/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Wait, what? I don't get it. Who the fuck is the OP?

>>4928432
In the previous episode of "Hatsukoi Drama Project" we-proletariat decided to overthrow tyranny of Ruskies and 'Get Shit Done'

>>4928432
I always assumed it was just spam/meme.

Also thank those anons who hacked the game files so we could extract the text and those who hacked it again so we could have text that looks good.

We'll need their work too.

>>4928432
OP is phone.

This is what happens when you guys don't organize yourself properly. At least get yourself an irc channel where you can discuss issues directly.

>>4928555
>organize
>discuss
>irc channel
Nah

>>4928567
Enjoy your slow disorganized project then.

>discuss what needs to be accomplished

retranslate the first 1000-something lines of anzu.

It's funny how this thread is a total foil of the other one.
At least the sense that now all sage posts are Cudder trying to troll the project, rather than the other way around.

>>4928907
Again? That was retranslated by Lennar already.

>>4929116

No the trolls in this one are the same as the trolls from the previous one.

>>4931565
Hi Cudder!

>>4928273

My (biased) 2c:

Get some sort of a wiki (or a static page, at the very least) that has authoritative info on what's happening first. I bet half the people reading this are utterly confused (myself included).

Also, please don't fall into the trap of trying to discuss every little thing - get something going first, then listen to feedback. TLwiki, svn server (I could help with hosting, actually if you go that route), some custom webface, whatever - just get it going before you lose momentum.

>>4928454
I also thought this was spam

>>4931617
Sorry wrong troll.

This is why we can never have nice things /jp/. There are to many people on 4chan who just want to cause grief and fuck stuff up.

...what.

Its called a fork.

>>4928273
Well, anyone actually got the extracted scripts? I'm sure Cudder now had anticipated such an insurrection and has them under lock and key by now.

Russians have no natural politeness and seem to lack the natural carriage that lubricates most normal social interactions. This is their downfall. What they see a OK and logical is taken as rudeness and a screw you attitude by any anyone from any western nation and most eastern ones.

>>4931883
That may be very well true, but there was no hint of "OK and logical" in much of Cudder's actions.

>>4931916
But to them it does. They wonder why people have difficulty with interacting them.

>>4928273

Complementary bump. Major props if you actually manage to take the fork off the ground.

>>4931883
Stop trying to accost Russians on the street and they'll stop being taciturn with you.

Get invited into a Russian home and you'll be treated as though you were family, provided you're not a douchebag.

Not saying that Slavs are any good, but they are capable of genuine hospitality.

Good work guys.

This is what happens when you stick here for the whole planning. Same thing with that VN project that some other users are trying to raise.

Posting about it and seeking help here is fine, but fucking get a webspace to organize your shit. Hell, the other day I was skimming through /a/ and saw a group of people trying to organize a new translation group for the new Haruhi novel (since BK died). They already have a webspace up, and that is only like 3 people and they did it in 2 days.

I say this because I actually want those projects to succeed. I love that you guys are trying to help the rest of us that still can't properly read Japanese, and I love that you are doing this to help a community like /jp/ that is quite hostile.

Bottom line, get a fucking webspace.

Good work faggots, now you've managed to confuse the fuck out of everyone even mor.

>>4932442
Go delete your thread then, Cudder.

You guys should just try to put it up on tlwiki.

>>4932348
Hospitality in the home has noting to do with this. Even jungle gigaboos are very gracious hosts.

>>4932426
>>4932442

I don't mind giving them a day or two to get their crap together and prove they aren't just trolling...

anarchy never worked

>>4932509

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Hatsukoi&action=edit

>>4930657
I kind of skimmed through it. It could be a lot better. If you'd like I can go through it more thoroughly once more.

I completely agree with what >>4931664 says. We need to get something going where we can discuss. This is a /jp/ project, but that doesn't mean that everything HAS to be located on this board.

>>4932426
Agreed!!

For now what should we do about this problem? Does anyone have any good ideas for a webpage for the project?

Seriously, I wonder how long you'll last.

get a IRC Channel going on rizon

>>4932611

>>4931664 again here.

I'd actually love to help, but I'm already busy enough with F/HA.

But if somebody (Lennar?) commits to pulling this through for a few days, I'll be glad to help sort out the technical part, at least.

