/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>5117893
Wow, a forgein Pro gambler.
Amazing thing!

Is Jenn Barr actually any good, or is she only famous because she's a westerner (like the Go player Michael Redmond)?

>>5117963
Lol. Please refrain from comparing something like Go with Mahjong!

>>5117963
After reading an interview, she surely had some connections to become one.

Also, she isn't making any real money with it, just sponsoring contract!
She has to do part-time-jobs to survive.

I wouldn't want to become a pro even if i get the chance to. Rather i would go for Poker than Mahjong.

So I just had my ass handed to me by the rules of furiten. Lol3p, but whatever.

Hand is [222]333445688 sou and hatsu (2s is open pon).
Turn 12: Draw 8 sou, discard 6 sou. Hand is now [222]333446888 sou and hatsu.
Turn 13: Draw 4 sou, have to pick to wait on 6 sou or hatsu for pair. Stupidly pick 6 sou since less likely to see hatsu. Hand is now [222]3334446888 sou and furiten because of the 5 sou discard.
Turn 14: Draw hatsu, feel like shooting self in face, proceed to not draw a 6 sou for the rest of the game and be forced to watch other players discard 2.

God damn it.

So I just had my ass handed to me by the rules of furiten. Lol3p, but whatever.

Hand is [222]333445688 sou and hatsu (2s is open pon).
Turn 12: Draw 8 sou, discard 5 sou. Hand is now [222]333446888 sou and hatsu. Iishanten.
Turn 13: Draw 4 sou, have to pick to wait on 6 sou or hatsu for pair. Stupidly pick 6 sou since less likely to see hatsu. Hand is now [222]3334446888 sou and furiten because of the 5 sou discard.
Turn 14: Draw hatsu, feel like shooting self in face, proceed to not draw a 6 sou for the rest of the game and be forced to watch other players discard 2.

God damn it.

>>5117963
How many other White pro-mahjong players do you know?

>>5118169

I know a few nazi mahjong pro playa.

Mother FUCKER.

>>5118207
That was a long game!

>>5117963
She isn't good, that's why she's always in the bottom leagues.

Kojima-sensei probably wanted some blonde gaijin chick to suck his cock.

>>5118159

Did you draw a 1 or 9 sou? You should have waited on that. Sure, no open tanyao, but people love discarding end tiles.

>>5118219
oh you

>>5118207

Wow only a scrub would deal that tile. You suck at mahjong.

>12 people in lobby
>1:0 for 4p

You 3p faggots

>>5118207
>This is bullshit.jpg

It's gambling. Luck plays the major part.

In before hurrr durrr trolls "Stop being shitty."

>>5118235
You can avoid mostly shitty situations by not being a dumbass. Otherwise good players wouldn't have good ranks and shitty ones bad ranks.

>>5118229
Care to explain, fag?
Sorry, but you have nothing to offer besides the standard phrase.
Sure, you must be a sad person.

>>5118207
I fought hard for that 2nd place (+5.0).

>>5118235

You can't say "it's gambling" and then say you think 4p is more viable than 3p. Make up your mind.

>>5118261
Watch me.

>>5118245
>implying it has nothing to do with being lucky

Sorry, but you have yet to give me one example.

As mentioned several times. Some people programed a bot and wouldn't went even beyond 1Dan.

It's so ridiculous to say Mahjong is a skill game.

Sorry, bad news for you delusioned one. Mahjong = gamble.

>>5118261
Lolwut?
Where did i comment about 4p being more viable than 3p?

I play 4p because it is designed for 4p and it is just more thrilling with more people.

>>5118282
Mahjong is a combination of both luck and skill. The exact ratio depends on the ruleset, but it is never purely one or the other.

>>5118282
Wait. I'm not following you there. What does bot have to do with gamble?

>>5118282
A bot can be the most skilled player on earth.
Why isn't that bot 7dan?

>>5118307
To pove my point that Mahjong depends heavily on luck as some of the delusioned fags here don't want to realize.
Especially online, where you even can't do shit like trying to read the opponent or even cheating (something Akagi did most of the times).
And with no wagers at all, you can play freely.

>>5118302
It's heavly lucked based.
I haven't said that you don't need skill at all.

>>5118307
Disregard this, I misread your post.

Also iirc bot was 2-3 dan or so.

>>5118316
I don't know what you are trying to imply, but to answer your question.
The bot simply didn't have much luck.

Unless you are some sort of para-scientist and say that intuition is something quantifiable which replaces "luck".

>>5118356
"intuition" in the context of a game like mahjong is simply subconscious pattern recognition

>>5118356
>>5118371


Vegeta, what does the scouter say about this faggot's samefaggotry level?

>>5118377
It's zero.

>>5118377

>>5118371
What patterns?

Can you see through the tiles?

Sorry, but i can't realize any patterns when let's say you assume! 2 tiles X and Y are pretty safe and you discard tile X instead of Y.

There is no logic behind it.
You surely did discard tile X because you believed that it wouldn't deal into the opponents hand.

Why do you guys keep playing when 4P_SUX quits on the first turn? You're just doing what he wants when you play 3P

>>5118397
Did he took manzu tiles with him?

Another simple question:

How can i get the supreme skill to see that my waiting tiles aren't in the dead wall?
Or do you hope and believe that they wouldn't be there and be lucky?

Sorry to tell you , but it is not an achievement because you got lucky with your drawings and win with a Yakuman for example.

