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>>48321192
AI

>>48321192
I already do but I cant to digital

>>48321192
I can't draw.

Hey everyone, this is a copypaste thread from /v/ being used to slide. Please ignore it.

>>48321192
time commitment to get good when i could be doing other things

>>48321192
Why did he start to expand her tits like that? It was perfect before

>>48321771
The artist didn't do that, Ran just ate too many veggies and fruits treated with GMOs

>>48321192
I am drawing my favorite 2hu tho... I'm not that good yet however

>>48321192
>chanta

>>48321192
I try to do it every now and then, but I don't do it often enough to actually get good. Actually, it sometimes feels like they're getting worst.

>>48321257
This, there's literally no point anymore. Being a drawfag in the post-AI era is retarded, like using an abacus after the invention of calculators.

>>48323598
Maybe you're too worried about the result and not the process. I like drawing and I find it fun, much more enjoyable than playing around with prompts even though I could probably get similar results

>>48323598
I've never used an abacus and I still don't know to do basic arithmetic on it

>>48321257
AI got nothing on pixiv artists when it comes to drawing massive cocks.

>>48323754
tell us more anon

>>48321192
>Chantius Manus

>>48323598
AI will become progressively more incestuous and samey as it adds AI works into its own data set to reference. You need artfags to come up with unique styles.

>>48321456
Bumping this outta 10 just for (You) annoying faggot

>>48321192
I do draw my favourite 2hu. I just prefer writing her. It's fine in a way, because the people who won't read my writing aren't the sort I want to share my drawings with.

>>48328367
>will
"Is" is the word you're looking for here. Especially since AItards are actively avoiding the tags because they want more impressions, and they're usually blocked by default. Ironically the more prevalent it gets, the worse it gets both through it's training and the ego of sloppers thinking they're providing anything of worth.
That and the obsession with black men. It's strange, maybe even telling, about how so many sloppers are obsessed with it.
>>48321456
Sadly the manga tourists and tumorsliders will probably keep this thread up for far too long, but the fault is also on you for not using an image to grab attention on the modern day jay where any post that isn't paragraphs long, reddit spaced, get's a lot of (you)'s, or has an image gets mostly ignored. No offense, that's just how bad the brain-drain is here.

>>48321192
I instead waste my limited time and energy working, to afford food and shelter.

>>48328367
>>48338138
That's not how the AI works, retards. You guys have spent the last 3 years saying "it will le get worse in two more weeks!". Never happened, not even once. NOT ONCE.

>>48321456
how about you go back to /v/ and stay there, faggot

>>48340515
We're speaking in hypotheticals where all artists suddenly up and died. No shit it hasn't gotten worse, because that hasn't happened. The point is that saying AI has made artists obsolete is idiotic.

>>48321192
/ic/ telling me I still draw like shit despite over half a year of drawing and practicing and studying

>>48323598
I wouldn't go as far as to say there's no point but I definitely think that it's going to raise the bar for the level of talent an artist needs to have if they want people to choose their art over AI. Aside from people who outright reject AI art for moral reasons, there is are few reasons to really support budding artists who aren't quite there yet in therms of skill because AI can do it better than they can and in greater quantity. By the time a Middling artist can put out one picture, an AI can pump out a whole gallery.

That's as far as casual connoisseurs go though. While the quality of AI has risen drastically in the past year alone, artists are still better when you need something extremely specific drawn, whether it be details on an OC or porn. AI is good at regular porn but it still has quite a bit of difficulty with things like BDSM. For now, that attention to detail still requires a human touch.

>>48340515
>Especially since AItards are actively avoiding the tags because they want more impressions, [...] the more prevalent it gets, the worse it gets both through it's training and the ego of sloppers thinking they're providing anything of worth.
If english is not your first language, my post here is saying "AItards are actively avoiding using the AI-generation tags to get better impressions and possibly money, which in turn means that AI trained images will become trained on AI trained images leading to a cannibalization of quality as more and more people try to escape the stigma of being an AI 'artist'".

Basically AItards are doing more damage to AI than anyone else is. You can already see this well tainting happening in real time with the previously mentioned examples turning the Japanese into even more obsessed cucks than they already are. And also I've yet to see a single reason why people would subscribe to a Patreon or Fanbox of one when you could just pay for the service yourself.

>>48340515
The algorithms stopped improving about a year ago. All the best-looking stuff now is half photoshop. People used to insist it wouldn't improve or would improve only very slowly, and for a while that was a cope, but then it did slow down and has by now basically stalled out. I'm not convinced yet that they really will get poisoned by processing their own shit, but it's certainly not out of the question.

In the meantime, pick up a pencil. Even an ideal algorithm can't place the image that's in your head onto a page, and the process is fun and rewarding in its own right. People didn't stop gardening because of mechanized farming, why should machine-made images keep you from drawing?

>>48321192
dysgraphia

>>48343889
I never said that AI has made artists obsolete, it has made a lot of the tools and process obsolete, much like how calculators made the abacus obsolete but not math teachers.

>>48321192
2015 Ran is really cute and huggable

>>48323636
The only sane anon in this thread

>>48323636
It's not one or the other, you can still draw something quick and simple and then use the AI to skip the 8 grueling hours of rendering and adjust things in seconds instead of redraw the whole thing.

