/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Japan loves genderswapping. Next question?

In the context of the story, the legend's been modified over the years.

"Arthur" was always a girl. She was remembered as a male, because the citizens would not be unified under a female leader. They needed a King.

I say!

How uncouth

You forgot that you are a faggot for taking anything fictional seriously. Gee, go somewhere and bash Twilight for not depicting werewolves correctly or something.

You could complain if you were playing a good game.
That's F/SN, nothing makes sense anyway.

>>4991682
How do you know?
Superior nihon knowledge?

>>4991682

As a Brit I am disgusted....nay revolted and I'm not even that into Arthurian legend!

>Am I missing something here?

Yes. You are missing that Japanese are fucked up.

horrible thread

>A thing without breasts.
Yup, sounds like Saber to me.

pic related.

>>4991695

>In the context of the story

>>4991697

Why not complain that Gilgamesh is a bishounen?
Why not complain that Cuchulainn's skeleton doesn't do a 180 beneath his flesh whenever he fights?
Why not complain that Medusa has perfectly normal hair?

>>4991714

Oh no she has them they're just small.

>>4991716

Medusa is Caster?

Haven't gotten that far through it yet. Arthur just killed Rider and that was about it.

>Why not complain that Medusa has perfectly normal hair?
why not complain that medusa isn't a really ugly snake-headed monster with a snake tail even.

i thought she was Jeanne d'Arc at first until they said otherwise. which was confusing since her sword was excalliber. i thought 'oh japan you so crazy, Jeanne d'Arc didn't have excaliber, that was King Arthur'.

I thought that Servants took on forms that would be appealing to their Masters?

>>4991720

No. Medusa is Rider.

>>4991723
yeah it seemed pretty "obvious" that saber was jeanne d'arc.

>>4991682
>They needed a King.

I raged hard at this part. That "explanation" didn't explain anything. It was like "hey look. We just changed gender of cool well-known character, so know it is fuckable and it's not gay. We are smalt!"

>>4991716
Because these characters are inferior. Nobody interested in them.

Everyone knows Arthur really was a cat.

>>4991720
Medusa is Rider
Illya and Sakura are the Grail
Caster is Medea
Archer is Shirou
etc

>>4991722
I don't remember Medusa riding a Pegasus....
But I guess the Rider part had to come in from somewhere.

Besides, wasn't she killed because of what's-his-face's mirror shield?

Well, they even get their own historical heroes gender wrong, so yeah.

>>4991723
>>4991729

Jeanne d'arc would have made more sense..

Didn't she canonically pass herself as a man?

To bad she has no plot hax, so Nasu couldn't use her.

>>4991723

Yeah my money was on Jeanne too.

>>4991731

And the "needed a king" part doesn't work because the British isles have historical examples of female leaders with no problems.

And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped.

>>4991735
you mean Illya is the grail. sakura is the Corrupted grail

>>4991737

Yeah Medusa makes no sense at all if she is Medusa...

>>4991741
Did Jean of Arc even have a well-known sword?
The most I remember is that she slashed someone's back or something.

>>4991738
Historically accurate in JAPAN.
Try again.

>>4991731

.....I'm interested in Caster, if you know what I mean

/v/, why do you guys raid us on a daily basis like this? Are you guys that bored? Raiding from /b/ alone is already enough, give us a break.
>>4991738
Nack, you tell them.

>>4991726
S... Seriously!?...

Wow!... Then I would like to have Saburo Sakai but in an F6F instead of his usual shit.

Which one's Alexander the Great?

Would have been better if the fact that Saber was a woman was actually important to the story.
She could have been a guy and Fate would have been the same thing.
Minus the shitty romance with Shirou of course.

>>4991750

Saber has two plot hax, the sword and the shield.

>>4991731

>I raged hard at this part. That "explanation" didn't explain anything. It was like "hey look. We just changed gender of cool well-known character, so know it is fuckable and it's not gay. We are smalt!"

In the original draft Nasu wrote, the character was male and the hero was female, so yeah.

>>4991737

>I don't remember Medusa riding a Pegasus....

If you read the legend of Perseus, Pegasus lept forth from the blood spewing from Medusa's neck.
Now, remind me; how does Rider summon Pegasus? (See pic)

>Besides, wasn't she killed because of what's-his-face's mirror shield?

Perseus could see Medusa with his shield, and he beheaded her without meeting her gaze that way.

>>4991757
I think I remember reading somewhere that they had marginally planned on Saber being male and Shirou was suppose to be a girl, and the story was told from the girl's perspective. Then again, I'm also sure I read this on /a/, so I can conform how truthful it is.
>>4991758
Does Jean of Arc have a well-known anything?

>>4991750
they still could have used excaliber. i mean medusa doesn't really have anything to do with pegasus or hand sythes thingies. also wasn't hercules sword just a nondescript stone sword in the game? so weapons aren't that closely tied to their historical counterpart.

>>4991764
OH, I always thought he used the shield to 'reflect' her gaze back.
I didn't know about the origin of Pegasus though.

>>4991764

They should have gone with the original draft.

A GAR....nay a virtus King Arthur would improve the story greatly.

>>4991765
*originally.

>>4991756

Iskander, 4th Rider. From Fate/Zero.

>>4991765
>I think I remember reading somewhere that they had marginally planned on Saber being male and Shirou was suppose to be a girl, and the story was told from the girl's perspective. Then again, I'm also sure I read this on /a/, so I can conform how truthful it is.

Yes, it's true, there are even pics.

But Nasu realized a female main character wouldn't have appealed otaku and changed her.

>>4991768
I'm pretty sure both britfags and frenchfags would have been extremely angry if they just handed over Excaliber to Jean of Arc.

>>4991748
>>4991748
At first Medusa was like the most beautiful bitch arounf with the sexiest hair. Then Poseidon came and raped her. It would have been okay if it was a normal rape, but the rape was inside a temple dedicated to Athena since Medusa ran into the temple for protection against the rape, but useless. Now Athena got buttmad, but since she can't do shit to Poseidon so she decided to punish Medusa. She turned Medusa into the snakehair monsters as commonly known. End of story.
Also, Medusa has a couple of sexy twin older sisters but she ate them anyway.

>>4991791

Storming Japan angry.

>>4991775

Au contrare, Medusa was harmless in a mirror.

>>4991768

>i mean medusa doesn't really have anything to do with pegasus

YES SHE DOES SHUT UP
Hell, Bloodfort Andromeda is a reference to the isle Medusa lived on, where no man was said to return from.
Nasu did his goddamn homework.

>>4991776

Perhaps. Here's his conceptual image.

>>4991795

And casual.

