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>>48322145
Cute OP!

am I the only one who cannot tell who's speaking sometimes? playing First chapter on steam

>>48317899
Learn english and find out!

>>48322333
Too bad it never happened in canon.

>>48322623
FREAKING USE 07TH MOD! THERE IS OPTION TO FREAKING CHANGE THE TEXT OPTION TO SHOW THE CHARACTER NAMES!!!

>>48323005
Done. What does that mean though?

>>48323012
What do you mean, it happened in Rei.

>>48323255
Recommending people to use the tranny mod should be bannable as trolling outside of /b/

I want to see the sotsu that could have been...

>>48323281
Now you need to lurk a bit to find out what "L5" means. The rest means that Satoko never loved Keiichi.
>>48323295
Rei, more like gay shit for gay people.

>>48323819
Satoko being L5 implies she never loved K1?
Does that mean nobody in Hinamizawa can love love K1, not even his own parents?

>>48324227
>>Satoko being L5 implies she never loved K1?
Yes, as she always said it under L5 and only then.
And yes, nobody actually loves K1, they laugh at him when the whores parade him like a crossdressing dancing bear. Nobody can love K1.

>>48324392
K1 being your self insert character says a lot about what you think about yourself.

>>48324447
Thank god he isn't, then. Also having a self insert is for kids and I am an adult.

>>48324392
K1 is a good guy. I see K1 like a little brother character.

>>48322145
:3

>>48325103
My heroine will save /07/th!

>>48325377
Tell her to go on a diet

>>48323671
Sometimes you just need to accept that the ideas were wrong from the start and no amount of reworking and rebranding is going to change that.

>>48322623
I read an mtl pixiv fic and thought the lack of speech tags was cause the authors an amateur. Didnt realize till way later that they were copying Ryukishis style.

>>48323396
Nta, why the fuck does everything have to be a tranny thing. 07th mod works fine

>>48322145
Keiichi looks like he contracted L5 immediately from that kiss

i believe that op is using some sort script bot to make these shitty ops shit

>>48327127
Not a bot just nuclear autism shipping. Like when he spams the thread when conversations don't go his way.

>>48323255
NO ON HIS FIRST PLAYTHROUGH HE MUST EXPERIENCE HIGURASHI THE WAY IT WAS MENT TO BE PLAYED IN 2002 AND >>48322623 YOU BETTER NOT BE USING THOSE UPDATED CHARACTER MODELS AND TEXT ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN NIGGA

>>48326970
>>48326970
It's just the new way of calling people faggots. Even if you keep all the original art assets, the mod is nice for the voice acting.

No Oni chapter this month? Break or a possibility of it being cancelled?

>>48326970
>>48329666
I went to their support once to complain them replacing the original assets with custom made ones while calling them original, and the admin had a trans Beatrice profile image. It's a tranny mod.

>>48326970
>>48329666
I went to their support once to complain about them replacing the original assets with custom made ones while calling them original, and the admin had a trans Beatrice profile image. It's a tranny mod.

>>48324697
It would be interesting to have him as a lil bro.

>>48330897

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>>48330951

>starts posting akasaka but not rampant posting exclusively his wife rika together with him

>>48329871
Is this about them censoring the MangaGamer version of towel Satoko? I wouldn't exactly call the MG sprites "original assets".

>>48332203
The OG sprites are AI-enhanced.

>>48332375
Just upscaled so you can display the game in higher resolutions. It was done before the newer AI upscaling stuff.

>>48332375
[citation needed]

>>48332448
Oh, that's what they're referring to? That's a funny way of describing it. When I switch a game from windowed to full screen, I'm AI-enhancing the art :^)

>>48332448
AI upscaled with waifu2x
>>48332475
Based blindanon

>>48332500
What a retarded argument, nearest interpolation is not an AI upscale.
>When I switch a game from windowed to full screen, I'm AI-enhancing the art :^)
When you switch it from windowed to fullscreen you upscaling it without AI-enhancement or anti-aliasing filters, yeah, that's exactly what anyone would reasonably do.

>>48330897
Papa~~

>>48332375
>>48332625
Isn't that just if you install the Hou versions of the sprites? R07 did those, not 07th mod. It'd be strange to upscale the OG sprites when Hou already exists.

>>48335942
Hou didn't have upscaled sprites, it was Hou+ that added the official upscaled versions. But the 07th mod had their own upscales before Hou+.

>>48336031
Ah, I see. I've only played with the Hou+ sprites. Do you got a link to the thread where you argued with their support? I'd like to see a comparison.

the latest tomato makes me wish we got keiichi as the villain in reiwa

>>48336338
After the Sotsu backlash and R07 himself having trouble coming up with excuses, it's really not surprising he wouldn't touch on club member villains again.

Sweet beautiful enje

>>48336513
Which is nuts. Thats higurashis entire selling point.

between this and saikoroshi, the manga sources seem to make renas hair a lot more chic than the vn sprites

>>48336748
That's the thing, he probably while planning Gou/Sotsu thought the anime audience would have been happy just watching their characters going crazy (again) and the plot would be in the background and taking few episodes just to give some kind of message to the show. But it's clear in the end that people really weren't happy with their favorite characters becoming killers, and not only the throw away L5 victims, they couldn't sympathize with Satoko's plan or how her conflict was resolved, so I guess he now hesitates in pulling something like that with the club members again, being unsure what it'd take to convince the audience to go along with it.

I think he still easily can get away with just introducing a new cast around the club members', and then making these ones potential culprits and mastermind. That story structure should work without backlash. It's essentially what he did with Reiwa, but it was overstuff with characters due to the 2nd gen gimmick. Things really would have worked better if it had been a smaller timeskip, still starring the club from the beginning.

>>48336338
>Involved in a missing government funds scandal in the beginning of the story
>Was the one who funded and moved the Polaris group to the village
>Uses the excuse of low birthrates and that Japan needs immigration to help sustain the population collapse to justify his mass migration
>Just a pure coincidence that the Polaris group also had brain parasites despite it being made up from people all over the nation and not a isolated group of people for hundreds of years
>This all leads nowhere and ends with a massive infant play fetish session

I will go to my grave believing Ryukishi pussied on making Keiichi the main culprit for Reiwa out of fear of getting more backlash after he fucked up with Gou

>>48338867
>Was the one who funded and moved the Polaris group to the village

This part itself doesn't line up with early in the story where they talk like Keitaro was a stranger and getting closer to him would be useful due to his father's position. Not even ONCE they reference that Keiichi already works closely with Polaris and even talks with the Holy Mother.

I think R07 just threw in the new virus because he wanted an excuse for the crimes after the Gou/Sotsu backlash, and didn't think about how weird the situation was with its distribution/infection rules.

I do agree that the final arc was changed though, but I think it was more to make the old club more active and important thus Keiichi suddenly being involved with Polaris all along.

>>48338901
Look at this and how they talk about Keiichi and Keitaro. It's clear Keiichi here had no connection to Polaris.

>>48338929

why the FUCK shitokonigger still HURT over the rat namecalling?

Also, I still can't believe he threw in a new virus without a new goddess. Maybe one will appear to Rika right at the end? Although that would be really pointless.

>>48338867
>>48338901
>>48338935
>>>/v/695909674
You're one crazy nazrin psychopath and it's obvious. You're a touhou nazin obsessed and a shipper and still have this thing over Rika and it's really creepy. kill yourself leave Rika out of it already

>>48338901
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>>48338935
To be fair it could be possible that the kids have no idea of what's going on with the adults or that the holy mother is working with Keiichi. I think it's much worse to just ignore or cut out entire plot points then drop something new in the story. Still this entire final arc has been a complete and utter disappointment I really hope whatever Ryukishi makes next for Higurashi just flops hard after this shit and his shitty gacha dies too

>>48338995
Kururu is part of the Circle of Stars and makes reports of approaching the important kids to her father. She definitely should know.