>>5118394
You can tell what sort of hands the opponents are unlikely to have by means of their discards. You can also count tiles to know what the relative odds are of any given tile to appear. You can also work off known patterns of play from the same player. There are plenty of other inconclusive by useful data points as well.

A well-written bot would actively take all of this into consideration. A player with "good intuition" processes it all subconsciously and comes to conclusions without realizing what exactly it is that tipped them off.

If people here would actually play Mahjong in RL, i wouldn't play it online.
Only worse thing one could do is play Poker online.

2:0, 2 more for 4p

>>5118432
I should add that this sort of calculation improves your win percentage over time compared to someone who ONLY counts tiles or just guesses or whatever. It doesn't magically make you win every game with double yakumans.

>4P_SUX puts out a 5 and leaves

STOP THAT

>>5118432
This only works very limited.

Instant riichi - now what? You can pray.

Discards are all winds, dragons and you don't have such tiles to discard - what now? Pray for not being the prey

>You can also count tiles to know what the relative odds are of any given tile to appear.

I am sure only very few people can pull this out, especially with roughly 5 seconds to decide after drawing the tile.
Or we have multiply Akagis here.

>>5118460

You must be 4P_SUX, fuck off.

I am in L0000 now.

The Pros can show me there skill now.

Com and queue in.

>>5118477
Counting tiles is basic stuff. Any player worth his salt should be able to do it. "There are three 1pins on the table, I should probably not wait on the fourth", for example.

>>5118477
>I am sure only very few people can pull this out, especially with roughly 5 seconds to decide after drawing the tile.
It's not like you check out the discards for the first time after half a game. You have a pretty good idea of what's out there already.

>Instant riichi - now what? You can pray.
Of course you can't do anything about that. A computer can't either. What's your point?

>>5118477
Of course it only works to a limited extent. But it DOES work.

>>5118498
Sorry, misunderstood what you mean with "counting tiles".

But, that still is somewhat inconclusive as you can insist on that special tile, because other people think it would be a safe tile to discard!

Still counting tiles wouldn't stop with you being unlucky and have 3 or even 4 tiles you need in the dead wall.

>>5118513
That Mahjong is still heavily luck based?
Nothing more.

>>5118544
Nothing can ever stop you from being outright unlucky, or help you magically get a Suu An Kou on your first draw. The skill part of the game is in the small wins, and know when attempting to make a big hand is worth the risk of possibly not even being in tenpai.

>>5118579
That's like grinding.
Also you may never be lucky enough to make a real big hand even after hundred of games.

Maybe there is a good chance of getting your ratio low of ending up on the 4th place, but that's all about it.

>>5118553
...wow. There are some instances where luck > skill, therefore it's HEAVILY based on luck?
Talk about grasping at straws.

>>5118636
I think I saw some data in another similar discussion once saying that the best pros still only have win percentages in the 40s or so. Of course this is against similarly-skilled people so how they'd fare at a table with three anons I don't know.

Getting first place is luck. Not getting last place is skill. Don't play into hands and you won't lose badly when you lose.

>>5118544
>because other people think it would be a safe tile to discard!
Yes, but that's strategy.

>>5118647
Having wins in the 40s is really good when playing a four-player game.

>>5118640
Some instances? More like most of the instances.

>>5118647
No where near 40%.

http://www.ron2.jp/pro_list.html most of the high ranked male pros have under 25% wins in their last 100 games on ron2

>>5118706
See, now you're just full of shit.

>>5118214
>>5117986

This should come as no surprise. I've heard she has to have a sugar daddy at all times as well as work in hostess clubs (and we all know that usualy means sex for $ on the side) just to be able to afford japan and live the life she does. I wonder how much her net profits (+ or -) are from her gambling.

>>5118719
See , now you have nothing more to say.

2 more players needed.

2 more dicks in leechers butt.

>>5118729
What else is there to say other than that you're wrong?
In the overwhelming majority of games, you'll get some information about your opponent's hand or what is safe(r) through the discards of the other players. The cases where you don't have information are extremely rare. Your argument insofar has been "WELL THERE ARE CASES WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW SO IT'S ALL LUCK", so yeah, you're either dumb or a troll.

>>5118742
> i are sooo funyyyyy

2 more for 3p

2 more for a gangbang

>>5118744
Lol, it's not even about getting information of other players.
Sure you are not a delusioned fag?
You can't influence on what you draw.
With this alone it makes Mahjong heavily luck based.
All you can do is try not to deal into other people's hand.
Sorry, but keep trying to justify that this gambling game is not heavily luck based (which would make it a non gambling game per definition).

>>5118777

I'm going to kick your ass faggot. You think you're tough? lets see how tough you are with a couple rounds from my .45 lodged in your skull.

>>5118788
Then, come to L7747 and join the game.

>>5118777
>You can't influence on what you draw.
facepalm.jpg

It's not about what you draw, it's about what you discard. Mahjong IS an information game. You're not there to win every round, you're there to have a good average win, and to avoid dealing into the winning hands of others.

Of course there's luck involved, but it's not HEAVILY based on luck.

A single round is heavily based on luck, a full game is not.

I'm sorry if you don't understand this. It's not your fault that you're an idiot.

>>5118777
>All you can do is try not to deal into other people's hand.

Yes. This is the skill part. This is what we've been trying to tell you.

>>5118830
What you are trying to say that it is at best a grinding game, trying to be good average.

It's not your fault for being a delusioned fag.

>>5118721
I'm not sure about about the hostess/sugar daddie thing. But she has also posed for calendars in revealing clothing.