For now, on TLwiki... just copy/paste any other project's front page and use it as template (hell, use one from F/HA, I'll be flattered). Ask #tlwiki for help if you need it.

>>4932695
I'm willing to commit for a couple days, school's not too busy right now. I'm not sure how much I can help though, but if there's anything I can do please let me know.

Thank you for taking the time to help us as well!

>>4932695
TLwiki trying to assimilate independent projects into their monopoly? No thanks, let's keep this for /jp/.

>>4932611
My internet/computer ability is 0. I'll have to ask someone else who knows more how to do that. Looks like somone started a site here >>4932589

Anyone know how to start uploading files there? I think that's where we need to start.

yeah just use tlwiki, christ
that's what it's for

>>4932778
I put together a basic front page there but it's pretty sparce.

I have to get back to school. I'll probably be back in around 4 hours.

>>4932808

Ah, great. Exam time for me, too, but I'll try to throw some stuff in.

Uploading files shouldn't be a problem, I just haven't tried it yet on mediawiki (F/HA is mostly offsite). Hold on...

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Hatsukoi

>>4928269
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I have no idea what's been going on, but at least keep the project running till the summer where some translators like myself finally have time to jump in. Also I disapprove of merging with TLWiki as it'll no longer be regarded as a /jp/ project. /jp/ has yet to contribute anything to the world and it's about fucking time. What was wrong with the other site?

>>4933018
1. Bitching about the management.
2. Shills from TLwiki trying to extend the monopoly they have.

>>4933033
Whatever. I'll stick with RETrans. It'll be retarded to switch systems midway through, especially since it's implementation of the online translation into the game is already shown to be a simple task.

>>4933033
Who the fuck is Shills?

>>4933018

It's just a damn wiki host, if a VN-friendly one. It doesn't even force editors to register.

>>4933018
I agree 100% about not wanting it to be a tlwiki project but primarily because all the tlwiki projects I've seen died. tlwiki is for chumps

Wait, you guys actually threw off the retrans shackles?

>>4933109

TODO:

- Make a big "Not a TLwiki project!" notice on the front page

>>4933033
>Shills from TLwiki trying to extend the monopoly they have
More like sensible people telling you to do things in a way that actually makes sense

It's not tlwiki in particular that's being recommended here, it's the idea of just using a wiki instead of this overly complicated and way over-engineered "retrans" bullshit

for all I care you can go and start a /jp/ translation wiki or something, just stop making dumb bullshit like "retrans" (and hosting it on freewebs or whatever, holy shit)

If a wiki isn't set up and run correctly it soon fills with spam for Chinese penis pill and other products. Right on top of all your important stuff. Wikis are not plug, play and forget. They also are CPU hogs or were last time I screwed with one. Just saying.

>>4933091
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shill

>>4933524
Ah, never heard that word before. The more you know~

>>4933264
... so use tlwiki, which is set up properly, is well-maintained, and is hosted on a robust server and not some fucking "Build Your Own Website" free bullshit
jesus, how simple can this get?
enough with the fucking politics, just get this shit done with

>>4933264
Good thing we have things like tlwiki and wikia.

The basic page is up. See if there's stuff you can add to it.

I don't think just uploading raw CSV files is gonna cut it, though - there's a ton of unneeded stuff and it's easy to break. I'll convert a few scripts to this template:

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Category:Script_Table

and see how it goes (Symphonic Rain seems to be using it, btw...)

>>4933596
Well, Wikia is probably a bad idea since they'll get riled over copyright status of scripts etc.

>>4933645
Nice. I hope you guys can overthrow that dictator Cudder once and for all so we can all work together again in harmony.

>>4933657

I've not been following the threads closely, but it sounds like Cudder/lolita & Co. have put a fair bit of work into making translation possible in the first place, too. Give credit where it's due.

>>4933647

Yeah, exactly my concern, too. Most other hosts won't bother with fine details of copyright law/derivative works/fair use, they'd probably just shut the whole thing down the moment they find it and see a reference to a commercial work.

>>4933657
Cudder is a faggot. Have a bump.

>>4933725
Yeah, there is no translation project if it weren't for her.

>>4933725
>Give credit where it's due.
Cudder has yet to praise anyone for anything, so I won't be giving that faggot my credit.

>>4932458
NO U

It's almost amusing to watch you guys, acting like kids who've run away from home.

