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Gensokyo doesn't exist, so we'll win by default anyway.

Our bullets are faster.

Yeah, probably.
Gensokyo would never do such a thing though, so eh.

QUALITY THREAD.

Can Touhous thrust vector?

>>5175641

Not only that, but also hover with full control on every axis.

>>5175641

This thing can turn on a dime )ry

>>5175641

I'd thrust into a Touhou's vector.

Do we want to win?

I, for one, welcome our Gensokyo overlords!

>>5175673
I'd thrust my vector into a Touhou.

If Gensokyo wins, I'm sure the Scarlet Devil Mansion will just process us humans for food.

>>5175631
I was just about to type that. Also, the laws of physics and shit differ here so they would lose all their powers anyway.

AYAAAAAAAAAAAA MARRY MEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
*gets blown up by her air strike ;_;*

I want to lick frandle's afterburners.

>>5175656

Oh god....That brings me back to a time when I enjoyed 4chan more.

Why would you want to win? Surely death by a Touhou is better than anything else.

I'd say it depends on the real-world power of danmaku, the limits of theirs abilities and the advantage of surprise. Besides the immortals, biological warfare could eliminate most of them easily and I doubt they can resist a nuke. Yukari, Yuyuko and the likes can be troublesome but I doubt they can fight off the whole planet at once. Unless Yukari gap the whole world out of existence but ya'know, no fight with her is fair.

>>5175825
Imagine Yuka (also the equivelant of a tank), Marisa, Shinki, and Patchy as the artillery. The Air Force would be gone.

The uber-tier Touhou powers aren't particularly well explained in canon. Can Yuyuko kill every human instantly? Can Remilia 'manipulate fate' to win?

Would their powers even work in the real world?

>>5175846
That's why I haven't talked about taking them head-on.
I ain't a military geek but if I were to attack an ennemy who doesn't know about my technology/weaponry, I'd say my first strike would be the most devastruous(is that really a word) one. Reisen probably knows some stuff but most of them probably won't know the danger our weapons represents.

>>5175825
I'd say that if those from Gensokyo were here to invade/conquer, they wouldn't need danmaku. Some of the lesser bosses can be pretty devastating going by their powers and not necessarily their danmaku. Example: Yamame, despite being a Stage 1 boss, could simply manipulate a cure-less and contagious disease to level a population.

As others have said, I for one welcome our Gensokyo overlords.

>>5175891
>devastruous
No, it's not a word.

>>5175884
Gensokyo gets immigrants every once in a while, so there must yet be some holdouts in the outside world who haven't given up. And if all of Gensokyo dropped back in, so to speak, I'm sure the concentration of mystical power would be enough to overcome the skepticism in the area. Also, Japan loves their traditional monsters, so there's enough background there for them to thrive even without their fantasy land.

As well, there'd be tons of casualties if the border ever came down. Gensokyo would telefrag the entire region it used to be in.

Things are defined differently in Gensokyo's universe than they are in our own. Magic is an integral and obvious part of life there, and that is even true to some extent outside of the border (after all, we see a lot of magic come in from the outside world in canon).

However, our own universe is non-magical, and does not rely on magic or even define entities or energies in such terms.

Any entity traveling from one universe to another is essentially traveling between sets of definitions and rules for existence, and so the entity would need to be converted by that universe (or convert itself) into a form that is well-understood by the new universe.

Basically, that would reduce all of the horribly powerful youkai, spirits and even humans to some more manageable form... and in some cases the translation may wind up destroying necessary structures for these beings to exist as sentient entities.

So yes, I would say we would not only win, but we'd never know we were being invaded.

>>5175884
If you want to go into science-sounding mumbo jumbo...

>>5175872
I always interpreted Yuyuko's ability as this: she releases a kind of psychic shockwave that causes people's fail to simply belly-up, no warning whatsoever. She can focus on specifically targeting someone or killing everyone within a certain radius. The souls released from the dead become butterflies and simply fly off.

Remilia's is a little more... tricky. May need time to boil over some ideas.

All things considered I think it's reasonable to assume most of the residents require their brain to be in one piece to continue living.

Direct confrontation would be extremely inadvisable, but snipers and long range missiles would be devastating.

