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Slayers anime sucked.

>>4718743
I'm more of a novelfag myself, but the anime was pretty decent.
Still, you're entitled to your own opinion.

>>4718743
No, fuck you.
Amelia is love.

Story continuity? What's that?

DOUBLETRICE THEORY UP IN THIS BITCH
JESSICA ACTUALLY DID SEE MAGIC BECAUSE SHE'S FLIPPING INSANE.
KYRIE WAS TROLLAN THOUGH
THEN JESSICA DIED, SUIT BEATO TOOK OVER, SUIT BEATO FAILED, DRESS BEATO SHOWED UP, SHOT SUIT BEATO IN THE FACE, DRESS BEATO SET UP ELABORATE SUICIDE DEVICE WITH THE WELL, AND DIED.

FUCK YOU PAY ME.

>>4718734
I don't know. I think Jessica could very well be trolling. I mean, sheesh, she's the one who started that ridiculous test scenario in the first place, if you think back to the beginning. Answering the phone at the beginning, and crafting an absurd story about Kinzo killing her mother(and also,immediately believing that Kinzo killed her mother just over the phone, despite tearing out the stakes in episode 3, oh, and also the fact that Kinzo is dead), and sending people to their deaths.... that's class a troll material there.

And don't get me started on Kyrie.

>>4718772
Love. Did it for love.
That makes it ok.

>>4718757
Nonsense. Jessica would need to put on a new pair of socks and change her hairstyle, How would she do something like that in her room?

In addition, she'd have to walk all the way across the hallway to get to the balcony that happens to be right by her room. The timespan, distance, and methods are just implausible.

>>4718802
OP here.
Yeah, I thought something similar, but isn't Shannon Beatrice?

I know Jessica knows something, but I just figured that she reached the truth and tried to get Battler to figure it out....

>>4718840
Jessica knows how to be in 2 places at the same time, didn't you know?

>>4718855
Doubletrice.

>>4718855
we're not talking about two places, it's just going to her grandfather's room from her room, which isn't difficult

>>4718855
That's dress Beato. Not suit Beato.

>>4718863
Which is stupid.
Also suit Beatrice in episode 2 couldn't be Jessica.
When she appears to Rosa and Maria at the beginning, Jessica is with Battler.
And Maria recognizes her immediately, in the same way she recognized her at the end of the first episode.
Maria wouldn't lie about meeting her, she can be mislead but she is pretty honest.
And she would realize if 2 different people were dressing like Beatrice alternatively.

>>4718883
>Implying Maria doesn't have down syndrome

>>4718734
I especially liked the part of Jessica's phone call where it sounded like she was desperately trying not to burst out laughing.

>>4718883
>When she appears to Rosa and Maria at the beginning, Jessica is with Battler.

I guess you missed the part where ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN FRONT OF THE DETECTIVE (Either Piece Battler or Piece Erika) DID NOT NECESSARILY HAPPEN AT ALL OR HAPPEN IN THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS SHOWN.

>>4718883
Well, Shannon had a gaping hole in her head in episode 2, so if she could be Beatrice, I'd be impressed.

And there are indeed two Beatrices. Beatrice the elder, and Beatrice the younger.
The scene in episode 4 supports this in and of itself, where Suit Beatrice goes down to "sleep" while Dress Beatrice cleans up.

>>4718918
Everything that happen show the truth in some way.
Don't forget Beatrice wants Battler to know the truth.
The fact that Maria recognized her instantly still works though.

>>4718922
>>gaping hole in her head
Sure is convenient.
Also Jessica is DEAD so it would be hard for her to be Beatrice too.

And the 2 Beatrice don't symbolize 2 different persons but rather 2 different state of mind.
The witch who was created for Battler, the one who love him.
And the scary and legendary witch of the island.
Both of them combine to be the true Beatrice.

>>4718734
Amelia is a slut.

>>4718941
No, it proves nothing. Don't trust anything that's not in red, and trust it only so far as you can't see any loopholes in how it functions.

>>4718960
As usual, you are pretty retarded.