>>48338777
Mion and Rena got so cucked by Satoko in the epilogue that they give up and succumb to yuri.

Kokoroiyashi was some nice fluff, not as important as Saikoroshi but I appreciate having one last carefree adventure between the club that I can look back on, and since its parallel to Saikoroshi I can pretend things dont go to hell after this point

>>48338777
Ah didnt mean to reply with that. But idk. I guess fans just expect their favs to be complete after beating the final boss, even though the kids didnt confront their baggage in ch8, they just got ended the curse. Or Sotsu just fucked up the delivery of that premise so bad and Ryu took the wrong lesson from it.

>>48339106
The very concept of Gou was fucking garbage there was so saving it. the hack should've just stuck to doing a Remake like he originally teased Gou to be

>>48339106
Execution certainly was the problem, but I think it's "execution" on the level that the entire story would have to be heavily changed to work. All Hinamizawa Syndromes cases in the original series said a lot about the characters and eventually led to development. That's completely missing from Gou/Sotsu; Either they're repeat or just shocking events with no real meaning for the person going crazy. The focus on someone who could be likeable was all on Satoko, but there I think his wish to make this a perfect ending combined with still wanting to give a message about not having everything, combined with clearly wanting this to be a Bern/Lambda origin even if he doesn't openly admit it, resulted in something that ends up making no sense thematically if you think about anything besides the St.Lucia conflict. Like how Satoko killing people made a final world even better for her (nice Teppei, Satoshi recovering, club seemingly not leaving Hinamizawa for now aside from Rika). Or how R07's attempt to justify her lack of guilty at end (the previous worlds are like illusions) are plainly her villain motivations in the first place, which is completely fucked up. You end up a story supposedly about growing up with a character who thinks consequence are for losers, not for her.

>>48339148
This is why I love Meguri, though the ending is so forced, it also felt right to use a sledgehammer to smack away at and push down that demonic nail of a story to speak in a metaphor.

>>48339113
I think the absolute worst part of Gou is bringing in new fans who actually enjoy it, filling in the gap of old fans who left this series after Gou. Soon enough the only ones still talking about Higurashi will be Yurifags or Gachawhales

>>48338958
It'll probably turn out to be Eua and there'll be some Shitsugou/Umineko wanking thrown in at the end.

>>48329341
no, I hate the updated characters. I got interested in higurashi exactly because of the old style art

>>48339214
>gachawhales
It's not really an FGO situation. I really doubt anyone is getting into Higurashi through that shitty priconne clone. It's the reverse, being kept alive by the hopes and reams of oldgurashi fans.

>>48338958
Why is it so hard to believe that an author gets lazy and starts creating a story by randomly piecing things together?

>>48339148
>Execution certainly was the problem, but I think it's "execution" on the level that the entire story would have to be heavily changed to work.
I'm really tired of the constant arguments about how only the actual execution was bad, but the ideas themselves could have worked with enough effort. While that's not exactly the case in your case, you do realize that you're not actually saying anything with this, because the ideas themselves could theoretically always work, because it will always ultimately depend on their execution. Even the most noble idea can be twisted to commit utter atrocities and vice versa. So is there even such a thing as a creatively bad idea for you? An idea that's not worthy of seeing ink on paper or developing alongside others? Because if not, you are proving that the entire discussion on this topic is pointless. But at the same time, if you have to change something heavily to make it work, you get into a situation where you have to change the essence of the underlying ideas, which rather proves that the original ideas were wrong and incompatible together.

>>48340831
Well, Gou/Sotsu still attempted to have a message, and give some analysis of Satoko/Rika and the passage of time, just mishandled most of that.

An actual really bad concept would be if they hadn't even bothered with that and just stuck to "rewatch slightly modified tragedies because Higurashi fans love their favorite characters killing each other" which WAS part of Gou/Sotsu's concept too and R07 even showed surprise people were bothered by those parts rather than enjoying their favorite characters "letting all out" and going on killing sprees. Now this part is something bad on a conceptual level.

I'm trying to find the original PC release of Higurashi with Eng translation. I used to have it on an old PC but the ones in the OP link and on nyaa are mangagamer or 07th mod versions with new sprites.

It's a wrap public lust!

>>48344059
The post that killed the thread (somehow)

>>48346870
it's a wrap

Which Higu girl is most like this?

>>48348756
100% Satoko

>>48348756
Mion.
>>48350178
Not the one listening, the one talking.

>>48343721
It's in the OP archive, the original English translation was made by MangaGamer too.
Alternatively you can check if the old Erogedownload link is still up.

Might wanna check out the old Tweaking Higurashi wiki too
https://web.archive.org/web/20230402220843/https://higurashifix.fandom.com/wiki/Tweaking_Higurashi_Wiki

>>48348756
Rena, the old men fur seals were just too Kyute...

>>48348756
Rika but with girls

>>48350178
>>48348756
Yep.

>>48348756
Is it bad I would still want to be with her if she said this to me?

>>48348756
Mion

>>48350926
>Ryukishi actually fucking wrote this
So I guess it's canon now that Mion would fuck other dudes if it made Keiichi jealous?

Maybe ryukishi was right about whoring out girls

New Mei stuff:
Noble Queen of Antiquity Rika:
https://files.catbox.moe/po33lg.txt
Some event rerun:
https://files.catbox.moe/fa4jzc.txt

Strangely, they also seem to have rewritten large chunks of the last main story update.
I'll upload the revised versions here:
https://files.catbox.moe/bq8wfb.txt
https://files.catbox.moe/e0x53w.txt

>>48351397

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>>48351397
>>48351403
HOLY ASS
HOLY CUTE

>>48351397
>>48351403
Sex slave to the ottomans

>>48351485
*slave to me (I am Caesar)

It'd never happen but a spin-off where K1 actually tries to hide Satoko in his home would be funny

>>48350587
Fucking teachers is allowed in St. Lucia so long as its girl on girl is what Im understanding from this

>>48350587
>Tweet from a literal who mangaka for the Umineko manga anf years before she was involved in Reiwa

>>48351669
Oniokoshi started that same year. She definitely already knew about Reiwa by that point considering how large the project was (since she had to share designs/setting/plot with a 2nd artist for a simultaneous manga).

Also explains one of her other posts from that period where she goes on about considering something yuri even if the characters go on to marry men afterwards.

Not flat enough
Not vn enough
Not deen enough

Why live why suffer

>>48352224
>>48351397
There's a Mei artist who clearly hates flat chests.

>>48352323
Now compare with this.

>>48351403
Holy fuck I’m gonna goon to rika butt

>>48339079
It's not canon anymore since it doesn't match up with Gou.

>>48339174
Meguri is guilty of the same things though, most of it still wastes your time with pointless H-173 arcs. And Satoko's motivation is somehow worse and more inconsistent than Gou, she claims she wants to revive the good old times but somehow develops a murder fetish out of nowhere (and no, getting bad luck with your loops is not a good justification). The worst part is that she was already looping back to the past before she went crazy since she only had to kill herself, so her torturing her friends is completely pointless to boot and only happens because Satoko tells Eua that it'd be fun to do so as a sadistic challenge.

>>48353155
I don't even know why she killed Rika here, she seemed to be having a good time. It's like she enjoys killing more than spending time with her friends.

