/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>4758236
If I had started drawing when I first wanted to learn to start drawing, I would have been drawing for over a decade now. I probably won't start drawing now either because I'm just not willful enough, I am a loser and will always be a loser.

>>4758249
Fascinating, young man.

>>4758249

Lose the loser mentally Anon. Just try to find something you really like to draw. Copying is totally fine, it's tracing that is the enemy you should stay away from. Also don't push your self for it to be perfect just try to relax and enjoy yourself.

My problem is I never finish anything. I don't think I've ever actually finished a picture. Its like, I know I could finish it, but I've already got all I can out of it so I stop.

Feels bad, man.

>>4758272

Every time I try to draw something I give up right away after some traces, because it's looking awful. I know that I shouldn't simply stop and should just keep drawing, but it's so hard to keep going forward like that.

I'm not >>4758249

In before study anatomy for years and later apply style.

>>4758301

Stay away from tracing if you can. You will grow faster drawing it from eye. Also don't be afraid to rub it out 15 million times. When I first started I did a small drawing which took hours and I used the rubber alot, but when it was finished damn I was proud.

>>4758295

I get that feeling some times but I just grind through it. I'm not really too sure how to help you with that. Mabye you aren't drawing something enjoyable? I know when I'm doing studies I get bored really damn fast.

Ah, it's annoying though, the problem with doodling, is you do it (..or at least I do it) whenever you could between something 'important'. Math classes and the like.

Now, with virtually unlimited time do draw anything, (Virtually a NEET here) I find it difficult to bring myself to draw anything, too busy now distracting myself from drawing (which had been a distraction from working) with MMOs mindless banter on IRC and listlessly browsing the chans..

And it always aggravating. So much crap bottled up in my head I want to draw, and I have difficulty getting it down on paper.

Any suggestion for that?

Why use flockdraw when we have our own paintchat?

>>4758327
Take thumb out of arse

I tried. I'm still shit. I'll keep trying but I'll always be shit.

>>4758301
I had this problem before. Try to focus on slowly copying the lines of whatever you're drawing. Try to make the lines curve the same way. Take it very slow. Also, try copying something simple like this image.

>>4758327

Willpower. Try to stay away from distractions and just focus on a single task. You have the want you just need to apply it.

Something that might help you if you have a graphics tablet is drawing with the other hikkis on flockdraw. Right now it's being trolled by eraser-kun and he shows no signs of letting up.

What about drawing with a mouse? No matter how hard I try, things I draw like that always end up even worse than stuff I draw with a normal pencil and stuff.

>>4758338

Looking good man, keep up the hardwork.

Stop going to that shitty flockdraw, /jp/ has its own pchat.

I really wanted to be a flash animator actually, have some really nifty ideas that I just wanna put into action, but it's too much of a time investment and I really need to establish financial security first.

>>4758345
Why are you surprised at this? Shouldn't it be obvious that you'll draw a lot better with a pencil than a mouse?

>>4758348
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>>4758345

Mouse drawing is hard but it's possible, takes some dedication. This picture might help you. And yes it's from deviant art but the information is correct and will help you out.

Alright, OP. You've managed to work me up, I'm going to try and get a schedule going of at least half an hour drawing a day.

>>4758348

flockdraw is quick and dirty. Also acts as a filter for trolls for pchan.

>>4758350

Financial security then relization of dreams. Some day eventually becomes today

>>4758340

Ah, of course, drawing with others is always more fun than drawing alone, even if you're the only one drawing and the others are watching.

..Well, maybe not so much the latter.

>>4758345

You'd be surprised what you can do with a mouse. I'd much prefer it to a tablet when it came to finer detail stuff.

>>4758338

Quit being so modest. That's quite good, and I like how the hair turned out, as inane as that may sound.

>drawing with a mouse
please don't

>>4758323

Yeah, maybe I should just force myself to finish something. I guess its just lack of ambition and motivation in my case.

Pic related, I did this back in September or whenever that game came out. Never finished it. I've got folders full of this stuff.

Easiest way to check for mistake or when you have that feeling that something looks odd, flip your draw/flip horizontal. It will be so damn obvious you feel like bunching yourself in the balls for not noticing it before.

