/jp/ - Otaku Culture

toohoo is easy, play ikaruga.

I'm pretty good. All those younger years I spent playing 2d side scrollers on my Sega Saturn.

I'm really good at it.

Being good at touhou is completely useless. Don't waste your time.

Perfect Casual Blossom

I suck at them, but I thoroughly enjoy sucking at them.

epic /b/ meme guy is epic happy lmao

Touhou isn't even that hard for a SCHMUP.

>>5016849

But it is so addicting

I found myself in exactly that situation, as I defeated Yuyu

i can 1cc all games. but i use infinite lives cheat and in the end i'm like 50 lives down, so it doesn't count.

The resurrection pattern is easy if you know what it is.

I also love sucking Yukari cock

Yeah, I suck too.

Resurrection Butterfly would be easier if it wasn't for that monstrosity right before it that leaves me with no lives, maybe a bomb. I twitch under the preasure every time and die.

>>5016843
>ikaruga

Or Blast Wind
or Batsugun
or Silhouette Mirage
or Bangai-O
or Gunbird
Or Strikers 1945 I & II
or Sengoku Ace/Blade
or Radiant Silvergun
or Stellar Assault (wait.........)
or Cotton
etc

>>5016896

I guess that is the problem when you get there for the first time

I do, but it's fun.

All extras, all hards save fucking UFO, PCB/MoF lunatic.

IN lunatic run coming after otome function

I suck at it, but I like to fap to those lolis

>>5016946
Oddly enough, despite playing the games extensively I cannot fap to Touhous.

>>5016837
problem?

>>5016987
I couldn't either, but eventually, the way it felt wrong to fap to them just made it even hotter I broke. Well that combined with the infinite Touhou hentai everywhere.

I used to have no problem on EoSD/PCB-style games.
But for some reason MoF and up kick my ass every fucking time.

>>5016837
First time I saw that spell card I read it as whatever% Deflowering.

I would fap but only if ZUN drew them.

>>5017217
There has to be a Yuyuko H-doujin called 100% Deflowering. There fucking has to be or I give up on this world.

>>5016849

Being alive is completely useless. Don't waste your time.

I play Touhou with infinite lifes because I don't like to have to start all over again nor to be stuck on a boss. Probably someone is against cheating but this way I finish games earlier; I play for fun, not for challenge.

Games devourer anyone?

I just beat UFO
<spoiler on easy ;_; </spoiler>

>>5017217
*notices big red bullet sprays*

RAAAAAAAAAGEs

>>5017266
Look, life has been going along fine until now but I SWEAR TO GOD if there is NOT THIS MANGA I will FUCKING END this world.

>>5017422
Calm down, I'm sure it exists. Its too obvious a joke for it not to.

>>5017441
There's probably not many works involving Yuyuko getting deflowered though.

I can't find anything. See y'all in Gensokyo, bros.

80% Reflowering only appears on Lunatic, you'd be well aware of what's coming by then.

I'm pretty competent at bullet hell games, but I ironically have more trouble with shmups that don't focus on bullet patterns.

>>5017422

What if there is a manga entitled "100% Deflowering," but it's terrible?

>>5017483
He never fires the gun

Your head simply explodes at your disdain

>>5017587
All I care about is the joke. Most hentai is crap anyway.

Currently in the process of 1cc'ing each game on Normal with each character. Started in December with EoSD and just did MoF. It was my quickest run (took 4 days).

I don't think I'm particularly good at bullet-hell, but I can't see how some people say they can't 1cc any of them.

>>5016837
I am with you OP

>>5016865
>SCHMUP

>>5017388

how the fuck do you give yourself infinte lives ? I've been playing eosd for weeks and have yet to complete a run, always end up running out of lifes casue i suck hard at it.

>>5017167
ZUN realised with MoF that you should actually use the players location as a variable in most bullet patterns.

>>5017887
OllyDbg

>>5017917
I actually made a trainer that gave me nohit/invincibility (modify hit test code), infinite lives/bombs. Shit was kinda boring that way, but it's useful if you just want to see the stages and "plot".

