/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>I challenge ANYONE to convince me that my waifu is not real.
Any true NEET (as in the only people that should be on this board) already know that their waifu is completely real.

Because she's a ghost and ghosts don't exist

You missed /a/

>>5086599
I know that she is, but there was a big argument last night with some fags saying that they have waifus but think they are not real.

The burden of evidence lies with the claimant, we do not have to disprove your waifu any more than we have to disprove the existence of any phenomena.

If you have observed a phenomena and wish to verify it's existence to the world it lies with you to provide us with evidence of it.

So I challenge YOU to prove your waifu is real.

This is what happens when the brain receives very little physical stimulae; such as pain and exertion; a short two mile run every day can relieve this feeling and remove a sense of mental fatigue or dullness that can build up over long periods of inactivity.

>>5086614
Then they are simply not real themselves.

I agree with OP's logic. She exists as what she is. OP isn't claiming she's actually 3D.

Your 2d waifu is real to your perception. You hold her dear and you wish to be with her forever.
But, are you truly happy with only a drawn humanoid, who you can't even feel? You may say that "well, if mah brain can see it, then it must be real"
Your mind doesn't work like that. The mind has different layers and different realities you opt yourself to. If your reality is that of an otaku, then the epitome of that would be your waifu. If you had 3 or 4 popped collars and some vodka in your belly, you would behave in a totally different manner. Maybe you would be like a normalfag?

IMO its useless to debate about reality and that stuff. It gets to godbullshit very quickly
enjoy your waifu

>>5086664
You are implying expectations that the OP may not have.

What is the source of your pic OP? That's all I care about.

>>5086681
he obviously has hormones and sex organs, ofcourse he has expectations

>>5086688

Looks like Moshiraba. If so, OP's waifu is dead.

What are those things on the left plate?

Also chicken with champagne is fucking greito.

>>5086699
Thank you kind anon.

A 3d waifu really isn't any more real than a 2d waifu. Sometimes you get to shake their hand but still... for the most part, a 3d waifu is just as 2d as anyone else's waifu. There are benefits and drawbacks for both 2d and 3d. The experience is about the same, though, and experience is what defines reality.

>>5086738
The difference aside from physically is that you create a 2D waifu - even if they have a very canon personality you will still create everything they say, do, think, their morals, their beliefs, etc.

They are never really their own entity. While a 3D waifu always is their own self.

Not saying that's a good thing, just saying it's a huge difference.

The simulacrum is never what hides the truth -- it is truth that hides the fact that there is none.

The simulacrum is true.

2d = pure and loyal but you can't deflower her.

3d = available for sex but has probably sucked 20 dicks and will backstab you at a convenient time.

>>5086697
As an idolfag I can tell you that most idolfags dont have expectations to ever have sex with their waifus. They're just as distant to us as anyone drawn in an anime/manga. We like to think otherwise, but even if you get to meet your waifu it's only for a split second...and then she promptly forgets about you forever.

On top of that, idolfags rarely even *consider* masturbating to their waifu (thinking of it as sinful), whereas I can imagine a lot of 2dfags have done so in the past.

>>5086773
>idolfags rarely even *consider* masturbating to their waifu (thinking of it as sinful)

Why is that?

I haven't had one of those before, as you can't force love, but...

do you only use the limited VN images over and over again or do you attempt to draw her in new situations? no disrespect, i am curious.

>>5086750
I imagine your image of your waifu comes from whatever media she is presented in... meaning her personality etc are imagined by someone else. You just fill in the gaps, in much the same way a 3dfag has to fill in unknowns about his idol.

There's definitely a difference there, because you can learn more about your waifu through interviews etc, but it converges to a point.

Devil's Proof. You can't prove Waifus aren't real.

>>5086750
A 2D girl can be an independent entity when they are a character written by someone else.

>>5086792
Yes, I can.
They are FICTIONAL.

>>5086781
>why is that?
I like to think of my waifu as pure.

>>5086804
That random pretty girl you saw the other day might as well be fictional, as you will never see her again and you can't prove to me that you actually saw her.

>>5086804
Doctors exist in fiction. Does that mean that doctor's aren't real?

>>5086806
Personally, I do not consider masturbating to the thought of a waifu to be something that defiles their purity in any way. It is not something that they are voluntarily doing, just an action that you take yourself. Just my opinion, though.

