/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>5053827
THIS BETTER BE GOOD FUCKING NEWS

TELL ME IT AIN'T SO

Let our prayer reach the heaven...

April fools?

SON OF A BITCH

What the fuck? I was certain someone just vandalized the page for trolling purposes until I looked at the history.

I wasn't that excited about Kara no Shoujo but I still would've liked to play it so this sucks.

Gotta hate faggot groups.

whaat.

http://privatepaste.com/e981f2cb54

>有限会社グングニルと申します。

>著作権者として再度要請いたします。
>Innocent Greyのゲーム『殻ノ少女』『カルタグラ』の翻訳をすぐにやめてください。
>また、『殻ノ少女』『カルタグラ』の画像・テキストなどの情報をサイ
トより削除してください。

>よろしくお願い致します。

http://privatepaste.com/e981f2cb54

Well shit

This does not mean the project has been dropped.

FUCKING HELL.

This is getting stupid. Can someone contact the translators and tell them GO UNDERGROUND like we were talking about?

Seriously, this is retarded. Keeping projects up on that site any longer is just ASKING for everything to get shut down.

Where the fuck is Moogy so we can yell at him?

>>5053882
But isn't this the saddest day of your life?

hahaha

So it looks like this is it. It was a good run guys, but VN fan translations are done. Thanks minori for starting the slippery slope to utter faggotry.

http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Cartagra

Also affected by the same request.

>>5053886

They weren't even working on it all on the wiki anyways. See >>5053882 That dude is the translator.

Jesus Christ.
Looks like I'm going to be crawling through this one with a dictionary, since I already have it anyway.

As posted in the thread, Apoptosis is indeed going to continue it, just underground.

Anyway, looks like we need to take further measures now.

>>5053907
Serves you right.

>>5053907

Oh good. Like, say, removing all script files from the site, as was suggested last time something like this came up?

>>5053887
Sad when you're a big fan of their games, yes. The team has put far to much effort into KnS to let all our efforts go to waste. I stress once again: There will be a release sometime in the near future.

>>5053907
what were you going to do again?

Remove all script files and have TLwiki be merely a status page or something like that?

Hey guys, what's goi-

We have two options:

1) Block Japanese IPs
2) Move all project files to private SVNs

1) is easier, I guess.

http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Talk:Kara_no_Shoujo

http://forums.novelnews.net/showthread.php?t=35801

>>5053928
>>5053919

Do this.

>>5053928
[X] 1
[ ] 2

>>5053918
Good luck, Apoptosis.

I've been following your project ever since it started so yeah. I hope I can see it released.

>>5053907
Block JP ip's and remove all script files, turn TLwiki into merely a status page, since that's what it really is to most of us.

If someone wants to help on a project they can get in contact with the TL team by means of IRC or TLwiki.

>>5053918
Aye, good luck with your endeavors.
BTW, what about Cartagra, are you going to drop it or do it anyway?

Better yet, use something like Freenet or something similar

>>5053930

None of these companies have any interest in localizing their games. It's foolish to think that they're doing anything other than being reactionary dicks.

Furthermore, you can't market porn games in the US. They'll never sell.

>>5053934

Do this. Lock out Japanese IPs, and remove the content that's causing them to complain in the first place. It's the only way to be sure.

>>5053923
oh I lol`d

By the way. How the Yosuga no Sora thing ended? They will go underground or what?

>>5053933
>>5053949
Thanks for the support.

In light of this new situation, I'm not exactly sure about what I'm going to do with Cartagra at this moment. Since I started last week, I've gotten roughly 9% done on the script (as of today's total progress).

For now, I'll refocus on fixing up minor issues in KnS so that can get released sooner.

>>5053974
What the hell are you talking about? Pre-Nitro+ JAST is alive and well by translating/selling nukige.

Blocked Japanese IPs for the time being.

>>5054005
Cartagra:
There's C&D wiki if you want to use that
Or there's always the whole personal blog route with a status update on the side and if you're in need of help you can ask for help on it.

Good luck, TLwiki devs.
Have faith, /jp/.
Good bye, world.

>>5054017

Treating symptoms, not cause.

I appreciate the effort, though.

>>5054140
How the fuck can the 'cause' bring more problems with that?

>>5054005
>I'm not exactly sure about what I'm going to do with Cartagra at this moment.
Well.. I want to see Cartagra translated and I hope you'll continue with that project somehow.

;_;

>>5054140
True enough...
Might not going underground be the best choice after all? Let's get TLwiki to become an index/status page and have all future projects be more low-key or hard(er) to find. Maybe do something like what the ToHeart2 project is doing? I can't imagine the companies to be bored enough to sift through forums to find the projects. Of course, the best thing to do would be to take pre-emptive action and make all future projects sites ban Japanese IPs. That way a project wouldn't suddenly (and damningly) drop off the face of the earth when eroge developers turn on the heat.

>>5054153

Because eroge companies don't know how to use proxies, right?

I still don't get why groups working on projects actually give up because of something harmless as that. There are many ways to solve such a problem.

>>5054281

For the sake of appearances, I assume.

>>5054263
The point of blocking JP ip's would be to prevent them from seeing the translation pages.

Rather than having Japanese IP's see same page that someone from say an IP in the US would, TLwiki should make a page with random shit that only Japanese IP's see and prevent them from seeing anything else.

Kind of like http://www.japanesebirdcookingspaghetti.info/
If a Japanese were to see this, what would they think? "What a cute bird." and they move on. Who knows what kinds of material this site actually holds?

>>5054302
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.japanesebirdcookingspaghetti.info%2F

>>5054302

Again, it's not like they couldn't just use a proxy.

If they're LOOKING for TLWiki, and clearly, they were, and are then redirected to a Japanese bird cooking etc, then, well, they're not stupid. They will use a proxy, access the site anyway, and request a takedown of whatever they own.

Hence why you should go full dark onto freenet. Who the hell are they going to send takedown notices to there? Not that you can take anything down on it anyways. Then release it onto the light net once it's done.

>>5054335

robots.txt bro.

iijapan's proxy can still access tlwiki btw.

>>5054344
>well, they're not stupid

>>5054344
i doubt their workstation allow proxy access, given the high nature of the risk involved if using such proxy.

>>5054373

And then there's this, see.

The safest way is to put forth some effort and take the translation files down.

Just remove all the links to files if you're an unregistered user.

I doubt Japanese companies would take an effort to register.

Blocking Japanese IPs should be enough. There's a bunch of unregistered editors on there, and keeping the files there helps keep things moving along.

Should wait and see if there's any more issues before doing more.