>>5017931
I want to see ending for UFO. Could you upload it somewhere?

>>5017946
Only did it for the older games.

There are some unpackers for Touhou games, I suggest you look for them. Although, I think you need a decompiler too. That way you can just read the scripts if you want, but maybe just a simple infinite life cheat would be easier for you.

Just start Cheat engine and search for the lives.

>>5017917
my brain just went on fire

>>5017931
would you upload it for us ?

>Ikaruga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbK5rx9UTIE

>Infinite lives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9vD-wHluug

>>5017931
Why hit test when you can simply extend the invincibility time after dying/resurrecting?

>>5017967
I don't like the clipping animation.

>>5017962
It's just for IN. I'd rather not upload it since it has my nickname on it, which would kind of defeat my anonimity on 4chan (I'd rather not become a namefag/tripfag). But if you really want, I'll just copy paste the patches and someone can make/build an identical one quickly from there.

>>5017946
You can see the endings on Easy mode in UFO. I mean, beating it 6 times would take a couple hours, but what are you doing with your time anyway.

I just want to live foreverrrrr

>>5017994

anything that helps man

>>5017946
In the end, Shou leads you opens the treasure to find a magician, who was locked away for quite some time. She is happy to be freed, but your character makes some remarks to her that make her feel threatened, and she attacks. After a furious battle involving many curving lasers, she is defeated.

After the events on the ship, your character takes an interest in finding the real origin of the UFO's (especially the ones that show up in certain later levels as mini bosses). Umbrella girl shows up in an attempt to scare you, but ultimately fails, and the final battle begins.

The UFO's were actually Nue in disguise, trying to help you out. She reveals her true form to you, and then attempts to kill you because nobody who sees her true form lives to tell about it.

>>5018009
UFO is one of the hardest ones to beat, even on easy. If you only go for red UFO tokens you can save up all of your stuff for the stages in which you really need them (5, 6)

If you get a game over, you basically have to restart the game, because you can't beat stage 5 with only 2 lives, let alone stage 6.

>>5018032
Was I the only one to be pretty disappointed by Unidentified Fantastic Object's plot? I mean, basically it's:

a rat trying to kill you
an umbrella trying to scare you
a nun and a pink guy trying to kill you
a bisexual captain trying to kill you
a tiger trying to kill you
an ancient girl with wide hair trying to kill you
an UFO trying to kill you

Fascinating.

>>5017994

that would be awesome if you really dont wanna upload it

>>5016837
Lost my last life on Resurrection Butterfly once with the clock at 01.

>>5017961

just been trying this in cheatengine, no idea what im doing or what to "scan" for etc. any advice ?

>>5018054
>Touhou
>plot
Hahaha oh wow.

Never been too good at touhou games.
IMO they're not easy no matter what anyone says.
They may not be the toughest shoot em ups but they're still up there.

On the other hand they've made me a god at the raiden games.

>>5018097
Just let me remind you this, so you can keep in mind that the plot is serious business in Touhou games.

>>5018043
stages 1-4 are no challenge in my book. just grab em red ufos without dying, i arrived in stage 4 with 8 lives

>>5018054
You could say that about every touhou game, and probably any game you can think of.
You aren't looking into how, or why.

>>5017946
Reimu A: The 12s turn their boat into a sky cruise ship. Reimu is mad at them cause she's a bitch or something

Reimu B: Byakuren comes to Reimu's shrine and clowns the fuck all over her and then decides to build a temple because Reimu is such a bad person

Marisa A: Marisa comes back from Makai and tells Reimu. Reimu doesn't give a shit. Marisa gets free rides in the space boat because she beat up the captain

Marisa B: Marisa opens a UFO and a snake comes out [[CANON ENDING]]

Sanae A: Sanae and Suwako visit the 12s on their boat, find out that the floating UFOs don't really look like UFOs!! what could they be???

Sanae B: Moriyas help 12s build their temple. Kanako discovers that Byakuren is on the level -- WHICH MAKES HER ALL THE MORE DANGEROUS

>>5018133
I think I got Sanae A and B switched there.