>>4991792

Poseidon is my homeboy.

No, seriously, have you ever listened to the song "I'm on a Boat"?

Sader WAS male, I guess Nasu didn't fancy Shiro banging a guy so poof, female Arthur. Hey it's no worse then a female Jesus, right?

>>4991756
Fucking ripped

>>4991798

And since I posted that, might as well post Proto-Shirou.

Yes, we know, she has a sheathe in her.

Also, she wouldn't have been the bone of her sword. In the original draft, Tohsaka summoned Gilgamesh and was her enemy.

>>4991786
That would've appealed to me. Rin's part is the best part of F/SN.
>>4991782
Man, I never though Alexander looked so intense for a guy who invented a form of martial arts about intense grappling.

>>4991675
>A creature possessing a penis.

Saber had a magical penis in the past

>>4991805

Awww shit, it's the mother fucking Alexander The Great, conquerer of the World and ruler of all Macedon.

>>4991795

No...its all wrong!

HE NEEDS A BEARD!

He has to be manly. King Arthur would positively ooze manliness. You could gather the manliness he constantly leaks out, compress it into blocks and use it to build an invincible fortress! He needs to be built like a strongman not like a muscleman

That just looks like a fucking bishie.

>>4991806
>>4991798
>>4991795
>You'll never be a girl who gets jackhammered by King Arthur ;_;

>>4991806

She might've been tsundere. We'll never know.

>>4991813

Sorry, but even in the context of the story, that's not gonna fly. Arthur was always a young man, since he drew Caliburn.

People nerdrage at some pretty silly things.

>>4991819

Yes he would be young. Probly late twenties/early thirties.

But he would have a beard and be well built.

He would not look like a bishie!

>>4991824
Newfriends have some anger management issues.

>>4991824

>>4991824
>>4991830

>Newfriends have some anger management issues

Yeah, it's that virginal rage.

>>4991829

More like teens. Since, you know, tiny squire, etc.

Guys, guys...

I though that the story of King Arthut was only A LEGEND, that doesn't mean it was real. Think of it, nobody is strong enough to stab a rock with a sword, and someone stronger than him could have removed it before.

It's just a silly legend. Who cares if japs think that Arthur was a girl or not?

Although I will admit Saber still manages to have GAR moments that approach virtus

>>4991809

wat

>>4991840

Why not genderbender the whole holy war then?

Every hero is a girl and the end is a massive lesbian orgy. Who fucking cares!

>>4991845

A wizard did it, everyone knows wizards can just summon up penises at will

>>4991855
>A wizard did it, everyone knows wizards can just summon up penises at will


But..why?

>>4991860

Fucking wizards, how do they work?

>>4991864
Magic.

>>4991743
Arthur predated Queens quite a few fucking hundred years, mah boi/

>>4991864

No, i mean, why he did it?

>>4991852
If you genderbent EVERYONE, it stops being special.

>>4991813
Cause you met Arthur personally, and you cannot stand seeing his image shattered like that?

Goddamn machine worshipers.

>>4991860

WIZARDS, NO SENSE OF RIGHT OR WRONG

>>4991869
Sperm was required for the creation of her "son".

>>4991867

Actually there was a famous female leader quite a bit before her. Boudica was the leader of a good chunk of Britain during the days of the Roman Empire. She died to the Legion in the end though.

>>4991869

Merlin was the first futa fan ever.

>>4991875

It just feels wrong.

>>4991852
so then, shirou would be female, as would be saber, and then archer would also be a female by default, and berserker would be a huge butch dyke with a beard.

>>4991880
It is slightly different, since she led the Briton tribes against the Romans, there was no 'english monarchy'

>>4991882
Wasn't it Morgause that spawned Mordred?

>>4991855
source? [mt][mf] doesn't really say a thing.

>>4991891

The British monarchy was descended from those tribes though.

She would have had a harder time sure but she could have forced them to accept by simply acting like a king but wait why am I arguing for the genderbent Arthur?

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't part of Fate/hollow ataraxia have a portion where it's revealed that Medusa does indeed have a "snake-monster" form, or something?

>>4991782
How long ago was it that people were arguing that Iskander could defeat Medusa, until somebody pointed out that her mystic eyes instantly petrify all opponents in her field of view with mana rank C or less?

>>4991905
Those broken eyes ya mean? And yeah she does have a monster form, like HUGE monster.

>>4991887
Considering Arthur was a guy who drew a sword from teh stone, because of that was made leader and would not age, could decimate armies on his own, has magical cloaks and daggers, could walk on freaking water, would not die from wound from the battlefield due to a scabbard, fucked a witch, has a fast bred 'on' fighting him, despite being so awesome his queen cheated on him, and now resides in an island of aples where people await the return, being a female pretending to be male is not that farfetched.

Explains why Guinevere had to turn to Lancelot.

>>4991898

>>4991905
Yes.The Rider you see is her original form before being Cursed.

>>4991887
Well, if Japan decided to genderbend Winston Churchill, I could see it.

As an American, however, I would gladly accept a genderbent Teddy Roosevelt or Andrew Jackson, you know, those GAR ass motherfuckers.

>>4991908
How they would have benefit from the invention of the strap-on. Ah well.

>>4991903
> she could have forced them to accept by simply acting like a king
...Which is what she did. Did she actually keep her gender secret back then, or does the game say that the legend merely changed such that Arthur was male rather than a female assuming a traditionally male role?

>>4991908

Aye true I guess.

Seeing some of her more GAR moments I'm not too weirded out by it all.

But still what the fuck Japan?

How come no one rages bout the fact that Nasu worked up a female Jesus?

>>4991908
He should be glad he wasn't Irish. Guenevire wouldn't have looked back at Arthur after being banged by Cu.

>>4991927
Female Jesus?
What? Where is this?

>>4991913
thanks

>>4991921
Merlin did give Arturia a dick that one time, but besides Morgana raping Arturia to steal some semen and creating Mordred from the stolen sperm, I don't think that led to very much.

>>4991922
She kept it secret, and the reason Lancelot was so butthurt in Fate/Zero was because Saber wasn't butthurt about Lancelot banging "his" wife. Lancelot didn't realize that Saber was just glad that at least ONE of the pair got laid and could experience the pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>4991929
Cu wasn't that great of a lover actually..

>>4991933
Go ask Arc.

>>4991922

It just doesn't feel right.

Must be a British thing.

>>4991940
Saber with a dick would be so much better, I can just imagine the look on Shiro's face.

>>4991941
newfag here
does Fate/Zero have a translation patch?

>>4991942
...The train of thought that makes you think 'Arc=Jesus must be interesting.