>>5054344
We're trying to prevent future C&D's and the best way is to block access from Japan/make TLwiki appear like something that it's not.

The best way to do that is to make TLwiki appear to be something entirely unrelated to what it is. e.g JBCS.

Sure they could use a proxy, but how do they get to the point to where they say "Something is not right here. I think I'm being trolled. Let's use a proxy." ? Someone has tipped them off.

And there's nothing we can do to prevent that.

However, we can prevent having to take a page down, that would be changing the purpose of TLwiki, from a place where you can setup your project and dump scripts (the copyright violation) to just a status page where you can ask for help if any is needed and a gathering of translation interest.

If someone wants to help on a project, take a look at the project page, find out who's part of the team message them on TLwiki or #tlwiki on IRC.

It also can continue to serve as a place to check on the status of a translation project, albeit not as detailed as before.

>>5054448

This is EXACTLY what I'm suggesting.

What the hell happened to TLWiki? All I'm seeing is a blank page.

>>5054475
Moogy-dono is working behind the scenes.
>>5054448
to clarify on here
>We're trying to prevent future C&D's and the best way is to block access from Japan/make TLwiki appear like something that it's not.
this applies only to Japanese IP's

>>5054475

Well, now we know it works.

In before KID sends a C&D and we don't get R11

>>5054523
KID's kind of dead, so I doubt that'll happen.

>>5054448
our savior has come.

>>5054534
They'll resurrect, just to spite english VN fans

>>5054534
Nah, don't worry about it, I reported it to Cyberfront.

I find it funny just how little alot of people are understanding these situations. C&D's aren't being sent simply because of hosted script files.

Translations are generally done after purchasing the license to do so from the creator and they're essentially telling these guys to halt all activity or receive legal action, not just delete the files from the website. That's why TLwiki takes the entire project off the site.

>>5054650
They won't be able to take any kind of legal actions.

>>5054650
go back to middleschool and relearn your law class

I am literally in despair right now. I have been waiting for this translation for so long.

>>5054650

So? If the script files are taken down and the site re-purposed into merely a information/progress wiki, they can't send a C&D, since translations aren't being done any longer.

>Innocent Grey/Gungnir
This is so disappointing. I don't know whether to rage or be sad.

>>5053995
yeah i wanna know about this too, anybody care to fill us in?

What's going to happen to the translated files? Will they be deleted and gone to waste or hosted elsewhere?

Why don't you faggots try reading the thread before posting?

>>5054688
Explain to me exactly where I was wrong, I stated simply from their standpoint. It's entirely possible they're capable of legal action as I've seen many cases of people charged with piracy, I just don't how how foreign piracy works. They might not be able to take you to court but I don't see how the idea is completely shot down, as if they find out the person responsible, I don't really see how they wouldn't be able to, with proof of course.

>>5054792
>piracy
TLwiki isn't offering you a pirated copy of the games.

>>5054829
No-cd cracks.

>>5054856
They're still not offering you the games.

Also on the topic of if the Japanese companies can actually take legal action, sure they can.
However, it'll be expensive and pointless for them, unless of course they actually have plans of releasing it in English.

>>5054885

Apparently they have to register their copyright in the US first, or something like that?

>>5054909
Here's some delicious copypasta (minori, but still applies):

The Japanese copyright holder [minori, Inc.] must first register his mark [ef, eden*, et cetera] in the U.S., but then he can sue. The fact that it wasn't registered in the U.S. when the infringement occurred does not preclude him from suing because copyright protection arises automatically by law when the work is created. It may affect claims for attorney's fees and stuff relating to the question of innocent vs. willful infringement, but that's not a huge deal in copyright cases. The fact that the copyright holder is not a U.S. national does not preclude him from suing. Most of the patent suits I helped defend were brought by non-U.S. corporations, and I assume copyright is the same. The copyright holder may only sue for U.S. territorial damages. Any damages occurring in other countries as a result of the infringement must be sought in the courts of those countries. Along with damages, the remedy would certainly include an injunction enforceable in the U.S. Damages sound like they'd be tough to prove. If they're too small, I think the copyright holder would probably be able to use the same 1203 claim that the RIAA uses to get up to $25,000 per "instance of circumvention." The details of the case would be important at this point.

>>5054885
no-cd patches still contain game code though

>>5054829
Technically, ripping the scripts from in-game, altering them and redistributing them is considered piracy, I'm pretty sure.

>>5053928
You don't need to do any of that shit. A simple change of policy is enough.

Change your policy to something similar to the C%D wiki. Make it clear to them that you won't take the projects down. Let them know that the companies will need to contact the individual group members to ask them to stop.

>>5054926
And my random file made by hex code editors contain parts of every software ever made too.
Your point is?

>>5055003
The point is tlwiki and translatorfags should drop that retarded "respecting authors wishes" bullshit and just translate the damn games.

About banning japanese IPs, why don't we wait a few more months until everything is settled?

I'm interested in knowing who's who. If more companies want to step forward, let them. Know your enemy, etc.

>>5055046
That seems to be what Moogy's doing. The only reason he's removing the pages is because he doesn't want legal trouble - which is fair enough.

>>5055066
And potentially lose more projects? Let's not.

>>5055070
Sure.

The best we can do at this point is try and prevent future C&D's.

>>5055093
The only way we're truly going to lose anything is when a translator has been convinced to stop due to ethics or whatever. This will always be a problem no matter what you do, you will always be at the risk of the vn companies contacting the translator.

I'd rather use this opportunity to sort out who's of among those companies.

>>5055129

For all their arrogance, I do get the impression that the eroge authors are rather more approachable than the typical mid- to large-size Western companies (even minori - a civil discussion on a wiki talk page with a corporate PR guy? on a cold day in hell...).

Did any (fan) projects actually try to talk them into giving "official" blessing to translate any games? And what was the result?

>>5055302
1. give them absurd amount of license fee
2. obtain esrb rating or equivalent of any country you will to sell to
3. go to japan to meet them in person

>>5055302
http://witch-hunt.com/letter.html

I bet one of the translators is a mole.

>>5055320
What.

I already completed the game with the translation anyway.

>>5055316

Looks pretty damn authentic, wow.

Note how he says that they've been aware of the project for a while. I bet many companies would probably prefer to ignore translations rather than explicitly state their position.

>>5055612
Of course it's authentic, he even included them in ep4.

The lesson to be learned here is to not buy shit to support these companies. YAR!

>>5055697
Being a lead of small doujin circle helps too. You don't need to be considerate with the marketing department, investors and shit.

>>5055729
And W-H project has helped the Umineko sales overseas a lot, ep4 was on 1st place for a long time in either paletweb or the other online shop I can never remember.