>>5018122
Why do you never use Marisa's PoV, she's more interesting

>>5018140
depending on which patch you use, some of the shots get switched up.
At least that was the case with marisa, don't know about sanae

>>5018056
Here it is:

; Touhou 8 - Imperishable Night (1.00d)
; EXE Base - 0x400000. All offsets are RVAs.
; Debug mode (no integrity checks) - you don't need this unless you patch the exe file
BASE+0xB6600 - patch string "debug" - 5 bytes
; Invulnerability (nohit) - change hit tests in such a way that bombs/enemies/bosses don't hurt you, however bombs/enemies are still hurt by you hitting into them.
BASE+0x4A338 - nop (0x90 0x90) - 2 bytes
BASE+0x4A44A - nop (0x90 0x90) - 2 bytes
BASE+0x4A905 - nop (0x90 0x90) - 2 bytes
; Infinite Lifes - change code such that lifes are never decremented
BASE+0x2F2B0 - patch binary - B8 08 00 00 00 C3 - 6 bytes
BASE+0x4D0F9 - nop (0x90 ... 0x90) - 12 bytes
; Infinite Bombs - change code such that bombs are never decremented
BASE+0x398CE - patch binary - B8 08 00 00 00 C3 - 6 bytes
; Infinite Power - change code such that power is never decremented
BASE+0x22480 - patch binary - B8 80 00 00 00 0C3 - 6 bytes
; External loading of data files - you don't need this unless you're modding the game
BASE+0x39721 - patch binary 01 (enabled) / 00 (disabled)

All these modify code, not data.

>>5018102
Yea, I played raiden after playing tons of UFO.
It was embarrassingly easy.

>>5018157
Reimu's cruelty knows no bounds; is funnier

>>5018172
Don't mistake cruelty for awesomeness.

Did UFO on easy modo on my second try and I'm not going to bother firing it up on normal. The characters, patterns, stages, backgrounds, music, scoring, extend system... everything about it sucks. Hard.

I'm really good at Touhou.

I beat UFO before I beat MoF.
MoF last boss is immune to bombs, and 70% of the time, is immune to regular shots as well. Therefore Kanako is the hardest boss in the entire series.

>>5018217
Not only is she immune to bombs, she fucking SUPPRESSES them somehow. So you bomb to save your live, and it clears 5 bullets from the screen, and you die the second your invincibility wears off.

>>5018201
Except Nazrin.

>>5018201
If it took you 2 tries to beat easy mode you don't get to judge anything.

>>5018220
And you just lost 1.00 power.

>>5018229
It doesn't work like that. I'm sorry you have shitty taste.

>>5017961

How in the hell do you use cheat engine? I just got it and I'm confused to all hell.

>>5018220
I think every final pattern in 10-12 does this. I know Okuu does and I swear Byakuren's spinny charms don't bomb away as easily as they should.

>>5018165

so now how do we actually make this into a trainer ?

>>5018244
What are you sorry for me for? You're the one missing an entire game.

>>5018254
You need a trainer engine, although, if you're lazy, you could probably use cheat engine, or just some random memory patcher. If you're really lazy, just go ahead and patch the stuff at those addresses in OllyDBG or some hex editor to achieve a modified exe with those cheats perma-enabled. Surely someone on /jp/ could do it for you. I can't do it now since I don't have the game on this computer.

>>5018246
You attach to a process, then you search for a variable of some kind, then you refine your search until you find the address you're looking for, after that you can patch the address to contain whatever, or you could move on to the next phase and see how code interacts with that address if you want to make a "pro" trainer (those without silly glitches).

>>5018257
I have MAME and a JP360. I don't mind missing out the lowest point of a weak STG series that only serves to pump out superior doujin.

>>5018287

I'm not lazy, just really inept at editing codes and such...like, really inept. I just found a patch for EoSD and I'm hoping that there's more already done for me.

so what's the secret of Kanako's final spellcard in MoF?
I'm the OP from earlier, I want to at least beat her once before I try any cheats out.