>>5086781
It isn't. Sex with a waifu is love and I will NOT feel bad about that.

>>5086789
>>5086796

That's kind of my point.

Like I said - sure there is somewhat of a personality fleshed out by the original creator - but that will never evolve or change, and the things she thinks and does and way you see her is almost always based on what's made up in your head.

Sure character x has a lot of personality and character traits - but just from telling yourself she thinks of you as anything or that you even exist to her is already crossing that border between whats ACTUALLY said character and what YOU are creating. Or even just saying something in a thread like "my waifu wouldnt do that because she's a good girl" is something you're assuming - 3D changes, 2D can't, but if 2D were it's own entity it would change just as fast as 3D and so you have no way of knowing if she really wouldn't do whatever it is.

No matter how well fleshed out a character is, you still have to build-your-own-waifu.

A 2D waifu can never be it's own self because it's own self is what you decide on based on what the original creator gave you to work with.

>>5086599
>Any true NEET (as in the only people that should be on this board)

I don't think you understand what NEET means.

>NEET is an acronym for the government classification for people currently "Not in Employment, Education or Training".

Just because someone is a NEET doesn't mean they're one of us.

>>5086848
>but just from telling yourself she thinks of you as anything or that you even exist to her
Who says I do that?

>>5086861
It was an example, I hope you can go back to school to get some better reading comprehension abilities.

The point was a 2D girl lacks the ability to evolve and change on her own which is a vital trait in something that is it's own entity. And because of this, a 2D waifu will never be it's own entity.

I was replying to specific posts replying to a specific post of mine, if you weren't involved then don't respond with stupid shit like that.

>>5086851
I don't think you understand what a "true NEET" is.

When people say "She isn't real" they don't mean "She isn't perceivable," they mean she isn't an actual person. Don't act like you won an argument that nobody was making by twisting people's words.

>>5086861
Oh and also people make up stuff in their head about real people all the time. People have many assumptions about their partners that may not be true. No one can ever really know someone else even if they are 3D.

>idolfags
marisa_gtfo.jpg

I really don't believe that people here think they are in love with 2d.

I've tried but haven't found anybody.

>>5086877
Kyahahaha! You're so fucking mean during the day CurryButt. I love it.

>>5086584
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>>5086877
No, they don't need to evolve and change to be it's own entity. You're still the good ol' Currybutt after your trip is gone.

>>5086892
Yes they do, I never said otherwise.

Again, basic reading comprehension.

I was saying the ability for the person to change and create themselves is what's different from 3D.

No matter what you assume or think about a real girl they ARE themselves and they create themselves and they will continue to change and evolve as a living being all on their own, you have no control over this let alone 'all' control.

No matter what you assume or think about a 2D girl you are creating it based on various factors - but you are still creating it, even if based on the original creators given traits about her. She will never change, evolve, or create anything new or different about her and she will always be the same thing.

>>5086906
The original post I was replying to was saying that the only difference between 2D and 3D is that there is none, both are 'just as real' as each other.

Don't take my posts out of context to bitch about them.

I dont know what other anons think but I've never imagined that my waifu actually knows who I am...I'm sure everyone is different on a lot of these points though.

>2d characters never change
True, idols might be a little more dynamic... there's generally more information out there about them. At the same time they grow up and you're left loving the idol you originally fell in love with. I ignore anything about yossi post-2008ish. I have since moved on to a new waifu. The fact that she grew up left something of a void in my heart ;_;. Today she looks like a completely different person.

>>5086869
>"True NEET"

There's no such thing

>>5086927
>new waifu

How many waifus do you guys go through?

>>5086955
I only have one and only one. Having multiple waifus is immoral and disgusting.

>>5086939
You must be new here then.

>>5086916
Fact is, your claim is still wrong even within that context.

>>5086964
And you can do that because she won't ever change or grow up, because she isn't real.

If she changed by now since you chose her as your waifu she may have been off being a huge slut - you'll never know as people change drastically from one moment to the next but 2D doesn't change ever. Would she still be your waifu then? I doubt it.

>>5086971
I'd like an actual reply explaining how I'm wrong then, otherwise you're just an idiot who is asspained that CurryButt is right about something.

