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He wouldn't last two days

UWWOOOOOOO OYASHIRO-SAMA DOESN'T EXISTTTT

>>5033315
CALM THE FUCK DOWN NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET

Battler+Hinamizawa syndrome?
It was nice to meet you Rena and mion, you wouldn't even survive 5 mins.

>>5033297

>implying Battler didn't live in Hinamizawa during his 6 year familial exodus

>>5033315
Meanwhile in Umineko...

Keiichi solved it after Episode 2 and makes Beato his sex slave.

He'd do this?

>>5033358
Keiichi is so competent. If he was born a few decades earlier he'd be destined to rule the world. Not like that OTHER protag...

Keiichi beats the shit out of the Siestas with a shovel.

Battler would hide under a table again.

>>5033382

Battler never hid from the Siestas. He scared them shitless by just standing there.

>>5033358
This, K1 would've already solved everything.

>>5033358
You wish, K1 was all talk, he was ultra tsundere when he was with Mion.

>>5033375
Bullshit, nostalgia fags.

Battler cries alot, but the bastard's persistent (if not else!)and believes in his friends and family, perhaps TOO MUCH. He wouldn't kill his nakama, unlike K1.

Then again, if battler wasn't incompetent, he wouldn't be liked as much.

>>5033400
K1 has the balls to do what needs to be done.

>>5033400
Just become the ringleader because he sympathizes with the bullshit reason of a blond bitch and oversee the tragedies himself. Willingly, instead of turning insane/
SCORE

>>5033402
This. Battler's character makes him like-able. Incompetent as he is.

Also, Nack, do you sleep? You're always on either /a/ or /jp/.

>>5033396
This.

>>5033414
Same with Battler. It took Rika like what, 1000 tries to figure out the truth of what was going on?

Battler did it in 5.

>>5033399

He was a fucking idiot. He had no idea that Mion liked him as more than a friend. Not really tsundere.

>>5033424
Yes, I sleep. It must be the timezones that make it seem like I'm on all the time.

>>5033438
I guess.

So, what timezone do you live in?

>>5033424
>/a/
eww
Don't go there Nack, you'll be tainted.

>>5033431
Wait, wait, wait. Didn't PIECE rika figure out what was going on after a bunch of tries? Piece battler never figured anything out.

I don't know, Battler might solve Higurashi in one episode with bullshit reasoning

>>5033431

She gave up rather early for a very good reason: she was sedated and had no idea who the killer was because of it. Then she figured it out, and won the round immediately following.

Battler has supposedly figured out everything by the 5th round, but royally fucked up in the 6th and is still continuing the game.

>>5033445
GMT -03

>>5033448
I head over there every once in a while to see if there are any seacat threads.

>>5033452
I haven't read Higurashi yet, and my memories of the anime aren't that clear, but weren't Piece and Meta Rika the same?

>>5033297
Probably longer than Keiichi did. Thinking wasn't really one of K1's greatest skills, and Battler has a better build, so he's more likely to be able to overpower anyone who gives him hassle.

I doubt we'd see him fight Rena on the rooftops with a coatstand-spear though.

>>5033452

Rika was never a full piece. She had a double existence, being both a piece and meta at the same time. At least that's what I think. She only was able to win after the GM (supposedly AuAu) quit because Rika kept losing and gave up.

>>5033469
Hm, I haven't read it so I can't say either.

>>5033456
There were no small bombs in Higurashi.

It pretty much sucks to be Battler.

He likes his entire family.

He sees his entire family die horrible, horrible deaths.

He gets tortured over and over again, also gets blamed for the family's horrible horrible deaths.

And.... is going to be forced to either acknowledge that his family is full of assholes, or that his wife is a gigantic asshole.

>>5033297
Depends...does Battler like DFC? iirc, K1 and Battler have different tastes in women, right?

>>5033452
There is no" piece Rika" or "meta Rika" in Higurashi idiot. Bernkastel represents her memories of all the scenarios Rika has been through. Yes Rika figured out the rules, but only because Keiichi remembered that he murdered Rena and Mion, which allowed her to get his help and fight fate.

>>5033478
Is that so? ohohoho~

>>5033474
If it helps, he might end up in a fistfight with someone.

>>5033474

Battler's the same age as K1. He's 18 in 1986, and K1 was 15 in 1983. They'd be about the same build.

Guys, don't forget that Piece-Battler only got 2 days to solve Umineko, as oppose to Rika's time limit (whole month? can't remember)

>>5033467
Hm, GMT here.

So we're close, I guess.
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>>5033487
Dat laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5zB6kUOyZI

>>5033486
Well, thanks for clearing that up then.

But anyway, since we're comparing K1 and battler, we can say K1 was the only one that, as a piece, realized the situation.

>>5033492
2-3 weeks.

>>5033486


Bern's existence is different from Rika's memories. Every game Rika would remember some things but lose track of others. PARTS of her memories were absorbed into Bernkastel. Rika remembered almost everything from fragment to fragment, and only when other people started having a passing memory of it was she able to think of a plan. The minute she wasn't alone, she won.

>>5033501
Wait, wait.

K1 solved Higurashi? He didn't solve anything, they just fought against it after Rika told them, right?

>>5033492
>>5033504
Didn't it start as like, a month or so, but then the time started getting shorter?

>>5033501
K1, as a piece, realized that he killed Rena and Mion before. He didn't realize that TAKANO IS THE MURDERER LOLOLOLOL

Likewise, Battler as a piece has no link to his meta-self, well, so far. I hope later on the meta world explodes and Battler rains hell on the culprit.

>>5033402
>Battler incompetent
>incompetent

Truth, that is why we like him.

>>5033511
No, I mean, he realized all that shit about the fragments/kakeras, right?

>>5033492
But Battler has magical buddies helping him.

>>5033521
Yeah, that's what I meant.

Disregard what I said here >>5033527 then.

>>5033527
Yeah. I think Meta-Battler could ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of Piece Battler too, but then again, perhaps not.

>>5033527
Oh wow.

One of us is so fucking mistaken about Higurashi.

>>5033533

Ah, roger.

Battler is surronded by trolls. His aunt, his mom, his cousin, his cousin's maid waifu, his other cousin, his other cousin's butler husbando, his other other cousin, and his OTHER aunt are trollfacing him.

Dude's neckdeep in trolling.

>>5033504

Rika had anywhere spanning from a couple of years to a couple of weeks to solve her problem. Hanyuu mentioned a couple times that her magic was subject to diminishing returns, and the iteration that Rika won in was supposedly the last one that Hanyuu could bring her into. If she had lost there, she would remain dead for good.

>>5033484

The only DFC in that family is Maria, and she's a little girl. It's established that Battler doesn't like loli because of that...or because he's double her age.

Rika was 11-12 and K1 was 14-15. Less of an age gap, although Rika is still a loli. Remember that K1 embraces the fact that he's a man and therefore a pervert and once mused about taking off Rika's bikini (loli in a bikini WHAT)

K1 and friends are able to win because their determination gave them a miracle to break fate

Battler doesn't have "miracle" nor "fate" on his side lol

>>5033484
There's one hilarious comment Battler makes about liking black haired lolis.

>>5033553
Rika must be pretty slutty.

Haven't visisted /jp/ much after streaming episode 6, and I was wondering if someone could fill me in on the general theories regarding Battler's birth.

>>5033567

He said that to troll Beato since she was a well-endowed blonde woman. I don't think we can take that comment about him liking loli seriously.

Also, Maria's a redhead.