>>4758249
よ、俺

>>4758357
>breizer
>breizer

Someone is a retard who can't spell "bezier"

Alright. Even though I am still terrible, I do enjoy a doodle every now and then. If I do practice hard, all I want to do is draw moe 4koma comics. Things like Kbub. I'll give Fun with a pencil a try OP.

I wish I had your mentality, OP. I tell myself everyday to just start doing it and work at it even if I realize at first it will suck, but I just can't. The thought that I will fail and will never be able to make anything decent cripples me completely. I collect images as references and study what I like about them and how they must've drawn it, and how you could reproduce an effect, etc. but I just cannot bring a pencil to paper. I've been doing this for over 5 years now and I'm still sitting here not getting any further. I just never feel "ready" for it and I probably never will.

>>4758956

Go with photoshop then. If you can't create, than manipulate.

>>4758988
I have used Photoshop in the past, though I have no interest at all in shopping images (I know some people can make good shops, it just doesn't interest me enough to create them). I've thought of colouring what others have drawn but I don't like it, it just doesn't feel like it's my own (because it's not, obviously). What I have done in the past is: someone made a sketch for me, I inked it in Flash and then did (shitty) shading in PS. I have in the past doodled sketches of very basic cartoon characters but anything more complex always looked horrible. By now I have too much doubt that I could ever become decent that it stops me from doing anything at all.

It also doesn't help that my room is a mess, my desk is a mess, my computer is a complete mess and my head is a mess also.

What she said.

>>4758956
>>4759042
I have three tips, since I was basically in the same boat for a long time:

1-Only draw things you like (whether that be touhou or whatever). This way your drawing will have some meaning to you even if it's ugly.

2-Draw very simple images and only copy images when you first start out. This way you can see some success and understand what you're doing wrong much more quickly ( something like "huh, there isn't enough room for the eyes, I guess I made the face smaller than it was supposed to be".)

3-Listen to music that you really enjoy while drawing. This makes any task more enjoyable, so it'll help you get the urge to start.

Last time i was on flockdraw /v/fags came and scripted it and erased everything... And hes still there

Its been two days

>>4759770
Thanks, yes I should start with simple things first, and I actually do tell myself that there will be failure and I shouldn't be disheartened by it. Actually, accepting failure and that it doesn't mean that if you failed once you have completely failed or will keep failing is something I'm trying to learn. Same with that I need to tell myself I don't have to finish things in one go, that some things take a while and that, regrettably, not everything will end up perfect.

I listen to music a lot, but I get distracted by it when doing work, so I usually don't do anything except maybe casually browse while listening to music.

Pretty much what everyone is saying here, just draw and you'll eventually get better eventually.

I started off with heads and I've mostly got that sorted now, but I'm moving onto bodies and I'm back to being absolute crap.

Doesn't mean I'll stop, I'm starting to practice drawing them as well (although if anyone has any tips I won't complain..)

>>4760301
>I started off with heads and I've mostly got that sorted now, but I'm moving onto bodies and I'm back to being absolute crap.
Same here. It's embarrassing to post such failures in the OC/drawthreads (and I occasionally get grilled for it), but oh well.

>>4760377
You're anonymous, Anonymous. Just don't give a shit.

http://chat.pixiv.net/
I find watching some of these will spur me into drawing some malformed animu shit.

hey OP post you're drawings and doodles.

I draw from time to time. I'm pretty good at drawing but not super awesome at drawing.

>>4760761
reported, read the rules faggot

reporting /jp/ unrelated thread

PaintTool SAI is a good drawing program, by the way.

>>4760795
Indeed.

wow awesome talent guys

>>4760769

reported for abusing the report system, enjoy your ban. forwarded to moot.

great work guys.

I've actually been trying to get serious about my drawing recently. Right now I've been copying some images and stuff. Should I just keep doing this? I'll end up working on something for an hour a day mostly, it turns out alright.

>>4760862
Practice makes perfect.

Illustrator is nice for people like myself that can't draw..

