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Who are you quoting?

>>47946457
ZUN, dumbass

>>47945108
Anything past IN isn't canon anyways so it doesn't matter.

>>47946457
Shit meme, go back to discord

>>47945108
>Did she gain those powers as part of some natural god-related evolution
Given the wording of
>without realizing it at first
And Okina being Matarajin, it's likely that it just came about as a result of syncretization.
>were they perhaps given to her by someone (like Yukari
If you're going to make a lore thread, you should at least first inform yourself of how incompetent Gappy is.
>Verification not required.

>>47945108
So that's Yukari's preferred size.

This seems like the closest place to post in relation to what I wanted to say before going back to an Anon name for the time being, but to all who was in the last couple of them:
I went looking for something at a convention because some guy sells antiques from Japan and sometimes has religious stuff there. The convention was majorly expensive but at the last minute they marked the entry price way down so I went.
Tl;Dr I went looking and the very first thing that I came across was a figure of Kanako, with Yukari and the paparazzi birbs next to her.
I took Kanako home and am putting her on a high up shelf.

>>47949046
An inchling?

>>47952447
A wide inchling. Tuna can.

>>47945108
How wide is Shimmy?

>>47954479
Shimmy is dicksized. She will be as big to you as your dick is

>>47954479
Here she is, with a banana for scale.

>>47948443
based take, touhou was supposed to end with IN (I love a lot of the stuff that came after it but nothing will ever beat it)

>>47948443
Why exclude PoFV and StB? I get that from MoF onwards it starts to feel different, but those two give little more room for characters from EoSD to IN, while not straying too far.

>>47945108
The more sages we know about the more irrelevant Yukari seems to be compared to them.

>>47955229
Stopping at In eludes as many printworks as possible and keeps the characters that matter in their pure un-retconned state.
Everything past IN is pretty much just fanfiction.

>>47948552
>If you're going to make a lore thread, you should at least first inform yourself of how incompetent Gappy is.
I really don't fathom how anyone could look at Okina and think that Yukari would have any kind of influence over her. Even in just their boss fight, Okina purposely empowers her opponents to make it more of a fair fight, while Yukari can at most make up with an excuse about being sleepy to draw attention away from her loss, and Clownpiece even states that even in Hell, very few people would be at Okina's level of power. Yukari simply does not compare.

Though I'm curious as to what Okina's actually planning towards. She keeps fostering relations and alliances with exceptionally strong individuals (Hecatia, Yuuma, Cirno), but we haven't seen a hint towards any greater purpose yet, and how her actions affect the other sages, and whether they feel threatened by it.
Of course, given that it's ZUN, he probably never had any intent to follow up on it and already forgot about all of it, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

>>47955474
In the very printwork op posted she says she wants to blow up the moon, and makes a comment about how she wanted to see Junko.
Like how Tewi makes a similar comment about being interested in Junko in Reimu's LoLK ending.
So like most other people in Touhou she probably hates the moonies.

>>47955491
I wouldn't take anything she said there at face value.
Or anywhere, really.
Okina is very much a character whose actions always have a hidden aspect behind her outward actions and what she states to be her motivations, and she's truly not to be trusted.
I at least trust Yukari in that she wants Gensokyo to be a place where youkai thrive and humanity survives, and Kasen's stated goals can reasonably be assumed to be truthful, but Okina? Everything's up in the air with her.

>>47955543
It's even hinted at in the book itself that she's putting on an act there.

>>47955543
I mean yeah, 'blow up the moon' is a clear exaggeration but we don't have anything else to go off of for her motive and she goes out of her way to scout people who hate the loonies and she fucks with them during her festival plan so she probably doesn't like them.