>>4718918
This. Also, really, when it comes down to it, Doubletrice best explains Jessica's various paradoxes(Being close with Shannon and Kanon yet treating them like two different people, being a moralfag in fantasy scenes yet lying blatantly in others, having a fucking odd on and off relationship with Beatrice, ectera, ectera.)

She is a walking contradiction, but things start to make a bit more sense when you consider Doubletrice.

Or Moon-chan, but I don't believe Jessica is a troll. That'd be a bit of a downer.

>>4718967
As usual, you are confusing me with yourself.

>>4718967
Let's not have ad hominem attacks against each other, please. And while you may SAY that the two Beatrices represent two different states of mind, that could just as easily be seen as two different people.

Even more so with the dialogue between the two Beatos in episode 4.

Unless you are telling me that Shkanontrice has 4 personas, in which case this stuff has gotten extra fucking stupid.

>>4718969
Presented without comment.

>>4718988
Not persona, simply state of minds.
Which is pretty obvious if you look at episode 6.
That witch who was created for Battler, the witch who was created for Kinzo.
Beatrice exist within this contradiction, it's basically one of the most important thing about her characterization.
Like Battler said "Beatrice was a woman who fought with both reason and madness"

>>4719013
You can easily say states of mind as much as you want, but they certainly seem to interact with each other much like Shannon and Kanon do. They, at least, draw a distinction between themselves. You'd be well off to do the same.

>>4719022
This. Seems like two different people to me.
That or more PERSONA(complete with shooting one's self in the head)

>>4719036
Still waiting for that Shannon evoker picture.

>>4719022
>>Shannon and Kanon do
That's supposed to help Doubletrice.

Also I don't like Doubletrice simply because it's not needed, at all.
Everytime Suit Beato appeared, Shannon could have done it easily.
And Jessica has never been linked in any way to Beatrice.

You could say she is an accomplice or crazy if you want, but her being Beatrice doesn't make sense at all.

>>4719044
Not quite. In episode 4, Jessica being Suit Beato makes much more sense. Beyond the obvious requirement of looking similar to Beatrice, it's very easy for her to do what Suit Beato did. Change her hairstyle, put on a new pair of socks, and walk right across her room, and boom, she can go and have her chat with Battler.

Shannon, on the other hand, would literally have to sprint all the way from the well area, hold Jessica hostage and convince her to lie to her cousin about witches even while promising her that she woud die, shoot Jessica, shoot Kyrie, change from her maid outfit into a suit uniform, have a conversation with Battler, dispose of the suit uniform, run all the way back to the well, change back into her meido uniform, set up a complicated suicide mechanism, and die in a limited period of time.

Shannon would have to do all of that.

>>4719075
Yeah. Lots of work for our little meido, lots of pointless, nonsensical, work. Good thing she has a bro help her out.

>>4719075
There are several things against it though.

First, as I already stated before, Jessica couldn't have been Beatrice in episode 1 or 2.
So her disguising herself as Beatrice only for episode 4 seems too contrived.
There has to be some continuity.

Afterward there is the way she died, she was shot with no weapon next to her.
It couldn't have been suicide.
Shannon though could have killed herself and pulled a "10 little niggers" trick.
Seeing all the references to that novel, it's pretty likely.

And Jessica isn't the only one who called Battler, you forgot Kyrie.
Why was so important for both of them to call Battler?
What did that scene means?
I don't think it's as simple as pointing to the culprit.

>>4719104
Well, with episode 2, I contest that.
Shannon had a hole in her head, and was clearly dead. Furthermore, she was seen by Battler, the detective. In addition, even if you want to argue that Shannon took Jessica's body, and somehow managed to drag it to her room without anyone noticing and disguised that very same body as herself, you forget that Shannon could very easily use the same trick she used in episode one, and that she had nothing to gain by dressing up Jessica's body as hers.