>>4991942
>Arc
>Jesus
What the fuck am I reading.

>>4991957
There are light novels.
Go to Bakatsuki.

>>4991929

The irish?

Fucking terrorist bastards the lot of em

>>4991957
....patch?
Get stabbed.

>>4991958
Never said she was, said that Nasu worked up a female Jesus. Same birthday, acts as a matyr, plus there's that cover with her walking on water. It's no secret really.

>>4991973
>Never said she was, said that Nasu worked up a female Jesus. Same birthday, acts as a matyr, plus there's that cover with her walking on water. It's no secret really.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheMessiah

The Messiah =|= Jesus

>>4991973
Uh... what's her name?

>>4991973
Too many people are born in christmas(Jesus stole the actual date from others), does not really act as a martyr for the sake of others(and that is a general Messiah issue that still predates Jesus), and the water walking thing is from the anime, isn't it?
A few small similarities do not negate ALL the differences.

>>4991979
>tvtropes

Get out.

>>4991979
And that has what to do with anything?

>>4991988
Right, so someone has to outright say it or it doesn't count? Whatever, fact is there are similarities, prove or disprove them as you like.

>>4991988
>A few small similarities do not negate ALL the differences.

By that logic nothing is alike cause everything IS different. Guess saber isn't a female Arthur after all!

>>4992006
I am saying that the actual similarities are far too few and nowhere near important enough(she is NOT a martyr, for starters).

A bloodthirsty Earth elemental bred solely to kill Inverted Demons is Arc's origin.
Being born on Christmas and shown walking on water at a single sequence that is not exactly the most well regarded work and accepted as faithful does not really 'scream' jesus to me.

Ilya was crucified at one point, does that make her Jesus?

>>4992034
Arc's origin is to be a killer of strong Dead Apostles, and potentially being the vessel for the reincarnation of Crimson Moon Brunestud. She wasn't after SHIKI because of his demonic abilities, she was after SHIKI because Roa had "reincarnated" within him.

>>4992057
Actually, the 'Fallen True Ancestors' are referred to as 'Demon Lords.'

>>4992034
She wasn't born on Christmas, and she was supposed to be the earth's "savior" in a way.
Ilya was never crucified, it just looked that way, heck there wasn't even a cross and she was being absorbed by the grail.

And obviously someone, maybe not Nasu, made the connection and/or tried to make it seem that way at the least with the water walking.
There are similarities and keep in mind my original question was why people do not rage about a female Jesus, and that does not take much, official word or no.

If it hadn't been explicitly stated in F S/N that saber was Arthur would you have thought she was either? Most people seemed to think she was Jeanne.

>>4992062
And you got this from where?

Just thought I'd post this.

>>4992068

That made me laugh.

>>4992068
Something is wrong here, why hasn't the captain beheaded those soldiers yet?

>>4992085

Because the British nobility back then didn't take to randomly killing their underlings?

>>4992068
Coconuts? Saber? Their OBVIOUSLY seeing things.

>>4992064

What the?

Its explicit stated who she is in Fate route, what kind of MORON would think she would be Jeanne when she have Excalibur, talks about the Holy Grail, then mentions Mordred ... after the fight with Rider one must be a complete and utter idiot to NOT realize who she is AND ignore the update on her information screen.

>>4992088
That's a sick, fucked up, twisted world they lived in.

>>4992092
Oh for fucks sake, READ what I said, I said if it had NOT been explicitly stated, sheez.

>>4992064
On external appearance only?
Yes.
When the story expanded?
She is a female Artur, tailored to be such.

And ARc's origin and purpose is 'irrelevant' to Earth's Savior, you stretch it far too much. Nothing in Tsukihime portrays her like that. One imagery alone in the anime series is too weak an argument.
If anyone is portrayed somewhat as a smaller scale Super JMessiah, that would be Archer.
>>4992067
One of the many TM encyclopedias/artbooks they have 'published' covers all that.
It is just a name, mind you, unrelated to all other Nasuverse demons(who have different Japanese names/terms)

>>4992093

Well no back then they had this concept called Noblesse oblige. Yes it was a french concept originally but it formed a central part of how Nobility was expected to behave especially knights.

>>4992097
The point is, Saber, even if not looking the part, was created to be 'Arthur'.
You take random imagery and force non-existent traits to a defined character to say 'Arc=Jesus'.
Different things.

>>4992067
Go back to read the game.

>>4992099
Not an official work then?

I know that Saber was tailored to be Arthur for that game, but removing that fact, if she was simply a female warrior like say in one of the other routs that did NOT focus on her.
Also how could you have possibly thought that she was a female Arthur based of appearances alone..?

>>4992105

Well it was needed as usually there was no central authority, if a feudal lord wanted to act like a dick he could ... Knights were in many ways nothing but mercenaries.

Japan even ended up creating a similar thing with Samurai and Daimyo for about the same reason.

>>4992118

Excalibur gives it away.

>>4992109
I suggest you kindly read the string of posts that lead to this argument. I asked why people do not rage about a Nasu working up a female Jesus.
Never did I say she was one, I was wondering why if people get so upset over Saber why they did not get upset over the possibility of Arc being Jesus. Any idiot knows just a hit is all it takes to get people raging after all, since when has proof ever been needed.

I thought I explained all this already.

>>4992118
It is published by fucking Type Moon, to give extra backround info.
As official as it gets.

And what kind of logic is this?
"forget the actual background and character, and pretend she is a nameless female knight'?
What for?
'Ignore she is a bloody vampire elemental bred to kill others and carries that single purpose for 800 years before she fucks an underage boy and see how she walks on water in an anime intro'?
Fantastic.

>>4992136
I couldn't tell that the sword was Excalibur from just looking, either way are you saying that the more reasonable line of thinking was "Hey it's a female Arthur!" instead of "Hey, I think someone messed up here"?

>>4992139
Your reasoning and explanation is still stupid.
Saber concept:King Arthur, but female.
Arc concept: Nothing like any messiah, much less jesus, for anyone to be concerned by the imagery.

The only thing someone can get upset with in this case is Nasu's concept of vampires.

>>4992139

Because if Jesus was a women it would invalidate Gabriel Knight 3 storyline .. a bit.

>>4992142
>>4992158
Oh forget it.

>>4992165
I will, it is too stupid.

>>4991813
Funny thing regarding beards.
They knew that Alaxendar was in fact famous for not having one.
All men at the time was supposed to have one yet he didn't.

In the end they decided to give him a beard and changed his design, manly men should have beards shouldn't they?

>>4991916
>Well, if Japan decided to genderbend Winston Churchill, I could see it.