>>47945108
Yeah I'm pretty sure syncretization would be the biggest contributing factor there, with that being further amplified through however long Mai & Satono have been involved in things which is hard to gauge from our perspectives besides 'long enough' to no longer be considered completely Human (unless there's details from the print works I'm missing). I'm assuming it's been centuries since she's last had new underlings.
Yukari would've needed as many other unique individuals as she could get ahold of to compensate for all her shortcomings so there's likely a number of avenues we could debate over too with that, though I think that'd be leaning into speculation rather than legitimate lore-based discussion.
>>47949648
Sounds pretty fortuitous, I still only have a Merry and a Cirno figurine myself but hopefully the Kanako is just as high-quality and wasn't too expensive compared to everything else.
Did you run into that religious merchant as well? You don't have to give many details, I was actually wondering what you've been up to yesterday but I was busy so neat to see you. Hope life's been decent.
>>47955474
>I'm curious as to what Okina's actually planning towards.
It would be nice to eventually see a greater scope to her relations/secret machinations beyond essentially just getting her name out there but, like you said, we're dealing with ZUN writing here. His lack of interest in following-through with certain plots & what-have-you will always make me feel just a little bitter but I guess I should be used to that by now.
Wouldn't be surprised if it escalates into another lunar conflict though, maybe not on the same level as the Genso-Lunar War but still.

>>47955569
>out of her way to scout people who hate the loonies
There's no indication of that, really.
From what we see of her own thoughts (which *should* be trustworthy, even for her), she only knew about vague rumors involving forces from Hell plotting something against Gensokyo (and when aren't they, really?), and used the fairy crystallization scheme to bait them into making a move.
There's no indication that she was particularly aware of which people were planning anything, nor that a hell fairy was hanging around (or at least not her identity), and definitely not that there was someone involved with a grudge against the moon.

She just knew that the crystal fairies would attract vengeful spirits, which would necessitate the powers of Hell to take some sort of action. Her keeping an eye on Cirno to see what she and the fairies of Gensokyo would do was probably just a secondary goal she could pursue at the same time, and it was simply extremely fortuitously that this pulled in Clownpiece and allowed her to accomplish all of her goals at the same time.
She did meet with Hecatia afterwards, where she could've learned about her animosity towards the Lunarians, but this obviously was not something she knew from the onset.
Also, there's nothing that indicates that Yuuma cares at all about the Moonies, so the only real connection between them is that they're both from Hell.

For what's it worth (possibly none since this is speculation based on IRL mythologies), the Big Dipper which is very prominently featured on Okina's design is associated with both Shinto and Taoist creation myths. She certainly flexes as having equivalent power within Gensokyo.

The Big Dipper had a particularly prominent role in Taoism. Here perhaps the most relevant fact is that the early Chinese astrological & calender system was based on the rotation of the constellation around the North Star.

Okina's powers related to four seasons suggest some kind of connection to the element of time. There's some indications that Gensokyo's 60 year calendrical cycle (based on the Chinese system) is out of sync with the one in the outside world.

To create a time cycle that is separate from the outside world, they would need a "timekeeper" of their own. Since recreating the lunar, solar and Jovian cycles that make up the modern Chinese system is a huge hassle, a synthetic variant of North Star + Big Dipper would have to do. Wouldn't it be funny if the "Hidden Star" was really Gensokyo's equivalent of one of the most visible ones..?

Thus, having been hoisted to a role that is akin to a creator deity and a maintainer of Gensokyo's natural cycles, Okina finds hers powers growing to match the new status. Mental and physical energies wax and wane with the change of seasons after all, and it's a kind of pop-Taoist, yin-yang, hun-po type of idea you could expect from ZUN.

But this is just speculation that really hinges on Gensokyo's time cycle being out of sync with the Outside world.

>>47955724
>Heactia
I was more thinking of after she learned of Hecatia and talked to her, she then learned of Junko. Then Okina would go on the mastermind a situation where she could witness Junko.
I wasn't implying Okina started the fairy gem incident in order to draw out Hecatia, since we do see her thoughts there and I agree with you about that.
>Also, there's nothing that indicates that Yuuma cares at all about the Moonies, so the only real connection between them is that they're both from Hell.
Yes, I wasn't implying anything about Yuuma I should have been more clear about what I meant.

