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Yes, I've been playing it since I was 8.

Suggestion, start learning as a kid.

Not possible.

Play more?

Self taught amateur and all I know is touhou/vn/video game music. Totally dorky but awesome.

Practice scales like a motherfucker

>>4753700
you're a dick

OP just practice practice practice and pick an easy song to start with

What I coincidence, I've started piano a few weeks ago as well.

>>4753793


Why is that? learning instruments is like learning languages. As an adult with no experience, you're probably fucked from the off.

>>4753809
>implying I haven't been playing the piano for 11 years
I've been helping a friend learn over the last few months and can tell you it's more then possible; in fact I'm tired of pretentious assholes like you who try and tell people it's impossible because of some selfish desire for superiority.

>>4753893

There isn't anything pretentious about it. It's the way the brain works. If you start an instrument as a child your brain will be wired differently than if you started as an adult. Starting later in life is a tremendous disadvantage.

very hard to learn the piano (especially) into adulthood. its best picked up young, hence why so many of the best pianists were child prodigies.

you can still learn, but practice practice practice. if your fingers cant stretch, you just don't have "piano fingers" as they're called

Your fingers will get more flexible and grow longer the more you play

>>4753957
I'm not saying starting piano at 40 and expecting to be writing songs is going to be easy but in your early 20's (aka all of us) trying to copy a midi is no where near impossible.

>>4753992

>but in your early 20's (aka all of us)

I'm 19, slick.

>>4753957
I read a really good book about this called "Talent is Overrated". Basically the only real advantage children have is they've been working at it longer.

>>4753957

this is true. its a well known fact that the brain can learn music much easier at a young age than older. this is a result of many circumstances.

that said, its not impossible. anybody can learn anything.

anyone have any pdfs or website to help learn piano?

>>4753689
Try to find a good book finger practices to help - to better stretch your fingers, often these exercises involve you holding down one or more notes while playing using the rest of your free fingers. Very good for expanding your stretchability and flexibility.

>>4754001
>really good book
>Geoff Colvin
I hate you

>>4753994
>18 to early 20's
happy now

>>4754030
Problem with that?

>>4753809
But I learned scheme and prolog just a couple month ago.

>>4754001

Hilarious. If Horowitz played the Rach 3 at age 16, why aren't there more concert pianists playing it at 41 after starting it at 25?


>>4754020

- go to the nearest university
- go to its music school
- look around for fliers posted by current students or recent graduates offering lessons in piano

>>4754053
Read the book and find out

>>4754073
>recommending a book by Geoff Colvin
now I really hate you

>>4754085
Any particular reason for hating him so much?

>>4754073

I should read 228 pages?
After reading an overview, which was about specific approaches to practicing, I saw nothing that answered my question regarding Horowitz. The same can be said for countless others, Fischer, Richter, Gilels, etc.

>>4754001
>Basically the only real advantage children have is they've been working at it longer.

How does this apply to child prodigies?

>>4754093
long story short, fallacies galore; ask /lit/

Concert pianist Vladimir Horowitz tells about the time he played a dissonant contemporary composition at a private gathering. When he finished, someone asked, 'I don't understand what that composition means, Mr. Horowitz. Could you explain it?'

Without a word, Horowitz played the composition again, and when he finished he turned to his questioner and said, 'That's what it means.'

Hey, OP, if you mean the chords, it is not necessary to play them solid.
By playing them simultaneously really fast you can get both of them without really losing anything.

>>4754129
They start from a super early age. Tiger Woods was holding putters before he was 1, Mozart had his dad (a composer himself) grilling him his entire childhood as well. Most "child prodigies" have had at least 10 years of hard practice before they show any real skill.

>>4754169
citation needed and fallacies, GREAT STUFF.
Congratulations you have completely derailed this thread. just fucking leave.

Why would anyone want to be a concert pianist at any age? Worthless goal, don't worry about it.

>>4754053
>- go to the nearest university
>- go to its music school
>- look around for fliers posted by current students or >recent graduates offering lessons in piano

i dont have enough money for lessions

>>4754212
>citation needed
The Tiger Woods info is from a book called "Training a Tiger" written by Tiger's father. There is lots of info about Mozart's early life and it is well known his father was a hardcore teacher intent on his son becoming a composer.
>and fallacies
Go on...

I mean, if you want to believe that hard work is useless against inborn talent, then go ahead. I think it's more comforting to know that anyone can become great with hard work though.

>>4754282
I refuse to continue this conversation

Hey, so back on topic.

I'm trying to play piano more often nowadays, in the effort to improve my skills. I've basically been stuck at a shitty beginner/intermediate level for years due to laziness and lack of practice. Anyone have any tips for me to make progress?

Basically, all I've been doing is play weeaboo songs printed off the internet. Any suggestions on what I should do are appreciated.

>>4754298
You mad?

Octave stretches are a pretty basic thing to be able to do. Are you a little girl or something?

Your fingers will grow more flexible as you gain experience, but there's obviously a limit to that.

>>4754241
Because it'd feel pretty worthless to spend hours a day practicing if all I got out of it was to be able to play at a piano bar. In general, I find it hard to motivate myself to achieve mediocre proficiency in anything, that's not the sort of thing that provides you with the driving force to move forward.