>>5055744
Even with multitudes of soundtrack and music composer, no one raises a fuss with licensing. Once the lead has spoken, that's that.

gg dev here.

Just wanna say I fucking hate minori with all my heart. As if their games weren't shitty enough, we all owe them for the most retarded trends going on right now. Blocking gaijin websites, stupid C&D requests after what they did, etc.

FUCK YOU, minori.

>>5055874
minori are troll devs

Augh, this is so frustrating and sad. I've poured so much money into Innocent Grey that this just feels like a slap in the face.

Cancel my pending Sugina Miki artbook order y/n?

>>5054017
Seems like a good idea given the circumstances. Also, I want to thank you for thoughtfully keeping it open to my IP.

Maybe this guy jinxed you all.

>>5056266
Maybe that was a secret warning from a sympathetic employee using a proxy.

>>5055874
Filtered. Go back to nnl.

>>5056270
I somehow doubt that.

Baka nips are stupid. They should follow the example set by ZUN or R07. Piracy will only lead to more hype and free promotions and let you gain more customers. Without piracy there wouldnt even be a western market.

>>5055874
>gg dev
Go back to being dead.

>>5056295
Or maybe they should focus on jap piracy.
Let's say, i wanted to try comyu in case I'd buy it (for real), 20 japs downloading it, 2 US and me.

>>5056295
I know! InnoGrey is (was) among my favorite companies; I own every game of theirs but Nagomibako, all (except Kara no Shoujo) purchased new, and as much merch as I could get my hands on. I went to their events. I did everything I could to support them, and it's really disappointing to see them hop on the bandwagon with fucking minori and in effect turn their back on me and the rest of their English-speaking fanbase

I don't know... I thought (albeit baselessly so) they were different.

>>5056329

The solution is simple: Realize that all large companies are evil money-hoarders, and, thus, not worth supporting.

>>5056338
and this is probably coming from a guy that only buys apple products and thinks M$ is satan

>>5056295
I know! InnoGrey is (was) among my favorite companies; I own every game of theirs but Nagomibako, all (except Kara no Shoujo) purchased new, and as much merch as I could get my hands on. I went to their events. I did everything I could to support them, but that's not going to continue any longer. They're getting a polite yet heartfelt e-mail from me asking them to reconsider, and then I'm not spending a yen of my money on their games until such time as they see fit to change their minds about this nonsense (likely never).

It's really disappointing to see them hop on the bandwagon with fucking minori and in effect turn their back on me and the rest of their English-speaking fanbase. I don't know... I thought (albeit baselessly so) they were different.

>>5056344

Actually, I fucking hate Apple and all they stand for. Dicks.

I don't support ANY company. I just use Windows because it's the most compatible with the programs I want to run.

>>5056347
You have to understand their position as a company. Fan translations hurt their chances to get deals with localization companies.

>>5056434
Like 07th Expansion's did? DJ circle or no DJ circle.

I might buy it if I thought that they, or Cuffs or minori, were actively seeking localization deals. If they were, they should have gone the Nitroplus route about it. But I highly, HIGHLY doubt they are. And at this rate, even if those deals were to materialize and JAST announced Cartagra for this time next year, I wouldn't buy it. They've already burned me once, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan who feels this way.

>>5054523
Also, we're getting R11. Don't you worry.

>chances to get deals with localization companies
According to some recent declarations they just are too xenophobic to release their novels in English. That is really sucks, you know.

So where are all the fags that's defending the eroge companies now?

>>5056541
Daytime guys.

>>5056543
holy shit that explained everything

So Japanese IPs has been banned, huh? Or some redirect?

>>5056265
>Cancel my pending Sugina Miki artbook order y/n?
Nah. Hate the company decision maker, not the artist and/or staffs.

Innocent Grey отсосёт мой джагон.

Как же заебали эти пидоры-копирасты...

This whole DMCA \ C&D thing is so fucking retarded, makes me RAGE...

>>5056541
Difference is eden* and YnS were shit games no one was sorry to see get C&Ded.

>>5056684
Why so.. russian?

>>5056684
Не пиши больше.

Good to see they aren't giving up on Kara no Shoujo, though I'd really like to see Cartagra too, and considering the progress, it could be done in a good time.

>>5056721
Your mother is shit.

>>5056571
Yeah, you're right the more I think about it; it wasn't her fault. But I won't be buying their games from now on.

so which one goes next?

my money on G-Senjou; aren't Akabeisoft already blocking filthy gaijin IPs?

>>5056740
Your decision to send e-mail is neat, however.

>>5056746
Yep.

>>5056752
Yeah, well. I would call them if I weren't afraid of getting nervous and fucking up my keigo on the phone. I'll probably approach the people running their table at wintercomi and say something along the lines of "I love you guys and your games, and so do lots of English speakers, so it'd be great if you'd either license official translations or allow fan ones. Thank you."

Grassroots, people.

But we're still getting it.

R-right? ;_;

>>5056784
Yes. Read the thread.

>>5056784
Care to read the thread?

>>5056784
Apoptosis is a bro, he won't stop even if he's stopped.

>>5056790
Normal, I mean, he has done the whole damn game, you don't stop when you're done already.

>>5056466
Who actually initiated that nitroplus deal, anyway? Nitroplus? JAST? It was a relatively brilliant market move, whoever did it, and they have my full support for it.

>>5056798
I don't know about you but I think mangagamer is definitely better.
JAST/Nitro+ just take too long with their translation which is ridiculous.
Mangagamer has probably release more games that are relevant since their existence compare to the whole of JAST.

>>5056815
I just like the reaction of "hey, these guys are translating our games without permission! Let's hire them!" which makes me want to support their cause, however slow at it they may be.

Personally I don't use translations, but that move still gives me more respect for nitro+, and a bit more for JAST, even if JAST is a shitty and terribly slow company and makes me want to support both of them.

>>5056844
They're not slow. It's just common in software marketing that releasing multiple titles at the same time don't generate enough revenue. Releasing one product at a time with focused marketing, costumers in full wallet and enough free time is important to maximize profit.

Demonbane and Dra+Koi has been in Golden Master status in JAST many months now. Makoto is doing Sumaga and Muramasa in his free time.

>>5056913
You clearly don't know anything.

>>5056913
>Makoto is doing Sumaga

>>5056913
>not slow
>releasing multiple titles at the same time don't generate enough revenue
This would be true in other genre but clearly not the case here when you are talking about eroge/vn.
Unless you are releasing heavy gameplay content like rance or bigbangage, most eroge can be finished in 1 or 2 sitting.You can finish them in 1weekend. You need to release more stuff to tie your customers over.