And all of you working with REtrans, our official thread is >>4933592.

>>4933725
Cudder made retrans. Cudder deserves nothing.

my face when I saw 7K of structured data as plaintext on a fucking wiki page.

OMG WAT IZ CSV!?!?

<ranmafan - 3:25am > gotta go get popcorn

Aha, so you were TLWiki spy in our midst all this time, eh?

Retrans = pile of shit.

>>4933827
>TLwiki = pile of shit.

>>4933827
Windows = TLwiki
OS X = Mangagamer
Linux = REtrans

>>4933836
>I don't know what the fuck am I talking about

>>4933840
>implying you do

>>4933836
YEAR OF THE RETRANS TRANSLATION

>>4933836
No Linux isn't a pile of shit actually.

>>4933836
>retrans has Programing......... therefore it is linux

holy lol

>>4933843
>implying I don't

>>4933825

Yeah, that kinda sucked. Thus >>4933645

TLwiki: has a monopoly just like Windows, most people use it, but is occasionally SUPPORT JAST USA's OFFICIAL LOCALIZATIONS OF NITRO+ GAMES!

Mangagamer: For those who want their VNs to just work.

REtrans: Unpolished, free, but standards-compliant and somewhat difficult to use.

>>4933836
I now have this mental picture of Moogy shouting TRANSLATORS TRANSLATORS TRANSLATORS and Cudder as RMS.

>>4933856
>TLwiki: has a monopoly
There is crapload of projects unrelated to TLWiki
>Mangagamer: For those who want their VNs to just work.
How is related to fantranslations?
>REtrans: free
As opposed to what exactly?

>>4933856
TLwiki: is run by people who actually know Japanese and how translation works; works simply and without obfuscation, and yet lets users dive into and change literally anything in the script - "linux"

retrans: is run by a shithead who knows neither how to organize a team effort nor even the basic premises of translation and how wrong his entire paradigm of development is - not even an operating system, it wouldn't even fucking boot

mangagamer - does their thing behind closed doors and releases products that by and large are good but have some problems as well; used to suck shit in the past but have improved - "os x"

I don't know what the shit are happening in here. But from my speculations from a 3rd person view it seems that TLwiki is just a bunch of assholes.

>>4933878
Only Moogy is an asshole. The rest are bros.

>>4933878
TLwiki is a website and a tool for VN translation. Saying it's "a bunch of assholes" doesn't make sense. If you mean its supporters on /jp/ (such as me), maybe, but 1) we have a right to be raging because retrans is so fucking terrible and 2) that shouldn't affect your perception of the tool itself and its efficacy

>>4933869
Those who choose Mangagamer pay the Apple tax.

>>4933881
Ohai you forgot your image.

>>4933862
lol

>>4933811
YOU pre-empted MY project. I was the one who started this if you can't seem to remember,about nine months ago when I said that this is the best incest game I've ever played and gave it a 10/10.

Then I said I'd be willing to translate if someone were to get the text files from the game, after a week or more of effort a bunch of anonymous hackers did the job, then you preempted it and took it for your website.

As far back as your threads go.

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/3247959

Oh hey look, there's me, Incest guy, there's no Cudder, no lolita, no retrans website. Just me, promising I would help translate if someone were to extract the text. Then I was politely shoved off the project because my translations weren't good enough. That's fine, I'm not the best, others have picked up where I left off.

This projects was OURS from the beginning, my original intention was to share text files with each other with mediafire and fix problems as we went along which I'm perfectly willing to do again.

Don't act like this project is yours just because you built a website for it. Sure, your website works, great, we're done with it now, why? Because you harass us and we don't like it. Thanks.

>>4933895
>your website doesn't work, terrible, we're done with it now
fixed

>>4933895
His website has never worked, it's why I quit editing. It's a horrible, clumsy interface.

>>4933895
Actually I was there from the beginning, and made several posts toward the end of the thread. REtrans International hadn't been formed at that time.

And I agree, this project isn't entirely mine --- it was founded on "for Anonymous, by Anonymous". We are only the localization technology provider.

>>4933916
It's about to get better: >>4933592

>>4933921
You are unneeded and unwanted. Go away.

>>4933930
Why so serious?

>>4933933
OK.

>>4933921
You are unwanted and needed, lol. Go away, lol.