>>47955837
>mastermind a situation where she could witness Junko
Something like "Hey, Hecatia, there's gonna be a big danmaku festival if you wanna join. Bring a friend."?
I don't think there was much masterminding there. And even then, it shows no indication that she was at all looking for anti-Moon people, so much as that she wanted to see just what Junko (a ludicrously powerful person) could do. If Okina was scheming something larger there, it would probably be about seeing what Yukari would pull to stop the chaos (and her somehow bringing in a high-ranking Lunarian goddess was likely not something Okina ever expected).
None of it really tells us anything about Okina's own motivations, though, and we're not given any solid reason to think that the youkai god has beef with the Lunar Capital. Just that she now consorts with some seriously ridiculous figures, which presumably worries Yukari to no end.

It's incredible that there's actually a debate about whether or not Okina would have beef with the Lunar Capital when her mythological basis explicitly includes Okuninushi, who was ordered by the Amatsukami (The Kami associated with the Lunar Capital, in this case) to relinquish his claims over the Earth's Land. Unlike Yukari, who at best we can speculate begrudges the Moon for something presumably happening to Renko, Okina has a much clearer motive.

>>47956024
ZUN isn't going to bring this up again.
He is going to move on to another plotline that has nothing to do with older characters. T19 pretty much concluded the Hell arc.

>>47956094
Okuninushi in Touhou has been explicitly sealed away because the Lunarians were worried about any potential retaliation, so any aspects relevant to Okina should not have the Lunarian grudge attached. There would be a clear separation there.
For all we know, his being sealed away only made it easier for Okina to syncretize the useful parts onto her own being, which would only give her even less of a reason to mind them.

>>47945108
HA HA! Wide inchling.

>>47956024
>Something like "Hey, Hecatia, there's gonna be a big danmaku festival if you wanna join. Bring a friend."?
>I don't think there was much masterminding there. And even then, it shows no indication that she was at all looking for anti-Moon people, so much as that she wanted to see just what Junko (a ludicrously powerful person) could do.
I mean she worked alongside Shimy and co to cause chaos to bring out Junko and test Yukari's reaction, and even then she's still going out of her way to try to associate with Junko who wants to fuck over the loonies. There's not much reason to get involved with Junko unless you're going against the loonies, otherwise why even bother in the first place, the loonies are all Junko cares about.
>If Okina was scheming something larger there, it would probably be about seeing what Yukari would pull to stop the chaos (and her somehow bringing in a high-ranking Lunarian goddess was likely not something Okina ever expected).
I mean that's literally what Okina does and she doesn't have to antipicate Yukari was going to grab the moonies themselves since she knew Junko was fucking around the entire time and putting on a show. It looks like chaos from the outside but it's actually controlled and Okina did end up testing Yukari's response.
>None of it really tells us anything about Okina's own motivations, though, and we're not given any solid reason to think that the youkai god has beef with the Lunar Capital. Just that she now consorts with some seriously ridiculous figures, which presumably worries Yukari to no end.
She consorts with powerful women both of which hate the Lunarians or at least hate them via Chang'e and although she makes it as a joke the best indication of her motivation is her statement about wanting to blow up the moon. Which is probably her being hyperbolic about not liking the Lunarians.
But I have to ask, if she doesn't like the Lunarians, what do you think her motive is?

>>47956129
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the notion that it means Okina doesn't have a reason to mind the Lunarians, especially considering how heavily she seems to focus on what amounts to political maneuvers in dealing with other major powers in Gensokyo and the Otherworlds associated with it.
>>47956194
>the loonies are all Junko cares about.
It's incredibly how so much of /jp/, the literal Touhou Containment Board, only knows Touhou through memes.