>>48346790
This is exactly what it can't do, actually. Those dozens of hours are spent making meaningful details, while generative algorithms just throw down the illusion of detail and look like weird, syrupy garbage if you take more than a moment's glance at it. That's on top of the thing tending to misinterpret what you drew, sweep away facial expressions and turn them into this weird mix of vacant and intense staring at nothing in particular, and so on. Sure, you could try intensive use of inpaint, train your own models and LoRAs, spend hours wrangling the machine to get it to look right... or you could just learn to draw and invest a couple hours into rendering. Or don't, maximalist rendering styles have always been pretty overrated and simpler styles let your intent show through better.

>>48348948
Talking right out your ass.

>>48321192
Why do people on /jp/ dislike Chanta? I never got it

>>48357983
I don't really care about ch*nta, I just pretend to hate him to fit in

>>48354824
I've followed and worked with this technology for nearly a decade. If you've had a different experience and can provide counterpoints, feel free to share.

>>48323636
I don't find the process fun at all. It's boring and very time-consuming to get any good result at all. So yeah, the result is all that matters to me in this case.

>>48321192
I do though...?

>>48321192
Nothing, Im doing that right now.

>>48357983
Ranfags have basically put themselves comfortably around the bottom of the pecking order of /jp/, usually while posting Chanta stuff or that one model. I don't think it's that serious though and is mostly just a meme, the only reason you'd think it's not is because people avoid posting Ran to not be confused for a Ranfag.

>>48367099
>Ranfags have basically put themselves comfortably around the bottom of the pecking order of /jp/
I have never noticed that.

>>48366717
Blog?

>>48367099
Pecking order???

>>48321192
I used my rommates' tablet to try and draw anime girl and what do you know I spent hours on the eyes and yet they came out much like Zun's, trying to look at her own forehead

>>48367099
what was his honest problem

>>48367399
Kek.

>>48367399
Measure. Best advice you'll get.

>>48357983
If you couldn't guess, the most loud opposition ( >>48367099 ) has brain problems.

>>48357983
I think it's mostly just memes, the only complaints I've seen about chanta's work has been how he draws noses and makes ran "fat", but this is just between like 3-4 people I've seen over the years of ranposting
>>48367099
>that one model.
incredible how after being dead for so long that MMDnigger is still one of the things people immediately think about regarding ranfags, I hope wherever he is, he's rotting

>>48367348
https://x.com/pennyingerton or https://bsky.app/profile/pennyingerton.bsky.social
I haven't posted in a while but someday I'll get back to it.

>>48371790
To be fair I also think mommy issues, closeted furries, and gay bottoms.

>>48372967
please do not take prostate or futa posters seriously, they are raiders. I completely understand the other two though, the mofu-to-furry pipeline is real and we all want ran to be our mommy

>>48367099
Who's at the top of the pecking order?

>>48373015
I dunno man, I talk to a Ran writefag and he's pretty serious about liking it.

>>48374626
Good for him but I think the majority of guys that post that in Ran threads are just looking to ruffle some feathers

>>48374598
vtumors and idolfags, duh

>>48374640
Idolfags are outcasts from other boards, vtumors OWN two boards and all the jannoids are in their clique. They are not even close in the /jp/ pecking order.

>>48357983
As a ran fan, awful art style. Honestly more about the face than anything else. I could also say proportions, he has this weird thing where the upper body is like a shortstack while lower body is regular.
It's funny because chanta draws Chen really well but then Ran and Yukari look like ass

>>48376698
Also he makes Ran's dumb jester hat look even more retarded than it already is.

>>48373015
Have you considered the mofu-to-furry pipeline can go in reverse? Not so much the animal fuckers, but the fur enthusiasts. Furries who realize most furry art isn't all that great looking for mofu find that the mofu volume in the average Kitsune tail is magnitudes greater than any colored skin these supposed "furries" have. You get all the fluffy fur you want and don't have to compromise on the body.
The futafags are raiders, you see them in other threads like the yurifag. But I have a feeling that while it started as a meme, some of the prostatefags may have actually developed the fetish from frequency illusion (the meme got in their head and made the button pressing in Ran doujins and writefagging stand out more).
>>48377192
Do not insult the silly pajama hat, she just won't look right with a normal mob cap and no hat is too lewd.

>>48321192
I honestly let myself be stopped for many years before deciding last year to push myself to get better

>>48321192
I want to see Ran's feet but I know she really likes wearing socks. What do I do?

>>48366717
Oh that looks great.
I should try to draw the Ojou-sama too.

>>48368029
I'm not exactly loud opposition, I think anyone who genuinely has a significantly lowered opinion of a 2hu and/or an artist because of shitposters and/or retards on the jay is dumber than the rest, I'm just saying it how I've seen it as over the years that there's a much higher risk of poking a beehive when it comes to Ran moreso than probably 95% of 'hus.
>>48371790
There's pretty much only three possible ends of a jpsie. Suicide, becoming a normalfag wagie, or altchans. So 2/3 options are a straight win if you wanna see him rot, or all three if you're one of those types who (I couldn't blame you for) believe altchans are even more retarded than modern day jay. But we already kinda had a thread about that.

>>48383640
I don't get the sticks some anons have up their butts about altchans. You're not signing away your soul to exclusively use those sites, you can still browse /jp/ while you browse others. Frankly it's not too different than going to other boards.

>>48383813
I can get the hate, because the only mods that're bigger fags than ours are the ones directly running entire sites. It's not always the case but when it happens you sure as shit notice it, and at that point it just becomes no different from the chatroom mod powertripping experience. But they're also more likely to be tightly compacted and have actual fucking rules that they adhere to unlike ours. I still can't believe he removed IP counts, fuckin' murricans. There's also the whole "can't find one for me" and "ded board" angles but those're just skill issues.