>>4760870

Thanks, I felt giddy once I got my first one done it turned out better than I expected. I'm just hoping I'll get somewhere if I continue.

I've always thought about improving my drawing skills. But I want to know if there's a disadvantage to not taking any art classes. All of my art have been self taught or through observations, but I've never had the chance to properly learn how to color,shade, or tone things correctly. Looking at myself now, my drawings have improved, but not in the direction and pace I want it to be at.

I want to restart all of that so where should I begin? How many hours a day should I practice? Which fundamentals are the most important to learn and master first before going on to the advanced parts?
Should I even bother with color, or just stick with black and white/pencil tones?

>>4760890
Same happened with me bro.

>>4760893
http://icrit.org/resources.html
Someone posted this a while ago, I think it has nice info.

Get your fav. pencil, and start browsing for some images, then try to copy them, if you want print it out, and follow the lines to another paper.

>>4760893
Here's something more recent I did. I'm at the cross roads of still trying to draw things with actual structure and form or branching out to do something more abstract.

Been doodling for a while now. I started with very rough sketches just to learn how limbs are connected to the torso. Also practiced with different poses. Damn hard at first.

>>4759770
>3-Listen to music that you really enjoy while drawing. This makes any task more enjoyable, so it'll help you get the urge to start.

I try to choose what to listen to because the music WILL influence your mood and what you'll wanna draw

Take it from an "artist" in slump;

DO NOT NEGLECT DRAWING FROM REAL LIFE. SPEND ALL YOUR TIME ON ANIME AND MANGA AND IT WILL FUCK YOU OVER, LEARN ART THEORY AND THEN YOU CAN SPEND TIME BREAKING RULES AND STYLIZING.

I really need to start up again...

>>4761506
Its better to be able to draw in many styles than stick to just one style amirite?

>>4761506

It's an advice for people who are serious about art.

The average /jp/ drawfag just likes to doodle stuff and take it easy. They can revisit theory if they want something more than that.

>>4761506

True, but I think people should just draw what they like first to get started.

I wish I knew our paintchat.

>>4761559
>>4762119
This. Unless you want to become a professional, don't bother with realism. If you're the typical /jp/er, you'll hate 3D, and especially wasting time drawing it.

>>4760795
Is that a boy or a girl? Regardless, it's cute, so I saved it.

It's hard to stay motivated when it comes to drawing lately. In the end I just retreat back to stuff I'm more familiar with like music.

Also, did that one Anon ever find those e-books on music theory?

So I don't listen to music when I draw, I have the TV on. Should I have the music on instead?

I draw whatever I want, but my academic adviser said I should be doing life drawing, even though Life Drawing club is always on days I don't have class (I actually go to school, but for animation).

>>4763713
Yeah. Just search for music theory in a torrent search and a bunch will pop up. I haven't looked at any yet.

As far as art goes, fuck even attempting realism until I'm comfortable with the idea of drawing in the first place. I'm going to go attempt to copy my favorite SD artists and fail horribly even at that right now.

>>4761506 LEARN ART THEORY
Ahaha oh wow.

You think this guy learned "art theory"?

How the fuck do you learn to color? I've see some of the shittiest art not look as bad because it has nice coloring and effects. How come shitty artists can color so well?

>>4764141
Yes, yes I do. This is professional artwork, frankly it looks a bit by-the-numbers even.

>>4761506
When will people learn manga style and realism are incompatible? If you don't learn manga by drawing manga, you will only be able to make avatar looking shit.

OP here guys.

It's good to see everyone gets the most important part which is just to draw. That is when all things start, by just doing it. For those who want to progress a bit further in art then just doodles you would need to start learning art theory. Anime is easy and fun to draw but it is ultimately art at a very simple form, some might argue otherwise but it's what I understand from it. And once you start going through art theory you realise just how much you didn't know about art and just how hard it can be. If you can hold on art theory for a few years you will start to see some insane improvements. You could even draw at doujin or better level too. This takes years and even once you think you've mastered it you will find another difficulty curve. For those who want that more information on art theory hit up this place http://www.icrit.org/resources.html Theres loads of information here available. From what I can remember the first steps of art theory are anatomy, aesthetics, construction and the 3 perspective points.