>>5033566
Battler has determination.
But as for miracles, well, she's his biggest enemy, his fate is to die horribly, and everyone thinks it's totally cool to lie to him.

>>5033581
No, but he really is a breast sommellier.

Of course that probably means he likes both.

>>5033573

You mean the proof?

He's Kyrie's child. The original "Battler," the one that "died," was actually given to an orphanage. This was the same orphan that was entrusted to Natsuhi, and the same orphan that died with the maid when they were out for a walk in the garden.

>>5033587
That's not stated anywhere.
There is not even one proof about it.

>>5033587
Proof / Theories.

Anyhow, that one sounds familliar, but have we found any clues in the previous games?

Knox <x>th shows that there must be clues for that, but I suppose you know that already.

>>5033572

She's fucked K1, Akasaka, and Satoko. Of course she's a slut.

She probably also fucked Hanyuu at some point, even though that doesn't seem physically possible.

>>5033587
Telling you man, that orphan's not dead. Seriously, Battler Deux will be the final boss.

>>5033598
By fucked you mean... with her penis?

>>5033594
>>5033596

From everything that I've seen, the general consensus is that it's undeniably true due to the clues that were given. I'm taking liberties by calling it proof, but I have yet to see any evidence that contradicts it.

Of course, the absence of evidence doesn't prove the evidence of absence. There could be an unknown unknown involved here.

>>5033599
Final Battle:

Fake Battler x Beato
vs.
Real Battler x "Beatrice"

>>5033607

If you're into futa, sure why not.

do you guys think that in the next vn he makes ill be a crossover from both games?

>>5033613
BATTLER TAKES ON BEATRICE WITH SUPPORT FROM BEATRICE AS SHE TAKES ON BATTLER IN THE FIGHT OF THE AGES

>>5033622
I would love to see that.

Imagine the Blue/Red/Gold/<New Color> truths.

Will be orgasmic.

>>5033618
It's already a goddamn crossover, fucking AuAu....

>>5033627
...More like retarded and convoluted.

>>5033622
WHO'S GONNA WIN? BATTLER AND HER TRUSTY COMPANION BEATRICE, OR BEATRICE WITH ASSISTANCE OF BATTLER?

OH BOY!

>>5033640
Dunno, Ryukishi could pull it off, if he tried hard enough.

>>5033634
It has been a crossover since Bern and Lambda

>>5033613
I think the last 'in-game' fight will be something like that.

However, I think afterwards, Bern and Lambda aren't going to take the game ending laying down.

Battler vs. Bern, Lambda vs. Beatrice. Final Destination.

>>5033627
Fuck yes. Metal Gear Seakats, it is our destiny.

>>5033646
Beatrice: "Go home and be a family man"
Beatrice: "..."

>>5033650
Though technically they do not appear 'in-game' for Higurashi.

>>5033610
There is no clues about it.
The only thing we know is that:
Kyrie and Asumu were pregnant during the same time period
Kyrie supposedly lost her child who should have been delivered the same day as Asumu's.
Natsuhi received a baby during this period but he(?) supposedly died a few days later.
Meta-Battler is Ange's brother but he wasn't born from Asumu's.


It's simple to do an easy correlation like RUDOLF EXCHANGED THE BABIES FOR WHATEVER REASON AND THAT BABY WAS GIVEN TO NATSUHI WHO MANAGED TO SURVIVE AND WAS GIVEN TO AN ORPHANAGE.

But there is absolutely no clues that something like this happened, it doesn't even fit Rudolf's personality in any ways.

Lots of other things could have happened.

>>5033650
no but i mean that battler meets k1 and friends and they both team up to defeat the ever ending game

>>5033665
I seriously doubt Battler's gonna return to his family in the end.

Or he's gonna take Beato with him.

>>5033573
Battler was born from Kyrie. Jessica is born from Asumu making her the actual Battler. So in reality Jessica should've been the detective from the beginning, and Beato's opponent, but whatever...

Anyway let's hope for a brass knuckles vs Hatstand battle on the roof of a burning Kinzo's mansion in the final episode.

>>5033655

Then they all fight the TRUE final boss.

>>5033655

Ep7: Battler will reveal what happened to the real Battler
during this time, Bern will find the real Battler and toss him onto the game board as a piece for Ep8

>>5033646
No, no, no, that's only if you withstand Bern's torture. If you gave in you get George as your sidekick.
Stealth Camo saves ammo, though, so it's not that big of a deal.

>>5033295
H + + P : // A + . k | m M O Á . S 3 /

>>5033695
Not quite. If Jessica or Shannonlanondingdong was Asumu!Battler, Battler is still qualified.

Kinzo's grandSON Battler, remember?

>>5033713

Does it even need to be said?

>>5033585
He's breast meister.

>>5033696
EP9

>>5033718
Nah, Beato was quite tricky in what she did.

KINZO'S GRANDSON BATTLER USHIROMIYA IS THE ONLY ONE QUALIFIED TO BE THE OPPONENT

BATTLER USHIROMIYA WAS BORN FROM ASUMU

LOLOLOLOLOLOL ITROLLU

Can somebody tell me where to download the Higurashi VNs?

I'm looking but not finding.

>>5033744
you are not looking hard enough.
Also support MG.

>>5033734
Damn it, fucking word play shenaningans. Still, I think the fact that our Battler, who is the Endless Sorcerer, is indeed the rightful opponent of Beatrice, is a given.

>>5033744
copy paste

HIGURASHI

Game
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=104053

Crack
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ansuzz

Music patch
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5DYVP1X2

Hide UI
http://www.mediafire.com/?g50yyddlwz1

Sprite/bg patch
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DCVEAIFX

Background patch
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CVPZZB82

>>5033731
lol of course the person playing the role of obligatory corpse is George.

>>5033749
Nobody supports MG. Their translations suck balls. Buy the Japanese games instead.

>>5033762

Thank you very much.

>>5033572

Sure is.

>>5033769
You obviously haven't been reading teir latest translations.

Aren't we all more incompetent than Battler?

>>5033780
Shit, nigga, if i waz on dat island i'd bust a cap in da culprit. id also bust a cap in that blonde bitch with the big titties too, I mean, DAYUM

>>5033731
She's smalltime for him with his endless nine.

>>5033780
...Technically, no/

>>5033293
h + + p : // Á T . k Í M M o a . 5 e /

>>5033793
Technically yes, we could have guessed it already by ep4.
We didn't.

>>5033803
Yeah, but, come on.

Beato's riddles are too crazy.

>>5033803
>He actually believes Ryukishi!

The only reason Battler is so incompetent because he is facing 1000+ years old opponents, and that he doesn't have the time to think unlike the rest of us. And yet, he still solves it in 5 episodes, while we are still stuck on dumb theories

>>5033803
He had 'plot intelligence enhancers' and 'sudden revelations'. It doesn't count.

>>5033817
>He hasn't read ep6!
>>5033814
Battler the incompetent realized them, that's +1, compared to us, we are 0s.

>>5033803
He did it off-screen.
And nothing is resolved.
So, he was granted the answer by POWER OF PLOT and still fails.
Also, if you believe you with the bullshit presented should solve it, you buy into hype too much.

>>5033828
Battler only had confirmation for his theories because LOLPLOT, who told you some theories that have been made ages ago aren't true for us as well?

>>5033824
>plot intelligence enhancers
More like he stopped being fucking dense, which is different and
>sudden revelations
was just revising his last games, which is something we've been doing countless times.

>>5033830
>Denial because can't solve it.

ShKanontrice + fiction is true.
You guys can continue to argue all you want but just remember that the truth have been found a long time ago.