Well, about that...

>>4992223
Alexander was also quite short and apparently hetero-chromatic.
Though concerning the size, Iskander remarks 'Compared to Darius, I was a dwarf, and history got warped down the road'

>>4991726
S... Seriously!?...

Wow!... Then I would like to have Saburo Sakai but in an F6F instead of his usual shit.

So is Archer a sorcerer or something? And what is his connection to the main character who it seems is also a sorcerer or something

>>4992241
Archer is Shirou from an alternate future.

>>4992241
>>4992243
Oh boy.

>>4992243

Alternate future?

>>4992241

Play the fucking game bro.

>>4992249
If you plan on actually reading F/SN to the end, get out.

>>4992253

I've just gotten to the escape from the loli's castle.

Also why was the loli trying to turn me into her boytoy?

>>4992255
Quite simple... Berserker is too big for Iliya...

>>4992249

Rin tried to summon a servant. But she didn't have any sort of catalyst. Of course, that's just what she thought--her jeweled pendant was a catalyst. Specifically, in the future, that pendant *was* to become an item connected to a hero. Thus, since heroes are independent of time, she was able to summon a hero from the future.

Anyone could in theory do this, but it's very unlikely that one would by sheer chance end up with an item that *will* some day become related to a hero.

>>4992255
ALL of it is explained later.

>>4992265
OK... I'm just kidding... please don't take it seriously...

>>4992255
Oh boy, another guy will enjoy the FUN IN THE SHED and post here about it.

>>4992271
Why do you reply to yourself?

And now Archer is dead?

Well shit got real

>>4992279
I was meant to delete my post but I have lost the ability and Illiya fans might get mad at my little joke... so I make amends...

>>4992283
Here it comes.
Enjoy King Arthur.

>>4992292

Well now I can't stop laughing.

And up until this point the writing made me forget this was going to have porn in it.

>>4992295
Either you read pretty fast or just play a game of pretend.

>>4992301

I do read rather fast.

But seriously can't stop laughing at this ridiculous scenario.

>>4992310
That is the best reaction possible.

It was the only way to make a moe arthur

Ok I don't pretend to like or understand the Nihonjin.

But surely ANYONE who has taken even a vague vague vague glance at Sengoku history would know that Uesugi Kenshin, the physical embodiment of the God of War, was a dude.

A man.

A male.

A thing without breasts.

A creature possessing a penis.

A bro.

Yet this is...Kenshin? Am I missing something here?

>>4992315

Of course this scenario would be much different in the original draft I guess.

Arthur saving the life of the main character by fucking her?

>>4992325
Well, the main character is not an existence dependent on magical energy, so there would be different circumstances.
But a bit less than HALF the sex scenes in TM works work in a 'must be done for other reasons then love/lust'.

>>4992323
On the other hand, the Rance worldsetting was created by a giant space whale, so you can't really use that as an example.

For a second in the blurry image of Rin fingering Saber...I thought Saber had a penis.

>>4992323
Ok I don't pretend to like or understand the Nihonjin.

But surely ANYONE who has taken even a vague vague vague glance at Sengoku history would know that Tokugawa Leyasu, the daimyo of the Tokugawa clan, was a dude.

A man.

A male.

A thing without fur.

A creature possessing normal sized balls.

A bro.

Yet this is...Leyasu? Am I missing something here?

>>4992345
Cause Nasuverse setting with living planets and ghosts drafted to do dirty work should be regarded as a serious parallel to our world.

>>4992351
Do you have a mancrush for King Arthur and his legend, good sir?

>>4992366

Well now. What British man doesn't?

>>4992370
Well, I do not.

>>4992354
It's _a_ parallel, and could conceivably be the same world (though the Nasuverse is actually a multiverse, as evidenced by Zelretch's True Magic). At the very least, its origin is the same as ours. The planet that the Rance games takes place on, however, was specifically created by a giant space whale for its own enjoyment.

>>4992382
Rance's world is just MORE absurd.
Nasuverse is absurd on it's own right.

>>4992375
The opinion of such a despicable and smelly lout such as yourself is not worth my time.

>>4992352
>Leyasu

Damn, "implying" is spreading.

>>4992393
My bad, I always read the I as a L for some reason.

Ok I don't pretend to like or understand the Japanese.

But surely ANYONE who has taken even a vague vague vague glance at Arthurian legend would know that Arthur, King of the Britons wielder of Excalibur was a Briton him/herself

A Briton.

A non-Japanese.

A thing that is not American.

A creature possessing Briton virtue.

A person who can't even speak a single Japanese.

Yet this is...Arthur? Am I missing something here?

>>4992432
Magical translators.
Not a good attempt at the joke.

There's no way Archer can be dead already. It just seems weird that his background was never explored

>>4992469
Three routes.
With different events and different characters getting some focus. Just keep reading.

>Saber

>>4992507
Shouldn't that be 'She' instead of 'it'?

>>4992514
It's just Sion

You do realize that the version of the legend that survived to modern times was surely changed many times? Original Arthur might have been female and there is no proof to change that fact.

>saber

Now that I think about, shouldn't it be spelled as "Sabre" instead of what seems to be a corrupted version of English.

>>4992552
Strictly speaking, Sabre and Saber are accepted spellings (er and re are a touchy issue)

>>4992267
Actually, that's not exactly how it goes. Not just anyone can summon heroes from the future, no one except Rin could have summoned Archer with the pendant.
Her summoning was kind of reversed, it wasn't much that she had a catalyst that were to be connected to a hero in the future, it was more so that Archer in the future had a catalyst that was connected to the past, rin.

>>4992255
Iliya is a brocon.

>>4992469

Saber route
Archer route
Slut route

>>4992605
FOr an adopted guy she has no blood relation with and meets for the first time when the story starts?

>>4992613

There's a selfcest route?!

>>4992469
Keep on reading.
The second scenario, Unlimited Blade Works has Archer's role somewhat in the center.
There also only one sex scene, and it's kind of normal compared to the others

>>4992623
Being spoiled on that is a pity.
But more than anything, while each route is about Shirou in the end, in UBW it is even more so.

>>4992623
Sort of.

>>4992623
Each route focuses on a team.

>>4992623
It's a joke about how Archer has a central role in the second route even though Rin the heroine only has one sex scene compared to the other heroines.

>>4992615
Yeah, about that... her relation to Shirou is closer than you think.

>>4992663
That is exactly it, actually.
[spoiler[adopted brother she has not ever met is not really a shining brocon example[/spoiler]

>>4992663

Oh gods.

Convulated plotlines? She's his daughter from the future? Long lost sibling? The child prostitute he fucked a few years back?