>>5018252
I usually play SA with marisa C, so I don't get affected by it. I don't know about UFO because I usually end up dying anyway.

You know...
We should do a Let's Play Danmaku thread again sometime. I can't remember the last time we had one.

>>5019285
Just outlast her

>>5019363
I don't believe you.
Where do you sit on the screen?

>>5019285
>so what's the secret of Kanako's final spellcard in MoF?
Get really good at dodging bullshit patterns.

>>5019410
It's not that hard. I had less trouble with it on hard than I sometimes have with Remilia or Okuu's on normal.

Casual but I dominate in Soku.

>>5016837
>>5019386
>Where do you sit on the screen?
There's your first mistake.
You don't "sit" somewhere on the screen.
You have to be under the boss and shoot her. If bullets come your way, you move to dodge them. If you sit around, you'll die.

Saying you suck at Touhou is like saying you suck at multiple choice tests. It is a memorization game, so with enough practice and study you will eventually get a high score. This is also why I don't enjoy the main touhou games.

>>5019447
Play some EoSD, the only good Touhou game, by the reasons you've stated.

>>5019386
Don't hold shift for focused movement much. Go through the huge gaps wherever they appear.

>>5019341
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4668113
>Mar 18
;_;

>>5019447
I don't think touhou is anywhere near as bad as other danmaku shooters when it comes to memorizing.

>>5019481
I'd be up for another. I feel confident enough in my danmaku skills to participate now, even if I'll probably lose most of the time.

>>5019447
Most games boil down to memorization. Starcraft is memorizing build orders and units that counter others, and then clicking the fastest to execute them all. Guilty Gear is memorizing combos, blockstrings, and frame data. God of War is memorizing combos and attack patterns. Any given platforming game can be memorized in a tenth of the time it would take to memorize Touhou.

>>5018165
Can someone explain how I use this with ollydbg?

I'm kind of lazy with memorizing in danmaku. I try to wing it when I can.

Not wanting to memorize Boundary of Humans and Youkai is probably the main obstacle to me beating Yukari, though.

>>5019500
Same here. Someone make a thread.
I'd make one, but my skills (or lack thereof) hardly makes me fit to OP the rounds.

>>5017961
Fuck. Cheat engine is horrible on the linux wine windows emulator.

>>5019550
Maybe there's nobody on /jp/ now/anymore who is actually very good.

>>5019513
Look at one example:
> ; Infinite Lifes - change code such that lifes are never decremented
> BASE+0x2F2B0 - patch binary - B8 08 00 00 00 C3 - 6 bytes
> BASE+0x4D0F9 - nop (0x90 ... 0x90) - 12 bytes
The first line says what the next patches will be used for. So to enable one cheat, you must apply those patches (or write a trainer that does it for you). If you insist on using ollydbg:
load the game in it, then click on the data window (or code window if you wish). The data window is the lower left one, the code window is the upper left one. Press ctrl+g to an address.
> BASE+0x2F2B0
That means you take the base (0x400000) and add it to that RVA (0x2F2B0), so you get 42F2B0. Then you enter that address in the Ctrl+G dialogue and press OK. You then proceed to copy the bytes that were indicated to your clipboard: B8 08 00 00 00 C3, and rightclick at the addresses place and choose Binary->Binary Paste.

In the case of "nop (0x90 ... 0x90) - 12 bytes" that means you have to write 90 90 .. 90 (12 times) and paste that over the code.

Once you're done, press Home, hold Shift, press End, to select all the code, then Copy to executable->Selection (if you get an error, make the selection smaller, so it doesn't include the last few empty 00 bytes in the section), then close that window and it will ask you where to save the new exe. If you don't want to save it, just run the exe with F9... Or you could make a trainer using this information (just google for various trainer templates or whatever).

