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>>4756184
No, the lesson is that you should ALWAYS RAPE THE MAIDS.

Duh.

I thought it was that Beatrice is a bitch and Battler is a tool.
The End

>implying that it's actually a solution

>>4756202
Except for Anime Battler, he's pretty cool.

No, Battler made a promise to a butler who was crossdressing as a maid at the time, causing said butler to create a double identity where he really was a girl, so that Battler could really take her with him when he got back.

>>4756226
Kanon is a delicious black haired loli.
Search your heart, you know it to be true.

>>4756191
Wasn't that what caused Shannon to go crazy and kill everyone?

>>4756184

>And we're supposed to feel SORRY for said maid?

Hey it worked in Tsukihime

>>4757751
Kohaku was actually a good character, and she didn't slaughter people needlessly.

Shannon, on the other hand, kills people because a twelve year old made a "promise" to her.

That somehow gives her the right to slaughter and decieve everyone who has ever cared for her, ever.

>implying shannon is the culprit

>>4757766
Two episodes to go, bro.
I doubt they'd make a series revolve around the fact that Beatrice didn't commit the murders and have the answer be that..... Beatrice committed the murders.

>>4757774
>Implying she isn't

Yeah, Shannon did it all.

But she's not crazy!

She's just a little.... unwell.

You know, regardless of who Beatrice is, I think it is a mistake to assume that that person is also the (only) murderer. It should be fairly obvious that there are a number of factors at work here, and there is no way that all the murders are being carried out by a single person.

However, if you try to tag Beatrice not as a murderer, but rather a 'facilitator' things might make a bit more sense. She may still kill depending on the situation, but she is also aware of the various other factions among the people on the island and she knows what buttons to push to get the results she wants.

>>4757791
I'm sorry, but your logic has no place in present day Umineko threads.

>>4757791
This.
Regardless of what Beatrice and her servants may be up to, Nanjo, Kyrie, Jessica, and Rosa are just too damn sketchy to ignore.

>>4757751
I didn't feel that sympathetic toward Kohaku but at least Tsukihime's plot was well structured, at least in comparison to Umineko.

>>4757791
OP here, I agree, but I am rather pissed at the disconnect of the meta portrayal of Beatrice as a big damn hero, and the very real fact that she's causing the wanton slaughter of innocent rich douchebags.

>>4757822
Kohaku is love, how dare you!

I think Battler would react somehow different if Beatrice were the real, main culprit.

>>4757799
Nanjo wants money, Kyrie wants REVENGE, Rosa wants money and to outplan the murderer, and Jessica wants to prove that her weak, recessive genes don't make her inferior to Battler's dominant, powerful genes.

>>4757843
You now realize that Beatrice's death is just a metaphor for Shannon marrying George and hating her life.

>>4757766

>Kohaku ... didn't slaughter people needlessly.

Right. Orchestrating the deaths of Real Shiki and Akiha wasn't needless, because their father raped her, any everyone knows getting raped by a guy makes killing his children a necessity.

>>4757875
Real Shiki had the same issues as his father did.
Same with Akiha.

Kohaku, being mentally fractured, did it for a mixture of fear, safety, and revenge.

Shannon literally kills people just for BEING ON THE ISLAND.

>>4757843
What I don't understand is what exactly Shannon or whoever it is has to gain from dressing up as Beatrice (his ideal, but, not someone he would recognize after 6 years) & asking him to remember a sin.

>>4757875
Vengeance can be cruel.

>>4757886
She'd see that Battler still cared for him.

Although....

Beatrice: Remember your sin!
Battler: Oh wow, Shannon! I'm so sorry I forgot my promise to you!
Beatrice: sobsobsobsobsob I'm so happy sobsobsobsob
Battler: Wait, 6 people just died, this moment isn't as touching as it seems...

>>4757875
They're half-demon offspring of an abomination who raped her constantly from her youth because he was also a half-demon. They're his kids. She suffered, while they didn't.

Why should they live good lives while she was wrecked by their kin and did nothing to help her until it was far too late?

>>4757900
Nah, nah, here's what would happen.

Battler: 6 people just died!
Jessica: NAH IM STILL ALIVE BRO WE WERE JUST FUCKING WITH YOU!
Kyrie: We thought we would train you wrong, as a joke.
Beatrice: Yeah, I didn't actually kill anyone.
Battler: Wait, wait, I think I passed George's corpse on the way he-
Beatrice: Did. Not. Kill. Anyone.

Who is a bigger slut?
Shannon, Saber, or Kohaku?

>>4757905
Good life? SHIKI?

>>4757930
Sakura.

>>4757939
Seconding.

>>4757932
In his case, being left alive is too good for him~

>>4757930
Did that RPG come out yet?
And Shannon is a total slut for the Ushiromiya gland.

>>4757905
So they deserve to die because of that? I don't think so.

Don't worry OP, the end of Umineko will be that Battler lives.
And only Battler.

>>4758093
Well, duh.
Liquid Battler had a fatal dose of Seagull DIE, but all it did to Solid was turn his hair grey.

>>4758078
Your opinion holds no weight in this court.