>>4992777
You remember Kiritsugu, Shirou's father, who adopted him after saving him in the flashback you have surely seen a few times?
Well, he had a daughter whom he could not see anymore. That was simple, wasn't it?

>>4992787

Well thats crazy shit.

>>4992793
Next thing you know, Shirou may get an expulsion at school!
Can you handle the drama?

>>4992801

OH SNAP YO!

I BEST MAKE A MILLION SWORDS FOR NO APPARENT REASON!

The best bit of UBW is the bad end where Rin gets he head punched clean off

I MEAN GODDAMN HER HEAD GETS PUNCHED CLEAN OFF JESUS CHRIST

>>4992955
Getting punched through the chest is even better.

>>4992960

Those poor poor tits...

>>4992987
Don't worry, that is for Shirou.

>>4992987

popping like overripe grapes under your boot

Wow Sabers become a moeblob....also WHAT MUSCLES?!

I HAVE MORE MUSCLE IN MY FUCKING ASS THAN SHE DOES IN HER ENTIRE BODY!

>>4993021
Sphincter muscle

>>4993021
Who needs muscles when you have magic energy fueled jet propulsion?

>>4993031

But no seriously. She claims to be muscled and toned?

She isn't...she's..all soft and squishy like the Staypuft Marshmallow man

>>4993021
Well you don't have a magic scabbard that keeps you permanently the age you were on the day you drew the sword from the stone. Hence why Saber is flat and not old despite leading for years.

>>4993031
Oh yeah, she is also half doobie so her sphincter is prehensile.

>>4993049
Artist's limitations.
Assume she is tight like a female swimmer or something.

>>4993058

Artist limitations?

He could draw Hercules sporting enough muscle to pass as several Mr Universe contestants but couldn't give Saber just a bit of body msucle?

Even if you end up not liking the first route, at least read the second route.

Ok the girl just busted right through the GAR barrier and went into virtus territory.

Funny how her more epic moments all come AFTER she gets a good dicking.

>>4993086
Not skill wise.
He just wanted to draw cute girls no matter what.

>>4993224
You need a man's 'essence' to be GAR etc.

>>4993234

Becoming a hero completely under her own power, fighting in repeated holy grail wars purely for the sake of her country at the cost of her own life?

All the while being a total class act as monarch?

GAR doesn't begin to describe it. She's gone well past noblesse oblige, busted clean through GAR and is roaming around virtus territory and raiding its fridge.

>>4993247
Please stop using GAR and virtus, feels weird.
Well, if you liked it good for you.
Liked the ending yet?

>>4993255

not got that far yet. I'm commenting as I get through it.

>>4993247
Heh, read Fate/Zero afterwards. Alexander the Great and Gilgamesh both agree that she's the shittiest king imaginable because kings should enjoy themselves more than anyone else, not slave over for their people.

Incidentally, Arthuria faced rebellion while both Gilgamesh and Alexander had unwavering loyalty and trust of their people for that very reason. Arthuria alienated her people in her attempt to do the best for them.

>>4993271

It brings a tear to my eye.

>>4993271
Well to be fair, if your king has a space ship with nuclear arms and a weapon capable of cutting the world in two, would you rebel?

>>4993285
Nevermind not even Gods managing to 'put him in his place'

>>4993271
Alex and Gil aren't well suited to critique anyone on kingship themselves.

>>4993308
Technically, they never 'failed'.

>>4993315
A king that destroyed his own country and a King who's country couldn't persist past his death. Those are some pretty big failures there.

None of the three were perfect by any means.

>>4993332
Technically, Gil's country prospered during his reign.
And the fact that there was no leader like Alexander speaks volumes of him.

>a weapon capable of cutting the world in two
LOL Hyperbole

>>4993283
Well, you'll like Alexander's story more. A part of it is here, alongside his hijinxes (He gets more enthaustic and cheerful the more he learns about modern culture... Except he also tries to mail order bombers since he was impressed by their power. )

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero:Act_9_Part_5

>>4993350
Legends and myths thrive on that.

>>4993354
And yet it's just smidgeon above the power of Excalibur.

>>4993358
We've never seen it used at full power in any material, bro.

>>4993363
Yeah, sure. Full power.

Archer is still alive and evil?

And shoots swords, arrows and axes?

My head is full of fuck.

>>4993358
A smidgen? Can't even beat 5% Ea.

>>4993386
Dohohoho.

>>4993386
SSJ Aachaa.

This is what the Japanese really believed when Fate first came out.

>>4993363
To use Ea at full power Gilgamesh needs to recite Enuma Elis in full.

Nah, I'm just making shit up
>>4993386
Yeah, Archer special power is Independent Action which allows them to run amok without masters. However surviving the fight with Shirou, then Gilgamesh, then two days of prana deprivation was kind of pushing it.

>>4993402
He is not in UBW yet.

>>4993402
He's reading Fate bro, no UBW.

>>4993393
>5% Ea
>disregarding the fact that on Gilgamesh's fact sheet, it states that Ea is only a bit above Excalibur or equal to it

I GUESS THAT MAKES EXCALIBUR'S OUTPUT ONLY AT 5 PERCENT TOO, AMIRITE?

>>4993407
>>4993409
Oh, the other Archer. Oops.

>>4993402
Archer might still have Avalon inside him. Considering it's the only reason Shirou manages to overcome Archer with no contract with Saber and the fact that Saber touching Irisviel heals her of life threatening wounds because she has Avalon inside of her and Saber's presence makes it easier for her to stay conscious with all the spirits taking over her, makes a theory for why Archer doesn't keel over after taking GoB in the face.

>>4993414
If I recall, Ea maximum power is 4000+ compared to Excalibur's 800, but that 800 may quadruple under special (and unstated) conditions.

>>4993414
You must've missed the scene in F/HA where Ea begins to rend the fabric of space itself.

>>4993433
Archer died and was resummoned. Avalon isn't a part of his myth. He shouldn't be summoned with a copy of Avalon.

>>4993414
superior = only a bit above now?

Read the fight between them again, Excalibur never stands a chance.

>>4993440
F H/A is a dream world

Ea can rip apart Reality Marbles. It's not enough to wreck the world itself.

>>4993445
Don't shoot the messenger. That's what the fact sheet says. And still, it's just a bit above.

>>4993255
>>4993247
The term GAR isn't that well liked after /m/ ruined it with their "hot blooded GAR".
Seeing as you mention virtus though I believe you are reffering to the virtus definition of protecting people and to not give up when faced with hardship.