>>5118835
Which is a very small influence compared with the rest.

>>5118860
Not sure what you call a grinding game, but yes, it's about getting a good average. Guess why pro games are so damn long?

Good to see you're finally getting it, as this is what I've been saying all along.

>>5118862
pics or it never happend
>>5118869
ლ(°ε°ლ)

>>5118869

Alright next time I play around I'll be sure to throw shit out at random because if someone calls ron on me four times in a row it was just because of bad luck.

>>5118869
Take a basic course in statistics, you sad, sad person.

>>5118883
> he thinks you need a course to learn statistics all you need to know is to add up all elements and divide by their count

>>5118890
No, he thinks Leecher is dumb.

>>5118883
I think you should do that, because you have no clue about what you are talking about.

>>5118879
Sure, and i will win with Tsumo 4times in a row.

ITT: buncha mahjong fags get trolled by one guy banging his dick on the keyboard.

Leecher is the kind of guy who tries to counter a riichi by calling everything and reducing his hand to 1 tile for open tanyao only.
If he then plays into the riichi, he complains about luck.

Two 4p games at the same time?

Link: http://tenhou.net/0/?52796672

Starts: 05/15/10 10:00 EST/4CHAN TIME
Ends: 05/15/10 15:00 EST/4CHAN TIME

Rules:
- Rank is determined by your best 3 game streak.

Game Rules:
- 4 Player
- Ari Red Fast
- Tonnansen (East and South rounds)

Ranking:
http://tenhou.net/sc/?C5279-sc3m

>>5118991

OMG IS THAT YOU EJI?

>>5118159
> So I just had my ass handed to me by the rules of furiten.

>>5118862
PICS NOW

>>5119055
I second this request.

>>5119005
>>5119005
>Starts: 05/15/10 10:00 EST/4CHAN TIME
>Ends: 05/15/10 15:00 EST/4CHAN TIME

Nooooo the 178 Asia vs Eu Starleague SC2 tournament is around the same time, i'm so unlucky

Not as revealing as I remembered. Whatever, she's still a slut who got gangbanged by Kojima and Asatarou and some other guys.

>>5119126
yeaaaaaaah

Who is that Kojima you guys keep mentioning?

>>5119147
One of the most famous mahjong players (and cheaters)

>>5119121
>SC2

Die in a fire!

Those so-called "pro" players are not that good anyway.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/tag/MONDO21

>>5119212
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGeDmGzRASI

My favourite video

>#ENTER LOBBY 7447
>[IDLE] ldp FishHead chuckys 7447bot
>[IDLE] Kainti Ramza |void| FinSwede
>[PLAY] Kanbara Senechal だぞ in+b4+tr
>[PLAY] SirMeh bzzzra Leecher Zero_

Huh, that's a lot more people than usual. And two games of 4p, no less.

Tsumo Tsumo Tsumo

>me : nowhere even near Tenpai

i play so bad!

>>5119226
Is it in the rules somewhere that they have to sort their tiles in the same order every time? All the good players of various card games I know don't sort at all because it gives their opposition too much information.

>>5119126
god, he looks like the kind of guy who would cheat at the game. I can see how he would also pay to have her get her title.

>>5119168
I so wish she did more. Sad.

>>5119267
They do it so people watching on TV can easily read their hands

Good lord.
Bad luck keeps haunting me!

>>5119284
What do you mean pay? SHE has to pay him

>>5119168
>One of the most famous mahjong players (and cheaters)

It's not cheating if you dont get caught!

>>5119305
Yes you're right. I meant she pays him in with her body while he pays the comitte with his infuelnce to make it happen. I bet he also cheats on his taxes.

>>5119296
They don't have real-time overlays of the hands like in Saki? I am disappoint.

Ololol.

Tsumo again and of course it is a big hand and i was the dealer for that round.

I play so bad.

>>5119359
You should have discarded that

>>5119380
What font do I need for

Two more for 3p.

>>5119402
I *think* Symbola.

>>5119314
It's not cheating if you look manly while doing it. See Mudazumo.

>>5119402
It's in the unicode block "Mahjong Tiles"

Sorry, people are bitching at me to go play something else, so I have to drop... forcibly. Sorry.

>>5119438
After installing symbola, I can see the

type "minami" and you get "南"

>>5119498
yeah, i might write an userscript that does image replacement

Lol, just when i thought i would end up 1st in a match after a fucking ton of games, someone wins with a Haneman Tsumo....

>>5119570
You should play 3p. Ron is much more important than Tsumo in 3p.

Lol, thanks today i have dropped down to R1485 now.

1st 0.194
2nd 0.277
3rd 0.319
4th 0.208

>>5119595
Come back when you're R1120 and 1st place 0.03 like me

>>5119703
Account or it didn't happen!

Am I any good?

>>5119752
Damn, 3 digits

>>5119752
I can smell an extra account here.... where you try all kind of stuff like trying to make unreasonable big hands though chances are bad etc.

There is no other explanation.

Or you have worse luck than me ...chances are near 0.

>>5119752
0+1+18+10

Oh my god.

Or maybe it is a shoop....

>>5119812
What does that even mean?

>>5119795
I'm not him, but I only have one account and I could easily see myself falling that low. My 3p rating is down to R1230ish and still falling because I never try to get a hand below baiman in 3p. Some people will play more for big hands than caring about win rate.

>>5119839
> 3p
Noone cares about your "great" rate in 3p.

>>5119849
Noone cares about your "great" rate in 4p.

>>5119880
That's why I don't post about it.