Quality storytelling, R07.

Just as a sidenote, my broskis.

A slight side note.

The real Beatrice, think it's possible that she's the second Battler?

After all, Shkanonlanondingdong is an orphan.

And the ruler of Rokkenjima is 19, exactly as old as the second Battler should be.
Also, Meta-Beato obvious knows about the second Battler.

What I'm trying to say is that Battler is fucking his half sister.

>>4758112
MEANWHILE, THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY

>>4758099
BROTHEEEEEEEEEEEERRR

>>4758114
Nah, I'm leaning more towards Jessica being the second Battler.

If for nothing else besides the whole fistfight thing, which is ridiculously awesome.

>>4758114
Wouldn't that be ironic?
Battler saves Shannon's soul, and then it turns out that she's his sister.
And then she gets married to George.

BAD END

>>4758128
What I find interesting is that, in Episode 6, when it is stated in red that "all names apply only to the specific people", or whatever that red text was, the only people on the island to not have their names stated in red at some point in the Episode were Jessica and Genji. That's what really triggered the thought of Jessica = other Battler, for me.

My current favorite theoryset:
Doubletrice (Kanon = reverse trap version) + Jessica = other Battler

true end.

>>4758144
There's always been some link between Battler and Jessica if only because of their similar ages.

I don't QUITE think Battler would be unaware of his own age, so I think we can safely say he's 18. Which leaves Jessica as the only person the same age. But it could very well be Shkanontrice as well, but having Kanon be Beatrice AND the other Battler would be rather egregious, in my opinion.

>>4758155

>>4758144
Shannon and Kanon have double names but still included in that red. Therefore, it's possible for other characters, even included in this red, to have a double name too.

Whether this was or not posted in here isn't something I'm going to be wondering.. But here goes.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2969327&postcount=3671
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2969781&postcount=3677
In short, don't expect EP6 to come out before EP7. But there's also this: The people who made that prologue patch for EP5 offered help for the EP6 translation, so we can still have some hope.

>>4758174
Ah, well, we're thankful for it.
Witch Hunt has fairly fast translations.

>>4758174
So slow.

>>4758156
No magic.
No guns.
No hat stands.
No brass knuckles.
Fists only.
Final Destination.

>>4758195
Don't forget no shirts.

>>4758182
Well then, that will serve as a reminder. Like I care about how slow I am at this point.

>>4758213
You obviously DO care, hence why you posted with a reaction image and saged the thread. They have cream for asspain, you know.

>>4758210
I hope drawfag stops taking it easy and finished the set.

>>4758195
I'm picturing them hurling logical arguments at each other while they fight on the roof of the mansion, with blue punctuated by lightning bolts and red by bits of the mansion bursting into flames. And then at the end Battler will shout "you are the culprit" and punch her in the face, and the mansion will explode.

>>4758247
...And cue the next Episode, where piece Battler remembers everything that happened before.

>>>4758231
.. I don't know what kind of vibe my post had to you.. Well, sorry. It looks like I shouldn't sage my own posts that I feel that they aren't relevant to the thread.

>>4758247
Oh, I'm just thinking that they'll just beat the crap out of each other.

>>4758259
Yeah. Battler will have his logic battle with Kyrie, not Jessica.

>>4758259
It'll be a callback to their youth, if it happens at all.

HEY REMEMBER WHEN WE USED TO FIGHT AND I ALWAYS USED TO WIN BATTLER?

>>4758265
No reason Battler can't have a logic AND a real battle at the same time.

As in, Meta-Battler deals with all the theory flinging shenanigans(although he knows the truth... so I don't quite know how that would work), while Piece-Battler tries to finally win a fist fight.

Halfway through the fight, Jessica would start coughing.

Battler would inject her with her inhaler, thus refilling her stamina bar. And the fight would continue.

>>4758281
he can'tb know the truth of a gameboard he isn't the GM and doesn't work in the conventional way, right, Bernkastel?

shanon=kanon=fanon

>>4757875

Its a hell of a lot more reasonable that whatever the OP is talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if there were people who thought like that.

Was it ever confirmed that both Kyrie and Asumu named their sons Battler?

>>4758290
Calling it now, Bern and Hanyuu are going to be ROCKED by the true culprit at the end of 7.

>>4758311
Nope. It's not even confirmed that Asumu had a SON.

Calling that other child Battler is used because it's funny.

>>4758290

Didn't Battler get his GM privileges stripped away from AuAu because he wasn't doing a good job and was concerning himself with trying to resurrect Beato instead of...actually trying to win?

>>4758311
It's possible that someone else named them Battler, but whoever game them the name, there were at least two children of Rudolf with the name of Battler.

>>4758326

Then who was the original Battler that die 19 years ago? Whose kid was that?

>>4758326
> Calling that other child Battler is used because it's funny.
...And also because it was stated in red that Ushiromiya Battler was born from Ushiromiya Asumu, and that our Battler was not born from Asumu.

>>4758332
Ah, well, shiver me timbers.
There goes my theory about Kanon being the second Battler, then.