You cheaters are absolute faggots. I may suck at STGs, but at least I restrain myself. I rarely use more than one credit, I try to hold myself to strict standards for the sake of game evaluation and personal improvement. Despite this, I can understand credit feeding and exploiting the recent game's continue system: it's the game's rules, and everyone can decide for themselves how they want to play by them. Modding the game to make it easier, however, is just pussying out.

I've never even played Touhou. I lie about it to fit in ;___;

I suck at games too.

We should be friends OP.

>>5020097
There's really little point in cheating, unless you want to skip to the "story". Cheating usually means removing the fun of the game, and I think everyone knows this.

>>5019442
I meant like, do you move up close, stay max distance, go left/right/etc. I am well aware that there are almost no attack patterns which you can literally sit through.

>>5020273
This is where practice comes in.
No one can just tell you where the fuck to go for boss battles with only a handful of exceptions.

And if you're REALLY having trouble, there might be replays on Youtube or some shit.

>>5020273
There is no trick to Kanako's last card. It's why it's considered the wall for 1ccs in MoF since it's difficulty is a brick wall which can not be passed by anything other than pure skill.

You simply do your best to stay under her while surviving. A simple mind tip that may help. Don't dodge bullets, go through gaps.

>>5020155
Same here, man. ;_;

>>5020156
I used to be the type of person to use cheats and walkthroughs too. After I played Touhou, I stopped doing that. There was no point of cheating at Touhou because you couldn't have the excuse of "I just want to see the ending/ good part."

>>5020320
Its just disheartening when you get through the whole game dying only 1 or 2 times, and you get to her and she stops your entire progress, and you cant practice her because its not unlocked yet.

I couldn't even Marisa B bug her out, because I had to death-bomb so much >.<

>>5020400
You think Mountain of Faith is a huge fucking wall?

Try beating Flying Fantastica.
Then rage at not being able to beat Byakuren on a continue because you only get 2 FUCKING LIVES FOR THE ENTIRE STAGE

>>5020436
I already beat UFO, and I still can't beat MoF.
Go figure right?

>>5020400
If you feel that it's a sudden jump in difficulty you can't get past. Simply practice your skills on another touhou. MoF is rather low on difficulty in normal mode except for Kanako's last card. It doesn't take that much skill to get past Kanako. I literally got past Kanako the first time I met her and I think the only other 1cc I had at the time was for EoSD.

tl;dr, Simply practice your skills on a slightly more difficult overall game.

>>5020436
When I get a game over on UFO I just start over.

>>5020458
We should totally fuck so our skills can rub off on one another.

MoF is cake for me while I get destroyed in UFO everytime.

>>5020524
Only once though, lol. And my game crashed after I got the last card, so I couldn't even save my replay.
It was a bad day.

UFO is much more harder
it's already harder on EASY MODO than it's supposed to be

>>5020524
>>5020458
I beat MoF and UFO on my second or third try each, but I've never beaten EoSD or PCB

>>5023010
It's the other way around entirely for me.

Although it did take me a considerable number pf times.

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>>5023010
PCB is actually damn easy, at least on easy and Extra. I am currently sucking on Yukari and a 1cc on normal

>>5023015
PCB was my first game and it's harder than a motherfucker for me (not OP), what the hell. EoSD is about the same, the invisible hitbox thing isn't even really that big a problem, its just plain hard.

I got up to stage 5 of SA on easy mode without using continues. I am very proud of myself.

>>5023020
You beat Extra but not Normal? That's... unusual.

>>5019496
>>memorizing
>>Psikyo games
>>MOTHERFFFFFFN HIBACHI

>>5020319
Good luck fighting Black Heart mk2 in Battle Garegga.

>>5023042
It's what happens when you play CAVE games. There's a lot of streaming involved, so your skills carry over to the EX-stages.

But it doesn't help you against say... Youmu.

If you're playing an STG post-Image Fight and are not on the hardest difficulty, you should not be using 'memorisation' as an excuse for your obvious suckage.

>>5023090
>>R-Type Leo
>>R-Type Delta

Got up to stage 6 normal mode 1cc in EoSD... then failed to kill Remilia. Like... including all the continues -.-
I hate how ZUN changed the bomb system 10 and up... the power loss is a bitch.