>>48353155
Isn't that the same as Gou though? It's the same nonsense motivation. Satoko is a lost cause either way. I guess they could've expanded on the weird bipolar thing to try and save her too but Meguri at least salvages every other club member.

>>48352692
Kokoroiyashi was always meant to be an alternate continuity. R07's write up at the end is about the world going in multiple different fragments after Matsuribayashi, mentioning Saikoroshi and Kokoroiyashi as two possibilities.

>>48353372
No, in Gou she specifically wants to mindbreak Rika so that she'll be easily gaslit into thinking that she and Satoko should stay in Hinamizawa forever. In Meguri, Satoko only wants to revive the Watanagashi festival with her friends (except the times when she doesn't and kills Rika early for some reason). Don't get me wrong, both are dumb, but one's hell of a lot more contradictory and inconsistent.

>>48353155
Well, they took until the final arc to explain it well but they did it. Her idea is that their bonds and friendship only flourished to a deep level due to the tragedy loops, which is why they break apart when the loops are done. So, she'd stay forever in the past causing tragedies so they continue together in all worlds. Meguri also explains why she's making the others go crazy and sin too, rather than just killing Rika herself, since she believes all of them being sinners and licking each other's wounds is part of their bonds.

Really, it actually justifies sticking to 83 than Gou ever did. Gou/Sotsu Satoko's plan would work much better if she caused St.Lucia tragedies. After all, Hinamizawa tragedies made Rika want to leave Hinamizawa even when she learned the cause came from the outside world. So, St.Lucia tragedies would sour Rika on St.Lucia even if she learned Satoko was behind them. In Gou/Sotsu, there was no reason at all to force Rika back to Hinamizawa specifically aside from setting up Satoko's own defeat.

Are there really people STILL trying to say Meguri was good?
LOL
LMAO

>>48351403
well this one's definitely not getting on the wiki lol

>>48353571
>Satoko sprite banned from wiki
>Mei cards banned from wiki
>07th mod censored sprites
Why the fuck do these retards come to this franchise in the first place if they want to censor shit

>>48353587
just look at yasu's page and you'll see exactly why

>>48353548
Yeah, I like it. The only weak part to me are the Akashi arcs (even then they had some stuff I enjoyed like Rika trying to solve things with Tomitake, Satoko killing Takano and Shion/Mion bonding).

You actually have a dramatic final battle with personal stakes (unlike the joke that was matsuribayashi's final battle), the previous arcs do pay into the conclusion rather than being all throw away slaughterhouses and the ending acknowledges the heaviness of it all, unlike Sotsu and now Reiwa that leave Rika broken but try to play this off as happy.

>>48353595
Umineko ruins yet another thing for Higurashi

>>48353600
>I enjoyed Satoko killing Takano
Pure fucking garbage get the fuck off this website you secondary tourist

>>48353634
Based

>>48353532
That never made sense either though. Satoko barely even knows what's happening in the tragedies at times like in Wataakashi, and then the loops end and she moves onto the next one with nothing special happening. There was no unique bonding with Satoko in these heartless loops that only happen due to a plot convenient medicine instead of the characters developing HS on their own. That just sounds like an extremely forced explanation, and sure as hell doesn't justify or even explain Satoko's gleeful sadism.

>>48353600
>You actually have a dramatic
It's not really dramatic when it's extremely predictable and you could tell from the get go that Satoko would lose to the power of friendship.

>>48353532
>In Gou/Sotsu, there was no reason at all to force Rika back to Hinamizawa specifically aside from setting up Satoko's own defeat.
Huh? Satoko forced Rika back to Hinamizawa because being with her back at home is how she lived the happiest time of her life and thinks leaving for St Lucia would ruin her. She's being selfish and possessive of her friend, her source of happiness.

Yes I am a friendship chad.
Yes I enjoyed Meguri.

>>48353668
>That never made sense either though. Satoko barely even knows what's happening in the tragedies at times like in Wataakashi
Well, in Meguri during Oniakashi and Wataakashi Satoko was kind of messing up and making mistakes, didn't have solidified methods yet. Her actual method is only solidified by Tatariakashi, which shows her step by step making the curse rumors and such to drive the infected person in the direction she wants to keep things in order, setting the model she followed in the later loops. Although it's true by this point they're all just quick montages so there's no real character moments, you just need to go by her words in the final arc.

The one addition that I find dumb in hindsight was was the mass infection that ended up having no plot relevancy and only showed up again in one part of the quick montage though. Tomato -really- just wanted to draw the visuals of the climax of Mei's first arc once even without the story to sustain it.

>>48353780
You have shit tastes and should be ashamed that you happily swallow whatever garbage Ryukishi shits out as long as it has a happy undeserved ending you fucking bottom feeding leech

>>48353770
In Gou/Sotsu, she's forcing her there to break her mind though, not to have fun and leave peacefully. At least not for now, the idea is that eventually she'd break Rika's will and then she'd stay and they'd have their fun normal life in Hinamizawa.

But it's counterintuitive because forcing Rika to stay in Hinamizawa is explicitly why she wants to leave according to Sotsu. Yeah, at one point she almost "gave up", but I don't see how Satoko translated that into "she'll love her life there!". Causing tragedies in St.Lucia so Rika disliked that place would achieve Satoko's goals much more efficiently. Even if her identity were discovered like Takano's was nothing would change. Rika still would associate St.Lucia with tragedies and want to avoid it.

>>48353784
>you just need to go by her words in the final arc.
I just can't buy that explanation when none of the actual loops have a hint of it at all. That's why I call it forced, it's almost insulting.

>>48353805
The meguri hater is the guy that bases everything's worth on his stupid ship.
Yeah I'm not surprised it angers you.

>>48353666
can't beat smug satoko

>>48353827
She had mentioned early on too that the tragedies were a necessary element for their bright days in Hinamizawa, the reader just doesn't get a full explanation until the Satoko/Rika confrontation.

Well, and I guess there's the brief Shion/Satoko confrontation? But, if the lack of explicit bonding scenes over the new tragedies bother you that much, then, yeah, there really isn't much in the story.

>>48353816
She was breaking her mind with the artificial tragedies with H173. Forcing her back to Hinamizawa is Satoko's final goal, she did so by making her think that the was cursed and that the sheer desire in her mind of wanting to leave the village despite being the shrine maiden was causing the tragedies. It's when Satoko was ripping Rika's guts out remember? Rika even agrees with this afterwards and falls for the gaslighting in the scene where she talks with her taller (but similarly flat) self. Then when Rika follows through, no tragedy happens and the festival goes off without a hitch, proving that theory right. Thing is, Rika wasn't as mindbroken as Satoko thought she was, so she started getting suspicious and asking questions.

>>48353879
>She had mentioned early on too that the tragedies were a necessary element for their bright days in Hinamizawa
Which we know for a fact was false, we can clearly see her genuinely enjoying herself with her friends prior to tragedies happening. She already had the perfect 1983 forever and could just kill herself to go back to it, but then she proposed the whole Rika murder challenge to Eua to make things less boring, and we're supposed to accept this blatantly false explanation at the end for it? Nah. I think this is just Tomato changing his mind about the story halfway through adapting Gou, which lead to a nonsensical mess where the final answer doesn't match the setup.