>>4933930
Just like idoltards.

>>4933950
>just like
>same as idoltards
Oh you. Fixed.

Jesus fucking christ, why the fuck is there so much drama and butthurt? This is a translation project here, the main point is to get a Visual Novel translated from Japanese to English. And how did this all start? HURR THE MANAGER GOT MAD AT THE TRIP FRIEND TRANSLATOR. LET'S REVOLT. What the fuck? The truth of the matter is that the trip friend DID in fact jack up the database.

Take this for example, you're working at Amazon.com and your boss wants you to make a new sorting method. Fuck yes, you made the most efficient, most elegant code evar, above and beyond what was requested. Things look good so far, you slip your wonderful code in and holy shit, the site's interface gets completely fucked up and Amazon has to go down for maintenance. Is your boss happy even though your code was so amazing the sacred light emanating from the scripts would make the Vedas hang it's pages in shame? Fuck no he wouldn't. Something fucked up and someone has to fix it. No doubt whoever that has to fix it is pissed too. But by the end of the day, when the site goes back up and running and the new sorting method pulls in several thousand loyal shoppers, your boss will no doubt give you a pat on the back.

This should be nothing more than a small hurdle. It's not like any work is being left unappreciated. Whoever inserted the text, your contribution and efforts will without a doubt be acknknowledged as the project continues on. TL checkers will thank you, editors will thank you, and of course the readers will thank you as well. And when the project finally finishes, the manager will thank all who contributed and that of course includes you.

Now for those who are complaining about the interface, it seems Cudder is actively trying to improve it, and if 100 line realtime insertions is implemented, there'd be no reason to use a wiki from a technical standpoint. I've translated over 5000 lines of Common (Will resume once summer hits) and the interface and the site are fine. It worked flawlessly no matter where I went, be it on my school campus or at home. Honestly, why the drama, why the butthurt, why the needless schism of the translation base that would effectively be detrimental to the overall progression and efficiency of the project? Quit the butthurt, suck it up, and let's get the project done. We're losing sight of the original goal here.

And I'm pretty sure over half of this nonsense are trolls just getting kicks by trying to kill this translation project.

I'm out for the day (or two).

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Hatsukoi:Scripts:common1

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Hatsukoi:Scripts:karin1

Looks reasonable enough to me, and most formatting errors are easy to spot (i.e. the table will break on preview). Might still be too big for one part, though.

If someone has a better idea for the format, though, do tell.

>>4934141
>>4934149
tl;dr

>>4934154
It seems that you derive pleasure from watching all this drama going on... but thanks for this anyway...

This game better be fucking amazing if its translation is causing this much fucking drama.

>>4934178
It's not. It's an old game with bad art and a bland storyline.

>>4934183

Then what's the point for all this bullshit?

Why aren't they translating something good?

>>4934216
I don't know, because the incest loli lobby is powerful I guess.

God damnit this better be good. I really hope this was worth it.

>>4934218

People really care about fucking their Loki fictional little sister that much?

Why not just download the CGs?

>>4934234
Because they need to read "oniichan it hurts" before they get hard I guess.

If incest was necessary, Sakura Musubi would've been a much better choice... Oh well, rest of this game shouldn't take too long to finish translating.

>>4934234
>loki little sister

>>4934149
Try it out:
http://retransintl.freewebhostx.com/transproj_ajax.PHP

(Submitting will not change anything even though the files are real --- refresh the page and all your changes will go away. This is just a beta test.)

>>4934744
>.PHP
did you fucking write this in microsoft notepad
also stop using "freewebhostx.com"
and, goes without saying, but stop being a pretentious faggot and issuing press releases about your shitty software

>>4934744
I don't really see any changes with this new release.

>>4934141

>your boss will no doubt give you a pat on the back.
sorry, are you really trying to make a serious analogy?
i lol'd
the chances of Cudder ever giving any positive feedback towards anyone are nonexistant

So how do you make it so that you can see the English and the Japanese side by side with this system.

>>4935401

>>4925635
>You don't even need to know Japanese to help improve the English text, so your participation is encouraged.

No, I mean, assuming you DO know Japanese, how do you make it so that you can easily scroll through both at once for ease of checking. I can't seem to figure out a way other than like, opening the English side, and then the Japanese side, and having to switch tabs and scroll down, which is a pain in the ass and makes the process take like 2-3 times longer

>>4935567
No shit. I was just pointing out what a colossal retard Cudder is.

