/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Have you read your SICP today?

Tell me more.

I'm interested, so post more.

>>5073673
As a matter of fact, I have.

I read my SICP today, but I'm still having a hard time. That logic programming stuff is giving me trouble.

>>5073673
Yes. I'm currently reading the chapter about metalinguistic abstraction.

I hope it turns out to be ∴∵∴∵∴∵∴∵∴∵∴∵

Is that ALICE READING SICP?

>/prog/

>>5073665
What is that program you are using?

>>5073878

Flash.

DAWNTODAWNTODAWNTODAWNTO

Deary deary me, everything old is new again.

>>5073897

>>5073749
What's your favorite eval? I think I like lazy eval the most, since it's the easiest to relate to.

The day when /prog/ would no longer be worth reading has already come, but I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be ashamed too ashamed to mention that I've been there.

Reading this thread makes me sick, I hate every single one of you. Thank you for ruining my favorite corner of the internet.

>>5074002
Looks like someone didn't read their SICP today.

>>5074002
The worst part about it is the HMA meme and all the damn newbies coming in with homework help. It's fine otherwise.

omg is this a flash video for ``GJS Sussman feat. JSB Bach - We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells''?

ITT: one troll and newfags who couldn't recognize it right away

I SPENT AN ENTIRE DAY TRYING TO DO THE PASCAL'S TRIANGLE EXERCISE GOING BY ELEMENT NUMBER.

>>5074230
I look forward to this!

With all the time since MSTPT came out, I'm surprised it hadn't been done sooner.

>over 300 layers

That's horrifying.

hkjhlkhl

>>5074279
Flash pros commonly go over 1K layers.

>>SCIP lizard x Touhou flash

Get out IOSYS devs

This could be cool, but I don't suppose you have the resources to actually change the song. So it'll remain a shadow of its true potential.

>>5074304
Inefficient. No need for so many layers if you're good.

>>5074330
i'll do that later, and mix in some of the lecture stuff too

...gotta get some fucking sleep. i'll leave with this:

http://rapidshare.com/files/384937619/Abelson_Stole_The_Precious_Course.swf

The fuck does SICP teach?
Some sort of abstract programming language?

>>5074413
It teaches you magic.

>>5074309
>scip lizard
I lol'd more than I should have
>>5074404
Shows a lot of potential, I like where this is going
>>5074413
Scheme, a dialect of LISP

>>5074413
It teaches you how to conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells.

>>5074404
Glorious.

This is an important development in the Touhou community and should continue to be seen by all.

IOSYS IS SHIT

>>5074404
Awesome. Some more parts could be changed, but aside from that it's fine.

>>5074404
You could have at least changed Marisa for Sussman in that blushing scene before you went to bed.

>>5075499
MORE LIKE IOSHIT

>>5075711
Cry more SION

SICP is outdated.

>>5075813
Back to /gamemaker/, please!

>>5075813
You're just frustrated because you don't know the maths to understand it.

>>5075813
That's like saying Principia Mathematica is outdated.

>>5075836
I left /gamemaker/

>>5075837
Well, I have to say that maths are not my thing, but there's always books that explain you that short of things very well.

I don't know too much about maths, but I know a little bit about electronics, and I think that's more important on /programation/. Don't you think?

>>5075881
Well, it is, you know.

>>5075892
But the basis of programming is logic, not hardware EE shenanigans.

>>5075892
>maths are not my thing
>I know a little bit about electronics
...

>>5075905
You do realize that most hardware design is terribly similar to software design, just with higher stakes and less comfort. It's completly built on logic from the ground up. One could even argue that there's a lot more logic involved in EE (digital one, not the analog base).

>>5075922
That's why I said I know a little bit, instead of saying "I am the fucking master at electronics". I'm just a technician, not an engineer.

Anyway, look at what I got the last day from Patchouli's library. I know it's in Spanish but, isn't it nice?

>>5075965
> SEPPLES in a SICP thread.

It's huge, as you can see. I'll need a lot of time to go through all this stuff.

¡Muy programación! Jajajajaja

An explanation of virtual functions. It has examples and even exercises.

>>5075989
You'll gouge your eyes out halfway through.
Unless your work requires Sepples you're only going to hurt yourself.

>>5075989

Whoa.

Looks thicker than Pressman's Software Engineering. I hope at least this is more condensed?

>mi cara cuando alguien aprendio programacion cerca mio

Hey, it's that old-style
foo
{
bar
}
code block style. The book I taught myself C from used that style.
Sepples isn't eye-gouging-worthy, don't worry.