>>48353941
>She was breaking her mind with the artificial tragedies with H173. Forcing her back to Hinamizawa is Satoko's final goal, she did so by making her think that the was cursed and that the sheer desire in her mind of wanting to leave the village despite being the shrine maiden was causing the tragedies. It's when Satoko was ripping Rika's guts out remember? Rika even agrees with this afterwards and falls for the gaslighting in the scene where she talks with her taller (but similarly flat) self.
That's what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out the plan was senseless from the start. "Giving up" doesn't somehow translate into "loving her life". Forcing her to stay because of a curse or whatever wouldn't solve the cause that made her want to leave in the first place, and you'd just get a depressed Rika eventually (which clearly wasn't Satoko's goal otherwise she could just cause an outbreak with a random person in the later years and then Irie wouldn't allow Rika to leave Hinamizawa).

Her actual goal should have been causing St.Lucia tragedies, since Takano showed so well how that works, to the point that even the culprit's identity being revealed (and the culprit being an outsider group unrelated to Hinamizawa) didn't make Rika's trauma be redirected to Tokyo or something.

Satoko causes St.Lucia tragedies for a while and then Rika wouldn't even think about going back there even if she learned Satoko was behind them.

>>48354001
>Which we know for a fact was false, we can clearly see her genuinely enjoying herself with her friends prior to tragedies happening.
She attributes the bonds of those friendships to the numerous loops and their tragedies though. We know this is true up to a point too (like Shion bonding with Satoko, and there's always the sense Keiichi has been with them together longer than one month), it's just a fucked up moral reprehensible action and reading of the series, which is why she has to be stopped.

It's also why Sotsu's ending bothers me so much, since she's just gifted by her crimes without any insight into it all (nice Teppei, Satoshi's recovery, club still in Hinamizawa by the time Rika is leaving to high school rather than leaving to high school one by one) or acknowledgement of the weight of those things.

Also, I guess you can accuse Tomato of making up this plot midway during the Gou serialization, but even during early Meguri Satoko mentions the tragedies are necessary, we just don't get an elaboration until the confrontation with Rika. So, this was definitely not just thrown in for the ending.

>>48354010
But the reason Rika wanted to leave Hinamizawa was because it was a source of tragedies. She changes her mind when she's gaslit into thinking that tragedies would stop if she simply didn't want to leave, which was proven right, and she was shown to be happy about it. There's no signs that Rika would be displeased by staying in Hinamizawa after that in the anime, so Satoko thought she had won.

>Satoko causes St.Lucia tragedies for a while and then Rika wouldn't even think about going back there even if she learned Satoko was behind them.
That's more of a "why didn't the character do this instead" which we can apply to every story ever, but the point here is that Satoko's plan worked for a while, Rika was happy, and the reason it fell apart was because Satoko didn't mindbreak her enough to prevent her from getting suspicious.

>>48354048
>She attributes the bonds of those friendships to the numerous loops and their tragedies though
But that had already happened in the original VN and transformed her friends into their final forms that would never develop HS naturally, hence why I said that she already had the perfect 1983 forever (Teppei got memory leak'd on his own so he would have turned good after enough loops, which he did). There's no reason to keep the tragedies going at that point, don't change what isn't broken.

>>48354069
>There's no signs that Rika would be displeased by staying in Hinamizawa after that in the anime

The anime itself shows her angsty shortly afterwards though (and if it didn't it would have been just bad writing). My point is more that Satoko's plan was self-defeating and senseless the only reason it exists is to reuse old arcs and make her lose, not because it makes sense as a motivation in-universe. There's no logical line from "she almost gave up" to "she'd be happy if she gave up".

>>48352136
That's a giant cope and you know it.

>Faggots talking about Gou
Worst thread we've had this year

>>48354098
The issue is that she sees their bonds breaking without the tragedies/loops in the post-83 years, thus everyone distancing themselves in the later years. Yeah, obviously she was wrong and just fearing change and the future. Even if they were away they were still friends, the club reunion.

But that's exactly the main conflict with Meguri Satoko, it's really just her fearing the future (a characteristic that was highlighted even before Eua broke her, although obviously it only become homicidal due to Eua's interference). In the end, she is still uncertain about how the future will turn out, but decides to face it day by day rather than running away.

>>48353832
*Meguri haters
Everyone hates Meguri but one guy.

>>48354151
The issue is that she sees their bonds breaking without the tragedies/loops in the post-83 years, thus everyone distancing themselves in the later years. Which is why she feels she has to continue causing them so their bonds persist in future loops. Yeah, obviously she was wrong and just fearing change and the future. Even if they were away they were still friends, the club reunion.

But that's exactly the main conflict with Meguri Satoko, it's really just her fearing the future (a characteristic that was highlighted even before Eua broke her, although obviously it only become homicidal due to Eua's interference). In the end, she is still uncertain about how the future will turn out, but decides to face it day by day rather than running away.

>>48354118
Fuck, I thought this screenshot had included subs.

>>48354118
>>48354172
> her angsty shortly afterwards
Because she was getting suspicious. By "displeased" I was talking more in regards to you claiming that she'd have gotten depressed over time because she didn't like Hinamizawa, when the whole reason she dislikes it is because of the tragedies, and this gaslighting convinced her that the tragedies would stop, hence why she was happy at first. She almost gave up because she had zero idea why bad things kept happening, so she was very relieved when she found out the "truth" and the tragedies stopped, until she started getting suspicious of course.

>>48354192
>until she started getting suspicious of course.
She started getting angsty exactly because no tragedies weren't happening in spite of her doing nothing though. It wasn't about suspecting Satoko or anything. It was always going to happen as a consequence of Satoko's plan as it was once the "peace" came.

>>48354159
>>48354151
>The issue is that she sees their bonds breaking without the tragedies/loops in the post-83 years
But she said she just wanted to relieve 1983 since she was convinced that "fate" had cursed the following years to have tragedies no matter what. There was no indication that she wanted to end it at some point back then or that there was some kind of objective to reach, she flat out said she "needed a tragedy to relive those fulfilling days", which we know was a lie. 1983 will always be fulfilling no matter what at that point.

Also when I meant "halfway through Meguri" I actually meant halfway through the whole manga since I just assumed that's how we refer to it rather than "the manga adaptation of Higurashi Gou, whose latter half is referred to as Higurashi Meguri", that's why I said that Tomato had a change of heart by then.

>>48354219
>She started getting angsty exactly because no tragedies weren't happening in spite of her doing nothing though.
Yeah? I didn't say otherwise. But we know as per the scene with her clone that she was happy at first. Like I said, the reason the plan fell apart was because Satoko didn't mindbreak her enough so as to prevent her from getting suspicious. Satoko just had a lapse in judgment and thought Rika was sufficiently broken by then, not to mention she was really giddy about finally winning. Shouldn't have hurried things and set the stage to make things less suspicious, then she might've won for good.

>>48354271
>1983 will always be fulfilling no matter what at that point.
The point is that from her point of view their bonds were undone post-83 because they weren't in that tragedy loop anymore. So, going back to 83, to keep it as she wanted, it had to be a tragedy loop too to keep their bonds together there in the future loops.

All the time she talks about causing tragedies to keep them united, she's shown talking about 83, not keeping them together in the future. She clearly talks like they're only united right now in 83 due to the continuous tragedies.

>>48354318
Rika is shown giving up though, which is what Satoko thought she needed for her counterintuitive plan to work. There's no breaking her more than that if she wants a living functional Rika.

It just would never solve the core of the issue. Rika knows Hinamizawa had nothing to do with the tragedies and it was Tokyo and Takano. It's really more about feelings. So, making up some story about a curse won't suddenly resolve things even if Rika rationally realizes Hinamizawa isn't at fault, she still will be uncomfortable in that situation. Like shown in the anime itself.