Battler also has solved the epitaph. Unless we're all fluent in Japanese we can't do the same thing. There are too many stupid puns and word puzzles in the epitaph for it to have any real meaning in languages other than Japanese.

>>5033846
Except that alone doesn't solve tons of riddles.

>>5033839
Even if you 'solve' it, you cannot confirm it.
So pointless.
Or even if it is an explanation and viable, it is just not what actually happened.
And this is not called 'denial'.

>>5033851
It solves everything, just try.
Anything, from the closed room to the meta-world.

>>5033848
b0mb

>>5033848
Ryukishi confirmed bomb is true in an interview recently when they asked him about the episode 6 tip.

>>5033861


Do you know where the gold is? Do you know what characters to take away from the inscription and what new word it forms?

H T + P : // á T . K i M M O à . $ E /

>>5033870
The gold is under Kinzo's bed.

>>5033870
In your heart.

>>5033860
>Number code
>Beatrice's bottled letters
>Hideyoshi's closed room murder in Ep1 and Ep5

>>5033870
The word it forms is LORDU (or Lord Ushiromiya) that's the childish part.

Where the gold is the part that only someone on the island can solve. Because you have to be on the island yourself to solve like 5% of the epitaph.

>>5033879
durr

>>5033885
>LORD U and anagram shit

Okay, Kinzo is he who must not be named.

>>5033885
R07 said that indeed you can't completely solve the Epitaph yet, but he said numerous people have already found out the location of the gold.

>>5033896
Ryukishi is bald, so he's Voldemort.

>>5033905
He said numerous people have "guessed" the true location of the gold.

>>5033896
You can only call him
>Father
>Grandfather
>Master

Only Nanjo, his holiness can call him Kinzo

>>5033912
So out of let's say a 1000 guesses, a few got it right.
Magnificent.

>>5033918
Like how Gaap calls Beato Riiche.

>>5033883
>>>Number code
The code to stop the bomb.
Eva who found the gold had the right to know it, she could have stopped everything.

>>Beatrice's bottled letters
Written by Beatrice aka ShKanontrice after the whole incident, she survived and went even crazier out of guilt when she realized that there was no magic and that was she did was irreparable.
The letters are about the incident that she recreate in her mind again and again, it's an endless torture for her.

>>Hideyoshi's closed room murder in Ep1 and Ep5
Ep1: Easy, remember that Kanon aka the culprit is the one who "broke" the chain.
It's a fake closed room, it wasn't closed to begin with.

Ep5: It was an act

>>5033934
Bank accounts for everyone?

>Ep5: It was an act
Except 1st twilight victims was actually killed.

>>5033976
Objection.
After George's death, his corpse was never moved!
After Jessica's death, her corpse was never moved!
After Maria's death, her corpse was never moved!

They were killed, but not at that time, the supposed first twilight.

>>5033934
STAY FROSTY MIKE, SHKANON DO EVERYTHING.

>>5033934
Didn't the police say that the bottled letters were sent out before the incident occurred?

>>5033934
>The code to stop the bomb.
>Eva who found the gold had the right to know it, she could have stopped everything.
It didn't appear in EP5 when Battler found it. And no one knew Eva found the gold in EP3 besides Rosa

>Written by Beatrice aka ShKanontrice after the whole incident, she survived and went even crazier out of guilt when she realized that there was no magic and that was she did was irreparable.
>The letters are about the incident that she recreate in her mind again and again, it's an endless torture for her.

It makes no sense from what is being done to the letters....(tossed into the ocean, make several variations of the letters, ask reader to find the truth, called herself "Maria", and no one survives to the end)

>Ep1: Easy, remember that Kanon aka the culprit is the one who "broke" the chain.
It's a fake closed room, it wasn't closed to begin with.
>Ep5: It was an act

Can't remember much about this, but if the chain lock was fake, the chain would have fallen to the ground as soon as it was cut

>>5034034
>>It didn't appear in EP5 when Battler found it. And no one knew Eva found the gold in EP3 besides Rosa
We didn't see the last part of episode 5, the code was only given to Eva toward the end in episode 3.
And Rosa works with the culprit, see episode 2.

>>It makes no sense from what is being done to the letters....(tossed into the ocean, make several variations of the letters, ask reader to find the truth, called herself "Maria", and no one survives to the end)
Calling herself "Maria" may be out of guilt, or she may have created a new personality named Maria.
For the no one survive to the end, it's only true for the fiction that red truth was used for, see Eva who survive in episode 3.
For the rest, "Beatrice" just write these because she wants someone to find the truth about what she did.
She may not have freedom, something within her could stop her from giving the whole truth so she can only write about "what if" stories.

>>Can't remember much about this, but if the chain lock was fake, the chain would have fallen to the ground as soon as it was cut
Only Kanon and Genji were there when they cut the chain lock.
Do they seem trustable to you?

Fairly simple solution at this point, fellas.

If Shkanontrice is true, well, the servants and Jessica are also people to keep eyes on.

If Shkanon is not true, well, keep your eyes on Kumasawa in the very least. Shannon is one crazy bitch, I think we can safely say.

Beyond the Beatrice mythos, Kyrie and Rosa are doing stuff for C.R.E.A.M and REVENGE!

As for the Meta-world.... well, I don't quite think the ending will be as simple as a fiction end. The premise behind the fiction end is happiness in death, everyone goes to heaven cool beans Jessica can be with Shannon Battler with Shannon and George with Shannon at the same time because of the golden land. The issue, though, is that episode 4 showed us that magic and the golden land are, in the end, ultimately harmful concepts. Maria can be with Rosa, but not truly. I'm thinking they'll be a BIT nicer to the characters than something like that!

Why do you guys even debate this anymore?

It's already been proven that the last red text is about Erika.

>>5034076
>>I'm thinking they'll be a BIT nicer to the characters than something like that!

An ending that would be "simple" would be a META-WORLD IS TRUE, BATTLER SAVES SAVE EVERYONE, EVERYONE IS HAPPY.

Fiction end isn't "simple", it does follow every fucking themes Umineko has been going for since the beginning though.

>>5034089
>>It's already been proven that the last red text is about Erika.
By retards from animesuki/gamefags?

It's not about her, there is nothing to debate there.

I CLAIM THIS THREAD IN THE NAME OF BARA

>>5034096

No, by the game itself.

We're you around the last few days? There's a translation of the last part of Episode 6 going around. Erika says that "She can finally accept the truth about herself" and immediately after that, it says both Beato and Erika know each others trump cards.

It outright SAYS it's referring to Erika.

>>5034117

「私は、
……真実の魔女、古戸ヱリカ……。……真実の魔女とは、……真実に堪える


魔女、………です。……私はようや く、
…… 自分の本当の真実を、……受け入れられそうなんです………。」

"I am...
...the Witch of Truth, Furudo Erika.... ...The Witch of Truth is... a witch who can stand up to... the truth. I think I can finally...
...accept the real truth... about myself...."

ヱリカとベアトたち双方は、何も宣言し合わず、静かに真実の弾丸を装填す


る。
　 ……銃口に詰める真実の色は、双方、赤…。
　双方は何も言葉を交わさずとも、……互いが何を切り札にするか、@理解
しているというのか… …。

Erika and Beato said nothing to each other, silently loading bullets of truth.
...The truths they packed into the muzzles of their guns were both... red....
Did this mean that even though they hadn't exchanged words at all, ...they each knew what the other's trump card was...?