It's good to see /jp/ really does want to do something you just gotta have that willpower to start. I know it's hard, I also have problems starting but you just got to try your hardest to convince yourself, once you start time will just fly by.

>>4764189
Study Impressionist artwork.

>>4764202
>Anime is easy and fun to draw but it is ultimately art at a very simple form, some might argue otherwise but it's what I understand from it.

It's cartooning is what it is. It's not an attempt to make some bold statement or show skill. It's an attempt to make money by drawing something simple and entertaining.

>>4764211
that image is pretty badass. would make a great skateboard deck or hood decal. more like that or sauce?

doodles not related

>>4764211
Most art I see makes statements like "Flandre is cute in glasses."

>>4764211
Look, are we drawing because we want to be professional artists someday, or are we just doing it because we want to make some cute pictures to entertain ourselves with?

We are doing this for fun, let's keep it fun, we don't need to go for the gold, there will be better artists, much MUCH better artists than you, but does it matter? If you can draw at an acceptable level and you enjoy what you can create, that should be enough. Who gives a shit if you can't make a painting like >>4764141? While it is very good on a technical level I consider it to be extremely boring. That might just be me, though.

>>4764221

Welcome to fan art. Now let's all draw our favorite characters naked and/or in cool poses.

Get a copy of How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way.

>>4764219
http://hushstudio.blogspot.com/

>>4764249
also this guy helped out in these apparently.
http://danbaldwinart.com/

>>4764249
>>4764252
awesome thank you =)

>>4764199 Yes, yes I do.
Well, you're wrong.

>>4764239
But why would we want to draw the Marvell way? They are everything I dislike in cartoons.

>>4764288
You hate cartoons with proper anatomy?

>>4764293
In a way, yes. I hate the realistic, muscle-emphasized style of superhero comics. They are not visually pleasing to me at all. That's why there are pretty much no American comics I like, because it's almost ALWAYS that kind of crap.

When Americans actually make something not in that style, it becomes very good. They just choose to stick to that ugly as sin "realistic" style.

Marvel/DC style comics are a good way to learn anatomy and some perspective. If you aren't intrested in that and only want to doodle then just ingore it.

>>4764189
>>How the fuck do you learn to color? I've see some of the shittiest art not look as bad because it has nice coloring and effects. How come shitty artists can color so well?

Seconded, I would love more info on this.

People are always obsessed with anatomy, but that's only a small part of the battle. I feel that the use of color and light can make a simple "anime" drawing into something a bit more complex.

Sort of like mixing and mastering when it comes to music in a way. Even a simple composition can sound awesome when you mix it right and make good use of your effects.

A better way of learning anatomy than imitating Marvel comics shit: Drawing actual people.

>>4764392
But actual people aren't all 8 heads tall, 3 heads wide, perfectly proportioned supermen. You'll never learn anything with that kind of lazy anatomy.

I have bamboo pen&touch, is it good for starter or should I get intuos for tilt control?

I have a mouse and no source of income. Is that a good starter or should I give up before starting and never think of this again?

>>4764504
I only have a laptop touchpad. Beat that.

>>4764504
What does money have anything to do with this? Just take a pencil, paper and draw.

so you are telling me all I got to do is draw everyday and I'll just improve over time?
I hate to be the pessimist but that just sounds too good to be true,
I tried my hand at drawing when I was a kid but I was never satisfied with what I made
I've got the dexterity of a raging chimp, can that actually be overcomed?

>>4765010
yes.

>>4765010
Have you never heard of the word practice? If you played an instrument every day, you'd improve over time. Is this really a new concept to you?

>>4765010
if you think about what you're doing and try to improve, yes, you will improve.

there are lots of examples of artists that draw for years without ever getting better, however. and I mean really bad artists that could easily improve if they bothered trying.

>>4765041
You have to try really hard to not improve, these are people who never attempt anything new at all and refuse to listen to any constructive criticism.

>>4765047
fine you want to give me constructive criticism?
how do i make this look good

>>4765476
Give it a silly hat.

>>4765476
Practice faces.