Mucho texto

reading is scary so i won't

>>48354375
>So, going back to 83, to keep it as she wanted, it had to be a tragedy loop too to keep their bonds together there in the future loops.
But again, we know that's not true since she had just finished looped a trillion times and the Final Destination-tier events only happened in the years after 1983. So where's the logic in messing with 1983 if it was always perfect no matter what?

>>48354426
All of Satoko's intelligence went to her tits...

>>48354429
>But again, we know that's not true since she had just finished looped a trillion times and the Final Destination-tier events only happened in the years after 1983.
Nah, some happened in 83.

>>48354464

>>48354375
>Rika is shown giving up though
That might have just hurried up Satoko's actions though with the gut spilling scene though, so maybe she just didn't get enough mindbreaking because she literally had no more time.
>feelings
But we know Rika was happy at first, those feelings had clearly been dispelled since they were due to uncertainty, and this gaslighting fixed that.

Satoko should have worked on making things less suspicious, but she was too excited about winning. She's also not exactly the smartest, high school dropout and all that.

can someone leak long28's fanbox thanks

>>48354475
Pretty sure these are cases of Satoko messing with things herself to change the future, similar to the anime, rather than tragedies. But either way, mangatoko clearly only gives a shit about June 1983 Watanagashi festival (even though she sometimes kills Rika earlier than that for some reason, or sometimes in the middle of a happy moment, so she's very inconsistent).

>>48354476
>That might have just hurried up Satoko's actions though with the gut spilling scene though, so maybe she just didn't get enough mindbreaking because she literally had no more time.
From the start she talks about bringing Rika to the point of giving up like she almost gave up in the previous loops. That wasn't Satoko rushing to her goal, it was her goal all along. The point where Rika gives up.

But it obviously doesn't work because the whole plan just exists to fail so they can still have their ending where Rika leaves. Even though Satoko herself mentions being inspired by the previous loops and should know how to manipulate Rika's feelings even if her identity was revealed, like with Takano's example.

>But we know Rika was happy at first, those feelings had clearly been dispelled since they were due to uncertainty, and this gaslighting fixed that.

It's the other way around though. She rationalized that she was happy due to Satoko's gaslighting, but it was all surface level which is why when Rika realized she really wasn't dying in Hinamizawa this time she started getting angsty about it even though there was no rational reason to be unhappy about that.

>>48354502
>It's the other way around though. She rationalized that she was happy due to Satoko's gaslighting, but it was all surface level which is why when Rika realized she really wasn't dying in Hinamizawa this time she started getting angsty about it even though there was no rational reason to be unhappy about that.
Also, when she does learn Satoko was behind it all, she promptly leaves. Exactly because she was just rationalizing things, it weren't true feelings, unlike the trauma Takano left on her.

>>48354502
>>48354514
Yes, but Rika giving up out of sheer rationality is different from her being mindbroken enough to fall for Satoko's utopic scenario forever, the latter of which is what Satoko wanted. The sheer fact that she wanted to destroy her mind shows that she was thinking selfishly and conveniently from the get go rather than caring about Rika's mental condition for the future, her plan was childish and idealistic but that's kind of the point for her motivation: the unrealistic desires to live in your happy past for all time. And of course Rika leaves once she learns she was being gaslit, you generally revert to pre-gaslight mentality when that happens you know. Even in Matsuribayashi's epilogue, Rika was already talking about wanting to do things she'd never done before.
>Even though Satoko herself mentions being inspired by the previous loops and should know how to manipulate Rika's feelings
That's just referring to tricking Rika that a loop is just a repeat of one from the VNs, then pulling the rug under her to make her lose, is it not?

> she started getting angsty
Cause she thought she was being manipulated and wanted to sniff out the truth, rather than anything else.

>>48354572
>That's just referring to tricking Rika that a loop is just a repeat of one from the VNs, then pulling the rug under her to make her lose, is it not?
I'm talking about her speech about how one time Rika was about to give up and she wanted to bring her to that state again, but make her give up for real.

>The sheer fact that she wanted to destroy her mind shows that she was thinking selfishly and conveniently from the get go rather than caring about Rika's mental condition for the future

Like I said, she compares how Rika was meant to feel from her plan with how she felt near the end of the original loops. She doesn't want a brain dead Rika.

And, yet, in spite of seeing how Takano's loops worked, she chooses to do a insane work around, hoping empty lies could just erase Rika's original trauma and new traumas she was about to add on top, rather than just using the same logic to make Rika hate the place where she didn't want to go.

>Cause she thought she was being manipulated and wanted to sniff out the truth, rather than anything else.

Because she couldn't just accept no tragedies happening in Hinamizawa for no reason. Which would always happen at the end of Satoko's plan. There's even that conversation on the cliff where Satoko says Rika should just take happiness as given rather than questioning things.

Note Rika wasn't specifically suspecting Satoko at all. The box trap turns out to be a complete coincidence. She just couldn't take that scenario as it was.

>>48348756
need a satokei edit of this

I want rika to sit on my face

>>48354822
This good?

>>48354822
Don't need an edit when Satoko being a whore is already canon lol

>>48355417
she's just like my sister fr

>>48355395
Perfect.

>>48355395
it looks like shit and you should feel bad

>>48355424
Don't say that out loud Shion!

>>48355417
Post the original

>>48355395
Put the last panel at the bottom of the page and it's perfect.

>>48355471
>>48355417
Don't give retard07 ideas

>>48355484
Too late for that see
>>48350926

>>48355395
H-Hnng Mion please be my wife...

>>48355471
Why is she like this?

>>48355417
>>48355471
the power of ai truly is strong...

>>48355496
>>48350926
This is actually really depressing to see why does he treat his characters like their nothing more than whores for his ntr fetish?

>>48350926
am i missing something here or are you retards really getting mad over "haha is kei-chan jealous of all those guys looking at me? i wonder if that'll push him to make a move haha"
bunch of faggots is what you are

>>48355479
Better?

I don't know if it's worse you fuckers take your time to edit this horrible shit to get back at other posters or that actual Mionfags seem to post worse shit than the stuff that's supposed to be getting at them.

>>48355613
Reiwa trauma

>>48355699
Huh? That's from Hou+...

>>48355613
>Mion flaunting her sexy body for other men to oogle and get aroused at
>Does this on purpose in hope of making Keiichi jealous
This is fucking NTR

>>48355395
>>48355639
It's okay Mion you'll always be Keiichi's best friend no matter what!

>>48355716
i take it you think every single woman who has gone to a pools or a beach is a whore then because that's what you're trying to argue here
i'd make a joke about you wanting them to wear burkas but then i'd bet you'd get mad over that too somehow

I for one think it's brave of Mion to show her fat tits to strange men and I will always be by her side to support her

>>48355741
This! So muck this! When me and my girlfriend go to the beach together she always makes a big deal about gleefully exposing herself to other men, willingly drawing their attention and flirting with them, we are in twenty twenty-four for science sake!

oh right yeah i forgot it's always this guy somehow isn't it

>>48355787
Mion after she dates a guy for more than 2 hours.

>>48355778
>girlfriend
zero is a man

>>48355806
What a weird post trans name Mion chose.

>>48355716
Mion has just been very thirsty for Keiichi every time R07 wrote an actual script wither nowadays, which is kind of ironic considering Reiwa, yeah.

Don't forget her beating up the club (in games though) and capturing Hanyuu (for real) because Eua promised her jewels of eternal love in the Sotsu reading drama.