>>5119880

I do, stop being a faggot you shitty 3p.

>>5119895
I'm ranked 3 dan in 4p, I doubt I'm a "shitty 3p". Just because you're enough of a mahjong nazi to not be able to relax and enjoy some silly 3p and go for high scoring hands instead of the constant sub-mangan trash hands in 4p you see doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>5119973

I don't care about your rank.

>>5119980
I do, stop being a faggot you shitty 4p.

>>5119998

I'm ranked R2093 in 3p, I doubt I'm a "shitty 4p". Just because you're enough of a mahjong nazi to not be able to relax and enjoy some silly 4p and go for high scoring hands instead of the constant sub-mangan trash hands in 3p you see doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>5120016
I don't care about your nazi.

>>5120016
Pic or it didn't happen.

>>5120038

I do, stop being a faggot you shitty leecher.

>>5120126
Fuck you. I am Leecher!

>>5120169
No you're not!

I'm 13 dan in 4P with R9001 and 26 dan in 3P with R16777216.

phoz = leecher

Remember when mahjong threads weren't filled with retards and trolls and people actually played?

Yeah, good times.

>>5120222
i hope that some of the older players will show up for the championship

when you've finished throwing all three dragons, keep throwing winds then.

>>5120196
phoz = baka

>>5120222
I never learned to play all this time. I feel like I missed out.

>>5120222
What? It's still the same shit just that back then it was
>fast
>slow
>fast
>slow
and now its 3p and 4p

>>5120222

3P is the cancer of 7447.

>>5120360
Whenever I see that pic I think "why is KoG black?" then I remember "oh the picture's in black and white"

Good fucking lord.

Again....last round, me being the dealer...someone wins with Tsumo and it's a Baiman.

-> kicked me into the last place

RAAAAAAAAGE

>>5120261

I HOPE SPEEDDICK AND AOA SHOW UP!

>>5120493

>HURR DURR I'M A 3P DEV I SUCK WAAAAAAAAAH

Get out.

>>5120540
Moron?
I have only played 4p so far.

Lol, what a bullshit.
People were in Tenpai after only 3-4 draws and then SURPRISE RON.

So tell me your secrets you fucking delusioned wannabes.
How to avoid that?

>>5120611
Insert a ballpen in your ass.

Sanbaiman being dealer, tsumo.

2nd round riichi after 2nd draw.

Of course i dealt into his fucking hand.

uguuuu i play sooo bad!

>>5120611
>How to avoid that?
build your hand faster noob

Skill my ass.
Skill only plays a small role.

go to L0000 and rank up, tenhou bestows better hands upon those with dan rank

>>5120788

I am in L0000.

>>5120802
then fucking stay there

Loks like we need 1 more for 3p or 2 more for 4p. Let's do this.

R1445 now.

Game of skill it is.

>>5120818
Why should i?

>>5119595
>3rd 0.319
>4th 0.208
This is your fucking problem.
In Tenhou it is about not fucking losing.
Crappy 1-2han, do not go for tenpai play defensively once you sense other people are in tenpai.
Take some risk when when you have a hand bigger than mangan.

Nowonder you are a scrub. Some people just dont learn. It is not like you can win every round. You have 8rounds and luck even out at the end of the day. You must be a huge faggot if you can't grasp this.

>>5120838
your rating means nothing if you cant even rank up past 3 kyu

>>5120977
Hurrr , sounds easy. But how to counter tsumos, fast riichis/fast tenpais?
So much information on the table....!
Sure, with Akagi's deduction skills, i will be able to predict everything. No problem!

And then you talk i should take some risk when i have a better hand?
Ah sure, easy. I will definitely win, whenever i got a big hand!

I hate playing 3p sometimes. I try to go for big hands and then people just call and win with these shit hands. Then i just stop caring.

>>5121167
>3p

Get out.

>>5121010
How does it come that you set up "past 3kyu" as border for something counting or not counting?

Sure not just pulling something out of your nose?

Anyways, like i said i was 2Dan with another account ( about 2 years old i guess)
Dropped back to 1 kyu.

in before
>your rating means nothing if you cant even rank up past 2dan

>>5121109
I lose half as often as you and I am scrub.
Why don't you try to improve your mahjong playing and not blame everything on LUCK LUCK.

Hey, /jp/. I'm pretty new to mahjong, but I just got this hand. The scoring system is the main part that I have difficulty understanding -- what was it about this hand that made it worth so much?

>>5121208
You know about this right?

>>5121208

Ura-dora.

>>5121217
Oh.
Well shit, I feel downright retarded.

>>5121109
>>5121109
>Hurrr , sounds easy. But how to counter tsumos, fast riichis/fast tenpais?
Durr, be faster

>>5121208
riichi, yakuhai 1, dora 1, uradora 5

It would be just a mangan hand(70 fu, 3han, 8000) without uradora 5.

>>5121109

Deal with it. It doesn't happen every single hand in a full 4p hanchan. Wait for your chance, and if it never comes, then just say 'nothing I could do' and get over it.
You keep raging over every thing that happens that doesn't go in your favor. Mahjong is not a game for babies. If you don't enjoy it, then you may as well stop playing before you give yourself an anyeurism.

>>5121202
I lose half as often as you and I am scrub.

>>5121226
>implying this has nothing to do with luck and i could influence what tiles i draw

troll harder


>>5121221
Why has tenhou even has ura-dora in its ruleset ?
I fucking hate ura-doras...

>>5121269
Everyone would do damaten if there was no uradora.