There are sketchy circumstances behind Jessica's death and Jessica herself in episode 2. The dubious red text, for one, but beyond that, her actions. Note well that in the chapel, she is the one to blame Beatrice almost immediately(contrasting oddly with her previous sentiments about witches not existing, the very same sentiment you alluded to in maintaining that Jessica has no relationship with Beatrice), and then storms off to confront her. Moon-chan people had a field day with that, but I maintain that it is just an expression of Jessica's more complex relationship with Beatrice. This complex relation is hinted at, with her being hot and cold on the subject, from time to time.

And Shannon shooting Jessica is EXACTLY my point. Remember, the scene I labeled Doubletrice.jpg, yes, it has a Beatrice laying down her head and going to sleep(or, more likely, dying), but it also has a Beatrice "finishing up the rest".

I maintain that this is the ACTUAL moment of Jessica's death in episode 4, after the confrontation in the rain failed. Shannon finishes cleaning up the rest like the maid she is, including her And Then There Were None suicide.

My explanation, I feel, is more in line with the scenes in episode 4.

Anyone thought on these details from episode 3?

-One of the servants arranged the bodies (1st twilight).
-Jessica, Battler, Eva, Rosa and Maria (declared in red before Evatrice's wall of red) are all exempt from killing Nanjo

>Let's stop being jerks
>Umineko
How the hell is that supposed to work

>>4719151
There is nothing dubious about Jessica's death in episode 2 though.
She is clearly stated to be dead in red, Battler saw her body and even stayed next to her for some time, he later states that he checked her body himself.

Anyways, let's drop it, nothing will come out of this thing, we will just go back and forth without moving, I'm busy with Aselia anyways.

>>4719165
Well, there was something up with that text, but sure, sure, we'll agree to disagree for now. I do think Doubletrice is a bit on the stronger side for episode 4, certainly, as with Shkanontrice being on the stronger side for episode 1.(Unless Jessica has a clone)
I suppose we'll call episode 2 and 3 a draw, for now.

Oh, and thanks for being civil, I'm very glad this could be kept on a somewhat intellectual level.

>>4719151
But then who was Pony?

>>4719206
let that pony rest already, ep7 will feature him full force

>>4719206
Dokkyun Heart, listen to it.
Seriously. Do it.

>1. Kyrie and Jessica are lying to Battler for reasons unknown
Oh, fuck, he's on to me.

>>4719236
Dokkyun Heart - The song so nice it trolls you twice.

Jessica is the second Battler, Kyrie thinks she's her mother, which is why she flips out in episode 6 when Jessica attacks her.

>>4719410
Sad thing is, she's the most likely candidate, if the second Battler still lives.

>>4719262
Song about being a princess anddating a boy younger than her =/= Pony theory song

>>4719487
The "prince" and "white horse" bits are the things of note in that song.
Also, listening to all of it MAKES YOU A MAN.

>>4719434
Well, if she's the second Battler, once again I must demand a fist fight between the two, if possible on burning wreckage of some kind.

>>4719516
jessica wins either way, magically or in real life

>>4718772
*All of those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo!*

>>4719537
then she knows what Kinxo they're talking about, which only makes it worse

>>4719104
>Jessica couldn't have been Beatrice in episode 1 or 2.
In episode 1 Beatrice appears only after 0:00 of the second day, when the game is over and all kinds of magical scenes is possible.
In episode 2 Battler sees Beatrice in a fantasy scene, which means that the game is already over too, because he surrendered as the player.

>>4719537
That more or less means nothing, really.
Most likely it was a will of some kind, but we KNOW Kinzo is dead.

Recognizing his existance =/= recognizing that he is dead, alive, or a bear.

>>4719537
Doesn't mean it's the real Kinzo, a point that Beatrice doesn't contest. He passes on his name, and someone else can become Kinzo.

>>4719578
>>In episode 1 Beatrice appears only after 0:00 of the second day, when the game is over and all kinds of magical scenes is possible.

Actually she doesn't, she appears before midnight.
See pic.

And for episode 2, I was talking about her meeting with Rosa and Maria at the beginning.

Back to Aselia, good game is good.

>>4719578
Doubletricefag here, Beato shows up JUST BEFORE 12 in episode 1. That was valid.