Yes Saber is quite GAR, she is based on Arthur after all, and what is unique to her in f/sn also contribute some.
But just you wait until you read more about Archer, Archer is still the source and I still have a hard time thinking of a character fulfilling the traits more than him.

>>4993443
Didn't Kiritsugu meld it with his spirit though?

>>4993464
To the physical body of Shirou.
Anyway, Archer for whatever reason does not have it.

>>4991675
>>4992323
GAHAHAHA, targets!

>>4993459
But that's what it does. It's the Star of Creation that Splits Apart Heaven and Earth, an anti-world-level Noble Phantasm, and its power IS the power to distort space itself.

>>4993476
hurr

>>4993478
Hyperbole and titles do not translate to actually doing the job. Just look at the Sword of Promised Victory. It's not always victorious.

>>4993461

You mean Rins Archer who is dead and could summon lots of swords like the current one but didn't just spray them everywhere?

>>4993478
It's just some people think 'Anti-World' means 'Split Earth like an apple in one single hit' for whatever reason, while these classifications in all NPs mostly describe the function/scope of damage.

>>4993487
You'll see.

>>4993476
I've always wanted Rance to invade the Nasuverse as a Servant, just for lulz.

>>4993487
Yep.

You know what, if you read UBW, post your impressions again.
We can make a drinking game out of it too.

>>4993499

Drink for every weapon archer makes?

Even my bionic liver would seize up

>>4993487
Yes.

Both Archers have a lot of swords for different reasons though. The golden one actually conquered the entire world. The sword spray isn't really a weapon in itself (the "Gate of Babylon" is a small sword-shaped key), it's just a gate to his treasure vault, which holds every notable weapon ever made during his time since at one point he was the owner of everything on Earth.

>>4993495
Rin summons Rance as Archer. Meanwhile,Shirou summons Sill as Caster.


Hilarity ensues.

>>4993509
Nah, start a thread before you read and we will come up with rules.
One of my personal favorite chain of threads was a guy doing that for the third route of F/SN and the whole of tsukihime.

>>4993437
That was what Gil could do with it.
>>4993459
It was stated that only gods could use Ea, Gil may not be one but he was still 2/3 divine and thus he could use it to some extent.
In it's myth it played part in the creation of the world and it sliced existence aka reality.

This divine origin aspect of it gives it a higher mystic rank than Excalibur, the sword capable of cutting through anything and being able of cleaving the sky and mountain tops of the horizon.
The higher mystic rank of Ea made it possible for it to deflect Excalibur.

>>4993495
Have some fact sheet for Rance.
Class: Saber
True Name: Rance
Gender: Male
Height & Weight: 173 cm 65 kg
Attribute: Neutral Evil
Strength: A
Endurance: EX
Agility: B
Mana: A
Luck: S-EX
Noble Phantasm: A
Riding: B
Talent to ride vehicles. Experienced with many automobiles and animals.
Presence Concealment: B
Talent at stealth operations. Suited for sneaking up on people, even trained ninja and warriors.
Libido: EX
He can't stop himself from violating female Masters and Servants after winning a battle while the coast is clear. Even during a raging battle, he sometimes cannot help himself.
Skills:
Instinct: B
Mana Burst: A
Charisma: A+
Defense from Projectile Weapons: C
Strength: A
Independent Action: A
Noble Phantasms:
Hyper Weapon - The Weapon that Pierces the Heavens
Rank: EX
Type: Anti-female Servant/Support Noble Phantasm
Range: 1
Maximum Target: 1
A weapon that can turn any female Servant subservient to Rance. The release of its Imperial Juice incapacitates any female Servant it floods into, automatically cancelling any bond the Servant may have had towards its Master. It makes the Servant it controls more powerful by one rank in all stats. It also fully energizes Rance after violating any female Servant with Divinity.
Demon Sword Chaos - The Sword that Thirsts for Demon Blood
Rank: C
Type: Anti-personnel Noble Phantasm
Range: 1 ~ 2
Maximum Target: 1
A legendary sword that can immobilize the enemy it pierces by spiritual tentacle violation of their inner organs. Can be thrown with ease. Very heavy and only the select few can wield it.
Rance Attack - The Special Move Rance Made All By Himself
Rank: B
Type: Anti-Army Noble Phantasm
Range: 1 ~ 50
Maximum Target: 300
Depending on Rance's level as long as it's over 50 and the opposing enemies' defense, he can defeat masses of troops with one swing that is basically a heavy mana blast.
First target is 5th Rider. Gotta plan well so he doesn't get petrified.

>>4993515
>Rin summons Rance as Archer. Meanwhile,Shirou summons Sill as Caster.
So Shirou automatically loses the Grail War?

>>4993527
Rance is Chaotic Neutral, Chaotic Evil perhaps, but definitely not Neutral on the Law-Chaos scale.

>>4993538
Well, he harms people and follows his own whim and desires without regard for either law or chaos. That's pretty Neutral to me.

>>4993546
>>4993538

Sorry Rance is definitely Chaotic Neutral.

He follows only his own desires with no regard to anything else.

>>4993538
Probably Chaotic Neutral with Evil tendecies. He doesn't give a shit about law, but prefers to be cooperative if he can.

>>4993532
No, hilarity ensues.

Remember, so long as Shirou can shout about justice he can''t really die. And also, Sill's presence will be like Enkidu's in Fate/Strange Fake, Rance's objective(in addition to fucking every decent looking thing with a vagina) will center around her.

>>4993546
>without regard for either law

We call that "Chaos"

He follows his own rule, to fuck as many women as possible, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Chaotic Evil.

>>4993551
Fucking this forever.
/tg/ spent days and nights discussing his alignement and Chaotic Neutral is the final verdict.

>>4993564

No he doesn't display malicious intent.

He just enjoys fucking.

>>4993564
>to fuck as many women as possible, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
Did he fuck Hibachi?
No.
He could do whatever he wanted but he gave her back to Kazemaru for no apparent reason.

>>4993564
He prefers to be gentle, even if doing so makes fucking the woman more difficult. Not Evil.

Should Sill die, on the other hand...

>>4993564
Chaotic Evil wants to wreck the world, enslave entire peoples, turn them into livestock, etc.

Rance does not reach CE until you give him the Bad End of turning into a Demon King in Kichikuou.

>>4993532

Well yeah, he summoned Caster

That may as well be an auto-loss in the grail war

>>4993565
Well, you know, he is willing to be quite ruthless and has done evil actions, thus as slaughter children(no I'm not speaking of THOSE fuckers), rape women, kill thousands of innocent people, I'd say he's neutral evil.

Unless you define evil as HURR DURR IM SO EVIL XD, in which case NO ONE is truly evil.