Disclaimer: I just woke up and haven't read the comments here but dammit RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE! I hope the guy releases his hard work on the internets anyway. Be a pro.

>>5056913
Like I said, I don't use translations, so about all I know about JAST is whiny threads on here about "oh god they pushed back x release again"

So I've never had any sort of opinion of them as a company, but the nitro+ move definitely gives me some respect for them.

>>5056925
Okay, read at least the last 20 posts.

>>5054925

IANAL, however I have followed the legal proceedings of just about every RIAA case. One problem that came up a number of times (for the RIAA), is that they needed to present proof that their copyright was registered at the time of the alleged infringement. They could sue regardless of registration, however in order to get statutory damages ($750-$150,000 per infringement without the need to prove actual damages) it is required that the copyright be registered with the US copyright office. Short of this, one can sue for actual damages (which need to be proven, unlike statutory damages) incurred on US soil. For a translation patch, if the suing party is able to get their hands on the number of downloads, then they could sue for (number of downloads * price of work (although profit per sale may be used instead)). A good lawyer could probably argue the lost profits from a licensing deal as well as actual damages, especially if they can get the numbers on a similar licensing deal.

>>5056934
A translation tends to not be distributed with the actual game, so there shouldn't be any lost sales (and possibly may actually be GAINED sales), so the real lost profits should theoretically only be the cost of a licensing deal, which, if the company was not ever planning to go for in the first place, is effectively 0.

>>5056940
That would probably be the defense, and it very well could win, but the suing party would likely claim that every translation downloaded was something they could have sold instead (selling the game with the added value of a translation).

>>5056940
They just need to ask Nitro+ what Jast is paying them, and ask the court to find the same damages. It is still likely more than any random fan translator could afford.

>>5056940
What kills me is that many if not most translations come specifically with requests not to be included with torrents and for people to support the companies. Just as there will be people that will pirate official English releases, there will be people that will buy the original Japanese ones, even if they can't read them.

From the US Copyright office

Among these advantages are the following:
• Registration establishes a public record of the copyright claim.
• Before an infringement suit may be filed in court, registration is necessary for works of U. S. origin.
• If made before or within five years of publication, registration will establish prima facie evidence in court of the validity of the copyright and of the facts stated in the certificate.
• If registration is made within three months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney’s fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an award of actual damages and profits is available to the copyright owner.
• Registration allows the owner of the copyright to record the registration with the U. S. Customs Service for protection
against the importation of infringing copies. For additional information, go to the U. S. Customs and Border Protection website at www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/import.

>>5056965
>• If registration is made within three months after publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney’s fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an award of actual damages and profits is available to the copyright owner.

This verifies what the other Anonymous said
>>5056934

>>5056266
I have a feeling some troll is sitting back laughing, sending letters to these Japanese companies and making them aware of these translations, gleefully watching as the chaos unfolds.

I have a feeling this whole thing will turn out badly for us.

Even if some people have the balls to go through with their project, a lot won't and it will be our loss.

I suppose we can hope that situations like this will make the Japanese companies aware of the fact that there is a developing foreign market for visual novels, and that every fan translation project is the lost of potential sales that they would get if they entered the English market. I would love to see company number 3 show up in addition to MangaGamer and Jast (HgameZ doesn't count) releasing visual novels.

>>5056970

>>5056982

The fuck is that shit?

Kind of funny how many simple-minded folks here are arguing about why it's stupid for Japanese eroge companies to protect their IPs from translation projects without given permission; something called piracy in the real world.

Seriously stop debating on that and just make sure to go underground if you wish to continue to work on translations.

>>5056981
Unfortunately they too can see that those two companies aren't doing so well.

>>5056996
Learn what piracy is.
Your suggestion is still right.
Even if the target the host site, they cannot stop the translators, unless the translators feel 'Oh no, the mother company does not want me to defile the game'.
Which I doubt.

>>5056996

This is more complicated than just saying "HURR THEY HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT" as if that should be the end of the story.

>>5057010
No the legal case is pretty simple and I targeted the folks here who said that it's stupid for eroge companies to protect their IPs because they work as of now probably won't get licensed anyway. That's a pretty simple-minded statement and I bet that if fans hadn't translated SnU and Clannad, companies like mangagamer and JAST would have the opportunity now to license those games.

>>5057007
Not only that, but also legal thingie. I doubt many people want to try and see if japs can sue them for the translation patches.

>>5057010
No the legal case is pretty simple and I targeted the folks here who said that it's stupid for eroge companies to protect their IPs because as of now their works probably wouldn't get licensed anyway. That's a pretty simple-minded statement and I bet that if fans hadn't translated SnU and Clannad, companies like mangagamer and JAST would have the opportunity now to license those games.

>>5057018
It is so easy to release a patch on an unrelated server not connected or traced to your home address/Ip with no info for them to sue, it's not even funny.

>>5057028

So we're supposed to wait til kingdom come for them to throw us a few bones? Fuck em

>>5057028

And if you think doing this is in their best interest, well you're wrong about that too.

>>5057036
No. It's just annoying to see the discussion rise again. Just translate the games and stop debating on morals because it's still illegal no matter how you window-dress it.

>>5057056
It's not totally ilegal, for some places, just doing a free patch is legal.

>>5057030
It's not like it's impossible to find a person if you can't trace the one who uploaded the content. Roundabout ways are good as well, like you know who was working on it anyway, and so you can find him by nickname + requesting ips from all the sites you know he visited. Or something along these lines. Well, maybe i'm just a way too paranoid though.

>>5057056

I didn't really catch the posts that were talking about morals, come on this is /jp/. People are just pissed off that they might not get their english translations in the future

>>5057065
Upload from an Internet cafe.
Deny all involvement from your regular address.
Done.

>>5057064
No it's not and even if you do it in your basement without internet connection it still could be a grey area in your country's laws.

>>5057065

When we talk about underground, we're talking about sticking to your IRC channel and not whoring yourself all over the net. It's impossible for them to anything about it then.

>>5057078
Yes, it is. According to my country's regulations is legal to make what I said as long it's for free, that's to say, I don't obtain any kind of benefit from it.
It's especially regulated for whatever reason.

>>5057085
No it's not and next will be you explaining that everybody on /jp/ created their own patch with their self-made translation and everything applied on their legally bought copy.

Okay, so you're going underground. I'm sure that the translation status anon will warn me of the release, but how do we know the status (what's the IRC Channel, or moving to C&DWiki, or mabe a blog)

I think the C&D wiki is just to troll at least I hope so. Keep it underground

>>5057142
You don't, and thus neither do the trolls who would report it and the companies who would try to wreck shit. Sit on it and wait for the release, you baby.