>>5121269

If you don't know how to control probability with your mind at this point then I'd advise choosing some other game to bitch about.

I can imagine the horde of 8 dans on 2ch eagerly waiting for translations of our mahjong threads and chortling at our misadventures.

>>5121286
What does this have to do with ura-doras?!

>>5121284
Hm, JPML (the Japanese professional league ) doesn't play with ura-dora in the ruleset.

Oh, perhaps i should play more than 1 han chan.

>>5121303

I was responding to your inability to influence what tiles you draw.

I don't play 3p because it's a game of skill.

I play it for situations like these.

>>5121370
doesn't the game end in a tie when 3 people declare richi??

>>5121321
>inability to influence what tiles you draw.

Sure you have bad text comprehension skill or maybe you are Akagi?

Listen up, when someone riichis after 2nd/3rd draw or is already in tenpai and doesn't declare it, how the fuck do you come of with "influence what tiles you draw"?!
There are barely discarded tiles on the table and you could only tell they had a great starting hand after them declaring riichi or win.

Nice logic you have.

Sure, if there are already 3 tiles out of 4 on the table, i wouldn't keep that to hope to get a 2nd one!
Lol.....

>>5121269
>troll harder
What? No , you just have to build your hand faster instead of doing stupid waits, of course you can't know what you draw but you can definitely bring yourself into a position with a much better likelyhood of getting into tenpai

>>5117893
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l6yx-gJNHg

>>5121375

Haha, you aren't psychic. What a faggot. Go grow a non-inferior psychic brain. I'll be over here enjoying my mind reading and prediction making.

>>5121382
>starting with a shitty hand while the other start with a hand 1 or 2 tiles away from tenpai

>telling me to build my hand faster

You cannot win at all if Tenhou hates you and gives you the hell mode. Register a new ID or play as a NoName.

>>5121375


It happens. If someone declares riichi turn 2 and you deal in during the next 2 or 3 turns, just move on. If you deal in after that it's probably your fault.

This game involves luck. You've mentioned several situations where luck comes into play. If you don't like that, or you don't enjoy the game because of it, stop playing. It's not going to change. Find a game you like and then play that.

Can a janitor please delete all the KоG and 3p-related posts in this thread? I see see a LOT of them.

I have to say that playing Mahjong tremendously helped me to stay calm after losing, I used to fucking rage in every game(vidya etc.) but after some time you are just "Hey that's cool for him, not much i could have done anyway"

>>5121425

Protip: The janitor is a regular poster in this thread and yelling at him to do his job will make him do it less. Leave him alone.

>>5121425
I don't see anything.
Report or post a list of posts, that worked on the past.

>>5121429
I'm sadly the reverse. Nowadays I proclaim people faggots and assure them of their incompetence when I am running bad or just tilting.

>>5121452

Protip: I'm going to report him to Moot.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2010051410gm-0041-0000-ef191361&tw=1

Can someone look over this game and tell me what did I do wrong?

How to not deal into other players hand in 7447
1.) Dont deal the Dora
2.) Dont deal any Honor
3.) It's always the most stupid possible wait

>>5121522

just bad luck. you were able to make hands but no one dealing your waits.

>>5121522
I am halfway through the first hand but I have to say this. It appears as if you are visualizing the shape you want your hand to be, and when the tile you draw doesn't fit in, you just dump it immediately. A lot of the middle-ish tiles you draw can nudge you closer to tenpai or give you some better hand shapes, if you give them a chance ;_;

>>5121514

Moot doesn't give a shit about 4chan and he certainly doesn't care about /jp/.

How do you change the background color of it again? I want to change it, but I forgot how to.

>>5121561

Top right.

>>5121544
cont'd

Finished watching now. You were pretty lucky even managing to get those hands to tenpai. Lack of attention paid to tile efficiency and lack of planning in advance resulted in a butchering of some hands, like the one in all last. Even if you have an ideal vision for your hand, early on it's fine to have an alternative route like keeping a single east and reevaluating the situation and your hand if you draw a second one later.

>>5121581

I will keep that in mind, thanks.

>>5121375

You mean you don't play as a high school girl with mahjong superpowers? This might be what you need to fix.

Someone in one of the old threads was asking about the highest possible non-auto yakuman hand value in han, and I was bored. I think I did all the calculations right, though this assumes you're playing with nukidora so lol3p on tenhou. I don't think I could come up with a hand worth more, and believe me I wasted plenty of time trying.

==========

round: south
position: south

123 sou
4x pei as nukidora
closed kan of nan
closed kan of hatsu
closed kan of chun
single haku

dora indicators 4x ton
uradora indicators 4x sha

riichi on second to last turn of the game
draw last tile in the game, haku

(han)
riichi 1
ippatsu 1
menzen 1
haitei 1
double nan 2
hatsu 1
chun 1
shousangen 2
honitsu 3
chanta 2
sanankou 2
sankantsu 2
dora 16
nukidora 16
uradora 16
total 67


(fu)
base 20
sou shuntsu 0
nan ankan 32
hatsu ankan 32
chun ankan 32
haku toitsu 2
tanki wait 2
tsumo 2
total 122


130 fu, 67 han

>>5121651

How much points is that?

>>5121674
32000/48000 is the max. Anything above that is just Yakuman.

If you're asking what it would be unlimited, I believe that'd be 130x 2^67 unless I misunderstand scoring (and I probably do)

>>5121674

It passed the 13 han mark way back. It's set at 32000 or 48000 for the dealer.