Friendly bump.

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Hatsukoi

Is common route translated? I mean, with current patch can I complete the game by Anzu or Yusumi routes without seeing japanese text or should I wait more?

>>4937105
Yup. You can go through two complete routes beginning to end.

Bump. A few more scripts uploaded, all need editing.

Lennar, what's your take - script template okay/not okay?

Whoever was asking about uploading files - "Upload file" link is at the bottom of the sidebar.

walkthrought anyone?

>>4935155
I don't know what the dev team uses, but what the fuck is wrong with notepad?

>>4935344
You shouldn't be seeing changes occur, submissions are just simulated.
>the chances of Cudder ever giving any positive feedback towards anyone are nonexistant
Actually, I was thinking of giving a little something to the translators when we did finish, but far from finishing, you've already jumped to conclusions. Also, it's "nonexistEnt".

>>4935401
>>4935567
Single-column editing view, which is going to be implemented, should make that possible, since 26-column-wide tables are not going to be very easy to use either.

>>4938561
I think it looks great, but just two things...

I'm not really sure how to edit and also the menu options seem to only being shown up in one language. Is there anyway to have both languages displayed for the menu selections as well?

>>4939551
lololol
I'm sorry you're really funny.
It's not jumping to conclusions when it's behavior that you've repeatedly shown.
Go enjoy your RETrans.
alone.

>>4941315
lololol
I'm sorry you're really funny.
Enjoy your inefficiency.
with TLwiki

>>4936195
Looking good. Anyone able to get more specific statics? MB/Lines/scripts translated, that sort of thing.

>>4941716
You need REtrans for that.

>>4941729
I'm pretty sure you can get mediawiki to do that for you. Some of the projects on TLWiki have it. Go look at some other pages' source code and see how they dealt with it. Of course, a little bit of programming work would be needed in either case.

>>4941315

Just click "edit" (the tab heading), same as any other page, you'll see the "actual" (well, processed) script.

For menus... After a short discussion on IRC, I figured just commenting out the original should work. I'll show what I mean in a moment.

If anyone has questions/ideas, feel free to come out on #tlwiki.

TLwiki shills are out in full force.

>>4941846
lol u mad, Cuuder?

>>4941835

Ok, this is what it I meant. See here:

http://tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=Hatsukoi:Scripts:common1

Say, you have the untranslated original:

{{**|23100|$menu 恥ずかしいよね,CMN0102_1a}}
{{**|23200|$menu 嬉しいよね,CMN0102_1b}}

I suggest commenting them out like this and adding a new line:

{{//|23100||$menu 恥ずかしいよね,CMN0102_1a}}
{{**|23100|$menu Embarrassed,CMN0102_1a}}
{{//|23200||$menu 嬉しいよね,CMN0102_1b}}
{{**|23200|$menu Happy,CMN0102_1b}}

Alternatively, we could just treat them like text lines (i.e. have JA/EN lines from the start), but then, they wouldn't stand out from the rest of the text, either...

>>4941744

I don't think it's mediawiki itself, actually - I assume people just run a bot that periodically pulls the scripts from the wiki, counts the lines, and updates a certain page.

Not a big deal, at any rate, I can look into it next week.

>>4941885
No, it's just very odd how it could get trolled so hard it fragments like this.

>>4941891
That's a good idea.

Is there any way to extract the current csv file from the wiki after updating it?

>>4941891

Oh, and yeah, sorry, the untranslated menu choices are missing from most parts, since I used the translated script as a base... I'll figure out a way to add them back in this weekend.

>>4941948
Feeling withdrawal symptoms already?

>>4941982
Nope.

Go fuck yourself, cunt.

>>4941948

I'll write another few scripts to merge everything back into the original CSV (and do some basic checks) this weekend... again, no issues there, processing CSV (and with line numbers, to boot) is about as easy as text processing goes.

>>4942004
Awesome! (´∀｀)b

>>4941994
Keep feeling rebellious, kid. See how far that attitude goes in getting you a job.

>>4942004
Or so you think.

>>4941982
>>4941994

Gentlemen...

