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The entire series is a giant troll. Magic exists and a witch did it. The end.

How many of these are there?

It was done by magic, but not by witches.
The end.

>>5238655

It was done by witches, but not with magic. Unless you count SEX APPEAL as magic.

>>5238690
Just what are you trying to imply I wonder.

Her head flowers are on the wrong side.

Nobody was killed in Episode 5

>>5242950
They were, even before Natsuhi went to closet.

Yeah, sure let's go with that.

>>5238633
>>5238643
>>5238646
>>5238669
Oh god, they're all so enraging....

>>5242957

Then, hmm, you COULD tell at a glance they'd be dead.

But that isn't the same as saying they're dead. That only guarantees somebody would deffinetly think they're dead. A fake body would still give the same impression, no?

But a fake body is still a fake body.

Yeah?

>>5242950
And at the very least, Krauss **was killed long ago, shortly after you heard his voice over the phone**, which was in the morning.

>>5242957
They were playing dead, naturally. It's impossible for them to play dead and fool everyone, but not if everyone accepted the fact that they are dead. So everyone knew that the five of them are actually alive, with the exception of Erika. Same goes for the knocking, there was never actually a knock on that door, but everyone believed that they... heard it, so Battler could be the head of the family.

Ushiromya Kinzo is very much alive, isn't he? You can only trust the detective

Episode 5 could and most likely was done by either the cousins or Rosa, with aid from Hideyoshi. Our lovely Beatrice has an alibi, as Gohda can attest to.

>>5242967
That's true, but notice how Beato is referring to THESE corpses and says that they are dead. And we also know that **no corpses exist except those of characters who have appeared in the story**, so double corpses don't work.

>>5242972

... Why would they all decide:

"Oh! I know what we'll do! Let's pretend we heard a knock at the door!"

>>5242972
They were playing dead at the time of "discovery" of the crime. Then they were killed by someone.

>>5242976

I would say:

"Defining corpses is tricky. You could say that a fake body made of something that isn't human isn't a corpse. It could work, maybe.. Sort of.."

But saying "THESE corpses", yeah, I have to admit those dead whatevers must be legit.

>>5242977
Because they had to get Kinzo's permission somehow, or reveal the early death of Kinzo. This way they are in a win-win situation, Natsuhi can't prove that it wasn't Kinzo who gave the ring to Battler and revealing that he is dead would remove Krauss from the position of the heir position

>>5242991

Eeer not really sure.

But that sort of makes sense, yeah.

>>5242957
You're assuming too much.

They're corpses. At some point in the game, George and the others die, since they're dead by the end. When they become corpses, then they probably are such obvious corpses that it's impossible to mistake.

However, it's a given that a corpse is dead. If it was looking at them, not looking at their corpses. I'd agree.

It says anyone who looks at their corpses could see that they're dead. It doesn't say whether or not it's possible for their corpses to be seen, though. In fact, Gaap porting them off to a place beneath the gameboard where discarded pieces go or whatever it was she said could be a metaphor for the fact that at that point, it's impossible for anyone to see the corpses. Since they're not dead yet, so they're not corpses yet.

>>5242977
Same reason they said "Oh I know, let's forge a letter from Beatrice!"

It was a story they made up to try and secure Battler the headship since Natsuhi was cockblocking.

Stop simplifying things so much to make them sound stupid.

>>5242995
>At some point in the game, George and the others die
That's the main point and it was a reply to "Nobody was killed in Episode 5".

>>5243008
I'm just pointing out they didn't necessarily die before Natsuhi went to the closet. It's vague. To say they somebody really killed them you just have to point out:
#George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, and Genji really are dead.
#All deaths were homicides.

>>5242965

>>5243097
The Japanese is completely unambiguous.

Before Natsuhi went in the closet:
Virgilia: # Anyone could confirm at a glance that George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, and Genji are dead.
Beato: # It is absolutely impossible for them to be playing dead. They are corpses that anyone could confirm at a glance are dead.

This was a private conversation between Virgilia and Beato which was not witnessed only by Meta Battler, and Beato didn't know Meta Battler was watching. There was no reason to lie or be tricky about it.

>>5242995
>>5243097
This red was made at that point, and no, I wouldn't agree that the corpses were in "some gap between the worlds, where time doesn't exist, so it's not necessary before closet sitting".