>>5076067
What is new style, then?
.foo {
...bar
.}
or what?

#include <iostream>

int main()
{
for(int count = 0 ; count < 0; count--)
{
cout << "/jp/ is full of man children and faggots";
}

}

>>5076089
Yeah, that's what I meant.
foo {
bar
}
which all modern books use.

>>5076089
This is the only good style.

More of my magic books

>>5076093
LOL, enjoy your dead code.

>>5076125
Is Op going for a games programmer career?

>>5076125
>Java

OK, now I KNOW you're just trolling!

And even more magic books... Those are a little bit small, but they're good to get you started.

>>5076125
>visual basic
>java
>c#
largate troll

>>5076125
Your trying too hard. Your trollface is showing.

>>5076149
Haha Dreamweaver. Been a while since I thought about that piece of shit.

Hey! This is in your language! I didn't remember I have this...

>>5076135
fix'd

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

int main()
{
for(int count = -1 ; count < 0; count--)
{
cout << "/jp/ is full of man children and faggots";
}

}

They should stop writing books about software.

They become worthless in 1-2 years and all that info is on the internet in better form.

>>5076172
>>int main
no return 0 ತ_ತ

>>5076172
You know, it'll end when it rolls over from negative from positive.

Use while(1) instead.

>>5076182
It's an infinite loop. It doesn't need a successful return statement.

Jajaja. El pelotudo piensa que es inteligente aprendiendo Sepples.

>>5076182
What'd you expect from stupid sepplers.

/jp/ - Technology

>>5076172
Just use for(;;). The CPU is going to waste cycles comparing values.

>>5076191
>he thinks int is infinite

>>5076196
That he studied C before.

>cout << "/jp/ is full of man children and faggots";
Way to forget endl

>>5076195
>pelotudo
al menos es mas inteligente que tu

>>5076215
You expect too much.

>>5076227
>spanish
chinga tu madre

>>5076237

Mexican Invasion? fuck year

>>5076316

>>5076316
I am not mexican and not only mexicans speak in spanish. You know, there are a lot of countries that speak spanish that are not Mexico.

>>5076338
South American butthurt detected

>>5076338
My boyfriend NACK speaks Spanish and he is not Mexican.

>>5076338
So where the hell is my Brutal Touhou Full.EXE?

>>5076355
>My boyfriend
fuck, you dont get a woman and thats why now you are gay?
wtf

>>5076343
I am not south american. See? You're all terribly wrong.

Then you should be all from England if you speak english, right? Well, no. There are other countries that speak english like Canada, USA and Australia.

>>5076381
Don't forget Liberia

>>5076381
Are you actually bothered by that Mexican comment?
There is no reason to respond seriously to something like that on the internet.

>>5076365
Here's your Brutal Touhou Full.exe

http://www.mediafire.com/?mu4zt1mt25c

>>5076472
>80B
Nameless-kun, this shrunk even more from your original 15MB! You said there would be development, improvement and something which would even surpass ZUNs work. Why are you trying to jip me, Nameless-kun?

I am not opening this by the way.

Fuck off you /jp/ freaks, you are the cancer killing /prog/.

>>5076487
I told you I would do this from scratch! Anyway, I forgot to post the source code:

http://www.mediafire.com/?hmkn1zuwz0y

That's the source.

>>5076381
How's Mr. Bean working out for you?

>>5076381
calling someone southamerican for speaking spanish is not like calling English to someone for speaking English. There's a country named Spain, you know.

>>5076512

>>5076172
There are two problems with your code
a) You forgot to add a newline.
b) You're using Sepples

#include <stdio.h>

int main()
{
unsigned i = 0;
while(++i)
{
puts("/jp/ is full of man children and faggots\n");
}
return 0;
}

>>5076487

And this is what you get when you disassemble it. See? No Game Maker libraries, no weird libraries, and no malicious code...

>>5076543
That code won't run infinitely. Why don't you use a simple while(1)?

>>5076579
This is silly:
mov ax,00200
mov dx,00048 ;' H'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,00043 ;' C'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0004F ;' O'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0004D ;' M'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,00049 ;' I'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0004E ;' N'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,00047 ;' G'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,00020 ;' '
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,00053 ;' S'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0004F ;' O'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0004F ;' O'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0004E ;' N'
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,7
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0000D
int 021 ;'!'
mov dx,0000A
int 021 ;'!'
int 020 ;' '

So it's supposed to display "COMING SOON\r\n"
Oh you!
And why use 16bit realmode... That's not even a valid exe, it's a valid COM file.