>>47956575
>It's incredibly how so much of /jp/, the literal Touhou Containment Board, only knows Touhou through memes.
Yeah yeah, I get it she's mad at Chang'e because of her dead son, so she wants to kill her. Her dislike of the Lunarians comes from her dislike of Chang'e and if they allowed her to kill Chang'e she would fuck off.
But she's still, presumbly working against the Lunarians and in WaHH she's included in the list of unresolved incidents. Not to mention Chang'e isn't dead yet, Junko doesn't like the loonies and is still working against them and if somebody seeks her out to associate with her that looks suspicious and may hint towards that character disliking the Lunarians.

>>47956619
>she would fuck off
[Citation needed]

>>47956619
>But she's still, presumbly working against the Lunarians
>>47956891
>[Citation needed]
Did both of you just somehow forget that she's stated to be letting go of her grudge after LoLK? And then she just sort of fucked off to Senkai.

>>47956902
Yes.
I thought Junkos whole deal was that she was LITERALLY just pure furies anger, she killed her sons murderer, so she doubled it and gave it to the next person, and in the case that she could kill Change''''' she would just find a new target, because shes rage incarnate.

>>47956912
Chang'e was always involved with Hou'yi killing his and Junko's kid, though.

>>47955722
Good to as you again, as well. Things have been oddly eventful and full of synchronicity, though generally pleasant. Hope you have been living the good life since we last spoke here, as well as everyone else here for that matter. She was the Griffin Enterprises version with the reflective mirror on her chest, ran me about $135. Didn't actually see him there this time, but he comes and goes with the wind and travels all over the country so there's no telling when he may show up. Most of his stuff is from a local in Nagasaki but occasionally gets stuff from the broader Tokyo area. As for details, I ended up at a movie theater and watching Howls moving castle after a wild hair, so for whoever was referencing that from last time (forgive me, I get a few of you mixed up still), you actually popped in my head about midway through the scene in the past segment.... funny how this circles back around, huh?

>>47957092
Never said she wasnt, I was saying that the main culprit was Chang'es husband, and when Junko got rid of him she turned to the next target in the guiltyness chain, and she will do it again with more and more "unrelated" targets.

Okina is a pedophile.

>has two underage servants that she freezes in their peaks (they might or might not be virgins)
>has an entire sashiki-warashi (all little girls) spy network inside her backdoor pleasure island
>always aim to recruit lolis like Cirno, Flandre and Toutetsu
>probably has an extensive collection of fairy creepshots

No wonder Kasen is embarrassed.

>>47957428
That's you presuming there are any further targets in the chain of guilt.
She opposes the Lunarians because they're in the way of her enacting vengeance upon Chang'e, but there's no indication of her subsequently holding a grudge against them for doing so.
She's shown to be pretty reasonable outside of the whole Chang'e thing, finding Reisen, a former minion of her rival's interesting, and wishing to talk courteously with Eirin, who was directly involved in her latest defeat and is heavily implied to have done so numerous times before.
Junko does not hate them, only Chang'e, and if Chang'e dies, Junko's grudge would end.

Some of you seem to forget that Chang'e won't really die even if Junko is allowed to 'kill' her a billion times. The Lunarians take the pragmatic approach by keeping her in prison, away from Junko.

>>47957999
Can you prove to me that Junko can't purify him out of existance?

>>47958016
Only if you prove me that she can first.

>>47955474
Can't Yukari use her ability to manipulate boundaries to freely siphon power off Okina? She's a wheel-hoisted battery.

>>47957683
>underage
>peak
Anon...have you considered that you might be the pedophile here..?

>>47958292
Yukari has one of those vague "do-anything" abilities that can do whatever the plot needs from her except for all the things it can't do, so no, she can't.
There's not really a border to manipulate there, anyway, it's displacement of energy. She could mess with the border between human and non-human that Mai and Satono are on, though, since that's exactly in line with her power.
>>47958335
Are the dancers even lolis in the first place? They always came off to me as being in their late teens, a little older than Reimu and the other leads.

>>47948552
ZUN really isn't trustworthy. Yukari brought together Okina and Co. to create Gensokyo in the first place but simultaneously can't handle a single vengeful spirit?
Incompetent isn't what I'd call her.