>>5034094
Fiction End is rather simple in regards to the characters, their struggles, their developments, etc. If the end of Umineko is THEY ALL GO TO HEAVEN, well, that's fairly lame. Rosa and Maria will never actually be a functional family, ditto for Kyrie and Rudolf's issues, and Jessica and George will never truly know the truth about their lovers. It's shallow wish fulfillment, and stupid, in the end.

The strength of Umineko, first and foremost, is the characters and the issues they have. To resolve their issues as simplistically as having them all ascend to Nirvana or whatever at the end is to reject that strength.

>>5033696
Spoiler?

>>5034117
>>5034121

So Shkanontrice even having a bit of credence was something made up by retards trying to guess things off spoilers?

Thought as much.

>>5034121
There is nothing there about the fact that the red truth refers to Erika.

Once again you guys are fucking retarded going with easy interpretations and correlations that fit your delusion.

Here is my interpretation.
Erika realized that everything was only a fiction, the real Erika died 12 years ago.
This Erika is nothing more than a literal Mary Sue created to bring the truth.

She realized this, she also realized the truth about the world and the existence of Beatrice, that's why she states proudly as she is the witch of truth.
A "witch" in this world symbolize a strong emotion, Erika symbolized the need to bring out the truth, therefore she really was a witch by the rules of this world.


But Erika really existed in episode 5 and 6, in these worlds that are nothing more than fictions.
The red texts are very clear, you can't go around it.

>>5034140
Shannontrice is very likely, at any rate.

It is rather hilarious, though. Shkanontrice now has less going for it than Moon-chan.

>>5034069
>We didn't see the last part of episode 5, the code was only given to Eva toward the end in episode 3.
>And Rosa works with the culprit, see episode 2.
Proof? And while you are at it, tell me about the how this number is also the bank account code

>Calling herself "Maria" may be out of guilt, or she may have created a new personality named Maria.
So Shmarkanontrice now?
>For the no one survive to the end, it's only true for the fiction that red truth was used for, see Eva who survive in episode 3.
If you claim Shkannontrice to be the murderer, she killed Natsuhi right before the clock hits 24:00, the time when the bomb goes off
>For the rest, "Beatrice" just write these because she wants someone to find the truth about what she did.
If she wants people to find out what she did, she wouldn't use the bottled letter method (very unreliable method), and it's completely different than what you were saying...
>She may not have freedom, something within her could stop her from giving the whole truth so she can only write about "what if" stories.
lol what? "Maria" right? And it's not "what if" stories, she claimed both to be the truth

>Only Kanon and Genji were there when they cut the chain lock.
>Do they seem trustable to you?
So now you are saying Genji is also in this?

and about
>EP5 was an act
what are you trying to say?
Hideyoshi pretended to die?

>>5034160
>Once again you guys are fucking retarded going with easy interpretations and correlations that fit your delusion.

So why then, are you doing the same thing yourself?

Stop twisting shit. Erika explicitly says 'truth about myself'. The red text denies her, and causes her to lose.

WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN IF IT'S A HUGE HINT IN HER FAVOR?

This would be like Battler losing after Beatrice revealed Kinzo was dead, if she lost because it had anything at all to do with Shkanontrice.

Stop twisting the meaning of reds around for your own convenience.

>>5034164
>>Shkanontrice now has less going for it than Moon-chan.
Only retards believe that.
Unfortunally, the Umineko fanbase is full of idiots.

"Moon-chan" have pretty much nothing going on for it except for the simple SHE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT SHKANON.
So its very existence lies in ShKanon(trice), without it THIS THEORY HAS NOTHING, especially considering the fact that Jessica has the tendency of always having a fucking strong alibi.

>>5034164
Because people hated the switch button Shkanontrice has.

>>5034183
The red text doesn't deny her.
Red text can't deny someone like this, a being like Erika can only be destroyed by a logical error, which make sense.

Now let's go over the red text used in episode 5 and 6.
Episode 5:
Erika increase the head count by 1 person.

You CAN'T go over this, in any way. It's very clear.

Episode 6:
Erika has HER OWN BODY AND NAME.
NAME ONLY REFER TO THE PERSON THEMSELVES.

Once again you can't go over these.
Erika existed, if you think she didn't then destroy these red texts.

>>5034204

"Erika" refers to either Erika's corpse or Meta-Erika, the player.

>>5034160
First off, you mad, and second off, lolno. She said the truth about herself specifically, boss-man. That's why she loads her gun with her red truth immediately afterwards. It's not a non sequiter, sir.

And I LOVE how now the shoe is on the other foot you Shkanontricefags drop the whole LOL THIS EPISODE IS JUST CONFESSIONS WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU get, in favor of trying(and failing quite hilarious) to get us to think we're not being DEEP enough.

Shkanontrice has always been so full of shit in such a ridiculous manner. Yes, Shannon can be Beatrice, or even Kanon, that's fine. But spending three years on the island and NO ONE noticing them? Yeah, sure, buddy. THAT makes sense. Hell, it was so ridiculous to the point where you had to give a convoluted explanation for Erika's "detective scene" in order to explain Shannon and Kanon being in the same room. But now that we actually have a snippet of what happened, well, it all falls down.

>>5034185
Her truth relies on a theory mostly accpeted, called Shkanon, not on Shkanontrice, please don't mix both because they don't have anything in common.

>>5034210
>>"Erika" refers to either Erika's corpse or Meta-Erika, the player.

"Erika repaired the chain lock."
"Erika "sealed" the room "

Etc... I would like to see a corpse do this.
Also, the red text NEVER refer to the meta characters in any ways.
Erika's name is constantly stated.

>>5034218
if by mostly accepted you mean by about half the fanbase, and increasingly less as Ep. 6 is given translation and actual context

>>5034204
>Erika increase the head count by 1 person.
>You CAN'T go over this, in any way. It's very clear.

You don't have to. It doesn't deny Erika doesn't exist. Erika as a piece may increase the number of humans, but that doesn't mean she exists for real. It would be like an imaginary piece in chess that isn't physical.

>Erika has HER OWN BODY AND NAME.
>NAME ONLY REFER TO THE PERSON THEMSELVES.

Fantasy beings have been referred to in red before. There is very, very much precedence for all of this.

>>5034227
I don't like it either, but I really think it's likely.
Also /jp/=/=umineko's total fanbase

>>5034226
"Erika" is a title given to the piece Bernkastel chooses!

>>5034212
>>
First off, you mad, and second off, lolno. She said the truth about herself specifically, boss-man. That's why she loads her gun with her red truth immediately afterwards. It's not a non sequiter, sir.

The truth about herself is that she is nothing more than the personification of someone who died in an accident near Rokkenjima 12 years ago.
Nothing more, that's why you have access to this information immediately after that in the status screen.

And once again, you can't go against the rest text that states that Erika was there in episode 5 and 6.

>>5034226
>Also, the red text NEVER refer to the meta characters in any ways.

># Beato wanted me to solve it, so she made the riddles of this game solvable

>>5034227
I actually was a rather big Moon-chan supporter myself, but now that Shkanon is looking unlikely, well, I see no need for it. Jessica doesn't NEED to be an "inside man" to cover up the fact that Kanon and Shannon are two different people, they are!

Though, she still does have her moments. If she knows Kinzo is dead, well, that would be a rather big warning sign, given episode 4's events.

>>5034230
>>Fantasy beings have been referred to in red before. There is very, very much precedence for all of this.


Nope, never.

>>You don't have to. It doesn't deny Erika doesn't exist. Erika as a piece may increase the number of humans, but that doesn't mean she exists for real. It would be like an imaginary piece in chess that isn't physical.