What exactly do you people have against Game Maker? Have you ever actually been able to make a game where the program was limiting you in your creativity?

Or is it just childish "real programmers" nonsense?

>>5076512
He's doing pretty bad, really

SEPPLES

>>5077533

Yeah, but he wanted a .exe, not a .com, so I changed the format to .exe. He wanted a Brutal Touhou Full.exe, and I made him one. What's the problem with it?

So elitist faggotry aside, which is better to learn if I want a programming career later on, Java or C++?

my other car is a cdr
forced indentation of code
BBCode and Scheme
INTERCAL
EXPERT PROGRAMMERS
etc

>>5077627
>So elitist faggotry aside
Is there any other reason people choose one language over the other?

>>5077627
You're going to end up learning C, C++, Java, Python and ASM at least if you're going to get into programming. If you're going to program 360 games, you'll also have to learn C#.

>>5077567
yeah pretty much - mainly why I keep all my shit to myself for the most part

>>5077659
So I've started already with Java. About how long would you say it takes to master a language?

>>5077662
So you make games for yourself?

>>5077699
not finished one for 20years or so lol - but I mess around on occasion

>>5077682
I suggest you take college classes to learn them instead of learning them yourself. You'll end up getting a lot of exposure to the things you'll need to learn.

Mastering a language is a funny thing, something like C++ doesn't take all too long to learn, but it's so extensive that you're always finding out new things about it. You can never really say you're mastered something like that, just that you've become comfortable with it.

>>5077627
The only language you need is BBCODE

>>5077712
Alright, thanks. I'm already taking a programming class, but I'm not really learning anything since our instructor throws assignments at us, without explaining the reasoning behind the code. One person ends up writing the whole code, and then passes it around on a USB drive.
As for asking my instructor, he seems to enjoy just sitting around while talking about Guild Wars and D&D. Shit sucks.
I actually attempt to write programs on my own, so that's probably why I'm failing...

>>5077745
Yeah, teachers like that are annoying.

The actual classes should be about learning the concepts so that you have the tools necessary to do the assignments yourself. That's the point of having a class to begin with. If you're not learning the theory and the applications behind the theory, than the teacher is simply NOT doing his job.

And Java isn't that great of a language to start with. Something a little more simple and to the point like plain C is great for beginners to learn the core concepts that will be used in every language.

>>5077745
You get better by practice.

Many programmers that now works on important companies started writting programs on their own at age 13-14.

>>5077780
What? Java is like easy-mode C. It's pretty ideal for beginners.

>>5077781
This. The more you do it, the more you're used to it.

>>5077624
The problem is that there's no problem with making a real exe, even if you insisted to use assembly(use masm).

>>5077798
>Since you started late, don't even bother learning programming; you'll never be a successful individual!

>>5076525
Common sense... when you call someone who speaks english you say Amerifag... not Gentlemen....(UK) and when someone speaks spanish if its not a Mexican then its a SA butthurt since no one give a shit about Spaniard even if they were the first to speak the spanish lang.

>>5078207
>when you call someone who speaks english you say Amerifag
Only if you are a complete fucking retard.

If you plan to end up in a job where you program C/C++ you should start with those. But if not, stay the hell away because manual memory management is retarded. Java and C# are pretty similar, so again it's mostly a matter of what you think you'll be doing.

I don't mean you have to decide now what you want to do forever, just in the short term. Practice makes perfect, so pick a language you can use for toy projects or open source stuff you would enjoy working on.

C# and Java are used all over the fucking place so you can't really go wrong by learning them

>>5077710
Sounds like me. Making games is fun, finishing games is a big pain in the ass.

>>5078918
>because manual memory management is retarded
But if you want to be a good programmer, you should understand it.

>>5079309
Manual memory management is easy, but that doesn't mean you should be doing it. I'm of the school of thought that goes like this: once you know how to do something right, do it once, and forget about it, now use that functionality. Memory management is a tedious programming process that can be better done by a a capable GC. It's the same reason copy paste programming is bad and why functions and macros are good.

>>5080299
Is that you, OP?

>>5080392
Yes. I shall now attempt to draw Sussman in the same style as Marisa, with my feeble drawing skills.

>>5080531
>Yes.
I missed you a lot forever.

jajajajajajaja

>>5079450
I never said that you must manage manually all your linked lists and arrays. But you should understand the concept. Basically, I agree with you but it should be noted that there are cases where manually managing your memory is preferred.