>>4993575
No. Rance did fuck Hibachi. If Rance didn't fuck Hibachi, she wouldn't have known how to fuck Akashi.

She did know, because Rance taught her how to. She lived in Rance's mansion for fuck's sake. She was definitely fucked.

>>4993588
He is Not Neutral(as the whole Neutral Evil/good or True Neutral spectrum)

>>4993580
Caster is an awesome class if you are (and the Servant is) okay with killing Masters. And Casters are scheming fucks so they'll be more than likely to cooperate.

>>4993588
Nobody is really arguing about whether or not he's evil. Rance is chaotic. Not neutral, not lawful, chaotic, because he doesn't give two fucks for law and order.

>>4993575
>Did he fuck Hibachi?
>No.
Huh?

Not bothering to read the thread here, but Nasu didn't really want to pull the genderswap BS. In the original prototype, Saber was a man and Shirou was a girl. Someone drew Saber as a girl and then LOLMONEYDOWANTPROMOTIONS.

But come on. Arthur is Public Domain, let the nips have their fun.

>>4993590
Blowjob is not fucking.
She was still a virgin when he gave her to Kazemaru.

>>4993593
Neutral evils do anything they want, whenever they want. They are basically Chaotic Neutrals.

However, Neutral Evils will use government when it suits them and destroy it when it doesn't suit them.

Chaotics don't like order at all, of any kind.

Rance still enjoys order.

>>4993599

Not Canon

>>4993597
He would give two fucks if Law and Order were cute girls though.

>>4993588
>Unless you define evil

What is evil? A miserable little pile of arbitrary distinctions.

But enough monologue, have at you.

>>4993607
Hibachi WOULD NOT know how to have sex if Rance did not stick his Hyper Weapon inside her.

She didn't even know what a blowjob was. She was only programmed to fight. The other Nuhe didn't even know how to eat.

>>4993599
This only happens when Akashi gets conquered and you retake their territory, thus only when Kazemaru is wiped out of the game completely.
Not canon.
Picture related- it's the only thing Rance does to her.

>>4993604

FUCK THE NIPS!

>>4993597
Rance unites countries and uses organizations like the Keith guild when it suits him.

He's Neutral-Evil.

You wanna see a chaotic character, just look at Lina Inverse. Hates staying in one place for too long, doesn't like order in the slightest, just does what she wants, and refuses offers to join organizations of any kind.

>>4993630
gb2>>4993618
Why are you in denial? Kazemaru would never have been aggressive towards Hibachi sexually. In which case, Hibachi approached him first.

The Nuhe have no programming other than to fight, and Hibachi went to have sex with Kazemaru with no such knowledge? Hibachi wouldn't know where the right hole was if Rance did not teach her how to do so.

LOL, admit it, Rance fucked her hard. It's impossible for Rance to not fuck her.

>>4993618
Kazemaru mentions something like "So that's why she used her mouth".
Why would she use the mouth? Becaus it's the only thing she knew to do in this situation. We can assume she taught the rest herself since she wasn't programmed to love either.

Neutral Evil?

More like best alignment

>>4993649
She can't teach herself what she doesn't know. And what she has for Kazemaru is not love. It's loyalty. Like Kurumi from Steel Angel Kurumi.

Nuhe don't even know how to eat for fuck's sake.

>>4993647
Kazamaru says "Thanks for taking care of Hibachi", indicating that Rance didn't fuck her.

I just think Rance likes straight shotacon, is all.

>>4993664
lol, her loyalty towards him is the same thing as love. Play Akashi in FFA(if you're MAN ENOUGH), she's totally dere-dere for him, not LOYAL towards him.

>>4993664
>And what she has for Kazemaru is not love. It's loyalty

>>4993667
>Rance not fucking Hibachi because some kid says he took care of her
You know that Rance fucked Ran hard and Souun calls that taking care of Ran.

This is JAPAN.

>>4993674
>>4993675
She was programmed to be loyal to the Akashi head. If the Akashi head was another man, they would "love" that man instead.

That's how these robot women work. Steel Angel Kurumi showed how programs just stay loyal dere dere with one master then to the next.

I know it's sad, but that's how it is. Considering this is Ranceverse, I'm pretty sure that's how it'll work.

>>4993678
The difference here is that we saw Rance fuck the shit out of Rin. Multiple times, in fact.

All we saw Rance do to Hibachi was make her give him a blowjob.

So we NEVER see Rance fuck Hibachi canonically, and there is text to suggest that the blowjob is all that happened....

and yet you still argue that he fucked her?

>>4993678
Just fucking accept that Kazemaru got his semi-pure artificial lifeform waifu in the end and Rance is soft deep inside.

>>4993684
Hahahah, how cute. But WRONG! She shows affection towards Kazemaru, much more than the typical I AM LOYAL ROBOT MASTER I SHALL COMMENCE THE SUCKING OF YOUR PENIS shenanigans.

>>4993687
It is implied in the game that Rance fucked Natori a lot, yet we don't see scenes of it happening a lot as well. Hibachi was inside Rance's mansion and was willing to do anything that Rance wanted. If you don't think Rance fucked her there, you're quite naive.

>>4993689
He got a waifu, true. She is pure in her intentions. But she got fucked.

>>4993701
Watch Steel Angel Kurumi season 1 and 2. Same shit. They were even more dere for their master than Hibachi was.

>>4993689
Rance can be soft. But he also can become the CRUELEST DEMON KING EVER, remember?

>>4993701
Purefag denialfaggotry full force.

>>4993715
That's great, but there is nothing to indicate that if Kazemaru died and some other bloke was the master of the house, that she'd just move on and be dere with him.

>>4993723
Cool ad hominem, bro.

>>4993729
Hibachi's program is to be loyal to the Akashi head. If Kazemaru dies, that may well be the case.

>>4993704
Let's look at it from a technical point of view- why would Alicesoft make two H scenes for the same-extremely minor- character?
Should Rance fuck her couldn't they just use the same scene as when Kazemaru is absent?

>>4993580
I don't know about Sill, but I have gotten the impression that Caster may very well be the class with highest chance of winning the war as long as Caster survives long enough.
In both f/sn and f/z they were vulnerable because of how all other magi are at least familiar with magic and how their workshops are prone to being found.

They did however grow more and more powerful as time went. The Caster class might be weaker than other servants and they might have vulnerabilities such as leaving magical traces and so on, however as they are able to manipulate magic on an unrivaled level, they don't have the same limitations as all others have and given time they can utalize that potential.

>>4993735
Note well how the difference between Hibachi and the other Nuhes, though.