>>5121651
>dora 16
>nukidora 16
>uradora 16

Why 16 Nukidora?

Someone in one of the old threads was asking about the highest possible non-auto yakuman hand value in han, and I was bored. I think I did all the calculations right, though this assumes you're playing with nukidora so lol3p on tenhou. I don't think I could come up with a hand worth more, and believe me I wasted plenty of time trying.

==========

round: south
position: south

123 sou
4x pei as nukidora
closed kan of nan
closed kan of hatsu
closed kan of chun
single haku

dora indicators 4x ton
uradora indicators 4x sha

riichi on second to last turn of the game
draw last tile in the game, haku

(han)
riichi 1
ippatsu 1
menzen 1
haitei 1
double nan 2
hatsu 1
chun 1
shousangen 2
honitsu 3
chanta 2
sanankou 2
sankantsu 2
dora 16
nukidora 4
uradora 16
total 55

(fu)
base 20
sou shuntsu 0
nan ankan 32
hatsu ankan 32
chun ankan 32
haku toitsu 2
tanki wait 2
tsumo 2
total 122

130 fu, 55 han

==========

Whoops, fixed a typo. Too much copy and pasting.

>>5121689
It's a matter of how you want to count it, but nukidora are still given points for being the dora. I.e. if the marker is west (I forget the proper name sorry) then each nukidora is actually worth 2 dora.

>>5121689
Yeah my bad, late night for me and I copy pasted the dora without thinking.

It always amazes me how this thread appears death, someone posts something and suddenly everyone answers

>>5121697
what is wrong with you?

>>5121699
No, he's right, it's 4 nukidora, but they're counted as 16 dora from the 4x uradora indicators too. So 20 dora in total, but I copied 16 one too many times and it wasn't 32 heh. The other 16 dora is from the nan.

>>5121697
>riichi on second to last turn of the game
>draw last tile in the game, haku

>(han)
>riichi 1
>ippatsu 1
>menzen 1
>haitei 1

Does this actually work? everytime i tried it tenhou didn't allow me to riichi, or did i just miscount?

>play like you're in an East-only game
>not realize it's East-South until halfway through
>win because of that

>>5121714
A lot probably, but that's besides the point. It was actually kind of fun, every time I thought I came up with a new way to increase the han count I realized it made the hand qualify as a yakuman in some way.

Originally I was thinking 1111 sou with 4x 9 sou indicators, but unless one of the kans or pons were open it meant that you'd have sanankou which invalidated like 6 han and the ura dora. In that case, using nukidora was the only way I thought of to get another 4x tiles you could get 4x dora on since you can't use more than 2 of the dragon tiles as indicators as the rest are in your hand.

I guess I just like to think and it was a minor puzzle to waste time on.

>>5121697
Can't you get a 5th dora indicator by Rinshaning the last closed Kan while someone else also had one?

>>5121724
I don't know, I've had riichi menzen haitei but I've never bothered calling riichi if I've just hit tenpai with only 1 draw left in the game. The only time I've noticed it disallowing riichi is if you don't have another draw in the game.

It worked for Koromo, anyways.

Anyone feel like playing nashi? East or East-South, I don't care

>>5121758

Yeah, but if he called another kan his hand would be suu kan tsu, an automatic yakuman.

>>5121769
Thats what i meant with "while someone else had one", i meant that he calls his 3th kan and gets a Rinshan while another player also has a Kan

>>5121758
You could, I didn't think about the 4th kan because of the drawn game (and avoiding suukantsu). You'd gain rinshan, but lose ippatsu. If you draw the second to last tile in the game, kan it and win on the rinshan, does that count for haitei?

Tenhou's also kind of buggy for kans, I'm not sure in tenhou's case it would even give you th enew dora indicator, but for the purposes of theorycrafting we could assume you'd get it.

Add 2x haku for the last dora and ura dora indicators (for 4 more of each from your ankan of hatsu) and rinshan, take out ippatsu, and I think that puts it up to 63 han.

I have a question. In the following videos, gameplay just kinda stops in the middle of a hand. What rule is going on here?

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10186736
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10186929

These are from the Saki PSP game by the way.

>>5121766

What is nashi?

inb4 you know who

>>5121807
I don't feel like watching it but based on the first 10 seconds, probably the 5 kan -> aborted round.

>>5121807

The match ends in a draw if four kans are called. The only exception is when someone gets a rinshan on the last kan.

>>5121828
What if someone rons on the discard after the 4th kan is made? Is it valid?

>>5121828
or if all 4 are from the same person, I can't count

>>5121846

There isn't a discard. It ends immediately after the dead wall draw.

>>5121850
Huh, that's weird, I almost always remember having to pick a tile to throw after I make a 4th kan on purpose to end the round early when I have a shit hand. Maybe it wasn't on tenhou. I always was thinking "all I have to do is make this discard pass to cause a draw", but maybe I'm thinking of when I declare a 4th riichi instead.

1112223334445
Kan the 1
[1111] 222 333 444 5
deathwall draw
[1111] 222 333 444 5 X
Does it really end with having 1 tile too much?

>>5121904
It would be rishan if X was 5. Otherwise, you would need to discard a tile.

>>5121697
>sanankou 2
>sankantsu 2

waiiiiiiit a minute do they really stack?

>>5121947
Or 2

>>5121952

Yes

>>5121954
Or 3 and 4
Dont you like that stuff?