And then there's the Mei Umineko crossover where Lambda acknowledges Mion's crush as certain will while she spent an entire night preparing cheats for club games to get an invite she'd use for a date alone with Keiichi.

>>48355838
>And then there's the Mei
You had me until this, I won't finish reading your post.

>>48355847
>You had me until this, I won't finish reading your post.
R07 wrote the script for that specific story, which why I mentioned it.

The discord is actually trying to normalize your girl flaunting her body to other men, can't make this shit up.

>>48355787
You'd think after rikaschizo left the thread, he also would go back to parasiting on /v/ but no, he now monitors this thread 24/7

Mionfags are the most shameless posters in these threads dear god

Great, my wife is now the target of shitposting

>>48355916
He still monitors rat threads on /v/ 24/7.

Is this thread infested by full of incels(satokofags)?
It's pity still mind broken

>>48355708
I meant Reiwa's weird BDSM stuff has gotten people more touchy about sex jokes in other Higurashi stuff

>>48355982
>>48355982
>Is this thread infested by full of incels(satokofags)?
>It's pity still mind broken
Can someone translate this from african to human?

>>48355982
>incels(satokofags)
Where the fuck do you think you are? this insult means NOTHING?
>SatokoGODS make twitter and cordfags seethe
Yep I'm officially on the Satoko train cho cho!

>>48355982

>>48356039
>>48356037
go back, kizunakikes

>>48356047
I'll grab my pop corn when kikes nuke the shitty hut where you and your monkey mother live.

it's all so tiresome

It's strange Umineko has become irrelevant as of late, what happened?

I've reread higu and more interested in it for now

>>48356094
An openly transphobic president has been elected into office.

>>48356094
It's still around, it's just not on here anymore. Umineko's catbox philosophy aged so badly that the manga basically abandoned it and embraced the feminism/queer shit. Not really surprising that many of its fans can't be found here anymore

>>48356094
Gou made the Higurashi fans who hated it have an undying hate boner for all things Umineko and now every Umineko thread will be spammed with tranny shit and hate

Okay nvm I just felt sick to my stomach go back to talking about Higurashi

>>48356162
Bulges I'd pay 10 bucks to kick.

>>48355395
Not quite what I meant but you can never go wrong with Mion being a cucked slut

>>48356147
Don't act like the time Umineko posters got their own separate threads half of the posts weren't about which character likes white man dick the most.

>>48356256
Does that even need to be questioned though?

>>48356256
blatantly wrong things don't magically become true just because you say them

>>48354426
I have generated a lot of AI Satoko porn and masturbated to it. Thank you for reading my blog.

>>48356306
that is fair, although satoko's got enough art i'm not sure you'd need to

>>48356306
You can't say that and not post any!

>>48356313
>>48356037
kill yourself shitokocordnigger

>>48356376
That's not Shion though.

>>48353666
>>48353805
>>48353833
>>48356313
>>48356306
Fuck off and die actual shitokotranny

>>48356389
>Beatrice out of nowhere
Obsessed.

>>48356395
>>48356384
you're mentally ill ratokoshippertranny cord. you're completely lack of self awareness has ceasing denying your own existence. get the fuck out you fucking shitflinging cocksucker tranny erping nigger

>>48356411
RatoKoShipperTranny is not a real ship.

>>48356426
you're like a broken record who keeps on posting his buttblasted denial tranny reverse cope posts. please but PLEASE go back to your xittercord tranny hugbox

>>48356441
Buttblasted denial Beatrices and xittercord Beatrices are not real either.

>>48356296
>blatantly wrong things don't magically become true just because you say them
wasn't the moral of umineko exactly that though

>>48356351
https://files.catbox.moe/vfz1fi.png
https://files.catbox.moe/38sanx.png

>>48356487
グッジョブ

Bernkastel jogging while wearing a sports bra and yoga pants.
Bernkastel completely winded after about 50 meters because of her fat tits and unkempt body.

Bern has no cat ears, meaning her tail is a buttplug.

>>48356731

Beautiful enje

I'm yet to see Ange with loose hair

>>48357035
allow me to fix that for you

>>48357046
moar

>>48357025
oxymoron.

>>48357025
Tautology

>>48356487
Damn I want to cum on satoko’s fat tits now

Has anyone noticed there's a thread on here with some good touhou image that looks a lot like higurashi?

>>48357883
this is what Ryukishi's Touhou VN would have been like if ZUN hadn't stopped him.

>>48357883
my guess is theyre comms from seacatscrying

This is how you're meant to play the game.

It's amazing how so many problems in GouSotsu cease to be when you flip their roles and have Satoko be the one who wants to succeed where Shion failed and LARP as a full ojou in St. Lucia while Rika seethes and keeps rerolling for another miracle where she can make Satoko give up, even if that means turning into an abusive monster forcing her to relieve the nightmare of 1983 until she gives up and becomes a witch.

>>48359066
No Ryukishi that will not work better and you're still retarded.

her face when she sees your tiny black pecker

>>48356452
Ratoknigger

BBKB!

>>48359877
Ratka never dater Knigger, it's not even a canonical character.

I preferred the alchemist sprites for Umineko but for some reason in Higurashi they don't feel as polished

>>48360678
Higurashi's everything is inferior when compared to Umineko!

>>48360702
Obvious bait is obvious

>>48360678
Different artists, after all. Rato did the Higurashi console sprites, while Umineko had 2 different artists (Question arcs, Takahito Ekusa (portrait artists in the OG VN), for female characters and FFC for males (although there were a few exceptions in both sides, FFC also did the sprites for Zepar, Furfur, Ikuko, Cornelia, and Gertrude).

>>48360934
>Rato

>>48360934
Common Rikaschizo L

Rent free in Satocuck's head again

>>48361253
>Mion out of nowhere
Obsessed stinky blue rat.

>>48361427
Why so angry?
Meguri talk got you steaming out your ears again?

Nya?

>>48361484
What? Rato and Takihito Esuka are artists for the console port of the VNs, they are not related to Tomato's manga in any way.

Yeah okay I'm just gonna cunnypost

>>48360740
Can't prove me wrong higufag

>>48362006
Rat cunny...

>>48362159
You'll feel your dick burn from the black death

Stinktokofag is always desperate to kill his thread around the same time.

>>48353607
This is a well known and most consequential rule of the WTC universe: Umineko ruins everything.

Kill their thread? What the fuck are you schizos on about now? Is this a discord thread thing?

Higurashi would've been a better story if it really was a time loop and not different fragments

>>48362631
Shit take, you would take out stakes from the story.

>>48362750
How? You can still have it so memory leaks happen only in certain loops and have Rika come back sooner and sooner each time she loops. What exactly would be taken from the story besides making it so characters stay consistent?

>>48354622
>I'm talking about her speech about how one time Rika was about to give up and she wanted to bring her to that state again, but make her give up for real.
Yeah that's what I meant, there's nothing about being able to manipulate her beyond making her give up.

>And, yet, in spite of seeing how Takano's loops worked, she chooses to do a insane work around, hoping empty lies could just erase Rika's original trauma and new traumas she was about to add on top, rather than just using the same logic to make Rika hate the place where she didn't want to go.
>Because she couldn't just accept no tragedies happening in Hinamizawa for no reason. Which would always happen at the end of Satoko's plan. There's even that conversation on the cliff where Satoko says Rika should just take happiness as given rather than questioning things.
See you say the plan is self-defeating but it's not like we had any idea how it was gonna fail exactly. We didn't know how hard Rika was going to be mindbroken so it was unclear if she was going to be sane enough for a comeback or completely and utterly gone. They could have perfectly made Rika fall in line with the gaslighting and instead have, for example, Rika becoming so unrecognizable from the trauma that Satoko herself slowly realizes that her efforts were all for naught because the friend she knew is nothing but a looney bin patient. But either result doesn't change that we know and understand why Satoko's motivation: she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever and convince Rika to stay because that's the only time in Satoko's life that she experienced happiness, it's pretty simple and straightforward. The flaws in the plan come from her personality and lapses of judgment, not because it doesn't make sense or is vague.