>>5175939
Psychic shockwave? She taps into the power of death, doesn't she? How does that translate into "psychic shockwave"? How is that any more sciency than her explanation?

>>5175900
I would also expect them to not expect us being 6,697,254,041. As far as we know, Gensokyo is relativly small so their idea of a big army isn't the same as ours.

Also, with their current level of medical knowledge, a disease that Yamame think is cure-less could be easily cured with drugs.

>>5175939
*people's hearts to fail

I am not on the ball today.

>>5175946
Assuming they even take damage normally. Isn't it said that physical attacks have very little effect on supernatural beings, necessitating the use of rituals and spiritual items to drive them away? Anyways, Cirno and the fairies all reincarnate anyways, and Kaguya/Mokou would be fine.

>>5175891
If Gensokyo was planning an invasion, surely they would be smart enough to send Kappa inventions (Hisoutensoku) and Yukari to test out/scout our weapons and general world.

>>5175947
I would say more pseudoscience than science, but oh well. If you can explain it better, please do.

>>5175977
The way I look at it is this:
She just rips the soul out of the body. It only works on mortals because, and this is only a guess, immortal souls cannot be moved faster than their physical bodies... perhaps they are too well bound or something like that.

>>5175977
"It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".

Actually, it's better off that way. To fall back on spiritual explanations is one thing, to try and fail to use science to explain the impossible is another.

>>5175620
In the same way that the Americans will never invade China, Gensokyo would never invade us. They know if they did China, the sleeping dragon, would awaken and crush them and start another dynasty.

Real reason why Gensokyo wont invade: ZUN said magic is no match for science. During the first Lunar war America alone was strong enough to go toe-to-toe with the Lunarians; despite the obvious disadvantages America would have had in a space war.

well, we can just nuke.
but the problem is the ones that survived it..
like Yukari.

so yea, if touhous invades us, say hi to Komachi.

>>5176026
Of course, that's an alternate universe in which magic is pretty well known... so it may be a very different USA than the one we're familiar with.

At our current technological advancement
Yes we can win as long as there is none of the american peaceloving/say-no-to-war bullshit
Your country would actually be very respectable if you removed those elements

Is it done, Yuri?

1. Our bullets aren't as slow as theirs
2. Their power wouldn't work here

>>5176057
No, Comrade Premier. It has only begun.

Gensokyo would be CRUSHED BY OUR DISBELIEF
>Rawr I'm an oni!
>That's nice, little girl. Oni don't exsist.
>GAAAAAAAAAaaaaaa-
>Whoa, trippy.

>>5176047
The lunar War had no mentioning of Americans having to rely on supernatural phenomena. ZUN explicitly said magic is no match against science. Reisen fled for her life during that conflict.

First, Gensokyo doesn't seem like the most tightly knit of societies. Even if they all always get along in the end, I can't see a bunch of the groups getting together to actually do something.

More importantly though,
>>5175632
Most of the time the bullets go a pretty lazy pace. Give a Touhou a second or so and she can get through as many bullets as she wants, but if it were a few supersonic guided missiles, she's got no chance. Think of how tough Eternal Meek can be.

Of course, that's thinking in terms of danmaku, rather than Yukari playing with the border between nuclear holocaust and not nuclear holocaust, or something similar.

isn't Aya supposed to be able to move fast enough to dodge real bullets? She can also control wind so if faced with enemy aircraft, she can screw with the wind and bring them down. In that case, Gensokyo has air superiority.

>>5175965
See: Okuu

Modern weapons can hurt them.

It's like in the Salvation War. The demons from Hell could take on anything before and up to World War II. The modern world turned them into minced meat in short order.

we sure dead when hell raven unleash nuclear attack,
one thing heard before death, "Caution...Caution...."

>>5176201
As long as her theme was playing at the same time, it would be the happiest day of my life!

>>5176149
modern-day missiles fly at speeds of mach 3 to mach 4.

An assault rifle's bullet speed is around 800-1000 kph.

A pistol's bullet speed is around 300-400 kph.

Assuming Gensokyo appears and erases whatever was in its place, worldwide skepticm is going to go down very quickly. From there Yukari could probably defeat us. Even if she can't fight everyone at once we wouldn't last long with her taking a major city every few days.