>>5086964
I wuv you 2Dfags.
The idoltards are disgusting wife dumpers.

thread is full of people just discovered philosophy

>>5086907
Your posts are too long and inane to be worth reading all the way through so I just glance over them. My apologies. Anyways I'm still not seeing the difference between 2D and 3D. They're both just sets of characteristics that people project their own desires onto. You don't have control over either one except for in your mind. And yes 2D characters do change, it's called character development.

>>5086984
Character development stops at a point and is part of what I mentioned as being what the 'creator of the character' gives you to work with.

After that they never will change, they stop completely.

So your point is wrong and you really are just a troll who is butthurt that curry is right if that's the best shitty response you can think of, just fuck off then.

ITT CurryButt is proven wrong and gets butthurt.

I love how /jp/ bitches when I shitpost but when I sit here actually making real posts I get stupid shitty troll replies and shitposts in return.

Why do you think I'd bother making good posts when this is what you give me in return? "you are wrong hurrr but i wont explain why because you are actually right durr ur torlled"

Either give me a real reply or go fuck yourselves. And yes, I am frustrated.

She's real if she's real to you, man. It's all a matter of perspective.

Sometimes alcohol, too.

>>5086977
Nah, right now you're angry enough to call anyone who disagrees with you an idiot.
I'll reply when you're a bit more civil.

>>5087000
Again, show me where I am wrong.

Your brain perceives a 3d waifu no differently than it perceives a 2d waifu. I dont think anyone is arguing that 2d characters actually exist as humans. There ARE differences between the two, benefits and drawbacks, and their choice between 2d and 3d is ultimately influenced by that.

>>5086992
Sometimes you dont want your waifu to change. She's perfect as she is... or was, if your an oldtard idolfag.

>>5087006
There's a difference between an actual disagreement and saying "You're wrong but i didn't read what you wrote and I don't actually have any basis for what I'm saying, you just are wrong because I dislike you". Posting that shit IS being an idiot, giving an actual counterpoint is not.

>>5087017
So mad.

>>5087005
This

>>5087003
I'm sure plenty of people respect your posts.

>>5087015
I'm not saying what's better or worse by any of my posts, like I said already I'm just talking about the difference related to the post I was replying to in the first place.

I'm not saying it's GOOD that people change, I'm just saying it's a very big, clear, and important difference between 2D and 3D - not whether or not that is positive or negative.

I'm simply talking about the original post I was replying to and in the context of that, not saying whatever it may be most of anon is assuming which I can't even figure out.

>>5086907
I don't think people care about whether or not the ability to change or evolve exists in their waifu. It's the personality of their waifus they're concerned about, and that is real enough for them.

>>5087040
Goddammit guys, I'm not talking about HOW REAL anyone is or isn't and the context of my posts never has been about if 2D or 3D is more "real".

Stop taking my posts out of context.

>>5087015
Yeah, sometimes I stroll into the idoltard threads and wonder if it was a group of girls gossiping about Barbie and Ken's perfect wedding. The slightest negative talk about their waifus will spark off instant retaliation.

I don't mind if Rika gets drunk and smelly sometimes. ;__;

>>5087033
>post I was originally responding to
Which was me, probably, unless you're talking about OP which I havn't actually seen anywhere. Maybe that one guy calling you stupid was OP...

>I'm not saying it's GOOD that people change, I'm just saying it's a very big, clear, and important difference between 2D and 3D - not whether or not that is positive or negative.

I guess it's a difference in philosophy. If you believe in a reality distinct of observation than you can easily argue that 3d is real and 2d isn't. If you think reality is defined by your perception of it, then it's not hard to see how a 2d waifu can be just as real as a 3d waifu.

>>5087069
I was never talking about if 2D is real or not, just that there is a huge difference between 3D and 2D in the fact that one controls and changes itself and the other doesn't. The original post I was replying to was something about how there is 'no difference' between 2D and 3D. I'm simply pointing a huge difference out, not saying 'this makes 2D less real' just that it's something very different between them.

That's all my point has ever been.

>>5087060
Not all idolfags are like that. I'm perfectly conferable with the idea that my waifu has a life. Love her to death for it~ Happy for yossi also, even if she did have to grow up and leave me all alone ;__;.

>>5087080
To clarify - I'm NOT saying that being able to control and change and evolve makes 3D more "real" than 2D, I'm simply saying it's something 2D can not and never will be able to do.

>>5087080
Ah, it might have been me, and it might have been a misunderstanding. I've stated all along that there are differences between the two, just that a lot of the differences tend to converge on each other.