Higurashi baseball sim please, Ryu

>>48362769
Nothing that happens matters anymore, I have no reason to feel emotionally invested in events that effectively never happened, Rika can just reset everything with a snap of her fingers.
This is the exact same gay reasoning that gave us the master piece of shit that is Gou.

>>48362006
I wanna be rika’s chair

>>48363151
It's supposed to be a club game punishment you sicko

>>48363194
I want to kiss her butt

>>48362782
>Yeah that's what I meant, there's nothing about being able to manipulate her beyond making her give up.

That same episode early on has Eua and Satoko talking about how Rika's will to escape is due to being locked there in the previous loops. So, locking her even more so she decides to stay is completely counter-intuitive, which is why she has to add the gaslighting that doesn't actually benefit at all from all the killing from the loops in order to make her plan work later on. Note that gaslighting stuff isn't even mentioned in the early set up plans because it just doesn't go alongside the idea of the pressure of repeated loops leaving an impact at all. They're just one time words rather than something that adds up and can really change her.

>See you say the plan is self-defeating but it's not like we had any idea how it was gonna fail exactly. We didn't know how hard Rika was going to be mindbroken so it was unclear if she was going to be sane enough for a comeback or completely and utterly gone

They outright say it there though, what Satoko was aiming for was a mental state similar to the one Rika had at the end of the previous loops when she was about to give up, but actually just giving up for real now. It makes no sense to position that as a "happy world" considering how that Rika was mostly depressed and passive and it was just her hope of breaking out that kept moving her and acting like Satoko wanted (like how she almost forgets to ask happy when Satoko mentions a prize in the beginning of Minagoroshi).

And note that unlike in Meguri, where the characters actually criticize the hypocrisy of Satoko's rationale and how it's just an excuse and her running away, Satoko's plan is never picked up apart in Gou/Sotsu, so saying the plan is flawed because it's meant to be a character flaw is purely on an interpretation basis. In the text itself, Satoko is only criticized for disrepecting Rika's will and wanting to force a future on her - which, in a way, doesn't even make sense when Gou/Sotsu itself highlight this will only exists due to the trauma caused by Takano, so it's not like it's Rika's natural will either, but since they were planning to leave her broken like that at the end of the series, the series conveniently overlooks all that when it gets to the conclusion. In spite of trying to equal Satoko's and Rika's loop suffering at the end, Satoko is allowed to walk out of her loops as a learning experience, while Rika's are trauma that are forcing her apart from everyone she loves. I really dislike the whole hypocritical happy framing of Sotsu's conclusion.

>>48363194
It’s a punishment game that I enjoy

>>48363194
every punishment game is for someone's enjoyment

>>48362769
It just doesn't work when you actually get to Rika as a point of view character. For example, if they were real time loops, there'd no reason for her to not kill herself once Satoko was taken by Teppei. But she decides to not do it because even if she'd have a Satoko for herself in the next world, -this- Satoko would be suffering so she'd stay even if she didn't believe she could save her. Same goes to the part near the end, where Rika has the chance of abandoning everyone and escaping by herself, hoping to survive for longer so she takes the "Takano is the culprit" memories to the next loop. If they were real time loops, there'd be no reason Rika's action there would be seen negatively.

Akasaka's entire set up in Matsuribayashi also relies on fragments being parallel worlds, with Hanyuu/Bern going back to the Himatsubushi world to ask for the power of that veteran Akasaka to be borrowed by a younger version of himself so he can change a past world.

There's also the secret epilogue with Takano's parents not dying.

Basically, yeah, them being time loops or parallel worlds doesn't matter in the earlier chapters, but they DO matter a lot when you get to Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi. Saikoroshi is also entirely based on them being parallel worlds.

Note R07's plot for Gou/Sotsu and even Reiwa have Rika (and Satoko for Gou/Sotsu) acting much more like these are just timeloops though, showing no regards for the people she's leaving behind, and the reception to this characterization has been more negative than the original handling of fragments.

>>48363194
Too big to be Sticka's butt.
>but Gou
Don't care about Gou.

>>48364088
Good, only niggers like giant glutes anyways

Butts are sexy
I want to have sex with fat butts

>>48364127

>>48364134
Mion is sex!

>>48364137

>>48364127
I want to worship mion’s butt with my tongue

Mion sucks stop talking about her.

>>48364119
dlanor pov.

Rape the goat

>>48364119
Will she purr or squeak?

>>48364179
Jessica is like Mion but smarter.

>>48364191
Jessica has asthma, Mion does not therefore Mion is better

>>48364191
Umineko is such a stupid fucking story

>>48364201
Asthma schmasthma.

>>48356471
Translate it ziggas

>>48364201
Why did Ryukishi forget about her asthma?

>>48364211
Still better than Higayrashi and its power of friendship bullshit.

>>48364224
t. friendless loner

>>48356471
>We are the BWC ladies and we sentence you to death

>>48363757
Ange's finger looks deformed.

>>48364223
Probably cause it's was incredibly irrelevant, makes you wonder why he even came up with it at all.

>>48364211
based lol

>>48364228
Even Ryukishi admitted friendship akin to Higurashi was bullshit in the Matsuribayashi-hen afterword and that you're better off doing things alone in real life more often than not.

>>48364201
Not in later chapters.

>>48364268
based on what

>>48364119
>>48364181
>do you have any games on your PHONE?

I want to watch Dlanor and Erika rub pussies together

>>48364181
silly anon dlanor has a gauntlet on that hand

>>48364358
she just took it off for gentle caressing, duh.

>>48364365
fool, the gauntlet stays ON

>>48364297

>>48364189

>>48364191
Mion instantly figures out the entire Tokyo conspiracy once Rika tells her about the queen carrier stuff. Jessica couldn't figure out her best friend was also her boycrush, the phantom "Beatrice" the servants talk about appearing in recent years, or planning to kill everyone in her family.

>>48364223
Wasn't it just her acting anyway? The whole "she acted so much she ended up with it for real" is just bullshit.

>>48364609
>Mion instantly figures out the entire Tokyo conspiracy once Rika tells her about the queen carrier stuff.
The Minagoroshi scene at her house? Pretty sure that was a joint collaboration between everyone there.
>Jessica couldn't figure out her best friend was also her boycrush
Nobody could, the disguise was impeccable.

>>48364752
I think Battler found out in real life, probably cause he squeezed a titty and found out it was fake.

>>48364752
>The Minagoroshi scene at her house? Pretty sure that was a joint collaboration between everyone there.

Matsuribayashi, when Rika proposes her "manga plot" about a queen carrier. It's pretty much just Mion driving the entire conversation (and figuring out all the internal politics from Tokyo), and the others going "You're right!" or "What, that can't be?!"

>>48364268
reality

>>48364609
>Jessica couldn't figure out her best friend was also her boycrush, the phantom "Beatrice" the servants talk about appearing in recent years, or planning to kill everyone in her family.
that's because shkanontrice was a retcon obviously

>>48364189
Need a comforting pitjob from Hanyuu

>>48364791
But the Matsuri version is just her describing a plausible government plot and debating with others about it. It happens to match with reality due to cartoonish levels of coincidence. It's not really about her being a super genius detective and more so someone who has read government conspiracy fiction before and got really lucky.