>>4942014

At any rate, try making a few edits and see if it's not too slow (it only takes a second or two to render the table here, but I can see it possibly being a problem on older stuff). If it works, I'll upload the rest of the scripts the same way.

>>4942026
I've had multiple jobs with positive reviews from my employers. At my last job (although it was a small company) I was the most responsible one in the office and was put in a managerial position after about a year. And yes, this is in real life, Cudder, not some little power trip on the internet.

There's one other thing that pisses me off about you Cudder. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't like you is unemployed or something.

Honestly, pull your head out of your ass and get a job yourself. Stop pretending you're some super important CEO on the internet and go out and find some real work.

>>4942026
>job

>>4942198

Dude, don't take it seriously, just ignore him...

>>4942247
Sorry. (´・ω・｀）

Nice work, Lennar! 俺の分まで(,,ﾟДﾟ) ｶﾞﾝｶﾞﾚ!

What's with all the tripfags trying to make a name for themselves. Just fucking translate anonymously. 4chan is the wrong place to be looking for epeen. And wasn't this project meant to be for Anonymous from Anonymous?

You're so great Lennar!

>>4942303
>Hurr Anonymous is legion!

>>4942198
Now I understand. It's hard to go back to being a regular employee after you've become a manager. (Yes, I happen to be one IRL too.)

>>4942128
>second or two to render the table
ｗｗｗｗｗ

>>4942280
お、久しぶり！（｀・ω・´）ノ
Nefelpitouも手伝ってーｗｗ
私、最近学校始まったばっかでどれぐらいプロジェクトに参加できるかわか
らないし・・・

>>4942303

It's their choice. We shouldn't prevent people from contributing as Anonymous, but we shouldn't deny them credit, either.

>>4938963
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Milkyway-Vega/9557/kou-hatukoi-.html

When looking for VN walkthroughs, just google:
[Game Title] 　攻略　ルート

Game Title for obvious reasons
攻略 is walkthrough
ルート to eliminate retarded Chinese search results.
Always works.

And while I do know there's some stupid fuck split going on, please say which route the main translator here will do so that work done on the other side doesn't coincide with each other. That way at least more total game will be translated between the two sites.

>>4942380
( TДT)ｺﾞﾒﾝﾖｰ
俺も明日７時半からクラスあるんだよねぇ・・・
まぁ、寝る前にちょっとくらいだったら良いかも知んないけど多分ムリポヽ
(´・ω・｀)ﾉ

>>4942198
Don't worry, Cudder never accomplished anything. I'm still waiting for Anonix.

>>4942465
Da Capo, ArFigure, several more Mangagamer releases, Higurashi/HigurashiKai/Editorashi/Editorashi2.x, Hatsukoi, anything else I forgot?

Try again. Anonix only stalled because of a lack of programmers. HAHAHaruhi is in charge of that one now.

>>4942406
They may have translators, but so do we, and we also have the technology. RWI-AJAX, the leading-edge localization solution platform, very recently went into full deployment. And while the TLwiki side was still figuring out what the hell to do with the files, several hundred lines of KARIN were edited over here.

>>4942535
Jesus, why do you still bother filling every other post is filled with such weaksauce marketing bs? At this point, doesn't matter how good your system may be, no one is going to go back to being you translation slave until you show that you clearly and guilelessly show remorse for your actions.

>>4942535
>several hundred lines of KARIN were edited over here.
>several hundred
>check history
>65 lines have been translated

65 doesn't equal several hundred. might want to learn some math.

>>4942535
You also never finished the fansub of the 6.001 lectures that you were going to have dubbed in Japanese.

>>4942635
What do you mean by that? I didn't expel the translators, and I wasn't the one complaining about the quality. >>4934141 and >>4934149 explain it pretty well, and if Lennar was in my position I'm sure (s)he'd feel the same way.

>>4942642
translated != edited
and another batch of 128+ lines got put in.

>>4942535
Wait, does Cudder work for Mangagamer?
:psyduck:

>>4942303
No see that's retarded. Crowdsourcing translations = google translate.

>>4942895
Not as bad as you might think.

It even knows how to Americanize names!

>>4942979

Even a 1st-2nd year student armed with Rikaichan will do a far better job than any machine translation.