That's fucking stupid and goes against the very foundation of the red text itself.

>>5034234

Outside of /jp/, the western fanbase consists of the fanfic lesbians over at Animesuki and people who have only seen the manga.

>>5034248
Jessica doesn't even have to be a troll if she's being ordered around or held hostage by "Beatrice" in Ep. 4

>>5034254

*anime, durr

>>5034250

># Beato wanted me to solve it, so she made the riddles of this game solvable

>>5034246
That's not a red text about the gameboard, it's about the meta-world.
There is clearly a difference between the 2.
In the gameboard, fantasy characters are never stated in red.

>>5034248
I just don't want another Mion, a character competely innocent that hasn't done nothing at all.
I mean, Jessica's characterization is severely lacking, even compared to George. Her being just that would leave her character in nothing at all.

>>5034241
>The truth about herself is that she is nothing more than the personification of someone who died in an accident near Rokkenjima 12 years ago.
That's the truth about all the pieces, idiot. That's nothing special in the slightest.
>Nothing more, that's why you have access to this information immediately after that in the status screen.
It's a non-sequiter. I REALIZED THE TRUTH ABOUT MYSELF, BEATRICE. OH BY THE WAY HERE'S A RED TEXT BULLET THAT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT SHKANON.

>And once again, you can't go against the rest text that states that Erika was there in episode 5 and 6.
I absolutely can!. There's red text saying Beatrice killed people, but obviously witches don't exist. Erika could, quite easily, refer to a concept of some sort.

>>5034261
#
# Ushiromiya Battler. I will now...kill you.

Beato isn't alive on the board. But she can kill Battler. >_>

>>5034267
There is never any red text about Beatrice killing anyone, look harder.

And once again correlation =/= fact.
Erika's existence can't be denied in episode 5 and 6, every statements you guys made go against everything R07 has established about the red text and the gameboard itself.

>>5034261

># I will not allow a hidden door to exist in this ROOM.

Dlanor was on the board at the time.

What now?

>>5034281
>Erika's existence can't be denied in episode 5 and 6, every statements you guys made go against everything R07 has established about the red text and the gameboard itself.

No, yours do.

>>5034281
>>5034275
>>5034260

>>5034265
Don't count Jessica out because of her resemblance to Mion. Mion is a bro. So, as for Jessica.... She's a big damn hero if she's innocent. And if not, well, she's a rather good troll. As for people's theories of a hostage scenario in episode 4, I'd be wary of that. If she knows about Kinzo being dead. After all, from the very beginning, she gets so angry at "Kinzo" it's absurd. So that, in the very least, shows she's one hell of a good actress.


But that's neither here nor there. It's never said that red text had to refer to people when it mentioned names. Fuck, think about it, Beatrice's red text in episode 4, Beatrice is a bomb, broskis. That's more than enough to show that you can be referenced in red as a name and not be a person.

>>5034275
A bomb can kill someone.
The bomb is part of the bomb.

But you know what a bomb or an object can't do?

"Erika repaired the chain lock."
"Erika "sealed" the room "
"Erika increased the head count"
"Erika has her own body and name"
Or she is a robot.

>>5034275
You don't need to be alive to kill someone, by using a time delayed weapon such as a bomb

>>5034293
You know what a bomb can't do? Make riddles that are solvable.

>>5034283
Dlanor symbolizes the rules of Knox.
Episode 5 and 6 were written following these rules.
So yeah she doesn't allow it, it's not about her existing.

>>5034306
Erika symbolizes the Mystery side and Bernkastel's piece. It's not about her existing.

Keiichi would start killing people then get killed himself sometime within two days.

Battler would die sometime between 2 or 3 weeks to a couple years.

If both of them were literally dimension swapped right out of their home in Hinamizawa/plane to Rokkenjima: Keiichi, is suspected to be the killer and goes batshit. That's if the murders even happen. Even if the murders don't happen Keiichi will go batshit by himself and have s showdown with the culprit. Battler would think this is some trick or dream and try to go on living normally except Hinamizawa citizens are literally all going 'What the fuck?' and then decide to lynch Battler up to Oyashiro-sama.

>>5034291
>>Beatrice's red text in episode 4, Beatrice is a bomb, broskis. That's more than enough to show that you can be referenced in red as a name and not be a person.

Beatrice doesn't have to symbolize the bomb.
Beatrice symbolized simply the person who fucking triggered the bomb.
And she didn't use her name, simply "I".
Beatrice as a name was never used for the gameboard of the 2 days, only to reveal that one person named Beatrice died in the past.

>>5034306

So now you're using the same argument we are, and STILL trying to deny our argument?

What a hypocrite.

>>5034293
Erika could and most likely does refer to the concept of mysteries in general. Remember, Erika has always been sub--human. Staying awake for hours upon end with her ears against the wall? Being a ninja and sealing every door? Such a person is ridiculous, and most likely refers to a concept instead. Such as a mystery novel, where a personification of a concept can do these things.

>>5034316

So the bomb is saying red text?

Jesus fuck, you're an idiot.

>>5034310
Except that, once again:
"Erika repaired the chain lock."
"Erika "sealed" the room "
"Erika increased the head count"
"Erika has her own body and name"

If you can't see the difference between the statements about Erika and the one about Dlanor, then excuse me but you have the reading comprehension of a 3 years old.

wtf is going on in here

>>5034324

See, the reason why Erika can't exist is EXACTLY THAT. Erika as the 18th Person doesn't make sense. Rokkenjima is a closed circle, for a new person to show up and be a person doesn't make thematical sense.

However, Episode 5 especially was about the fact that mystery can lie just as much as fantasy. Erika is this personification.

>>5034328
No, fucking retard.
Beatrice symbolized simply the person who triggered the bomb.
That's why she used "I".
She couldn't say Beatrice because Beatrice in the gameboard really doesn't exist in a form who could be stated by the red text.

Fuck, is it so hard to understand?

>>5034331
Erika's corpse washed up on the island. She was alive initially but died immediately upon arriving. Nanjo carried her corpse around to check it and stuff.

Or, Erika is the title given to the piece Bern chooses.

>>5034315
>lynch Battler up to Oyashiro-sama.
Don't you mean they make CANNED MEAT out of him.

>>5034331

Erika probably doesn't exist. There's a lot of strange things regarding Erika's presence on the board and she frequently dodges them.

>>5034350
Erika has her own body and name, and names only refer to the person themselves
Erika can't be a title.

And lots of people died before the final red text of episode 6, they were obviously not excluded.

>>5034333
Thread about who is better, Battler or K1....that turned into shit when "Shkanontrice" was mentioned

>>5034354
Erika is a literal Mary Sue, she really never appeared in Rokkenjima but she really did exist in the fictions of episode 5 and 6.

>>5034343

Yet again, it's the same thing.

If Beatrice and Dlanor can refer to their pieces on the board as concepts, what exactly is stopping other people from doing the same thing?

How would they say that? "I"? No! They'd use "Beatrice" and "Dlanor"!

Even if they are a concept, they can refer to the concept by name. They've referred to themselves as "I" before, so they clearly have a personification. Why can't those personifications have names?

Your whole argument is based on things that were never stated and your own assumptions, while we keep using evidence to prove it's possible.

>>5034369
It was proven in Episode 5 you can call something that isn't a corpse a corpse. It's the same principle. "Erika" does indeed only refer to the individual person, Erika. But this doesn't mean that Erika is Erika Furudo, the blue-haired girl that washed up from a pleasure boat. Kanon is a title, Shannon is a title, but they can still be called that.