>>5080603
Of course. I also believe that one should know the architecture he's coding for, including the CPU's assembly language. That doesn't mean I would recommend the users to write in assembly, unless the situation required it, or the C compiler wasn't a good compromise when it came to speed (for example: if he wanted to optimize some video filtering code, he could port those to use SSE if he's on x86).

I'm 12 and I fully understand this

Abelson was the one who ended 6.001?

WHERE'S THE FLASH OP?!

PRESENTING...

GERALISA JAY SUSSISAME!

>>5081581
Your drawing skills suck!

Get one of /jp/s drawfags to draw it for you instead.

>>5081613
I know. Anyone want to draw this and upload in SWF?

>>5081643
nyone?

>>5073821
i hope so too

>>5081643
How's progress?

>>5082390
It's getting there...

>>5073694
dear fucking god, for the last time, and for 4 years running

someone fix up her fucked up right hand

>>5082445
I don't see anything wrong.

Remember when KоG was making "KoG stole the precious five"?

What ever happened to that?

Pretty much the only thing left is the lyrics.

Can't wait.

done for the day, will add more later.

still thinking of what to use for lyrics. does miku have an alice voice?

http://rapidshare.com/files/385280887/Abelson_Stole_The_Precious_Course.swf

Can someone explain this thread to me? I do not understand what is going on.

I understand that "SICP" refers to a fine old textbook on LISP, but I do not understand why there is this lizard associated with it. I do not understand the purpose of this flash edit, either. To insert references to programming and /prog/ into a Touhou flash video?

>>5083411

>>5083411
There's been some /prog/ and /jp/ crosspollination in the past. Even touhou/SICP fanfics.

>>5083411
I am highly bemused how people really think that could be a lizard, it is the mascot of /prog, progsnake

while we're having such a nice /prog/ × /jp/ thread let me take this opportunity to ask how the devs of the white album PS3 remake made those animeted sprites. are they prerendered? what tools did they use? anyone know anything? google wasn't helpful

>>5083424
>SICP lizard

Funny, I always thought it looked kinda like a Python...

I haven't touched C++ since 2000. I dabbled in Perl a bit when I worked for a telco a number of years ago, but since becoming a test engineer for a networking manufacturer, I do all of my work exclusively in Python. The company I work for standardized their integrated test environment around Python because it makes a great automation language.

I suppose I should probably pick C++ back up... It would probably help me get better at using gdb, strace, and oprofile; three things I always have trouble fully understanding.

>>5083437
> Even touhou/SICP fanfics.
Wait way

I know nothing of programming, but /prog is an awesome board.

>>5084481
With Shana and Haruhi characters as well.

Various fragments here: http://techloligy.pastebin.com/f4e6990f6

Missing a lot of stuff, though.

>>5084486
You forgot a /.

>>5084481
Search the archive for "Sussman".

>>5084556
>Syntax highlighting: Perl
VALID PERL CODE!

>>5084556
Have some more:
http://rapidshare.com/files/218413502/Yamamoto_Komoi_-_The_Usual_Lisp.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/317404633/gentoo_world.pdf
http://rapidshare.com/files/317404845/perfect_tail_recursion.pdf
http://rapidshare.com/files/385482228/lispwut.pdf
http://rapidshare.com/files/385482371/progff2.pdf

>>5073664
ｗ Ｈ Y a ｒ ｅ Y ｏ U Ｓ t Ｅ a l i n Ｇ c O ｎ Ｔ e N T ｃ Ｈ R I ｓ ｔ ｏ p ｈ e ｒ Ｐ Ｏ ｏ ｌ Ｅ ? ｈ t t Ｐ : / / 8 8 . 8 0 . 2 1 . 1 2 /

OP here, this thread is still alive?

I'm running out of ideas for what to use for making the lyrics.

>>5088834
>this thread is still alive?
It better be!
or at least link to a thread on /prog/ since threads aren't pruned there.

>>5084318
thatsthejoke.jpg

>>5073960
Saved.

Bump for more SICP x Touhou

Bump for general SIPC.

>>5090691

How do you pronounce SICP?

>>5090757
siss-puh

>>5090757
Sick pee

>>5090757
Sick-ip.

A better version. I put the audio back in and fixed the compression for greater QUALITY.

http://rapidshare.com/files/385576048/Abelson_Stole_The_Precious_Course.swf

And no AVI version, so if you're browsing this on your iPad, too bad.

>>5091105
The overlaid audio sounds like crap and makes the bass too strong.
Fix that shit!

>>5091131

>>5091131
>The overlaid audio sounds like carp