The other Nuhes have no emotion. There's scenes of Kazemaru spending time with various Nuhes, nothing doing from them.

With Hibachi, he orders her to live, and finally basically orders her to have free will.

As a result, she's WAAAAAAAY more emotional and does indeed have free choice.

Not quite a programmed robot, I think.

>>4993740
That scene was in an Akashi medical warehouse. Rance doesn't have that warehouse in his mansion. At least fucking gunner girl in the battlefield had an excuse, there's a battlefield everywhere.

And Hibachi lived in Rance's Playboy Mansion.

The Rance alignement thing and the Rance good or evil thing can derail most threads.

>>4993756
If Kazemaru dies, Hibachi's primary command line is to obey the Akashi head. It does not matter if Hibachi even learns to love Kazemaru. Her loyalty will make her love the successor soon enough. As long as it's the family head, they will fight for him and die for him if need be.

>>4993763
>THE BACKGROUND IS DIFFERENT DURR
That's a pretty farfetched argument there.
They could make one scene with a different background.

>>4993774
That's just a baseless assertion from you, she was ordered to live.

Now, remember, she fled(and eventually surrendered) when Rance came. because of this order. If what you say is true, and that her primary order is to "serve the head", she shouldn't be surrending, but rather, looking for Kazamaru or the next in line.

She DIDN'T though, showing that she does have free will.

>>4993741


Yeah seems caster may be the most powerful but they can't charge straight in and need to take extreme care.

>>4993800
Her order to live WAS AN ORDER FROM THE FAMILY HEAD. Which is equal to serving the family head.

If she disobeyed that command, then she would not be serving the family head at all.

>>4993800
BTW, it's OBEY THE FAMILY HEAD, not SERVE. I can see what you're doing here, liberal scum.

>>4993814
Well, if Sill was Caster, Shirou probably loses if Rance sticks his Hyper Weapon in her.

>>4993716
> But he also can become the CRUELEST DEMON KING EVER, remember?
I thought that only happens when Sill dies. And Lina in Slayers basically did the same thing when she thought Gourry was dead.

>>4993842
Well, not _exactly_ the same thing, but similar. And Lina probably would go crazy if Gourry died.

>>4993839

Nah Shirou loses automatically.

"I HAVE NO NEED FOR MEN! SILL KILL HIM!"

"*sob* yes master..."

*Sill kills Shirou*

>>4993866
You're forgetting Shirou's command spells. Well, until Rance fucks Sill, at least.

>>4993872

Rance has that slave collar thing on Sill though.

Every time I think back to that sex scene....I just break out in hysterical laughter.

What was the writer thinking?

>>4993901
Too many hysterical sex scenes to know which one you're referring to.

>>4993932

The "YOU NEED TO RECHARGE SABERS MAGICAL ENERGY...WITH YOUR DICK!" one

>>4993901
I would rate it to be the weirdest and in my opinion worst ero scene in entire f/sn, it's also kind of funny as it is the first one.
That said the others aren't that great either, the only one that's decent is the one in UBW, and that is because that one had the least bullshit attached to it.

>>4993942
>"YOU NEED TO RECHARGE SABERS MAGICAL ENERGY...WITH YOUR DICK!"

>>4993947
Either way you shouldn't read f/sn for the porn (really who would?), but erotic scenes that aren't aiming for it shouldn't make you laugh, that is just... bad.

>>4993947

It's just so fucking bizarre.

Really jarring and you wait for Rin to say "Just kidding" and then when she starts working Saber over you're thinking "She's going to say she just wanted to fuck Saber before she died or something..."

But no it's deadly serious all the way through and you laugh at the insanity.

>>4993957

I couldn't help myself from laughing.

I've seen bad porn plots but fucking hell that one was insanity.

>>4993942
Saber's gonna get Hyper Weapon'd

>>4993527
>Rance
>Luck: S-EX
oicwutudidthere

>>4993973

That Inperial Juice must certainly be recharging.

"I FEEL LIKE I COULD USE A HUNDRED NOBLE PHANTASMS NOW!"

>>4993971
I know, it's so bizzare and bad at the same time that you can't help but laugh. I actually don't have that much against the whole "mana recharge through sex" thing, that actually has some mythological connection.
This however is just bad, sudden and bizarre.

>>4994000

Like I said I kept waiting for the "Just kidding. Ahaha"

>>4993977
Rance could probably win the entire Grail War with just that.

You know...Sabers wish would cause a massive change to the history of the British Isles...and cause a time paradox.

She is incredibly selfish isn't she...

Oh sweet Omnissiah...now that I think about it she's evil!

She'll destroy the universe or at least the world! Most of the cast may never exist as a result of her wish!

>>4994042

THE LE FAY'S WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG

Gilgamesh is a total ass...

>>4994042
Knowing it's a multiverse it would most likely just end up as another timeline/world.
But yes you are quite right, through her logic she is just making up for what shouldn't have happened, in a way she sees it as a favor to everything/everyone that were to come after, as she is confident in that everything should have been better that way.
Shirou however points out how she isn't thinking of everyone that supported her until the end and the ones that praised her as a spectacular ruler, both during the time she actually ruled and people who praised her afterwards, he pretty much stated that it was selfish not to consider them and their feelings even if she only wished for their best

When she says that Shirou is her sheath I can't help but think of futa Saber fucking him in the ass...

Oh yes.

>>4994310
Prepare for the next h-scene.

King Arthur knows how to please a man

>>4994316

Oh dear...

Weeeeell now....Shirous is about as smooth as coarse sandpaper...

Also has Saber been taking lessons in "dirty talkin" from Rin or something?

>>4994386
People generally just consider the second saber scene and Rin's scene in ubw to be character changes.

You expect Saber to be all shy during sex and Rin to by a nympho.

>>4994424

Well Saber is a bit shy but she obviously wants it. So far anyways. How many scenes will I get out of her?

>>4994444
This is the last one, but you get a scene where caster tortures her sexually with magic in ubw.

>>4994452

So I only get two scenes out of her? Sucks

>>4994533
Well, F/sn isn't really about the porn. you get 2 technically out of Rin, maybe 3 if you count the her warming up Saber in the very first scene and 3 out of Sakura.

I wonder if you're going to get bad end 13 without even trying.

>>4994548

Sakura has a route?

I haven't even seen her in an insanely long time...

>>4994635
Yeah, she's out of the picture for most of the first two routes. Her route is supposed to surprise you a lot.

Ok so the priest is a master too...a cunning one at that.

Fuck it I'm giving up on this for tonight.

>>4994749
Did saber just kill you?

>>4994772

Uh no.

Lancer stabbed me though when I found all the living dead things