>>5034343
>Person who triggered the bomb
I will kill you, sir. Not I have killed you, I will.
It's the present tense. The "I" refers to the bomb, not to the person who detonated it. Seriously, I love how you boast of how Shkanontrice is so heavily foreshadowed, and yet turn on half the game in order to defend it.

And yet again, I must bring up the non-sequiter.

Erika says "I realized the truth about myself, and have to face it", and then loads her gun.

Truth about HERSELF, not about the MYSTERY IN GENERAL. The statement makes no fucking sense if it's not tied in in the slightest with her next action.

>>5034369
>>How would they say that? "I"? No! They'd use "Beatrice" and "Dlanor"!
Yeah, that's exactly it.

Don't you think it's strange that Erika's name is constantly stated in red?

Beatrice's statement at the end of episode 4 could simply mean that someone triggered a bomb who then killed Battler.
And that someone is symbolized by Beatrice in the meta-world.
And Dlanor's statement simply means that the rules of Knox wouldn't allow the use of such hidden rooms.

it's COMPLETELY different from Erika's case.
Erika act directly in the gameboard, it's fucking stated again and again in red along with her name.

Why the fuck can't you see such an obvious difference? Are you that deluded?

>>5034393
George-tachi's corpses are called "corpses" in Episode 5. IN RED. Were they dead? Nope. But the gameboard showed them as such, so that could be said.

>>5034359
o thanks, figures

>>5034393
>Why the fuck can't you see such an obvious difference? Are you that deluded?

Are YOU that deluded? How can you not see there isn't a difference, at all?

>>5034387
>>It was proven in Episode 5 you can call something that isn't a corpse a corpse
Not in red, you can't do that.
It's funny how you can misunderstand something so simple, go read that scene again.

And, once again, Erika has her OWN BODY AND NAME, NAME ONLY REFERS TO THE PERSON THEMSELVES.
Additionally ERIKA ISN'T BATTLER OR KANON, THE OTHER PERSONS WHO WERE IN THE ISLAND WERE STATED IN RED TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Look, read this thing carefully and think a little for once.

Have a 'soothing' background image whilst you fight over Erika's existance, ihihihihi.

>>5034398
>>George-tachi's corpses are called "corpses" in Episode 5. IN RED. Were they dead? Nope. But the gameboard showed them as such, so that could be said.

The time was never stated.
It's a simple trick they weren't dead when they were shown but they died later, so the red text didn't lie.

>>5034411
okay, fine, I did misread that line. It's been a while.


but still, Erika can have her own body and name, she's just one of the other 16 people on the island who isn't Battler or Kanon. Or her corpse.

>>5034389
>>I will kill you, sir. Not I have killed you, I will.
English, and Japanese, don't work that way.

>>5034411
>And, once again, Erika has her OWN BODY AND NAME, NAME ONLY REFERS TO THE PERSON THEMSELVES.

Yes, Erika certainly does have a body. A non-existent, made up one, but it is her own body.

>Additionally ERIKA ISN'T BATTLER OR KANON, THE OTHER PERSONS WHO WERE IN THE ISLAND WERE STATED IN RED TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

And what's your point?

>Look, read this thing carefully and think a little for once.

Why don't you? You're probably the most retarded Shkanontrice supporter I've ever seen.

>>5034424
>>Erika can have her own body and name, she's just one of the other 16 people on the island who isn't Battler or Kanon
No she can't.
For one "the names only refer to the persons themselves" destroy this theory.
Then there is the fact that it's clearly stated that the other people were stuck somewhere else.

>>5034429
>>Yes, Erika certainly does have a body. A non-existent, made up one, but it is her own body.

Are you even trying anymore?
Seriously?
Do you even know how the red text work?

>>5034439
She has a corpse.

Also a fun little fact tons of people seem to forget:

There was a blue text seal on the window of the neighboring room. No theory could use the window of that room.

Therefore Shannon couldn't have gotten out and the Shkanon theory fails.


Which also means that Beatrice didn't use that theory. Which, conversely, means that another theory exists and it works.

>>5034389
"triggered" the bomb as in letting the countdown begin
what he said didn't contradict anything

Heheheh, the Shkanontrice dude is mad. He's cursed literally 56 times, and use the word retarded about 17 times. He also fails to explain the non-sequiter issue at the end, too. As if pointing out marginal differences between names confirms Erika's existance!

Let's be quite fair, here, Rage-kun.

Your theory's ENTIRE PREMISE relies on the fact that a "PERSON" can die, without really being a person, or leaving behind a body.

Which is to say, you believe that Kanon can be his own person, be referred to in red, and not actually have a body. But take that concept, and apply it to Erika? RAGH ERIKA HAS TO EXIST SHE'S REFERRED TO AS DOING THINGS IN RED!1

You silly hypocrite!

>>5034439
>Are you even trying anymore?
>Seriously?
>Do you even know how the red text work?

Your the one that keeps arguing you can't refer to meta-beings when we keep showing you evidence you can.

Maybe you should go re-read the series and pay more attention to the red text rules.

>>5034442
A corpse who can seal doors, enter rooms, repair locks.

New theory!!! ERIKA IS A ZOMBIE

You Shkanonfags are sure gonna feel stupid when the answer is revealed.

Erika refers to Meta-Erika, controlling a piece, and they repaired the locks.

>>5034447
This. Sure is double-standards in here...

>>5034449
>>Which is to say, you believe that Kanon can be his own person, be referred to in red, and not actually have a body. But take that concept, and apply it to Erika? RAGH ERIKA HAS TO EXIST SHE'S REFERRED TO AS DOING THINGS IN RED!1

There is no hypocrisy there.

First, there is the fact that there should be some explanation for Erika existing as a "title".
It's explicitly stated that Erika didn't exist prior to episode 5.

If we talk about the gameboard, Kanon and Shannon both exist separately, they are both regarded as 2 different people, they exist as 2 different pieces, this is true even if they are the same person.

Now Erika is stated to not exist before episode 5.
She is stated to have her own corpse and name, she also increases the head count by 1.
Then it's stated that names only refer to the persons themselves

So how could Erika exist if she isn't her own person?
Your theory of a "title", then someone on the island should have DID with a personality named Erika.
But it's STATED that Erika didn't exist prior to episode 5.
Then that person should have created a new personality only for 2 episodes?
HOW? WHY? HOW DOES IT WORK? HOW CAN IT HAPPEN? IS IT EVEN LOGICAL?

Seriously, think a little.

>>5034487
Bernkastel hadn't chosen a piece until Episode 5.

>>5034490
Sorry to be blunt but that's meta-world bullshit.

How does it work in the fucking gameboard?
Did someone really spontaneously have DID and create a new personality just for episode 5 and 6?
Sure is great writing there, and that's while ignoring the fact that Erika is stated to do things and go to place in red where no one else could be at that time.

>>5034503

No, because Erika doesn't exist in the game, not even as DID.

She only represents Bernkastel's chosen piece.

>>5034487
I never said she was someone with DID. That's your bag of tricks, idiot, not mine. From the get go, according to your theory, a person can be something that isn't a person. So why can't this be the case with Erika? If Erika was a representation of fucktarded mystery cliches, the text involving her makes perfects sense.

And her having a corpse is as real as Kanon having a corpse, so what? A corpse doesn't make her a person, you know. Besides, when did Erika ever die?

In the end, though, you still haven't even touched upon the non-sequiter. Erika finds out and proclaims she's discovered the truth about herself, and then proceeds to fire a bullet of red truth related to something else entirely? I sincerely doubt that.