>>4758337

That and the second Battler is kind of dead. Remember that kid that Natsuhi left in the care of that housemaid when they fell off a cliff and died? That was the Battler born of Asumu.

>>4758341
Proof?

>>4758331
That probably wasn't Battler or related to Rudolf's harem at all. If Kyrie's baby (assuming she was lied to about the stillborn or a switch/mixup) somehow ended up in Fukuin House, it'd have to be a setup. Only trouble is, what's the point of it?

Now that I think of it..George was already born at that time. So why did Kinzo go back on Eva's promise to produce a heir?

>>4758341
Hm, I wouldn't be so sure.
Meta Beatrice seems aware of the second Battler, so I wouldn't go so far as to say that the second Battler is dead.

Also, keep in mind that Rosa didn't see a baby fall with the second Beatrice.

I think Natsuhi's just being delusional again, quite frankly.

If the second Battler yet lives, and is on the island, Jessica is likely to be it.

Same age as Battler, very odd circumstances around her birth(Natsuhi magically getting unbarren? In a mystery novel? I doubt it), and also her odd nature to begin with.

>>4758371
Well, in another thread, I saw an interesting theory that Jessica is just conflicted, but mostly a good character.

Hence, her moments of trolling are just variables, but her being a good guy is constant.

>>4758371
That sounds like Natsuhi plays a larger role to be deceived that Jessica was possibly adopted. And we know Rudolf didn't have any (sexual) involvement with her, it goes against her character.

>>4758387
I can't buy that she's a good guy after her antics in episode 4. I mean, her and Kyrie caused that entire bullshit to go down.

>>4758398
Kyrie and Jessica were either disoriented or threatened while making the phone calls.

>>4758393
I can only hope that Rudolf didn't have any sexual involvement with Natsuhi.(wouldn't put it past him, but Natsuhi is pure and honest)

However, yeah, I could see Natsuhi being that deluded. She was drinking tea with Beatrice and talking about how Krauss is totally going to be successful this time.

>>4758408
>threatened
This one never makes much sense to me. Why would they go along with it?

>>4758413
Gunshot holes were found around Kyrie's corpse.

>>4758408
Disoriented?
Both phone calls, most notably Jessica's, mention and show explicit awareness. Jessica even makes a helpful metaphor, telling Battler it's like an anime.

As for being threatened, it goes against Kyrie and Jessica's character to just lie to Battler and accept their death as calmly as they do.

Really, something else is going on here.

>>4758412
Nanjo and Kumasawa, as well as their meta-world counterparts, also attested to Jessica's birth. There's also mention of their resemblance. There hasn't been anything foreshadowed that strange about her birth parents or circumstances.

>>4758429
Gaap and Virgillia talked about Jessica's birth?
What did they say?

>>4758414
Note well that the culprit was trolling Battler in episode 4.

Hence why Shannon did her trick to kill herself in the way she did.

>>4758453
Anyone else think Battler doesn't deserve that bullshit?

DERP DE DERP DERP BATTLER FORGOT THAT HE LIKED ME SO FUCK HIS SHIT IM GOING TO HIDE THE TRUTH FROM HIM AND LET HIM DIE.

>>4758437
Gaap/Nanjo acknowledged it at least.

>>4758478
Yes, her delusional fantasy bro acknowledged it.

>>4758478
>not red text

>>4758503
So we need red text to make sure George is really Eva's son too?

>>4758503
>>4758509
Possible samefag, but the point is that Natsuhi is freaking crazy. What Gaap says doesn't quite assure the fact that Natsuhi did indeed give birth to Jessica. Also, Jessica's birth and Beatrice the second's death both occurred 18 years ago.

Well, at least 18 years ago was when the Kuwadorian stopped taking deliveries.

In a nutshell, there is still a cloud of secrecy and vagueness regarding the second Battler, and all that jazz.

>>4758530
Beatrice died in 1967.

WHERE THE FUCK IS METAL GEAR SEACATS

JESUS CHRIST IT'S BEEN LIKE WHAT, TWO DAYS

>>4758478
Wait, Nanjo=Gaap?
Oh my. Never really thought about it.

>>4758543
Well, the Kuwadorian stopped taking deliveries 18 years prior to the Rokkenjima Slaughterfest, that's all I'm saying.

>>4758566
That's a joke theory.
I dearly, dearly, hope it's a joke theory.

If Nanjo is his own granddaughter, why hasn't Battler tried to cop a feel yet?

>>4758600
Quiet, Chrono.

>>4758566
It's based on the EP6 TIP, where all the servants appeared in the before Battler. Sorta makes sense if Gaap is Nanjo, but we don't know why Beatrice 'imagined' them to be that way.

>>4758635
Beatrice = Fucking stupid.
As if that's a big shock!

August 13-21.

>>4758646
>stupid
But then we wouldn't have such interesting meta-characters. What Bern wants to know is the same as the readers.
Maria gave Sakutarou a form, and Kumasawa and whoever Beatrice is played along with it in their imaginary world to become happy.

>>4758720
Except Bern wants to then use that information to deny the meta characters out of existence. I know that I, for one, would prefer it if the meta characters continued to exist after that.