What's Kara no Shoujo about?
Serious storyline or erogeshit?

>>5057180
Darkdarkdark detective work and awesomeness.

http://vndb.org/v810

>>5057168

If the keep it to IRC it's a moot point.

>>5057180
6/10
Would smirk again.

>>5057180
>The year is 1956; a series of bizarre murders rocks the city of Tokyo. Tokisaka Reiji, an ex-cop turned private eye, joins the investigation at the behest of his friend Uozumi Kyozo, a detective in the MPD. At the same time, he takes on a missing persons' case at a private all-girls high school, as well as a mysterious request from a girl named Toko to find her true self. As Reiji frantically struggles to crack the case, he learns that the murders bear an uncanny resemblance to a case in which his own fiancé was murdered six years ago. But try as he might, the body count just keeps rising...

It sounds interesting but the detective gameplay (clicking round the screen for clues at points, and other detective stuff) put me off it.

>>5057192
Fine. GTFO and leave it for people with taste, then.

>>5057191

I'm not trolling, i really don't know.

I want to know if it's some decent storyline or just "lol you saw my panties lets fuck" with some lame mysteries there and here.

>>5053827
http://jp.gfx-beta.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

TLwiki is full of fags, better switch to C&Dwiki.

>>5057200
I don't think it's a problem of taste, I just don't have much of an interest in gameplay these days. Also, please don't use /b/-speak here.

>>5057201
Then try to phrase it better next time. "Is this game has game shit in it or is it a book", lol.

>>5057168
You're going to teach me about my own country's legislation now. Great.

Is the mc a woman?

>>5057201
It's really a great game with shocking events in it. It doesn't even have any comedy (Maybe a very few scenes with the Forensics doctor heroine).

I definitely wouldn't recommend it to the faint of heart though, because some CGs and events are vomitinducingly cruel (especially if said events are happening with the heroine you liked), and there were scenes described in such a way that I literally felt repulsed by what I was reading (see this scene for example http://p.blicky.net/3dyxx ). It really is excellent toying with your emotions, and has excellent twists in the second half. I also liked how every seemingly unrelated thing connected at the very end, and the last choice (+scene) was like HOLY SHIT.
Its ending is was pretty great (read really satisfying), but I'd recommend staying away from this if you play eroge for the warm and fuzzy happy ends. Also keep in mind that the game is really adult themed, so you have some heroines in the adult age (I loved Natsume, she was awesome), and there are also a few slut characters.
Also, the game is breathtakingly beautiful.

>>5057254
No.

>>5057254
No

>>5057267
Why so serious?

>>5057267
Are the heroines in this game virgins?
I hate rape victim plot devices and sluts.

>>5057267
Ah man that CG is really putting me off reading it. I love fuzzy happy feelings.

>>5057267
Natsume's voiced by Hikaru Isshiki so of course she's awesome.

>>5057301
Don't play it if care so much about virginity. I just said it's a game with really adult nature. Even the protagonist is a guy in his 30s or late 20s.
>>5057305
Yeah, well this game is a really dark game, there really is no ending here in which everyone survives unscathed.

>>5057305
THIS GAME HAS THE REAL DEAL SEAL OF APPROVAL AND IS NOT MEANT TO BE PLAYED BY DISNEY DEVS.

Get over it faggot.

>>5057325
>Implying Inganock doesn't have death count as well.

Ah...They are gonna continue, but I wonder where will their put status and all.

>>5057305
Enjoy your retarded nonsensical MAGICAL RESURRECTION FAIRY TALE HAPPY ENDING.

>>5057326
>Nigacock
Nigacock is called Disney because of furries dan talking animals. It has nothing to do with it death count.

I don't mind non-virgins, I'm not the one to cry "slut" at every sign of a girl showing interest in sex, so that's a non-issue for me.
However, I have a question. Is the story of the "life sucks and then you die" variety? Are the depressing parts there just for the shock value and cynical image of a corrupt world, or are they actually used to convey something more meaningful? Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind depressing/"anyone can die" stuff in itself - one of my favorite manga is Hiroki Endo's Eden for example - but I really don't like things trying too hard to be "dark" when it's unnecessary for the story.
Reading shit like >>5057325 automatically turns me off, I can't help but picture an insecure teenager(or just a manchild) trying to pass off as adult because he can enjoy "mature" content that "faggots" don't like. And that makes it harder for me to enjoy the content in question.

>>5057213
The choice of trolls!

>>5057267
Awesome. I love this. I hate warm and fuzzy shit like Kira Kira, bring on the tears.

>>5057339
Or you know... if could just be a story where no one dies?

>>5057321
I don't really mind that much if a heroine is a nonvirgin. I only have a problem if she's casually sleeping around or is a rape victim.

I just prefer heroines to have a little dignity with themselves to not sleep around casually with anyone, and yes that includes with the protagonist. I just can't get attached to heroines that's sleeping around casually, especially if they're still in highschool.

On the other hand, rape victim heroines in eroge tend to have too much forced melodrama and I'm sick and tired of it.

When is this coming out roughly? This really intrigues me, I've pretty much ran out of interesting and visual novels like this to read, all the cliché VNs are really starting to bore me out of my mind and making me think that I've grown bored of VNs.

>>5057390
The editing should be almost at 60%, then this happened.
Also they are having engine problems.

>>5057389
Wait, you guys are actually serious about hating heroines who aren't virgins? Stop being so fucking picky, why do you even CARE about that? Rape as a plot device is overused and dumb, but who gives a shit?

>>5057390
Learn moonspeak, play all the great ones released these days.
Last 2 years have been great for this media

>>5057392
Thanks for responding, looks like I've got something else along with Steins;Gate which is apparently fucking awesome (if it's anything like Chaos;Head, I'll love the shit out of it), to look forward to.

>>5057396
Yeah, Steins Gate will be great.
Also read Subahibi if you haven't.

>>5057394
I really fucking want to, I wanna play Monster Hunter Portable 3 when it comes out at the end of this year too, but I don't really know how to start. I'm all for working to learn if I get into it, just all these shitty websites I look at are pretty much pointless, learning a word, etc.

>>5057378
Sup DARKS?!

>>5057401
I would read that if I had the ability to read runes, as I said, I have no idea how to start learning, and I've never really bothered trying to look into it, even though I really wanna fucking learn.

>>5057413
Ah, since you said you were looking forward Steins Gate.
You can also try and use AGTH+Translation Aggregator, I use it since I'm not really at kanji, the translations aren't really good, but it's understandable if you are imaginative.