>>5034503

Who said anyone had to have DID for them to have two names that refer to the same person?

>>5034522
Except that, once again:
"Erika repaired the chain lock."
"Erika "sealed" the room "
"Erika increased the head count"
"Erika has her own body and name"
Etc...
Are you going ignoring the red text or something?

Erika is acting directly in the gameboard.

>>5034537

Are you going to selectively ignore parts of the argument?

Someone doesn't have to have DID to be referred to as Erika.

>>5034537
Erika washed up on Rokkenjima and immediately died. Raising the person count but then dying, resulting in 17 people. This title of "Erika" was passed on to one of the 17 chosen by Bern.

>>5034533
For them to have 2 names, they should have a reason to have them.
Red text only works with proofs.

For example Shannon and Kanon exists as 2 people on the island and are refered as such most likely because of the DID thing.
The fact that people really believe that they are 2 different persons, that they are probably officially recognized as 2 different persons, etc...

Now about Erika, you think someone on the island has some proofs who prove that they are also called Erika?
And that this was only created for episode 5 and 6.

Once again, don't forget about the red text and the way it works.

>>5034550
>>Erika washed up on Rokkenjima and immediately died. Raising the person count but then dying, resulting in 17 people. This title of "Erika" was passed on to one of the 17 chosen by Bern.

Once again, meta-world bullshit.

>>5034563
Players influence a game. If the players of the game: Bern, Battler, and Lambda acknowledge a piece as having said title, then it has that title. Beatrice denies this piece's existence with her red text.

>>5034563
Also let's not forget the NAMES ONLY REFER TO THE PERSONS THEMSELVES.

>>5034581
Dead people aren't people. Therefore, when Erika died, she lost the right to be referred to by that name and it could be passed along.

>>5034577
Meta-world bullshit, you are just giving in to the witches there.
The gameboard should be solvable without using any magical/meta shit like this.

There is a reason why Erika's name can constantly be stated in red.
You won't explain it by saying BERN DID IT.

>>5034563
>For them to have 2 names, they should have a reason to have them.

# I proclaim that Furudo Erika is the detective.

Bernkastel's piece is the detective, and therefore, Furudo Erika.

It can be anyone at all.

>Once again, meta-world bullshit.

Good job saying we all ignore part of the story when you are now blatantly doing it.

>>5034587

Without love, it cannot be seen. You can't selectively choose to ignore half the story for the sake of the mystery.

>>5034585
Doesn't work, otherwise you could do the same things with every people who died along the way in episode 6.
And you can't, Battler clearly states it.

>>5034593
Eh, it was worth a try. Shotgunning the blue'll always result in one or two misfires.

>>5034589
This. Honestly, this wins the argument right there. Furudo Erika can now be easily proclaimed as a title.

>>5034591
I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just letting things in their place.
Umineko has always been about solving the gameboard by using the red text and the clues presented.
The meta-world explain the nature of the story itself, it's not the same thing.

All the episodes are fictions, Erika never existed in Rokkenjima but she really did exist as a character in episode 5 and 6.
She was added by Bern.
But once again, that's just the meta way of things, the fictions themselves are self contained and logical upon themselves.
Therefore, they can be solved, and explained logically and without magic.

Even Erika can only exist there because her existence is "plausible" if unlikely.

>>5034623

You still haven't pulled out the stake of "Furudo Erika" being proclaimed as the detective's title.

To summarize:
Erika increase the head count
Erika has her own body and name.
Erika acts in a way only a "person" could do
Names only refer to the persons themselves.
Her presence is stated to be somewhere where no one else could be (episode 6).

Honestly I don't even know how you could keep arguing.

>>5034648

Sure is ignoring the argument around here.

>>5034648

lol, you haven't summarized anything. You've just repeated the same post over and over without actually denying or countering any arguments. "Furudo Erika is the detective's title" now has precedence. And you've completely ignored the "I realized...the truth about myself" bit. You don't have the right to keep asserting the same points if you can't address any of ours.

>>5034638
And what?
Detective is a "job" who was given to her by the "author" of the fictions.
It's a detective story after all, someone has to play that role.
The red text refer to the "logic" of these fictions, Erika became the detective, that's all.

Nothing there that even hint about her being a title or anything though, I don't even know why you bring it up.

Why are you guys making it so complicated
She existed until her existence was denied at the end of EP6.

...And she wasn't actually "denied" anyways, she stated something that isn't true in red, and simply received the consequences for it

>>5034670

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass.

AND it's hypocritical, too.

>>5034670

"I proclaim that Erika Furudo is the detective." Try looking at it again. It doesn't have to mean that "Erika Furudo = detective." It could mean "detective=Erika Furudo!" Therefore, the piece designated as the detective gains the title of Erika Furudo!

>>5034662
>>"Furudo Erika is the detective's title

Nice shot there completely changing the line.

>>"I realized...the truth about myself"
I stated what it was about in my very first post.
Erika realized she couldn't be saved because she didn't exist to begin with.

>>5034685
Actually, it just means the value at detective now equals Furudo Erika.

>>5034685
That's fucking stupid.
Seriously.
First the line can't be read that way, it destroy english and probably japanese as well throughly.

Then Erika being the title of the detective goes, once again, against lots of red text.
Like the fucking head count one.
Or the fact that ERika DIDN'T FUCKING EXIST BEFORE EPISODE 5.
But Battler WAS THE DETECTIVE IN EPISODE 1-4.

Fuck, please try a little harder.

>>5034705
Exactly. And that means that "detective" and "erika furudo" mean the same thing. For example, if Bern had chosen, say, Eva as the detective in Episode 5, Eva could be referred to as "Erika Furudo."

>>5034691

Hypocritical, round-about, and your argument makes no sense. She doesn't exist, but she does?

What?

I should expect no less from Shkanonfags.

>>5034728
The whole deal about Erika since the beginning was that she wanted to live, be saved, and that she would do anything for that.
She realized the truth of her existence at the end, that's all.

It's not even complicated.

>>5034721

"detective = Erika Furudo" wasn't declared until Episode 5. Therefore, it doesn't matter if Battler was detective in 1-4, at that time the two weren't the same thing.

>>5034740

And the truth of her existence is that she never existed in the first place.

Exactly. Why are you still arguing, when it's clear that the red text refers to her?

And you STILL haven't addressed the non-sequiter.

>>5034747
So they can arbitraly decide such thing just because.
Red text is factual, it's not something that can be molded like this.

If, and I take a fucking huge leap because it's fucking retarded, Erika really means Detective.
Then it has to be consistent, or it destroy everything the red text was going for.

Therefore Battler had to be Erika aka the detective in episode 1-4.
But it's clearly stated that Erika didn't exist prior to episode 5.

>>5034780
Red text has proven to be time-sensitive time and again.

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>>5034767
There is no "non-sequiter", you guys are just doing an easy correlation because you are lazy.

And I'm arguing because you guys are fucking retarded and I feel like showing that the entire fanbase of Umineko isn't composed of retards such as yourself.

You guys are focusing on something on something that isn't even a proof while ignoring everything else.

>>5034793
Not for something like this.
Red text has also proven to be very consistent.

>>5034810
That's funny coming from a Shkanontrice supporter.

>>5034815
lol, now you're pretending there's rules that aren't there. Knox's 8th on that one. There's plenty of red text that's only able to be proclaimed based on what's going on at the time, or when it was said. That's basically the case with EVERY red text.

Erika was the detective, because Bern was the player, and Erika was her piece.

simple as that.

>>5034780
>So they can arbitraly decide such thing just because.

