more then once in my life when the subject of vowels, nouns or similar comes up.

TLDR; Grammar means shit when learning new languages. Just adapt the universal grammatical rules shit to Japanese and you should be fine unless you're preforming a test in front of a teacher.

If we're going by that, I've finished learning the new JLPT 3 required Kanji, but I'm losing motivation quickly. I feel like I've hit a wall and won't progress unless I go live in Japan or something that will force me to learn.

>>5293757
You'll be more impressed when you get to the point where you can look at a kanji once, close your eyes, and remember exactly what it looked like. Eventually you just get used to the shapes.

>>5293850
Looking up a lot of kanji by radicals will help you get to that point real fast.