>real deal™ game
>no slut
>no used good
>no magical iilness
>no people dying for no reason but to give shock value
>final destination

>>5057393
Did you even read my post you're replying to?
>I only have a problem if she's casually sleeping around or is a rape victim.
I don't think that's unreasonable.

Anyway, go enjoy your sluts that has multiple stds in her system.

>>5057418
>Ah, since you said you were looking forward Steins Gate.
>You can also try and use AGTH+Translation Aggregator, I use it since I'm not really at kanji, the translations aren't really good, but it's understandable if you are imaginative.
I was planning on doing this, because according to Japan, Steins;Gate is awesome, and I thought Chaos;Head was awesome, so Steins;Gate must be mindblowing good.

>>5057443
Yeah, it should be, Subahibi is supposedely also awesome, judging by revies in japan and here.
If you don't really have anything to read, try practicing with this, that or with G-senjou no maou, which has been translated up till chapter 3 and the last two chapters aren't so it's not the whole game.

>>5057344
I'm not sure what you are asking. Its story is well thought and nicely executed and it's addictive in a way that you can easily immerse yourself in it. The story isn't cliche by all means.
>>5057389
As I said already, don't play it if virginity/rape victim/sleeping around are that crucial for you.

>>5057453
>If you don't really have anything to read, try practicing with this, that or with G-senjou no maou
By practicing, do you mean learning to read Japanese by reading G-Senjou no Maou?

>>5057443
About Steins'Gate... As far as my Japanese goes, is there a trap?

>>5057462
No, using AGTH+TA, takes a bit to get used.

>>5057476
I think so.

>>5057476
Yes.

>>5057478
Ah right.

real deal = 厨二病

prove me wron g

>>5057481
Damn. It makes me want to read it more badly than just withgiven recommendations from Anon. I know about 500 kanjis right now so it's too little to read smoothly.

>>5057460
I see, I guess I'll take that as 'the heroines in this game are casually sleeping around with everyone and at least one of the heroine is a rape victim' then.

I'll pass playing this then. Thanks.

Herro ebryone!

As you can see from my picture, I am foreigner just like you! I hate master race Japanese from beautiful country Nippon just like you!

Purease you will tell me, what is on this website of "Japan Bird Make Some Spaghetti". I wish to know, so I can be fooling more intelligent with longer life expectancy Japanese, just like you!

Lower this to me.

>>5057508
I wouldn't say that myself.
All I say is that you'd be disappointed if you'd play this game expecting its main focus to be about the girls and/or virginities.

>I hate Innocent Gray/won't buy their products etc

I love Innocent Gray and I don't think this is a reason to hate them. This is just some idiot in the legal department, desperate to try and keep the company afloat (we all know how often eroge makers go under). The artists, writers, musicians and everyone else involved in Innocent Gray still put their hearts into making great products, and this (though it's a bit of a slap in the face) doesn't stop me from loving their great games.

>>5057213

You guys are even more obvious than the KS devs :(

All I know about Steins;Gate is that huke did the artwork for it, and that by itself is good enough for me.

>>5057751
You know, I really want to agree with this sentiment, because I do appreciate the work that goes into this kinda stuff, but do you really think they would have a different response than the "legal department"? The sad reality is that overseas fans do not factor into their equation, and for the most part they just don't care.

>>5057476

pic of the trap?

Also, will it ever be translated?

>>5057804
It's the one on the right.
As for the translation, propably not by fans, since it's Nitro+. I guess I'll finish my studies before it will be translated.

>>5057804
>>5057864
Isn't it a 360 game, too? Or are the rumors I heard about a PC port true?

>>5057875
They're true.

>>5057875
Port in July.

>>5057875
Yes, it'll be out on 30th July

Lilith, April 20
Minori, April 23
CUFFS/Sphere, April 27
Innocent Grey/Gungnir, May 06

Looks like a slippery slope, 4 companies so far. Who's next?
Possible candidates:

>Akabei Soft2
>G Senjou no Maou
Already banned foreign IPs. C&D from them won't be unlikely

>Akatsuki Works
>Devils Devel Concept
Banned foreign IPs.

>Type Moon
>Ataraxia
A lot of C&Ds where sent to users who torrented Kara no Kyoukai and Canaan, this may or may not be related to Type Moon.

>Giga
>Baldr Force
They used to be in negotiation with Jast, but it broke down. It still puzzles me, I'm not entirely sure how I should interpret that event.
It could be that they share the same mind as Minori, but maybe not, since they haven't banned any foreign IPs.
It could be that they wanted a bigger share of the pie than Jast offered, but then again one of the Admins at Jast did comment that royalties wasn't the issue.
I'm still confused about their stance, it could go in either direction.

>>5059111
I think JAST commented that it was due to Giga not having uncensored copies of the CG's that caused the negotiations to fall through.

>>5059111
Giga are supposed to be gaijin-friendly.

>>5059132
>>5059157
Okay, I guess I was overly worried then.

>>5059111
I hope the G-senjou translator doesn't give up, he's been editing that shit too much time just to say fuck.
I wouldn't, jsut because all the time I've wasted.

There's another bad news on the horizon. At some point, Navel did temporarily ban IP....
Couple that fact with this:
>http://novelnews.net/2010/04/16/kouryuu-visits-4chan/
>to his knowledge, MangaGamer had not heard much from Navel recently
This might be a cause for worry. Maybe Navel has changed their minds?

>>5059186
They shouldn't, I mean, one of MG'sn projects is Essence+.

>>5056844
They originally just told tlwiki to stop translating Nitro+ games. It wasn't until later that they offered to hire them (or maybe it was even tlwiki who proposed it, I don't really remember). By the way that is the exact same way MG handled fan translations of games they licensed (except they've actually, you know, released them). So no, Jast and Nitro+ aren't the saints you think they are.

>>5059190
When was this said? I've been looking forward to E+, but last I heard, there weren't plans for it. Not to mention, MG would probably release the Shuffle sequels/fandiscs first.

>>5059229
What games were those for MangaGamer? I know there was Shuffle (lol), but isn't that it?

>>5059232
I believe Kouryuu said something about it (that was the name of the MG translator I believe).

This needs sorting out. Moogy needs to grow some balls and block Japanese IP addresses.

>>5059229
It's still progressive thinking on their part. And the constructive solution was accepted.

Instead of being grumpy like Minori, giving everybody a ban hammer and setting up barbed wires around their website.

>It wasn't until later that they offered to hire them (or maybe it was even tlwiki who proposed it, I don't really remember)
Remember there where 3 parties
Nitro+
The fantranslators
Jast

It's also likely that this was planned by Jast from the ground up.