>>5086586
that way leads to solipsism. prove that you exist first or rather prove that I exist. then we can have a discussion. imaginary or not.

>>5086804

What isn't fiction? When you consider an actual, flesh and skin and bones person, what is true about them and what isn't? Is it your opinion of them? Or what they think of themselves?

The fact that someone exists is undeniable. That is true for bidimensional characters too. Obviously 2D characters do not exist in the same sense as humans do, but they're obviously there. In my opinion, the implications for this are twofold:

First, I like to think that falling in love with a 2D character equals to loving everything they represent to you, be it justice, purity, devotion, intellect and whatever virtues you may find in her. That's not possible in 3D love because in the real world virtues don't exist in the same level. People may sometimes believe themselves virtuous, but only through the fleeting agreement between them and everyone else they will realize that. Where 2D personas are created to embody the qualities they possess, we humans, must prove to ourselves and everyone else throughout all our lives the qualities we believe we do. It's for this reason that many people this day and age have decided to pursue less strict morals (if they have any at all), since we are forever tasked with the burden to display virtue solely in act.

Therefore we can't love virtues in others, as that equals as loving them in act. I can't love the justice in someone if I don't love justice first. And that someone cannot be loved for their justice if they can't bother to prove their 'justiceness' over and over.

(cont.)

>>5086586
You go bro!

The second reason is, the love for 2D is closer to the purest form of love described by the greeks. I've said that when you love 3D, it is not their virtues that you love. It's their possession. The 3D love is so crushing, so unforgiving, so painful because loving that person means that expect her to love you back. And if that expectation isn't met, you suffer. So, can you really call something that causes you suffering, 'love'? That distinction is something the ancient greek had no problem with, as they had different words to describe love. The love we're seeing here is 'Eros', the force of passion, the impulse of lust and possession that describes 99% of romantic relationships today. That is the love that prefers seeing my loved one unhappy with me than happy with someone else. That prefers seeing my loved one unhappy with someone else if they're not with me. It is a paradoxal love, that does not wish for the happiness of either part.

2D love doesn't fall in the same trap. For, without being in love with the possession we are in love with the idea. If it's true that we live in a world where there are no absolute truths, the one truth that could still hold water is: I love something because it does me good and brings me joy. In 2D I'm outside the infinite loop of expectations, disappointments, agony and suffering. All that matters is that my love for something is there to empower my life, without care for that something being someone that exists as a real person or not.

It is the purest form of love there is. A love that does not wish to hold the object of love a slave. That wishes for nothing but the good will of the one who loves and the one loved back. To those who have real waifus and hasubandos, you surely have said "I love you", and perhaps heard it back. But, how many times have honestly you said or heard:

"I'm so glad to share this world with you, because the mere idea that you exist is enough to bring me joy, and that feeling would stay the same wether we are together or not".

Because for me, not a day goes by without me renewing this belief.

Pic related, that's me and my waifu.

Currybutt, you are fucking stupid. You can't make assumptions about the nature of reality; don't try to sound smart when you've got no idea what you're talking about. Give me some proof that 3D changes on its own regard. Show me some evidence that there are any other wills in this world besides my own. Please point out how it would even matter to the individual if there were any other wills, if he perceived things the same way anyway. Arguments about what constitutes reality can not be made because you can not make any arguments on the subject without coming to baseless assumptions. To me, you have changed yourself no more than the Lilidan I'm masturbating to right now. For all I know, you came into existence this exact moment and any memories before it were false.

私の愛リアルです。

Being 2d does not matter.

>>5087346
>shitty post

Try again another time. When the main focus of your reply is "currybutt ur a faget" I'm not going to bother replying, take it as butthurt or whatever if you want, I don't care.

>>5087428
>I'm not going to bother replying

But...you...

Nevermind.

0>>5087428
>I'm not going to bother replying

I love when it gets down to this.

>Hurrrr I might be defeated in an argument so I will say that I won't reply.

>>5090245
Stop being mean to CurryButt!

>>5086606
Second.

>>5086586
Doesn't matter, your waifu is dead either way.

>>5087120
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>>5087111
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>>5087122
May you die happy.

I have a question. Has OP ever experienced real love, from a real live girl? ............aaaaaaaaaand if the opportunity to form a relationship with a girl presented itself to you would you reject it on the basis that it would be cheating on your waifu?