Which is why I call it Doubletrice, not Jessitrice.

>>4719592
OP here, yup, episode one Beato is Shannon, and how is that game?
What's the premise?

I think I may need an outlet besides Umineko.

>>4719587
Doesn't mean it's the real Sion.

>>4719529
Think about it.
SEAGULLDIE would work it's magic, and Jessica would be weakened from it(After all, she was the Dominant Battler all along).

Battler COULD possibly win, and Jessica had just killed GREY FOX, his bro.

>>4719622
Oh god, this.
But instead of DOMINANT and RECESSIVE genes, it has to be ASUMU and KYRIE.

to think we're gonna relive this when it's translated because surely some people are unspoiled

>>4719602
Eien no Aselia is a SRPG, pretty challenging too.
Summary fron vndb:
Yuuto has been taking care of his step-sister Kaori since the passing of both of their parents. Their life is hard, but they are happy together, at least until the day they are transported to a parallel world that they will later call Phantasmagoria...

In this world where he can't even understand a single spoken word; his sister is taken prisoner and her captors, calling him the 'Etranger', force him to fight wielding a sword that tries to control him instead...

Although, he first accepted this fate only to protect Kaori, in time Yuuto starts to care for the 'spirits' (girls that fight alongside him) and other inhabitants of this world as well...

Currently I'm well into chapter 2 and the story is becoming more and more interesting, there are 5 chapters so the game seems to be pretty long too.

>>4719647
Ah, sounds interesting.
Always DID bother me how usually someone can be teleported to another world and yet immediately communicate flawlessly with the inhabitents.

>>4719647
one question: how is the battle system?

>>4719638
So, Shkanon + Jessitrice -> Shkanontrice -> Shkanontrice + Moon-chan -> Shkanontrice versus Moon-chan -> Doubletrice all over again?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WE AREN'T TROLLING AS MUCH AS WE DID IN THE PAST THESE DAYS, GODDAMN I DON'T WANNA HAVE 500+ THREADS OF RAGE AGAIN!

Theory about the socks.

They look like shorter pantyhose-like stockings with a thicker, opaque band at the top.

Really, that band is just the sock folded over. Instead of changing socks, Jessica just has to unroll the sock and push it down to hide the translucent part.

If she made cosplay she can make some socks that are as crazy as her. Hairstyle details don't matter. To make a bun she would just have to pull her hair halfway through a hair elastic, which would take roughly four seconds if she already had a ponytail in.

There. Fucking solved.

Is anyone here good enough to draw shirtless Jessican
and Battler fistfighting on a metal gear?

Is anyone here good enough to draw shirtless Jessica
and Battler fistfighting on a metal gear?

>>4719666
You are stretching my /jp/. Stop it.

>>4719658
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc62ZtH1B4

You move on a map and assign roles to your characters, you must manages their skills and you can build facilities too.
It can get pretty hard at times.

>>4719666
To think I made the Jessica revival in like 5 posts and people developed it
It was just too funny

>>4719680
I have holidays soon, thx

>>4719669
Or, even easier, she's in her room.
Guess what people have in their room?
Socks!

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>>4719674
That thread was god tier.

>>4719674
I can try. Need reference pictures though.

>>4719707
Reference for the two characters, or reference for the fight scene?

>>4719734
A decent reference of whatever angle the metal gear should be drawn at.

>>4719743
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgnie50hd8
Here you go.

>>4719705
What happened in it?
I missed out, sadly.

>>4719891
Lots of thinking, building on theories, and brofists between Doubletrice supporters.

Unfortunately, I don't have an Easymodo link, but it was pretty good. Seemed like old times, but with fewer ponies.

>>4719891
I'd tell you, but it's a secret.

>>4719891
Doubletrice theory was expanded upon significantly, wacky antics ensued, and episode 6 name shenanigans may very well have cornered Jessica as BATTLER.

>>4719914
You know, ALL CAPS is not a property used when two characters have the same name, it just means that the thing was spelled in KATAKANA.