>>5121952
tanoshii

>>5121979
>>5121969
typical retarded japanese thinking
Why the fuck do they stack but Hon Ro To doesnt stack with Junchan or Chanta? Why dont you also get Chi Toi Tsu for having a Ryan Peiko?
Fucking discrimination

>>5121996
double yakuman(suuankou, suukantsu) would be possible as well.

>>5122011
Wouldn't that be a triple? Tsumo Tanki

>somebody declares richi on the 4th turn or before on EVERY SINGLE TURN
>play defensively on EVERY SINGLE ROUND
>there is a tsumo EVERY SINGLE ROUND
>still get last place in negative points
>go back into log
>if I didn't play defensively every single round, I would have dealt in EVERY SINGLE ROUND

Can somebody explain to me how 4p is more "skill-based" than 3p? The way I see it, I'd rather get 3rd place twice, 2nd place once, and 1st place once than to play one long as hell 4p game where one faggot is tsuoming 10 times in a row and when I get even remotely close to anything, a garbage hand blocks it.

For the hell of it, I tried playing 4p in 0000 afterward. You know what I got? Dealer baiman two times in a row, game end. Tenhou is a JOKE.

>>5122052

>falling for the trolling

>>5121952
Sanankou covers it being concealed. Sankantsu simply covers it being 3 kans. I don't see why they wouldn't stack.

>>5122052
>>5121405

>>5122011
just searched on tenhou for 四槓子(dont know if it is spelled right), because i think that it was just one yakuman, but there was no Sou Kantsu this month and i dont know how to search for older ones

>>5122052
Need larger sample size.

>>5122069
There is no suuankou, suukantsu double yakuman on Tenhou afaik. Enjoy chinroutou, suuankou tanki instead.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2010051021gm-00c1-0000-7353d518&tw=2&ts=6

>>5122052
Thats random for you, come back after playing 100 000 games

>>5122052
>play defensively on EVERY SINGLE ROUND

There's your problem. Unless it's ippatsu tsumo, you could play defense and offense at the same time.

>>5122094
>riichi
you got to be kidding me

>>5122094
I came. And on the last possible 9 man too with all the 9 sous gone.

>>5122106

You didn't read that >if I didn't play defensively every single round, I would have dealt in EVERY SINGLE ROUND

>>5122094
I've never seen suukantsu on tenhou ever, much less combined with another yakuman.

/jp/, every time this thread comes up I always for some reason read the text first, forget to read the subject title or the image text and mistake the word Tenhou for Touhou thinking it's about Touhou fighting games for beginners and then I copy pasta the URLs and.. and... ;_;

>>5122188
Work your hand around the tiles you think are not safe. It's not always possible, but try until you just don't think you can tweak it any more.

Also, if you think people are using tiles you're waiting on and too many of them are already discarded as well, switch up your waits.

>>5122204
Tenhou is more ridiculous than mahjong animes when it gives people heaven mode.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2007111311gm-00c1-0000-b2c02b6d&tw=1&ts=6
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009060618gm-00c1-0000-268a6752&tw=0&ts=4
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009100523gm-00c1-0000-d55ac52d&tw=1&ts=2
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009110921gm-0029-0000-ad0f061b&tw=1&ts=2
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2010011519gm-00c1-0000-fa0e8fe9&tw=2&ts=2

>>5122188

And that would mean that your hand consist of every winning tile, amrite? Bullshit

>>5122240
>>5122233

You kids sure are buttmad

>>5122234
>gives people heaven mode.
God stop that Hell/Heaven mode trashtalk.
It just happens in a random game, thats how random works, worked and will work in the future

>>5122234
That was fast, is there a way to search tenhou for yakumans older than the most recent month? I don't see any triples in the history and was curious if tenhou has ever seen a quadruple.

>>5122253

Says the butthurt loser who cant play right

>>5122234
>5 Sou Kantsu over 3 1/2 years and probably multiple million hands played
>cry that tenhou is unfair and not random

>>5122275
>2007/11
>2010/5
>3 1/2 years
retard

>>5122266
triple yakumans
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009100819gm-0049-0000-13bf5b23&tw=0&ts=9
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2010020610gm-0089-0000-0c25bb37&tw=1&ts=3

>>5122255
>>5122275
Video games cheat. Tenhou is not the only one.

>>5122266

The only quadruple yakuman I can think of is Tenhou/Chiihou Daisangen Tsuiisou Suu an kou. That's a miracle on the level of Bigfoot taking a picture of Elvis crashing a UFO into the Loch Ness monster.

3 players going for same wait. wow.

>>5122318
How can it cheat if you now can see the wall with the premium client?
It doesn't know how people will call, it's just a random algorithm throwing out random shit and like every random stuff it doesnt appear random at all because we are biased towards ourself

3 players waiting on the same tiles!

>>5122268

I like how you respond to every single negative criticism without fail as if you don't, your precious buttmad internet pride will be shattered.

Pathetic.

>>5122353
Nobody can see the wall during the game. I think it just randomize the wall after the game.

Remember when Mahjong threads were about playing and not >3p and butthurt?

>>5122358

That's actually stupid of you for discarding a dora that late in the game. Of course people would be gunning for it.

Can somebody tell me how many points you need to go up in the ranks? Is there a table to look at to see how many points you currently have? Once you reach 1 dan, it's impossible to go any lower, right? I can't understand the chart at arcturus

>>5122376

The only pathetic one is you, Bawwww'ing over the "unfairness" of the game, then posting it and getting butthurt over criticism.

>>5122404

初段 is the limit. Win one game, lose one game, and you're back at 初段. Most people get stuck at 初段 and never go any further unless they play against scrubs.