>>5243097
The Japanese is completely unambiguous.

Before Natsuhi went in the closet:
Virgilia: # Anyone could confirm at a glance that George, Jessica, Maria, Rosa, and Genji are dead.
Beato: # It is absolutely impossible for them to be playing dead. They are corpses that anyone could confirm at a glance are dead.

This was a private conversation between Virgilia and Beato which was witnessed only by Meta Battler, and Beato didn't know Meta Battler was watching. There was no reason to lie or be tricky about it.

>>5243124
>and no, I wouldn't agree that the corpses were in "some gap between the worlds, where time doesn't exist, so it's not necessary before closet sitting".
Even though things like this are specifically said?
>In this place, questions such as 'Where is this?' and 'What time is it?' have no meaning.
>Every single place led to here, but no places could be reached from here. Furthermore, all times connected to this place, but no time could be passed to from here.

>>5243134
Witch-hunt's translation is still "corpse", are you saying they just pulled that word out of nowhere? Also, your meta-analysis of the scene doesn't really apply. It could easily just be a scene to trick the reader until the end of the episode.
>"Why did Lia use the red.....?"
>"Who knows. ....However, she is always thinking of Milady. She's probably thinking of something that will benefit Milady."

I find it funny someone could make that collection of screenshots, but miss the important parts, specifically that the place these corpses are in has no time and place.

>>5243201
>specifically said
Because we have such a honest and trustworthy narrator, right? Like you say:
>It could easily just be a scene to trick the reader until the end of the episode.

It also says:
>"Who knows. ......However, she is always thinking of Milady. She's probably thinking of something that will benefit Milady."
>The way that these corpses, which Gaap had gone to all the trouble of erasing, had now been confirmed with the red made a slightly displeased expression rise to her face.
What's the point for Virgilia to practically confirm their deaths, but make the time of the death not less ambiguous? There is no.

>>5243280
So now you want to say that since it's not in red, the narration about it being in a timeless place could just be a lie? I could by the same reasoning claim the narration up to that point and after it that implies this takes place at a certain time immediately before the closet scene (if you ignore this whole timless part, which seems to be what you ant to do) is just as untrustworthy.

Gaap does not realize the reason why it's been done, nor does Ronove. She did not practically confirm the deaths. She confirmed the deaths in a place where time or place is irrelevant. There is plenty of reason to make the time of death ambiguous, because then Erika will eventually be tripped up, like at the end of the episode.

You should give it up already. Despite what you may want to believe, their death is by no means confirmed to have occurred by that time. It still could be at any point after the initial "discovery" until the end of the game.

>>5243322
It could be a metaphor. Just like the demon erasing the corpses. You don't think it actually happened, do you?
>There is plenty of reason to make the time of death ambiguous, because then Erika will eventually be tripped up, like at the end of the episode.
If she wants to trap Erika then there's no reason to confirm their deaths in the first place. She wants to give a hint to Battler, who should then find the real truth to defeat Erika's one.
Erika thinks that they were killed during an hour before 1 a.m. and were dead since then. Limiting that time span from the end doesn't benefit Erika, but can give a hint to Battler.
Furthermore, that truth won't affect Erika's tripping up at all, because she doesn't know it.

>>5243398
Yeah, the demon erasing the corpses and putting them in a timeless realm didn't happen. It's a metaphor for the fact that they aren't dead yet so that their corpse can't possibly seen. Instead of accepting the possibility the deaths happened later, you just keep questioning this irrelevant point. In that case, what's the point of the red being used at all? She doesn't know Meta-Battler is watching, and you say Erika can't know it. In a private meeting with only people who know the truth and so don't need red present, it doesn't make sense. You may as well question why Natsuhi's statement about Shannon was in red, because there's no reason to that other than to try and deceive the reader the same way Natsuhi was deceived by the simple trick.

>>5243428
>She doesn't know Meta-Battler is watching, and you say Erika can't know it. In a private meeting with only people who know the truth and so don't need red present, it doesn't make sense.
Beato doesn't, Virgilia does, that's why she uses red.

I never managed to get the Translation Patch to work, so I still haven't read Book 5 ;_;

>>5243816
Then we probably don't miss the valuable detective anyway.