Because they're the players, they run the game.

inb4'metaworldbullshit' and you ignoring the story again, because the story blatantly says they decide how the games played.

>Red text is factual, it's not something that can be molded like this.

It's a fact if they can say it in red.

>If, and I take a fucking huge leap because it's fucking retarded, Erika really means Detective.
>Then it has to be consistent, or it destroy everything the red text was going for.

>Therefore Battler had to be Erika aka the detective in episode 1-4.
>But it's clearly stated that Erika didn't exist prior to episode 5.

Right. Battler isn't Erika, because she didn't exist prior to Episode 5. It's stated RIGHT THERE. Red text is time sensitive, and it's been proven many, many times.

>>5034832
Once again, not for something like this.
The red text is factual.
If a term is used, the term has to be consistent and "true".

Detective can't become a title named "Erika" spontaneously just for episode 5 and 6.
The red text doesn't allow this.
A term is a term, a word is a word.
Show me some proof that Erika could become a word used to mean "detective", something that is so true that it can be used in fucking red.

>>5034810
>There is no "non-sequiter", you guys are just doing an easy correlation because you are lazy.

"I realized the truth about myself. Now I'll give a red truth that's not about myself."

That is the very definition of a non-sequiter.

>And I'm arguing because you guys are fucking retarded and I feel like showing that the entire fanbase of Umineko isn't composed of retards such as yourself.

>You guys are focusing on something on something that isn't even a proof while ignoring everything else.

That's REALLY funny considering you're the one spouting the theory that blatantly ignores the story, destroys character development, and makes no logistical sense.

>>5034870
"I proclaim"

Therefore, "Erika Furudo" WAS indeed spontaneously proclaimed to = detective at that time. Bernkastel changed the definition using red text on her whim. Time sensitive red applies.

>>5034850
Your whole post is basically A WITCH DID IT.
Let's not explain anything, everything happen because the witches run the game after all.

Do you realize how fucking stuck you guys are?
Or how stupid the whole detective = Erika as words is?

>>5034870
>A term is a term, a word is a word.

So why are you supporting Shkanontrice then?

Are you just being stupid to troll people, or are you really just that dumb that you don't even realize you keep contradicting your own stance?

>>5034896

I've never admitted that a witch did anything on the gameboard. But they are still playing the game, and the meta-world still exists. Half of the story is completely inconsequential if it does not exist.

>>5034897
I'm not.
In the definition of the word, personalities and "persons" can be used to refer to something caused by DID.

I doubt you'd see ERIKA written in the definition of detective though.

>>5034896
Players of a game are allowed to change things in a game. Whether or not Erika = Detective is true or not, it doesn't affect the core mystery at all. It's something the player decided to use as a name, just because they felt like it.

>>5034909
That's what your whole post was about though.

Once again, the gameboard is logical and consistent upon itself, everything in it can be explained by using clues and the red text used during it.

>>5034929
If "Erika" means "detective" for the players, this doesn't change anything about the gameboard at all. It's in the same realm as "Beato made these riddles for you to solve."

>>5034896
Uh... no.. It's a fact that the game master and the players control pieces on the board. So when Beatrice was game master she controlled the Beatrice peice. She also set up the game so things would happen in a way that was interesting to Battler. It's not A WITCH DID IT. It's just a fact that there are PLAYERS controlling their GUYS on a GAMEBOARD.

>>5034919
Yeah but a game has RULE, Umineko definitely has.
And the rules clearly shows that the players can't mold the red text.
See what happen to Beatrice, or Erika.

The red text is basically what make everything consistent and logical, having someone who can change something in it would be cheating.
And the whole "love between the author and readers" theme clearly show it won't happen.

>>5034912

Except not. It very clearly says in the last red text there are only 17 people on the island. Not the kanji for 'human' (the thing you Shkanontrice fags keep saying refers to bodies) as you might expect. People. Persons.

Where, exactly, do the other personalities go? Do they just 'magically' fly away and disappear?

No DID exists by your own wording theory.

Either stop being an idiot and contradicting yourself or stop arguing. You're making yourself look stupider with no grasp of the series or either language it's in every post you make.

>>5034957
Even the Japaneses agree that the red text with the 18/17 could be used for the the whole ShKanon thing.
http://schiphol.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameama/1272897290/

See this, it's in the fucking QA even.
I think they would know Japanese better than you.

>>5034957

ξ(`・３・)赤字は真実しか語れないならラストのセリフおかしくね？
Ａ.ヱリカは金蔵と同じくゲーム最初から「死体」として島にいるため、18人
目の来訪者だが、現在の島の人数には数えない説、
ヱリカは人格の数を「１８」としたが、紗音と嘉音が同一人物なので肉体の
数は「１７」で、どちらも間違いではない説などがあります。

>>5034984

Japanese people aren't immune to being wrong. They don't exist on a higher plane than you or me.

>>5035006
In term of reading Japanese, I'd trust them better than you, no offense.

>>5035015

Yes, they speak Japanese better than me. That doesn't mean I don't fully understand the wordplay they're using to say that it's POSSIBLE for Shannon to be Kanon. However, this doesn't mean it's fact or even likely.

>>5035044
Well at least you backed off a little, that's a good start.

It's a question of possibility after all.
Your whole point was that the wordplays made it impossible for ShKanon to be true or whatever so now Erika nonexistence was the only option.

Now you just admitted that it really could refers to ShKanon.
Even if you think it's not true, it's POSSIBLE after all.
Now tell me, what was the whole argument about again?
If the red text can refer to ShKanon, the Erika exists.
So no need for farfetched theories like DETECTIVE = ERIKA or whatever, right?

>>5035104

Knox's 9th.

Until it's proven definitively, one way or another, I can't completely say that Shkanon is not true. That's the way Rokkenjima is. However. That doesn't mean I can't say that my theory is equally valid. Furthermore, I reject Shkanon because it lacks love. Simply by being true, it ruins half the cast's personalities for the sake of the mystery. Such a theory is not in the story's nature. "Erika doesn't exist" completely fits with the story's nature and leaves all the characters intact and whole. That's why I'll defend my truth to the bitter end.

>>5035131
Yeah, do whatever you want, it's your right.
I'd like if you don't go SHKANON ISN'T POSSIBLE BECAUSE EPISODE 6 in the future though.
Even if you don't like it, just admit that i's possible and leave it.

Anyways I'm out.

>>5035148
Read it again! I never said "Shkanon is impossible." I only said that it's unlikely and ruins personalities.

>>5035148

I, however, still say Shkanon is impossible.

Even if the red text (and that's a BIG if because I don't see it), there's myriad evidence against Shkanon being true.

Both the Shkanon people and the Ghost Erika people are probably missing something critical. Lambda seems to be under the impression that there's a hidden element at the heart of the game that Bern will certainly never figure out, no matter how many theories she makes. Wouldn't that pretty much have to be something supernatural to avoid Bern brute forcing her way to it?

>>5035240
No it doesn't have to be something super natural, but it would have to be something with a lot of noise. Bern's affinity uses trial and error to figure things out her Miracles are a lot like Kinzo's. (read the tarot card scene in episode 3)

There are a lot of theories going around lately about teams and factions in Umineko. Like team Beatrice, Team fake deaths, Team Kinzo, Team epitaph, team rescue etc.

One possibility is that the factions change every time or that they have different leader every time and chose different members. Kind of like school sports.

Lambda can just cut through the maze of rule Z though so odds are Bern and Lambda became allies in Chiru. I don't think their affinities are as bad as Lambda makes it look.