>>5176099
>Reisen fled for her life during that conflict

Read her story again. She fled before the war even started. And after it did start a bunch of bunnies were enough to win. Lunarians didn't even use their navy and top fighters.

>>5176149
What do you mean by "See: Okuu"? Anyways, I fully expect most Touhous could tank at least a mag of assault rifle bullets without being seriously hurt. They are monsters, after all.

Also, I stopped reading Salvation War after they explained that succubi use quantum entanglement to interfere with people's brains. The anthropocentric jingoism was also starting to get to me.

>>5176222
My bad.

M16A1:
Muzzle velocity is 3,200 ft/s (975 m/s)
Effective range is 600 yards/550 meters.

AK-47:
Muzzle velocity is 715 m/s
Effective range is 300-400 meters, depending on fire selection

A 50 cal. machinegun round burst is capable of separating a man from the waist down.

>>5176263
No. Succubi use pheromones to fuck with people's brains.

I don't like this topic.

ZUN stated that youkai they could easily bring down the barrier around Gensokyo and conquer the world, but they matured beyond that point and don't care about such things. They just want to have fun in their little enclave.

>>5176252
The Lunarians are demilitarized. They have a paltry defense force, numbers-wise.

>>5176263
What if that man is Mokou? What if she swoops overhead at treetop level? What if she's dropping fireballs on you at the same time?

>>5176099
You're still jumping to conclusions.
Science may have been what gave the Americans the upper hand, but I believe there is nothing that says they exclusively relied on science, either.

>>5176269
The chapter with Clinton killing a succubus said that quantum entanglement is involved. Also, it was way too masturbatory for my tastes.

Depends on how hard poison the reality is for beings from the other side of the Great Boundary (= fourth wall).

If the girls get to keep their powers, I do think humanity would have a fucking hard time outfighting even the level one bosses. Bringing any of the heavy hitters along for the ride would be just overkill.

Hell, Letty Whiterock probably could kill Earth by herself if she put her mind to it.

>>5176276

According to SSiB moon defense force consist of like a dozen of lazy bunnies. And they still defeated USA.

Would Chuck Norris work in this situation?

>>5176290
If you've read any Discworld books, then you'd be familiar with Death. Death is as real as real can be... he's a wholly non-magic being in an almost totally saturated magic world.

Magic has no effect on him, and he can literally slice apart the fabric of the universe because the magic makes it that loose.

We live in a universe that is like Death, only everywhere.
"Poison" is putting it mildly.

I see it this way. With an exception of a few, they can't hurt us, and we cant hurt them. Our weaponry would have no affect against their homeland, Gensokyo, that's protected by a powerful barrier that not even youkai can tamper with. In order to force a stalemate we would have to disable their offensive capabilities. Here's how: Kill Utsuho by taking her off guard with the power of our thermal nuclear weaponry (e.g., next-gen tsar bombas). Bribe Marisa or Reimu to get us in a good enough position to assassinate Yukari (probably using some type [CERN tier] rail gun).

The only way we could have a total victory is if we were able to discover what keeps Gensokyo ticking. Then it would be as simple as killing Reimu and bombing the hell out of Gensokyo's inhabitants before they get a chance to escape.

>>5176290

They can all leave without any harm now so this whole disbelief thing barely affect them at all.

And where is this whole science > magic thing coming from in the first place? Lunarians use science far more advanced than anything on Earth and they are still heavily dependent on magic.

>>5176280
Touhou takes place in our universe, with the caveat that magic and monsters are very real (but fading). So, there's no way for the USA to have smuggled troops up there without the knowledge of the outside world. In other words, only twelve soldiers have ever landed. Don't forget, too, that the Lunar capital is invisible and unfindable without proper training. It's entirely possible that the Apollo crews had immense difficulty finding it and only skirmished with small sorties.

Do you know what happens when a tank fires a sabot round?

The other tank's crew gets liquefied from the sheer force.

>>5176290
Don't forget that everyone in Gensokyo originally came in from outside, so the poison of skepticism can't be too choking.