>>47957148
Nice to hear things have been alright with you too, I've been taking everything as well as I can but that's still been mostly good. Just the usual anxieties every so often. That figurine sounds excellent, my Cirno is also the Griffin Enterprises version but that was something I was gifted years ago as a teen. I don't remember them being that expensive but yours was a convention snag and it does sound high-quality so (shrug). I'm sure that merchant is just busy elsewhere too.
>Howls moving castle
That was in-fact me! For as much as I've tried to ease up a little on the "reaching out" shenanigans that moment has still stuck with me and for good reason. Hopefully I don't mess things up too badly somehow before the fated encounter...
>>47955815
>Wouldn't it be funny if the "Hidden Star" was really Gensokyo's equivalent of one of the most visible ones..?
>this is just speculation that really hinges on Gensokyo's time cycle being out of sync with the Outside world
I think you still have a pretty solid basis for that kind of speculation here given her historical background but yeah. It's a shame we'll never get a concrete explanation on the way time fully functions within the Barrier since ZUN wants most of the girls to be vaguely ageless or at least stuck as they are, for the most part, while history continues on in its own funny way. It's just one of those hitches where you have to suspend your disbelief a bit.
>>47956097
>T19 pretty much concluded the Hell arc
Really makes me curious as to what TH20 will bring to the scene but that's all still up in the air as well if I'm not mistaken. Maybe it'll end up being the big finale even? Could be a long shot but just throwing things out there really.
>>47957915
>Junko does not hate them, only Chang'e
We don't exactly have much to go off of when it comes to any of Hecatia's potential plans for the moonies beyond LoLK either, right? She resents them as a whole for multiple reasons, yes, but she hasn't really followed-through with any direct action after her initial Dreamland scheme has she? Has she just been keeping an eye on Gensokyo as a whole since then?
>>47958292
Might be a bit of a stretch considering Okina would likely be aware if someone was tapping into her own potential parasitically, plus that'd create even more tension between notable Sages which feels like a Genso-destabilizing incident just waiting to boil over. Yukari's boundary manipulation is reaching for sure but certainly not completely all-powerful and without some 'basic' reason, essentially what >>47958465 is saying.

>>47958465
Well we at least know that originate from after Gensokyo was founded so they're a hundred something at most.
But I agree physically I see them as either late teens of early adults, 21 at most.

>>47958088

>>47960592
If you're going to wikisurf, at least do it properly.

>>47961040
so does that make Aunn a god?

>>47961322
Yes? She is another kami since that is what those dog lions are.

>>47958531
>We don't exactly have much to go off of when it comes to any of Hecatia's potential plans for the moonies beyond LoLK either, right? She resents them as a whole for multiple reasons, yes, but she hasn't really followed-through with any direct action after her initial Dreamland scheme has she? Has she just been keeping an eye on Gensokyo as a whole since then?
I don't think she had actual plans to do anything to the Lunarians before or after.
Her involvement completely blindsided even Eirin, which seems unlikely if she was already an established enemy of the Lunar Capital.
Hecatia only got involved because Junko asked her for help, but otherwise seems to just leave them alone well enough, which is in line with her established personality where she thinks people are free to do as they like, so as long as they're just being cunts on the far side of the moon, Hecatia will leave them alone and just occasionally talk shit about them.
My guess as to why Hecatia chose to help Junko references the most famous myth Hecate is involved with, the Rape of Persephone, where she decided to aid Demeter in the search for her daughter. Hecatia just has a soft spot for mothers angry about her children.
Now that Junko's current revenge plot ended and Hecatia has no direct motivation to act against the Lunarians again, she just focuses on her plan to revitalize Hell by introducing nature, which is why she's gotten involved with Gensokyo. Or maybe that's just her Earth-body's plans, and the other two may be different.