>>5122406

Get over it kiddo, nobody cares. If you think winning at online Mahjong means something, you need to get a life.

>>5122417

Im not the one bawww'ing over because i cant seem to win in some online game. Pathetic.

>>5122328
[Tenhou/Chiihou/Renhou]/[Suukantsu] + [Sousuushi/Daisuushi/Daisangen] + [Tsuuiisou] + [Suuankou]

Ridiculously low, but still there.

Quintuple is impossible because the kans from Suukantsu invalidate the *hou hands, right?

>>5122409
Shodan starts at 200 points, doesn't it? What happens if you fall below 200? Or down to 0? I know if you hit 400 and rank up to 2 dan, then fall below 400 you'll drop back to 1 dan, but how does shodan work with the starting 200? Can you fall to 1 kyu?

>>5122409

you fall to 1 kyu actually if you lose all your points on shodan.

>>5122473
They should have made it dealer too.

>>5122477
wouldn't work

>>5122473
>>5122480
i bet there has been a poorfag who played against the yakuza and dealed into exactly that

>>5122473
>>5122480
Is this just photoshopping or did they actually edit the game client to get it to work?

>>5122474

On what? How do you view your current points, and how many points do you need to go up a rank each time? The chart says 30, 30, 30, 60, etc. Does that mean I get 1st place and go to 9kyu, get 1st place again and go to 8kyu, 1st place twice to go to 7kyu, etc.?

>>5122480
Why not? Am I missing something? Seems like if you could make them draw whatever you want it should be easy to have the same thing happening but with the guy with quad yakuman being in the dealer position. I just want to see how big the number can get.

I feel like I'm missing a game rule here.

>>5122527

Oh, chihou. Still, could always do tenhou, couldn't you? Wouldn't get to see it all come from one dude, but still...

>>5122527
It wouldn't work for the situation the screenshots are supposed to illustrate

Of course the guy who did this could have made a dealer tenhou

>>5122473
>>5122480
Wait i thought Tenhou didn't have Renhou?

>>5122559
>- 八連荘/人和/三連刻/一色三順/十三不塔/…なし
http://tenhou.net/man/

no renhou, paarenchan, etc.

>>5122569
>八連荘/人和/三連刻/一色三順/十三不塔/…なし

No parenchan, renhou, sanrenkou (suu renkou too i assume), iishoku sandoujun (and again, iishoku suudoujun i would guess), shisanbudo

Doesn't say anything about daisharin or open riichi though ;_;

>>5122569
i think he's saying "wait" because of the pictures showing renhou but maybe i'm wrong

>daisharin

feels bad man

>>5122691
That hand is pinfu, tanyao, chinitsu, ryanpeikou(sanbaiman) on Tenhou.

>>5122691

How much is that hand worth? At the very least without any bonuses, it would have 10 han, so bonuses make it a yakuman-scoring hand anyway.

>>5122715

Whoops, forgot about pinfu, so make that 11 han.

ITT, no questions about the game are answered, and faggot continue arguing for hundreds of posts about crap that doesn't even matter.

>>5122715
sanbaiman = 24000(12000/6000) or 36000(12000*3)

>>5122719

If you manage to get a red 5, that's 12 han, and if you declared richi, that's 13 han, or yakuman.

>>5122661

Explain those to me with the except of renhou, san renkou, and suu renkou. I can't find them on Google anywhere.

>>5122661
>sanrenkou (suu renkou too i assume), iishoku sandoujun (and again, iishoku suudoujun i would guess), shisanbudo
What are those three?

>>5122756

paarenchan = dealer 8 times (get up to 8 dealer sticks, next hand is worth a yakuman regardless of what it is)
iishoku san doujun or iisou sanjun = same thing as sanrenkou, only open (345 345 345 in one suit)
iishoku suu soujun or iisou yonjun = one more of those (345 345 345 345 in one suit)
shisanbudo = "13 broken" = 12 tiles and a pair in a way that there's no meldable tiles, 1/4/7, 2/5/8, 3/5/9 in all three suits and unmatching honor tiles
daisharin = 22334455667788 in one suit, closed

i'm pretty sure on most of these after doing research a while ago but if anyone knows better they can feel free to correct me

>>5122768
sanrenkou = three consecutive triples, 333 444 555 in a suit
suurenkou = one more, so 333 444 555 666

Holy shit i never knew that ryan peiko can be the same straight 4 times

>>5122785
in particular please feel free to correct my romanization on 一色三同順 and 一色四同順

一色 i've seen read as both "iishoku" (like sanshoku, three suit) and "iisou"
三 and 四 are obviously 3 and 4, so san and suu but i hear 四 read as yon instead of suu sometimes?
同順 or 順 is [dou]jun, like sanshoku doujun

these two hands gave me the most trouble of all the optional ones to be honest, really hard to find a standard romanization of them, any help is appreciated.

>suurenkou

lol Tenhou
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2009110921gm-0029-0000-ad0f061b&tw=1&ts=2

>>5122807
technically, i think it's house rules on whether or not it can be. however that's the exact hand for the yakuman iishoku suudoujun (iisou yonjun, or whatever) i just mentioned.

>>5122813
Suukantsu Suurenkou, Saki would be proud~

If only tenhou had lol3p suurenkou ;_;

fuck betaori.

new thread
>>5122912

Thread's way past bump limit, new one >>5122917

12hours to fill a thread? what the fuck is going on

>>5122925

Half of it was a certain faggot samefagging with himself