>>4765476
Here I redlined it for you.

>>4765476
You should attempt to fill it with more detail and proper form rather than taking quick shortcuts (such as leaving dots for eyes). Also heads tend to be more oval in shape, rather than circular. You should use proper reference at all times in order to understand better what you're drawing. Grab a picture of any mans/womens/touhous face and try to mimic what you see.

>>4765476
ok now what?
>>4765490
ok

>>4765566
Keep practicing.

Get a DA account, you're golden, baby

>>4765566
How about this

>>4765570
Get a DA account, a pixiv account and a blog. But don't post everything to each one, just post your artwork randomly to one of them. This will force people to look at each single one and piss them the fuck off which will be fun for you!

>>4765574
>>4765562
k
though I'm not sure what you mean by proper form

>>4765602
What are you trying to draw? Anime? Realism?

>>4765602
Alright after a few more touches I'll be done. Constructive criticism please?

>>4765612
a face
I guess i was going toward something cartoony

>>4765612

Looks like Snufkin to me.

>>4765602
Better, but I can tell you didn't use reference. Noses don't point outwardly like that, especially at the angle the head is facing. the pupils tend to cover more of the whites in the eye and are more than just dots - you're still skimping on the details. I also suggest moving the mouth lower and getting a proper nose in there. The proportions are a little off. Fix the details of and around the eyes. Lips, cheeks, eye sockets, etc, the more you emphasize these things the more dynamic your face will look. Try using a smaller brush to draw more accurately.

>>4765627
Learn perspective

>>4765642
k

>>4765768
Save as .png instead of .jpg to avoid artifacts.

>>4765790
artifacts?

>>4765627
Oh shit nigga what you doing? that's not moe, not moe at all give me a sec and I'll fix it for you.

>>4765768
You're improving already. The eyes are too oval, and a tad too huge, unless you want to go for the kawaii uguu~ look I suggest making the eyes smaller. The eyebrows are too straight, look at a face to see how they curve along the skull and apply it to your image. The lips look silly, and need to have a more curvy shape. Once again look at a picture of a face to see how it should be formed. Also, I don't understand whats going on with the snail hat thing, but its messing up the forehead. For proportion sake, you should probably change the hat. Also add some ears.

>>4765768
You are clearly drawing with symbols. "Drawing with the right side of the brain" would be a perfect book for you, go download it.

>>4765627
>>4765817
Whew, saved.
Now it's art!

>>4765884
You shut your whore mouth, Jesus-chan is moe enough without your tinkering.

Picture related, Judas x Jesus is my OTP.

>>4765900
GTFO yaoi fag.
It's not even the best pairing!

>>4765909
Who do you ship then, virgin Mary x Mary Magdalene?

>>4765602
Here's your reference.

>>4765818
here you go
new snailhat to fit a new head
couldn't quite figure out what you wanted with the eyebrows
gave it ears
alas I must leave for now
I have to depart from the world of drawing for a few world hours and must partake in the company of physics, derivatives, and
L'hospi-tan[spolier] my nickname for l'hospital rule [/spoiler]
might continue this later if you are still up for it

>>4765839
drawing with symbols?

>>4765983
For the eyebrows, you randomly scribbled squiggly lines so they don't follow any sort of curvature. What you have is better than before, just try various strokes rather than just one giant scribbly line. Or a single line if you want thinner eyebrows. The right ear isnt down far enough, and the right side of the head is bulging - make the right side more smooth and symmetrical to the left. The ends of the eyes are too square and flat, make them more pointed (but not too pointed of course, more of an oval shape). Lips still need work, and the snail hat is still blowing my mind away. Keep at it though, it's kinda fun critiquing this.

>>4765976
This picture is not bitter enough by /jp/ standards.

>>4766142
Gary should be pissed off too.

>>4765983
You actually got a lot better, I'm proud of you, Anon. Small steps will get you there.

>The beginning of adolescence marks the end of artistic development among most children, due to frustration at "getting things right." Those who do manage to weather the crisis and learn the "secret" of drawing will become absorbed in it.

I guess I failed.