Personally, I'd like to know more about the level of influence she has over Hell, and the difference between the Earth, Moon, and Otherworld hells.
From her profile in SCoOW, it's implied that she used to rule Hell much more directly (though the wiki translation seems to have skipped "以前" in the sentence, but is nowadays considered an outlaw, which may explain why the Yama are implied to be in control of Hell. I wish we got more details about Hell's functioning, since despite it being so prominent in Touhou the past years, we still know little about it.

>>47945108
Okina's entire deal is that she went through fuckton of different names and identities as a god so she has a lot of different Godly powers.

>>47964367
Is not it somewhere stated that the reason why Hecatia decided to help Junko is because apparently Houyi, Junko's husband supposedly shoot down all the suns except one that lead to less shadow and thus less ways for hell inhabitants to move or some shit.
Which completely makes no sense because it references completely different legend than stuff about Chang'e and the two Houyis are different people. But oh well, Zun.

>>47967497
I wonder if that is related to the myth about how in October all the kami gather at Ookuninushi's shrine?
>>47967560
>the two Houyis are different people
In our mythology yes, but if I remember correctly there is some bit in Touhou lore about the two Houyis are the same person.

>>47967560
I'm pretty sure those Hou'yi's are both the same, but yes, it was Hou'yi shooting down 9 of Hell's 10 Suns. Considering that Hecatia apparently can't just remake them, it also is a great way to shut down powerscaling wankers.

>>47967560
>Is not it somewhere stated that the reason why Hecatia decided to help Junko is because apparently Houyi, Junko's husband supposedly shoot down all the suns except one that lead to less shadow and thus less ways for hell inhabitants to move or some shit.
Kinda, but it's not really presented as if it was really that big of a deal to her:
>...that said, though, her hatred of Chang'e is mostly due to Junko's influence anyway.
Hou Yi is already long dead, anyway, and we don't even know if Chang'e was involved with the sun thing, since we don't get any details about it. Eirin's explanation of Junko doesn't ever refute that Junko's grudge is reasonable (with Chang'e being described by Eirin as being "evil" in some way), so it's fairly safe to assume that she had a hand in Bofeng's death, but we don't know how it actually happened.
At any rate, Hecatia is clearly not driven by revenge herself.
>Which completely makes no sense because it references completely different legend than stuff about Chang'e and the two Houyis are different people. But oh well, Zun.
Yeah, I'm always hesitant to fill in the gaps in Touhou lore through the mythology and folklore that inspired it, with which parts ZUN uses and ignores in Touhou, where you often have to look at things through a really specific lens for it to make sense (mixing Takamagahara with the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter is just wack). I'm still surprised he even included the whole incest part of the Watatsuki sisters, despite that part of their source mythology not being relevant to anything.

>>47967734
>mixing Takamagahara with the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter is just wack
ZUN was really cooking with the Moon mythology, I just don't know what the dish is supposed to be.

I saw some guy ask an interesting question on the Chen thread and it got my nogging jogging.
So why is that Chen doesnt have the "Yakumo" part of the name? Is it because the shikigami hasnt taken over the cat? If the Shikigami took over would she "gain" the surname like what happened with Ran?

>>47969966
Honestly? The simple answer is probably just that Yukari may very well realistically not recognize Chen as part of her whole group, considering that Chen was seemingly made independently of her orders.

>>47970057
>her whole group
>group
2 people

>>47970072
Don't forget all her friend, like Yuyuko, and, uh... Yuyuko!

>>47970077
>Yuyuko
Gonna have to put an asterisk there, chief.
>>47970057
Thats cruel, it doesnt seem like Yukari doesnt like Chen, sure she may treat her more like a pet and less like a "tool" but damn, enough to disown her? Thats a lot.
Youd think she would appreciate having more people around since its a canonical fact that Yukari is not well liked.

>>47969966
>>47970087
Isn't she still a shiki in training? Ran still treats her like a kid after all.
I feel like its more about her being too inexperienced to earn the name than anything else.