>>4942999
Google translate is vaguely heuristic but for the past few years they've literally been crowdsourcing their translations. Ever seen the "submit better translation" boxes? Yeah, people actually use those. And it makes google translate much worse, not better. Well, at least there's still ATLAS...

>>4942979
ANNE
COCONUT
KAREN
PEACH
YANCY

bumping because competition is good for getting shit done

>>4943073
Deny it all you want but that method actually works. There was an article about it in the New York Times that compared the official human translation of One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabrial Garcia Marquez and The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupery with the one by Google Translate and the one by Google Translate was every bit as good as the human translated versions.

The problem is few people care about translations of Japanese so they're not submitting translations like those of French and Spanish.

>>4945054
HAHAHA OWOW, HE THINKS EVEN ONE FAGGOT WILL BELIEVE THIS

>>4945075
Why don't you ... I dunno. LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/technology/09translate.html

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/09/technology/20100309-translate.html

>>4945075
It wouldn't be shocking, but European languages are structurally similar except for the symbol ordering. So transliteration with minor grammatical adjustments will suffice for a mostly decent translation.

But it is far more complex to automate a conversion between two drastically different symbol sets without loss of meaning. This becomes even more tricky when translating to a language used for explicit exchange of information, from a language where the meaning is generally implied.

So the "evidence" he describes to support his argument isn't even relevant whether it's true or not.

>>4945232
Not quite, compare Google Translate's version with versions from other companies, Google's version works, other companies do not.

bumping passed the /b/ spam

>>4945254
Notably, Babelfish is shit.

>>4945054
>Google Translate was every bit as good as the human translated versions.

No it fucking isn't. It loses all of the mood.

>>4946276

Also, even the short clips used in the article have inaccuracies. "Please" turns into "if it pleases you" and so on.

>>4945254
Google uses the same translations as ATLAS if I recall correctly, except the better translation bullshit.

No translation engine is almighty, using them in combination gets the best results. I've seen google translate spit out some random shit that babelfish did fine, it just depends.

>>4946284
That's actually correct, if just a bit more formal.

>>4945054
From a random article I was reading:

Original
本調査においては、男女の恋愛関係においてデートが果たす様々な影響が明
らかになったと同時に、間近に迫ったホワイトデーのデートプランが決め
られなかったり、デートプランを決めるのが苦手だったりという、“草食
”時代の男性像が浮き彫りになりました

My translation (human):
The survey brought to light several influences dating has for men and women in relationships. At the same time it also exposed the coming age of the male image being akin to "Herbivores" as indicated by men being unable to make any plans for a date or unskilled at making such dating plans this coming White Day.
(This article was written on March 11th by the way)

Google Translate
In this study, revealed at the same time they serve on various dates in the relationship between men and women, and White Day Rarenakatsu Detopuran determined forthcoming, it can decide not good Datsu Detopuran "grazing "age male figure to increase revenue

lol GOOGEL TRANSLAET

>>4946866
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Babelfish performs just a little better.

>>4946866
>"grazing " age
Grazing?

Fucking Janitor where?

>>4948480
Too busy, if you know what I mean.

friendly bump

looks like Lennar is doing some work again for Cudder. Shall we reconcile?

Y/N?

>>4953870
N

>>4953870

I'm starting to see their relationship now. Seems like Cudder's got Lennar by the leash. Dohoho.

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>>4953870

A divided project just means more work all round. Less drama = good karma or something like that. Now lets all hold hands.

april first is lone gone, broskis.

Is this actually being translated or what? Thread way too long and full of bitching to read through.

>>4945054
>The problem is few people care about translations of Japanese so they're not submitting translations like those of French and Spanish.
That's not the reason. Japanese is too context-dependent for people to submit translations that will be correct even most of the time, and that's the same reason why machine translations for it will never work (short of developing some AI to do it or something).

>>4956217
All languages are "context dependent". It's just that English requires more things to be expressed explicitly than Japanese. Translating Japanese to, for example, Korean would be much easier. It's not a property of Japanese that makes it hard to translate, rather it's a property of the specific relationship between Japanese and English.

Japanese is basically a language of greentext, machines don't understand >implications.

TLwikifags might want to take a look at this thread: >>4953660

>>4957164
Doesn't really effect Hatsukoi project; we're just bumming off their site, not really affiliated with them anyhow.

Age

>>4953952
FFFFFF-
Lennar, why are you so M.