>Has OP ever experienced real love, from a real live girl?

No...

>aaaaaaaaaand if the opportunity to form a relationship with a girl presented itself to you would you reject it on the basis that it would be cheating on your waifu?

Yes, because no one can compare to her. The 3DPD would eventually start bitching about my lifestyle and cheat on me. Plus she has probably fucked 15 dicks already...no thanks.

>>5087111
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>>5087122
I salute you sir ;_;

>>5091087
Look someone got their infantile sensibilities offended again. Do you ban evade much?

>>5087111
>>5087120
>>5087122
As a fellow Mikufag, I salute you.

My waifu is real enough for me. Nothing else is necessary.

Salute

People who believe their waifu is real are painfully pathetic, and are just as batshit insane as your typical christian

Pic related, faggots before they become delusional

>>5091073

STFU then. This is exactly what pisses me off about 2Dfags.

>No

Then you don't fucking know what you're talking about, you're spouting this shit based on NOTHING and trying to look cool and fit in with every other retarded 2D faggot. Take care.

>>5091132
>>5091133
get out normalfags

>>5091133
You don't have to be bitter to love something. Your reasoning is flawed because you can't imagine someone could love 2D without being bitter to 3D.

>>5091132

/a/ is that way asshole.

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>>5091132
At least those sorts are at much lower risk of imposing their delusions on other people. Just about the only political activism I can see that would derive from having 2-D love is fighting any sort of anti-obscenity law such as the recent wave of loli bills.

Saged. You started to convince me with it with the first line and carried it out with "3DPD!!!11!" shit.

>>5091133
People like him have all the wrong reasons and don't realize that they can have extremely healthy relationships in 3D. Shit, it's what's been keeping us going and human for the past several thousand years.

I for one will remain faithful to my 2D wife in spite of any potential wholesome relationship. Such an opportunity has never come by for me so I do not know what I am missing, and I figure that I might be the happiest I ever am if I do go into one, I'll still be happy as I am in my current relationship. It's not fear of "bitches and whores" but more a fear of the unknown. Right now, I'm safe. I might as well keep that up, and I know that my love is by my side and remain that way.

>>5091164

>I had awkward sex one time 5 years ago don't talk about women like that bawwwwwwwww

Why do you keep deleting modcat?

>>5091146

It's nothing to do with being bitter, fool. Let's look at this post again.

>The 3DPD would eventually start bitching about my lifestyle and cheat on me.

This coming RIGHT after admitting that he's never had a real girlfriend. So what the fuck is this based on then? Guesswork? Whatever /jp/ has told him? What he wants to believe is true so he doesn't feel like he's missing out? It's nothing but bullshit.

Oh noes, now /jp/ might think I'm a normalfag for using reasoning and scrutiny instead of blindly talking shit to fit in. Whatever will I do.

>>5091181
I still have been friends with enough friendzoning girls to hear their stories about how they do it all the time and joke with their female friends about it.

>>5091181
He doesn't have high expectations for such a relationship. Why change what is making him happy because you are getting frustrated over it.

You shouldn't take the internet so seriously.

>>5091292
HEY CUT THAT OUT

>>5091210
Perhaps your friends would just make really shitty companions. Have you, or they, thought of this?

although I'm sure it hasn't crossed their minds.

>>5091181
As if anyone needs to have a relationshit with a real woman to understand it's the worst. People who prefer 2D know where it's at.

>>5090495
Well I have and OP is right in his assumptions.

>>5086586
Don`t think, feel.

>>5098673

I concur with you wholeheartedly my 2D-Waifu-Lover brother.

>>5086586

because... she is cheating you with a 2d.jpg guy

>>5087111
>>5087120
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>>5087111
>>5087120
>>5087122

I have to say that that was the most touching thing I've read in a long time.

>>5087111
>>5087120
>>5087122

Sir, your posts extolling the virtues of a fictional character as a life partner are compelling, but let me offer a counterattack.

Your relationship will always be completely one-sided, and your "waifu" will never give the slightest bit of effort to maintain the coupling, nor will she offer you words of affection or care.

She will never offer to cook y a delicious meal for you or to apply a soothing massage to your aching back.

She will never share your hobbies or cheer you along as you undertake any project. She will never be there to there to comfort you when things go wrong or when your hopes are crushed.