>>47969966
I was gonna try bumping the Chen thread with an answer for this but yeah, I think it's far more along the lines of what >>47970087 and >>47970233 are talking about.
Chen can't be any more than a century or so old herself, still just under 200 years at most if I had to presume anything. Her split tail is normally indicative of a Nekomata, a far-more fearsome & terrorizing variant of Cat Youkai, but considering she's been officially labelled as both that and a Bakeneko before we could just be dealing with another case of ZUN mashing together overlapping folklore, as is the custom.
Nevertheless, Ran has recently been defined as technically both the fox and the Shikigami itself after all this time spent with Yukari (though atm I forget where that elaboration stems from exactly). It wouldn't be remiss to consider them as nearly the same being, so I don't think Yukari is exactly waiting for Chen to be completely superimposed by her Shikigami side per say. Her immaturity stems from both her youth and the fact that Ran, through all her legitimate feats of intelligence, still isn't a 100% perfect mentor/controller of her own shared-pet. Yukari isn't even perfect, but is still leagues above the both of them even if she doesn't always let on to her own faults. The quality of that programming is directly based on the strength of the will & overall capabilities of its master coder. If anything, Chen might end up more "deserving" of the Yakumo family name once Ran finally manages to keep a solid-enough grip over her own abilities of directing long enough for Chen to act consistently competent or more mature through her actions.
Right now though she's still pretty silly compared to her masters and can't always hold her own, which makes her loveable all the same, but a spiritual pet she must remain for now due to this.

>>47971710
>If anything, Chen might end up more "deserving" of the Yakumo family name once Ran finally manages to keep a solid-enough grip over her own abilities of directing long enough for Chen to act consistently competent or more mature through her actions.
I am an absolute sucker for these sorts of developments and am eternally grateful for fanworks in a series where things will never significantly progress on that front.
Well, unless you consider her getting a tabard to be significant progress.

>>47971742
>spoiler
Ok but that was at least a very cute outfit change for her to receive...for a very short time, I'm a fan of the fresher look at least.
We take what we can get with ZUN story progression sometimes. (Scraps.)

>>47971742
Only know of a fangame that does this, still, that was a detail that I loved.
That was the detail that made me ask that question in the Chen thread.

>>47969966
>So why is that Chen doesnt have the "Yakumo" part of the name?
That's the wrong approach to take.
The real question is not why Chen doesn't possess the Yakumo name, but why Ran carries it.

Yukari obviously didn't take Ran as her wife, nor is Ran ever treated as a daughter, so it's safe to assume that Yukari didn't give her the name because she saw her as family.
Rather, the logical conclusion is that Ran was given the Yakumo name to signify her new role. As Yukari's shikigami, part of her duties involve acting throughout Gensokyo on Yukari's behalf, especially during winter, when Yukari is not active herself.
In giving her the Yakumo name, Ran is fully empowered to serve as Yukari's representative, possessing the full authority of her master to act as she sees fit.

Since Yukari has no need for a second deputy, and Chen obviously wouldn't be trusted to act in that capacity, either, Chen naturally wouldn't be given the name.
The idea wouldn't even come up; to Yukari, Chen is just an occasionally useful tool of her shikigami, and not someone she'd consider all that important to herself.

>>47974114
>Yukari obviously didn't take Ran as her wife
This is wrong

>>47974122
Yukari still isn't so desperate that she'd go jailhouse gay, anon.
She will snatch the man of her dreams, soon!

Does anyone know where the Shou and Nazrin where definitively not sealed underground idea comes from?
I see stuff like >>47932814 but I'm not sure if there was ever a canon statement about that.

>>47981833
The phrasing of the characters and setting explanation txt file with the game. Shou's dialogue seems to more just be grouping the Myouren Temple gang together.

>>47981833
It could be worded like that in Shou's profile, since it says she stayed at the old temple even after Hijiri and the rest were sealed.
The other issue comes from her boss dialog where she says was with the other followers waiting for the opportunity to unseal their leader.
It's kind of a mess.

>>47977228
Anon, you're delusional.

>>47973421
What was the fangame?

>>47989426
Return of Touhou Mother.