>>48364844
Also Mion's kinda dumb for the rest of the VN. Remember when she thought 2 tiny kids should have fought off Ooishi in Tatarigoroshi and everyone else had to tell her to stop being retarded? Or most glaringly, despite being 4/5ths into Minagoroshi and being 1 day from Satoko's rescue, Mion was the only person who had no idea what was going on and very insensitively complained as to why Satoko didn't just ask for help, to the point where everyone else just stopped talking to stare at her in disbelief. Then they had to slowly explain to her that Satoko was a little cuckoo in the head even though they had already addressed that issue before. It's literally a scene made to remind the viewer of something they should already know, at the expense of showing that Mion's kinda slow in the brain.

>>48364844
>But the Matsuri version is just her describing a plausible government plot and debating with others about it. I
The next scene with the club reveals they figured out during that conversation that Rika was talking for real though. It's really not just a coincidence, it's meant to show she understand this type of organization conflict due to dealing with Sonozaki stuff.

>>48364948
>Also Mion's kinda dumb for the rest of the VN.
Yeah, but in Matsuribayashi she figures out Tokyo's internal politics and is also a tactical genius, and even fights on par with a tired Okonogi. R07 clearly figured out he forgot to let Mion do anything due to Shion taking over her arc, so kept giving her abilities all this push during Matsuribayashi.

>>48364752
Didn't Mion have to ask Keiichi to do her homework every time? It comes up again in Kokoroiyashi-hen and shows Mion at risk of failing her highschool entrance exams because she doesn't know anything. While that manga has most likely been ignored by Gou, it does show that Ryukishi thinks of Mion as very dim.

>>48365155
That's just her not focusing on school work due to being busy with Sonozaki stuff though. She seemingly does fine in St.Lucia in Saikoroshi.

>>48365037
I will never not be annoyed that the Sonozaki gun training from Tsumihoroboshi that was only meant to bluff the government and only would've given them basic proficiency at best, suddenly turned into the twins being actual crack shots that puts the actual military to shame.
Like, Satoko suddenly revealing that she knows how to pick locks in Tsumi works with her character and obsession with traps, but the Shmion stuff is directly contradicted by Mion's earlier words.

>>48365619
To be fair, the way she played down the Sonozaki there you'd think they weren't still executing the "true Watanagashi" on people, when we know that's a lie (see Rina).

>>48364355
I hope Erika is hairy down there.

>>48365225
I'm pretty sure it's never mentioned that Mion's academic performance was affected by her being too busy with the Sonozaki stuff, she never misses out on going to school for it or anything. In fact, the person who has to tutor her for highschool exams is Shion of all people, the same person who hated her school, didn't bother going to classes half the time and is the one who regularly went to family meetings in her sister's place as a favor for Mion, yet still managed to learn all that stuff enough to be her personal teacher. Also, think about it, it's very obvious that the Sonozaki would want their head to be educated and thus wouldn't actually interfere with that progress. All of this makes it pretty clear that the faults lie on Mion's end, and it's not really something that would transfer over to Saikoroshi either since it's a very different world where Mion actually gives a shit about school since it's for the sake of her sister.

>>48365037
But it's not consistent at all with the fact that Mion wasn't like that at all in Minagoroshi when Rika brought up the queen carrier there, everyone was way more down to earth in that arc, so the explanation remains that Mion got all that stuff from reading her fiction books. Let's face it, this is more of Matsuribayashi being a victory lap for Rika where every character is a goddamn super hero version of themselves and cartoon logic wins the day. Remember how Akasaka could casually punch holes through concrete like a DBZ character? Or the scene where Satoko practically laid her bare ass at the yamainu, and instead of shooting her right away, they just fall for her traps like total dumbasses? Or the gigantic asspull of how 14 year old Mion managed to curbstomp the professional mercenary Okonogi in a fist fight? Or how Satoshi was conveniently never vivisected by Takano with zero explanation?

>>48368176
>she never misses out on going to school for it or anything.

She does sometimes have to leave right after classes though. And obviously I'm not saying the Sonozaki want her to do bad, but just that she's focused on her role there over school stuff, thus lagging behind. Shion went to St.Lucia and then a real school in Okinomiya, not the mess that is the branch school, which is why she's superior to Mion.

>Also, think about it, it's very obvious that the Sonozaki would want their head to be educated and thus wouldn't actually interfere with that progress.
I dunno, the fact she goes to the branch school in the first place in spite of its condtions, shows they weren't very worried about that. Heck, in spite of their international dealings, note Saikoroshi (Birth) "Mion" couldn't even read the English manuals of her sister's games. It really doesn't seem like the education of the successor is very important.

>>48368296
>Remember how Akasaka could casually punch holes through concrete like a DBZ character?
Akasaka specifically had the whole segment about receiving lifetime skills from his older Himatsubushi self though. There was nothing like that for Mion.

The mountain dogs had some excuse for not using guns during the mountain battle, even though it's kind of dumb when they had gone for guns when fighting even closer to town before in the Sonozaki's (or when killing the club in Minagoroshi).

>Or how Satoshi was conveniently never vivisected by Takano with zero explanation?

It's not that weird they'd keep a living sample. It's just an obvious retcon in this case due to how Rika thinks about him in Minagoroshi even though she's supposed to know he's alive according to Matsuribayashi itself.

>>48368629
>She does sometimes have to leave right after classes though. And obviously I'm not saying the Sonozaki want her to do bad, but just that she's focused on her role there over school stuff, thus lagging behind
Like I said, there's no indication of it whatsoever. She's just straight up not paying attention in class in the first place. Shion actually hated her school and yet she still managed to pay more attention than Mion did somehow.
>I dunno, the fact she goes to the branch school in the first place in spite of its condtions, shows they weren't very worried about that.
The branch school was good enough for her to enlist in the Okinomiya high school (if she had paid attention in class that is). I'm not saying they demanded the absolute top class for her, but even poor people would want their kids to at least do well in school.

>>48368629
>Akasaka specifically had the whole segment about receiving lifetime skills from his older Himatsubushi self though.
That absolutely does not explain him punching holes in concrete which is something no human on the planet can do.

>There was nothing like that for Mion.
That only makes it worse, at least the other characters had the memory leaks as reason for their character development. Meanwhile Mion is like this just because Matsuribayashi said so.

>It's not that weird they'd keep a living sample
There's no indication that Takano ever wanted a living sample, she always vivisected her victims. It's an asspull if we have to make assumptions with no basis in the story.

>>48368681
Also Mion is shown spending tons of free time on countless occasions simply messing around with her friends to boot.

>>48368681
>The branch school was good enough for her to enlist in the Okinomiya high school (if she had paid attention in class that is).

Eh, even Rena is said to take notes from Keiichi. The branch school's lessons by themselves definitely aren't enough for the higher grades it has.

>Meanwhile Mion is like this just because Matsuribayashi said so.
Yeah, my point is that whether you think it's a retcon or not, Matsuribayashi is pushing this as "standard" Mion, not something special to Matsuribayashi itself.

>There's no indication that Takano ever wanted a living sample

They do mention needing living samples in Connecting Fragments (which wouldn't be an issue if Takano wasn't rushing to kill them, lol) and Irie notes in Matsuribayashi Satoshi was important for developing Satoko's medicine (which I guess Takano had no interest in anyway, since she didn't care about actually curing the disease).