>>5059275
Someone didn't read the thread. He already has. >>5054017

>>5059275
That will just rouse them more and probably cause more butthurt japs to report the projects. Also, ip blocking is stupid - not like it's hard work to get a proxy or anything.

>>5059244
Soul Link. They also offered to work with the Twins for Higurashi but they declined so MG released it on their own. Also the guy who was fantranslating Soul Link has since translated some other games for MG. And during all this Jast still hasn't released a single Nitro+ game.

>>5059275
>>5059283
This may end up with some seriesly bad consequences though.

Ask yourself, how would Nitro+ have reacted if they where greeted by a Japanese Not Allowed sign?
Would they really have partnered up with Jast if we had banned their IP?

Why are Nitro+ so brilliant? They actually work together with gaijin (JAST) to make everyone happy.

>>5059285
They can't do shit about it.

>>5059300
More like it was the easiest choice, instead of finding translators, they just hired fans willing to do it.

>>5059300
I don't think there will be another company like Nitro+ anymore. Especially not if ban Japanese IPs.

>>5059315
None of the companies sending C&Ds want to release their products outside Japan at all.

No matter what you wapanese dipshits think, this isn't fueled by "copyright infringement" or any of that shit, it's "We don't want disgusting gaijin playing our GLORIOUS NIPPON GAMES"

>>5059300
Nitro+ just happened to get the offer from JAST, probably. I hear they're actually kind of assholes. Something about not offering any help with the engine or something.

>>5059300
Nitro+ just happened to get the offer from JAST, probably. I hear they're actually kind of assholes. Something about not offering any help to TLWiki with the engine or something.

>>5059328
>None of the companies sending C&Ds want to release their products outside Japan at all.
Nitro+ did....

>>5059300
Yeah, because they're the first and only company to do that.

>>5059333
Yeah, Nitro+ is being pretty bitchy about the English release thing.

>>5059305
It's not like it's going to stop anyone who wanted to send a C&D letter if they intended to anyways. And Moogy decides to ignore them from now on, that kinds of defeats the whole purpose of blocking the site in the first place. I guess it would stop randoms japs from vandalizing the wiki, but probably only minori are shitty enough to bother with that.

More important is the perceived meaning behind the act - many eroge companies who might have been interested in expanding overseas in the future would probably be pretty put off by this, even if it was just a reaction to minori. Better to play the quiet, victim role if you want to draw their sympathies.

>>5059341
NItro+ isn't part of the current wave, who have all sent C&Ds entirely to stop gaijin getting their hands on their stuff.

>>5059333
>Something about not offering any help to TLWiki with the engine or something.
You'll need to be more specific.

Maybe TLwiki wanted help to merge PC content with XBOX content? In that case, I'd be iffy about it too...

>>5059347
>More important is the perceived meaning behind the act - many eroge companies who might have been interested in expanding overseas in the future would probably be pretty put off by this
THIS.

This is what I'm really afraid of ;_;

>>5059347
Who cares. It's not worth giving up our dignity to help some company that doesn't give a shit about us.

>>5059354
No, nothing like that. I won't pretend to know the specifics, I just remember seeing Moogy bitch about how they were being completely unhelpful with making the engine work with English text (wordwrapping, etc). Wordwrapping has to be done manually.

>>5059346
They are? Well damn, I thought they were bros.

>>5059367
>Who cares
I do.

We can't ever become what the anime fansubbers are today. We actually need those companies's help.

>>5059380
They are.

Lightyears ahead of groups like Minori.

>>5059385
Why? If a VN business becomes viable outside Japan, all it means is that it will become more difficult to find people willing to translate awesome games that aren't getting a release outside Japan. We have nothing to gain from bending over backwards for the cunts, and a whole lot to lose.

>>5059229
>>5059333
>>5059346
Get back to bad and stop talking bad about your rivals, silly MG devs.

>>5059385
These companies don't want to help us. They don't want people outside Japan playing their games. They don't care about profit, they just don't want foreigners to touch their superior Japanese software.

Just because Minori are the only ones being vocal about it doesn't mean they're the only ones it applies to.

>>5059406
>>5059385 is right. It's too much work to translate visual novels for free (and in a decent time period). You're basically translating several full-length books. If you guys want visual novels to stay strong in the English side, you need to support the localization companies and stay on the good side of the eroge makers.

>>5059423
Stop samefagging.

>>5059417
>They don't want people outside Japan playing their games. They don't care about profit
Stop generalizing. All the the companies who rallied with Mangagamers are good ones.

>>5059385
Why?

>>5059423
It would be better to never see another VN in English than to give in to those scum.

>>5059111
If Ataraxia implodes, I may just have to kill something. I've been waiting for so long I could probably have learned Japanese in the meantime, and I want something at least resembling a coherent translation because I didn't.

>>5059436
The only good ones.

>>5059406
>all it means is that it will become more difficult to find people willing to translate awesome games that aren't getting a release outside Japan
Baseless. You have no proof of this.

>We have nothing to gain
All the projects that MG has worked with. All the games they will work with in the future, this is a gain.

>>5059423
If legit companies want support, they should learn to proofread. It's a complete joke that the people who translate for free can do a far better job than the people who are charging ridiculous amounts.

>baww they won't let us illegally translate their games, they must be racist
Stop throwing your toys out of the pram. These are businesses, they're going to act like businesses.

>>5059441
>It would be better to never see another VN in English
NO ;_;

>>5059436
Ryu07 who loves his gaijin fanbase and promotes translations.
Overdrive was cool enough, the same with Navel, that's it.
Then lots of sex romps

>>5059444
>The only good ones.
Nitro+ too!

>>5059467
Yes. These scum need to learn that they can't fuck with us, and if that's what it takes, it's a small price to pay.

It's a shame Anonymous seems to have become a spineless weeaboo now instead of the angry son of a bitch who used to stick up for things.

>>5059482
GET OUT! ;_;

>>5059462
There's a valid reason.
they hire translators, so of course they are not fans, so the love for the work is not really that high. That and something no fantranslation has, a marked deadline.

>>5059472
You're forgetting Circus.

>>5059482
ANONYMOUS IS LEGION

>>5059462

This. This this this. I won't buy MangaGamer's releases simply because a) they're too expensive and b) they look like shit.

I don't buy shit.

>>5059464

Hey, notice how no one cared about TLWiki until this whole shitstorm with minori and them blaming the inevitable fall of their industry on THEM DIRTY GAIJINS?

Yes, it IS motivated by racism even if they're perfectly within their rights to shut down translations.

>>5059498
Fuck yeah, DC II

>>5059493
That's not really a VALID reason. It's a reason sure, but it's not exactly valid when they're charging that much for their games.