>>5176316
If the border comes down, Gensokyo forcibly returns to the real world and obliterates whatever is in that region now, I imagine.

>>5176319

Gensokyo consists out of things people in the real world no longer believe in. This is canon, straight from Zun's mouth.

Real world is the opposite of Gensokyo.

>>5176320

We see ruins of human bases and wrecks of US vehicles in SSiB.

>>5176341
Oh.

Never mind, then.

ITT: My canon > your canon

>>5176319
It's possible that their technology only appears so advanced because it uses magic. Such is the natural course of advancement for any civilization in a magic universe.

>>5176320
"In a universe much like our own, but with magic" sums it up.

>>5176319
Those are wrecks of lunar probes and rovers.

aka, traced from a photograph.

Gentlemen behold! This thing I created!

>>5176315
I never though I'd get to disscuss these books on the internet.

Anyway, I agree with your idea.

>>5176335
>Youkai have created their own culture, one that is rich in spirit. Clever youkai prefer richness of the mind over material riches.

>Thanks to their magical culture, youkai could easily breach the barrier around Gensokyo. However, they chose not to do so; in fact, they strengthened the seal in order to prevent more humans from entering.

>However, youkai eat humans and natural humans are favoured as delicacies. Teams of cooks regularly venture beyond the barrier to hunt humans. They apply many methods to conceal their existence from humans of the outer world; accidents and people who run away from home... There are too many humans today for anyone to notice when a few go missing.

ZUN's words.

>>5176355
Blablah, that shit got overwritten, retconned, etc. already.

Youkai don't need the border on a fundamental level to survive (like we need air to breathe, say). It just protects them from all the nasty faith-based-weaponry-bearing humans out there.

It also functions as a dumping grounds for things forgotten by the outside world.

>>5176366
You might like this, then.

Utsuho is using nuclear explosions against the player and still looses. Not even nukes can bring down best Touhous.

VIVIT can beat both parties single-handedly.

>>5176297
>According to SSiB moon defense force consist of like a dozen of lazy bunnies. And they still defeated USA.
Yeah, the Lunarians were winning so badly that Reisen ended up fleeing for her life. Just the fact that Reisen, the former pet of the moonbitches was on the frontlines is a testament to how bad things were getting. And as you read in Kaguya's profile, the Americans were actually getting the best of the Lunarians up until a certain point. The only reason why they lost is because they weren't able to secure the capital. Stop trying to write this off as a light hearted segment from SSiB. Lots of Lunarians and moon rabbits gave their lives for their countrymen. Not for honor but for duty. If you read Shiki's dialog to Reisen she said Reisen was guilty for saving her own life and abandoning her comrades that died.

I'm going to go and email moot and tell him to make a rule that denying the lunacaust is against the rules!

>>5176367

"ZUN: Youkai don't eat humans anymore"

You want to know how the war with the youkai would look like? Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9Qe3vmKIo

>>5176408

You should really re read Reisen's story.

>>5176414
They do, mostly outsiders, and presumably criminals and those who want to commit suicide.

>>5176414
[citation needed]

>>5176362
Cool fanart, maybe one day they'll make a series that uses designs like that.

>>5176473
Check wiki. It IS there.

Bleh. I don't like these arguements over what's canon and what's not.
It's supposed to be open to interpretation. Believe what you want.

>>5176490
Vampires eat humans. There are at least 3, if not 4 vampires in canon.

>>5176490
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Encyclopedia:_Outsider

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Road_of_Reconsideration

It's implied at least.

They look like plasma balls or something, not nuclear explosions.

Anyway, youkai are not that organized enough to do a Fall of London or anything you see on a large scale in Doctor Who.

>>5176492
Bam. Exactly.

>>5176414

Humans living in Gensokyo. There they act like friends. Outsiders are a different story.

>>5176503
At the same time, it's said that Perfect Memento, being originally a guide to defense against the supernatural, kind of exaggerates the dangers. Akyu actually writes about how youkai pretend to kidnap humans and humans pretend to go and defeat them, all for fun and tradition.

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>>5176509
They're more like miniature suns. In the end, they're just a form of danmaku anyways, with a freaking huge graze radius.

Powerlevel thread without Suigin?