>>5023078
Oh, that makes sense. Ran has a lot of.. sort of logical patterns without huge random fuckball clusters of bullets everywhere LIKE CERTAIN HALF-GHOST BOSSES.

Beat EosD MoF UFO and SA extra, but still can't 1cc PCB.

What's wrong with me?

>>5023097
It's not that big of a deal. On the flipside it lets you bomb a completely unreasonable number of times.

>>5023103
I can make it to Chen on Extra Stage before knowing it, but I burn my entire credit on Youmu's criss-crossing nonspells.

>>5019501
No and not the same fanboy. Real shump games should be about reaction, timing and skill. 2hu sucks as does it's the fanbase.

PCB is easy... 1cced it the first time I played it. Yeah it was easy modo but I've only been playing for a bit less than a week back then.

>>5023097

Damn i LOVE the MoF and SA bombing system.
(Probably because I rarely bomb but, ah, whatever)

What I REALLY hate is that if you die in UFO you lose all your fucking power, and getting it back takes AGES.

>>5023093
Right, because R-Type and its conventions weren't established before then. You knew what my point was, don't be so retentive.

>>5023097
The power loss system really annoys me. At least in Metal Black your power loss makes up for it that you can tug-of-war with the boss and deal heavy damage by sacrificing your shot power (if you do it right).

Thunder Force 6 makes up for power loss by =STACKING= or perhaps even multiplying the attack power when you hit the bomb button repeatedly (and drain your shot power like crazy)

>>5023120
Yeah that's what I meant more or less... It's not that bad actually in SA and MoF but in UFO the power loss is really way too big.

>>5023144
ZUN needs to make some sort of compensation for the power drain.

>>5023129
I think it would be better as something like a super weapon and not a bomb, something more granular and shmup-y. Bombing feels like "I just messed up" because you lose faith and it breaks your spellcard bonus and shit.

>>5023144
It doesn't bother me a lot. Power comes back fast on the later stages.

>>5023162
Maybe ZUN should try this?

(like in Psikyo, Cave)
Tap A = normal shot
Hold A = alt. shot + slow
B = bomb

>>5023162
Do you know any shmups that do that?

>>5023202
Ever heard of shift?

>>5023146
I can't remember if it's the same in SA and UFO but in MoF I'm pretty sure 4.00 and 5.00 power are the same, so you only power down if you’re bombing a lot. I think ZUN is very forgiving with bombs; you even have to bomb if you want to score well in a lot of his games. Bomb in most arcade games and your scoring potential for that level, maybe even the game, gets cut dramatically.

>>5023202
Didn't he have that in the older games? Something in the options like Slow Shot.

>>5023212
All Raizing games have a secondary special weapon as a bomb. Some Cave games also have a power up mode that's seperate to the bomb system (DOJ, DFK, DS1/2, Galuda1/2).

>>5020156
I find practicing hard games more bearable with cheats, at least sometimes

Well, just 1cced IN Lunatic. 3 lives left too, guess I overestimated the game a lot.

Only EoSD and SA Lunatics remain, since I'm not touching UFO with a ten foot pole. EoSD first, I guess.

>>5023212
Except Slow Shot is not really part of the game system as intended and it actually disables high score and replay.

>>5023212
Personally I prefer Giga Wing's system and Progear's.

I like the idea where you are encouraged to use bombs to be able to push your score further.

>>5023202
Tapping hurts my hand after a while.

>>5023266
I just assumed it slowed your ship when you held the shot button. Does it slow the whole game then?

UFO was annoying me a lot, so I stopped trying full runs. And it turned out that practice moding UFO hard mode has been some of the best times I've had in the whole series. And Marisa B turned into my favorite shot type. It's like my whole world turned upside down.

>>5023311

Like, holy shit wow man. You should write a book, the whole world needs to know.

>>5023274
Do you mean Progear's gem system? Because bombing in Progear destroys your scoring potential and not using them is part of both paths to the loop.

>>5023325
My bad then.