>>5059507
They have no legal right to shut down translations, unless the full game is being distributed with the translation.

They're currently just bluffing. If it ever went to court, they'd lose.

>>5059520
>that much
you mean when they
-have to buy the rights
-have to hire a whole staff of translator, editors and programmers
-have to make some kind of profit
-still their novels aren't as expensive as japanese ones
And don't bring the physical copy argument, they just don't have enough money and you still wouldn't buy it for ANY other reason.

just wantede to mention that putting something so blatantly obvious as jbcs page for japs is going to make them all figure out they're blocked immediately.

what would be a better idea would be to create a separate version of the tlwiki only accessible to japs, which would a lot of the projects cancelled/c&d'd and some removed and have some fake news about them being stopped, while the real one would still go on normally.

something like that would seem much more real than "LOL JAPANESE BIRD"

>>5059537
No.

>>5059542
Again, it's not a valid excuse. If they can't make a satisfactory product, there's no reason to buy it.

>>5059493

It would take an underpaid BA in English failure only a week, at most, to fix all the errors in any MangaGamer translation. Well, maybe not Edelweiss, but...

Hell, I'd do it for them if I was paid. They have no excuse.

>>5059530

Er, yes, they DO have the legal right to shut down these translations. What TLWiki is doing is effectively piracy, and they should just man up and accept that yes, they are criminals.

So what? Everyone's a fucking criminal. In my country, if you so much as talk to someone under-18 over the internet, you're a criminal.

Man the fuck up, TLWiki.

>>5059552
Their products lately are more than satisfactory, you just don't even want to buy them, say tsumihoroboshi or curtain call, just a few typos like most fan translations.

>>5059542
Can't compare prices between the markets inside and outside Japan. Everything in Japan is more expensive.

Mangagamer are charging ridiculous prices for shoddy products. They should either make the products to a decent standard, or charge less.

>>5059559
>Lately

Too late to repair the damage.

>>5059560
>Everything in Japan is more expensive.
This is NOT a reason, if everything is more expensive in japan that measn the rights are also more expensive
>Mangagamer are charging ridiculous prices for shoddy products.
Yeah, 40€ for an originally 70€ game is ridiculous, tehy should charge more.

>>5059573
Again, another petty excuse just to justify yourself
>oh they weren't perfect on their first tries now it's too late

>>5059573

Plus, they're still overcharging. How long is each Higurashi game, again? Is it really worth THAT MUCH money?

Also, thread is autosaging. We need a new one.

i don't buy them because they're all drm locked and i refuse to pay for that shit.

that and last time i checked they didn't accept bank transfers as a method of payment. i can't pay in any other way.

>>5059574
It is a reason. Prices differ by markets, the pricing in one market isn't relevant to the pricing in another.

>>5059580
Yep, Ryu sold them for about that much at comikets.
Also kai is more expensive since you have to pay Dai and the rest.

>>5059579
It's way too fucking late, EVERYTHING they've released has been typo-ridden tripe, and they haven't released anything that would be worth buying even with a perfect translation for a very long time. Higurashi is the only exception, bought the first one, but there's no fucking way I'm buying the answer arcs until they sort the pricing out.

>>5059589
And read the rest of my argument and realize they had to buy the licence japanese price wise, so naturally they have to compensate at least a bit.

>>5059603
It's irrelevant, for the reasons I stated. If they wanted to sell outside Japan, they should have charged prices people outside Japan would be willing to pay. You're just pulling excuses out of your fat weeaboo ass because you can't except that you're supreme Japanese masters hate your fucking guts.

>>5059599
>EVERYTHING
Nothing like that since they released higurashi, which means also soul link and fandisks, you know.
>>5059588
>i don't buy them because they're all drm locked and i refuse to pay for that shit.
You're blaming them for making their products safer so they can't be pirated, wow
>that and last time i checked they didn't accept bank transfers as a method of payment. i can't pay in any other way.
Get a fucking credit card, everyone has one, also contact your bank, they should allow you to, since the transaction may seem suspicious

>>5059620
I like the part where you ignore the part of my post where I say they haven't released anything that would be worth buying even with a perfect translation for ages.

THREAD.

AUTOSAGING.

NEED NEW ONE. GO.

>>5059618
Ad hominems, great, now this feels like 4chan.
Also you're basically telling them to go to ruin, as Koryuu said when he was here that they just can't charge any lower normally, the company would sink.

>>5059630
As I also said previously, they should go to ruin. We need to show these Japanese fuckers whose boss, and if that means we don't get any visual novels any more, it will be worth it.

>>5059627
I consider both the edelweiss, curtain call fandisk and the both kai games worth buying.

>>5059635
Kai games would be worth buying if they weren't charging twice the price they were for the first arcs.

Everything else is shit. If it's too shitty for me to even consider pirating, I'm definitely not going to buy it.

>>5059640
>twice the price
maybe because now they have to pay royalties to the composers, something they didn't have to do with the normal arcs.
we also don't know if the rights for kai were more expensive that the normal ones.

>>5059629
If you care that much, YOU make one.

It's not like this thread is exactly worthwhile any more, it's descended into butthurt pirate fags vs butthurt wapanese fags.

>>5059648
Jesus Christ, you shouldn't care about that shit. It's businesses job to sort that shit out behind the scenes without passing the cost onto the consumer. If they can't do that, they're failures.

>>5059648
Actually they DID have to pay rights to the composers with the first arcs, because they replaced the music from the first arcs with music from Kai.

>You're blaming them for making their products safer so they can't be pirated, wow
i blame them for this:
>You are limited to activate your game up to five times with the same ID due to the copy right protection.
>After five times of the activation, your ID is no longer effective

i can install it up to 5 times, then i can just as well delete it since i'd have to buy it again to install.

>Get a fucking credit card, everyone has one
i would need a job first. they don't give credit cards to people with no income.

>also contact your bank, they should allow you to, since the transaction may seem suspicious
my bank allows transactions, i buy my figs that way. it's mangagamer that didn't accept those last time i checked.

>>5059620
>He thinks DRM makes products safer
>He doesn't seem to realise that DRM just punishes people who legitimately buy things, and pirates don't give a shit about it

>>5059684
You need a job to get a credit card?

What shitty country are you in?

>>5059684
>>After five times of the activation, your ID is no longer effective
It can be increased if you email them and request more installs.

>>5057301
No, this is a game for adults about adults.

Go play moeshit if you want PYUA PYUA braindead loli schoolgirls.

>>5060608

New thread.

>>5059599
>EVERYTHING they've released has been typo-ridden tripe
You are completely full of shit.