If you should ever become seriously injured she will never join you besides your bed as you lay there in pain and wrapped in bandages and machine appendage. When you lay there on that plain bed in that sterilized room that reeks of cleaning chemicals, there will be no one close to you, holding your hand, crying, and telling you how afraid they were that you would fade away forever.

You will die alone and unloved.

She will never birth you a child that you will both raise together, combining the sum of your love experience. You will never cuddle together and see your own self reflect in your child. You will never teach your child. You will never be proud as your child forges his or her own path in the world and returns to give something back to you.

True love and happiness is only possible in three dimensions.

>>5099059

You don't really give as compelling an argument as that warrior for love up there. Sorry.

There are a huge amount of errors in my posts. Excuse me as I am tired.

>>5099059
>You will never be proud as your child forges his or her own path in the world and returns to give something back to you.

This would be a deep and touching statement on any other board.

>>5099064

In order for me to do that I need more than 5 minutes.

>>5099059

I hate kids and chances are they won't contribute anything to my own life anyway. A 25 year investment really isn't something that I would look forward to.

>>5086586
Your argument lies on the notion of perception.

However, this is you simply catering your perception to suit your needs and justifications. When you pull away simple perception and see the hard truth. The hard truth, unencumbered by personal perception, is that you are a person who is deluding himself by making certain facets work for yourself. When viewed from the outside, you are but a person who is obsessing over something which is derived as a form of entertainment.

Cause get this: Truth is objective. And it is the unbiased observations made by many not by you alone.

Tl:dr
stop trying to justify yourself because you are running away from who you are. A scared, senseless human afraid to talk to others for fear of rejection.

> Well, if it's not real
> You can't hold it in your hand
> You can't feel it with your heart
> And I won't believe it

Hayley Williams said it best.

I am definitely upset that so many of these "date with waifu" images contain such nice and fancy food. You know damn well that you bought it for yourself, and the 2D waifu is just a facade to keep you on a poor diet!

>>5099126
>Cause get this: Truth is objective.

You need to read your Kant, bro.

>>5099166
Truth is objective.
It can be tried and observed and reproduced equally.
I can touch a screen and videotape myself.
I can say, I am touching a person"
However, when I take the video show it to everyone and ask them what I touched.
They will all say the same thing.
I touched a computer screen.

A drawing is a drawing. It does not feel it cannot see, it cannot be intimate, and it cannot speak to you and you alone and engage you. It cannot interact with you at all. You can only delude yourself into believing it is.

I'm a normalfag and the fact that this is really under some sort of debate is honestly quite astounding.

>>5099267

I'm a quasi-shut-in and could hardly consider myself a normalfag, and I'm quite surprised myself.

It is clear that reality can't be anything other than subjective.

Why can't people just love their waifu in peace? Whether she is 3D or 2D, the fact that we are all the scums of society remains still.

>>5099267

I'm a shut-in with a waifu, I'm surprised here as well.

>>5099320
>>5099296
Then I guess I am slightly less surprised, and somewhat comforted. /jp/ has always seemed like a... somewhat different board but sensible people are here like yourselves, it seems.

>>5099334

I just want to be left alone with my waifu.

>>5099126

Not so much out of fear of rejection, but I just don't like other people for the most part. They're shallow, stupid, and as far as I know, contribute nothing to society. They are simply used to eat up resources.

Of course, I view myself in the same way, but at least I'm intelligent enough to know that I'm a waste of a life.

Of course truth is objective. It's truth. But saying that it's made from "unbiased observations" is oxymoronic. An observation made by another human cannot possibly be unbiased. That goes in line with something becoming such a popular opinion (key word here) that it becomes fact by the sheer number of people agreeing with it. 2 + 2 = 4. That will remain true so long as you're computing in base 10. The only truth in this world lies in numbers, and even they can be messed around with.

Nothing is certain. You make your own existence. Go on and delude yourself into believing that a fictional character can have an engaging relationship with you. You're no different than the man who works 9-5 at his dead-end job and deludes himself that he'll one day escape from his horrible routine, or the student who deludes himself that he will be the greatest scientific mind the world has ever known.

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>A woman is a woman. It does not feel it cannot see(you), it cannot be intimate, and it cannot speak to you and you alone and engage you. It cannot interact with you at all. You can only delude yourself into believing it is.