Don't be afraid to copy, nothing wrong with it. I can see a number of problems with mine so don't worry you aren't the only one

>>4766538
Of all the people to decide to copy...

>>4766538
You have a tablet?

>>4766637
looks like a mouse

>>4766637

its a tablet with pressure sens turned off. I have a shitty Trust tablet but I don't mind it too much. I'm nothing serious

Been a while since I last drew something.

>>4766687
saten yukkuri?

>>4766719
Dug into the ground.
Sorry, I'm not great at drawing.

I don't think copying, especially with a mouse is a good idea. I, at least, haven't learned anything from it. I have a tablet now, but it's just collecting dust.

>>4766502
What are you quoting?

>>4766794

Well this isn't a true artfag thread, more a novice/spare time draw thread. Nothing wrong with copying as long as your going about it the right way. Don't just think about copying the lines down, think about the shapes, the creases, the clothes etc. Treat it as if it's a life drawing class. Copying manga or anime isn't any good for true artist skill but for fun there isn't anything wrong with it

>>4758327
Sorry, pretty late to the thread, but I just wanted to say this: try to find others to draw with whether it's opencanvas, in real life, anything. I've found it much more motivtional to draw when there're others with me, as opposed to just doing it on my own. When you have friends to watch what you are doing, commenting and criticising / suggesting on your drawings, I found it to be a real motivation to keep going.

>>4766794 What are you quoting?
I don't know where's it from originally, but it was a description of different stages of artistic development in children.

>>4767326

I think thats from drawing on the left side of the brain

>>4767253

Come to the scratchpad.
Draw with Japanese/Korean.
????
Optionaly make friends.
Profit!

I would say come to one of the flockdraw jp channels but thats pointless with someone who is on a mission to ruin any flockdraws that are posted or even in jp and Jp

>>4767574
>ADD kid is 12 years old and cant get layed so he comes here to ruin people's stuff lol

Anyone who supports /jp/ flockdraws is a huge faggot.

NSFW

Planned to have Reisen fingering herself, but decided against it.

>>4767652
>404
Goddammit!

NSFW

Planned to have Reisen fingering herself, but decided against it.

Oops, forgot spoiler.

>>4767735
Classy.

>>4767635

then would you perfer everyone head out too otso.ath.cx:18000/entrance_normal.html instead?

What software do you guys use for lineart? I've been trying photoshop but it feels rather cumbersom. Any better out there?

>>4768099
Illustrator.

>>4768099
Paint Tool SAI. Or Photoshop with proper settings, but that's little more complicated.

I like IllustStudio myself. Some anon shared the link. I can't find it right now but Google is your friend.

It's something in between Photoshop and SAI and I like the layout of tools.

age

>>4758236
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Honto ni gomennasai.
Tue Mar 30 19:22:14 2010974

>>4767340
Funny you should mention that. I've been talking to the artist "tima" lately. She is a very nice person you know.

Become friends with people who do things you want to do is good advice for anything.

open canvas 1.1b 4 lyfe

>>4769826
How to make friends?

I like you guys. Isn't that enough?

>>4769893
Go somewhere people who would do the thing you're interested in would go.
Find person
Try not to look creepy
Say hi
Try not to sound creepy
Make conversation
Try not to talk about creepy things
Work in that you're interested in the thing
Find out they are also interested in the thing
>Become friends
Introduce them to loli manga
Try not to call their fetish creepy

>>4769985
>Try not to look creepy
>Say hi
>Try not to sound creepy
Well shit

>>4768099
SAI is preferable for lineart compared to Photoshop. Tried to use IllustStudio a little bit, but too lazy to experiment with it and figure things out.

do they have a translation for IllustStudio yet?

>>4770198

Mine is in english.

>>4769985
You lost me around step 3. Is there a guide to this anywhere?

>>4770198
http://kureha.no-ip.org/k1/index.php?topic=258.0

It's in English mostly, but some of it is really broken and barely understandable.

>>4770241
so google translated pretty much?

bump

I got this problem with my touchpad that it doesn't react to some part of it. Like there's a rectangle part that doesn't work at all.
Anyone having similar problems?

bamp