>>4753700
From my experience, the majority of people who have played since they were a kid doesn't have many bragging rights except having played since they were a kid. So many just let it be a thing they do for fun once in a while, and don't even practice daily. These people could easily be bested by an adult who has been practicing seriously for 2-3 years.

So tell me, how good are you, exactly?

ok, somebody can play THIS?
its possible?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmb8jn7SGis

>>4756364
Not impossible, you just have to be real good.

OP, do you mean the octave chords in the beginning? Besides using your thumb and pinky, there's not much to it. Just keep playing and it will become very normal.

Currently learning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vzMafoOFns, there's sheet music there too.

>>4756801
A really beautiful piece Anon, good luck with it!

So a question about keyboards. Could I buy a cheap one and get the same results as learning from a piano? I really have the time and drive to learn music, but not enough money.

>You can't learn an instrument as an adult just like you can't learn a language as an adult

I stopped reading this thread there, sorry guys.

>>4756364
Artist request for that picture.

>>4756816
How much are you able to spend? Weighted keys are important to get the feel of a real piano, so cheap keyboards won't suffice. You can get a decent second hand digital piano on craigslist or something

>>4756837
Around $400 is all I can afford to spend right now. I thought I could probably sell some of my figs or something.

>>4756822

>>4756816
Just make sure it has a full set of keys, the last thing you want is to realize you can't play the notes you want. Since you have the motivation, really consider not going as cheap as possible. A piano is something you might be using every day.

>>4756844
That's a good amount to get a good digital keyboard. Bought a Yamaha P80 digital piano few months ago for $500 with bench/stand included.

>>4756851
Erm forgot to mention I got it off Craigslist. Digital pianos run from $600-1200+ or something new, and second hand ones will suffice just fine

>>4756853
>craigslist
I don't really trust sites like that, but I'll consider looking at it anyway. Especially after hearing that arrange of Yuyuko's theme, I really want to learn...

>>4756859
It's a good source if you know how to find good people. Just carefully look over the ad, and find residents in the richer/safer parts of town. Went to Maine to pick mine up, the guy was white and extremely friendly. Great transaction luls

You will never be as good as Liszt so why even try, there's clearly no point to learning an instrument if you can't be amongst the best.

You will never be as wealthy as Bill Gates so why even try, there's clearly no point to earning a living if you can't be amongst the best.

You will never be as good as Jaedong so why even try, there's clearly no point to playing Starcraft if you can't be amongst the best.

>>4756882
That's really a horrible mindset. As long as you put effort and time, you may not be the best, but you can still be pretty darn awesome at what you do.

You will never be as good as Reimu so why even try, there's clearly no point to danmaku if you can't be amongst the best.

WHy don't you learn a real instrument, such as a keyboard?

>>4756913
That was my point

>>4756918
>implying Reimu is among the best
Yeah, no. She'd get stomped hard without spellcard rules.

>>4756928
She wins because she's the sexiest

>>4756935
that's not marisa

You will never be anywhere near the best at anything

>>4756938
>marisa is the sexiest
Sorry, what was that? I can't hear you over the sound of my awesome breasts.

>>4756966
cow tits != sexy

>>4756966
hottest touhou i've seen all today

>>4756984
>Sexual fetish tiers
>Shit tier: WAAH TUMOURS, DFC ONLY

>>4756956
It's not hard to be the best at anything. Just pick something specific enough. After that, you just need to train a bit.

Complaining about breast size at all puts you in shit tier. Even if it's hilariously unfappable, it should still be hilarious.

>>4757007
Don't get me wrong, big breasts can be sexy, just not that big. They literally are tumors.

Reimu would play the piano the best out of all the Touhous

>>4756966
That's the most deliciously drawn vagina

>>4757016
Excuse me?

>>4757050
Because of her armpits.. god you are dumb

>>4756956
So you should just give up and die.

I like breasts of all shapes and sizes. Sometimes I want to juggle some wonderful love cushions and sometimes I want to see my jizz coat a delicious flat chest.

This isn't 18th century Vienna, no one can tell a good pianist from a bad pianist these days. So all you need is some basic technique and a lot of charm. Nothing you can't get at an adult age.

>>4756938
and that's good because marisa is overrated.

>>4757347
you mean underrated

>>4756928
>Yeah, no. She'd get stomped hard without spellcard rules.
>without spellcard rules
>Danmaku
Contradiction in terms.

>>4756928
Reimu can float out of fucking reality.

Only way to beat serious Reimu is sneak attack and she'll probably see it coming with her intuition.

It is entirely possible to rewire your own brain and transform into youkai even as an adult.

Replace arms with mechanical ones

>>4758148
Youkai in its broadest definition is anything unusual. In a way, we who spend our days locked in a basement are already youkai.

>>4758178
A type of zashiki-warashi, perhaps.

>>4758178
Hermits, most likely.

>>4758266
But we don't bring luck, neither do we look like small kids ;_;

I think nurarihyon or keukegen would be closer.

>>4758178
Sort of like Kaguya. I bet Kaguya can play the piano beautifully.

I started learning at about age 20, been playing about 3 years now. I can play some Chopin preludes and stuff of moderate difficulty. The trick is practicing slowly in small amounts, while counting; always counting.

To improve your finger flexibility I'd go with a book by Charles-Louis Hanon. Look up "Hanon exercises" on google or something.

>>4753689
What piano software is that?

Richter started playing piano at 27, asshole.