>>4719920
Meh, with the crazy meidos, I just thought of the Tsukihime thing.
Plus, Battler having a battle with BATTLER is pretty damn awesome.

>>4719931
That's why the METAL GEAR thing came about. I hope the drawfag delivers on that.

>>4719766
Okay, thanks.

I'm gonna try to do several pictures because it's hard to choose just one amazing topless fighting pose, so expect them in...not instantly.

>>4719940
Don't worry, I'll deliver on it. But it will be in a while, there's like fourteen images to draw, and I have no fucking clue how to draw the background.

Gotta go bake something, so it will be later than desired anyway.

>>4719941
OH GOD DAMN YOU CAN'T PROVIDE INSTANT SATISFACTION?!
ALL MY HATE!
ALL MY HATE!

ME WANTING SOMETHING SHOULD MEAN THAT YOU MUST DO IT INSTANTLY.

>>4719941
>>4719978
take your time

/a/ just sent me here to read Umineko theories, and I find this thread.

I'll come here forever!!!

I like how big Amelia's tits are for her age.

>>4719578
> Battler sees Beatrice in a fantasy scene
Except he doesn't. The butterflies can easily be explained via Battler mistaking glittery confetti for golden butterflies due to his drunkenness. And the times when Kinzo speaks? BATTLER DOESN'T NARRATE THEM. The narration switches to third-person for those scenes. And as Episode 5 shows us, third-person narration is untrustworthy even when the detective is in the room.

In other words: Battler saw Kinzo's corpse in the study. And he also saw someone sitting across from the corpse. Meaning somone else was still alive on the island, whether it was Shannon, Kanon, or Jessica.

>>4723152
>The butterflies can easily be explained via Battler mistaking glittery confetti for golden butterflies due to his drunkenness.
Only if he is also blindfolded and has down syndrome. Also, how do I make confetti fly continuously all over the room? Magic?
>And the times when Kinzo speaks?
Kinzo yelled at Battler, Beato answered him, AND OF COURSE BATTLER DIDN'T HEAR THAT because he's drunk. Yeah, sure.

And finally, Beato in ep 4 mentions that it's their first meeting. No, Beato not simple piece and has at least some memory from the previous games as shown in ep5 where piece-Beato wonders how good the next Bern's piece after Ange will be.

>>4723295
> Kinzo yelled at Battler, Beato answered him, AND OF COURSE BATTLER DIDN'T HEAR THAT because he's drunk. Yeah, sure.
Are you an idiot? None of that happened, because it wasn't narrated from Battler's POV.

> No, Beato not simple piece and has at least some memory from the previous games as shown in ep5 where piece-Beato wonders how good the next Bern's piece after Ange will be.
Whoever the piece Beato of Episode 4 was, she (or they) had no more memory of previous games than piece Battler. The piece Beato of Episode 5 never existed as an actual human in the first place.

>>4724842
>Are you an idiot? None of that happened, because it wasn't narrated from Battler's POV.
Then you are claiming that any phrase said in the presence of the detective, but not narrated with words "I heard" or actual detective's reply can be interpreted that way. Good luck then. And you are still not explained flying confetti.
Whatever, I actually don't care what you believe.

You could go as far as to say that the study was burning down, which is how Battler thought he saw "butterflies"

Or a more plausible solution would be, there's just a bunch of candles or lights around the room to give the illusion of butterflies to trick drunk as fuck Battler.

Antifag bump.

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bump

Off topic but

Does any one have links for the drama CD that was released today? It contains Stake's V-day and Beato's White day.

Even in /jp/, m-o-e

>>4726822
> Drama CD
> Stakes' Valentine Day, Beato's White Day
FUCKING WANT

>>4726822
I haven't seen them anywhere, but you could always check the Umineko community on Livejournal.

It's horrible to go there, but a download is a download.

>>4726924

I checked there earlier today, sadly nothing about the drama CD.

All you guys have too shallow knowledge of the episodes and more 'open' theories. You only know the arguments about -trice theories well and that's it.

For example no one ever said that and at least the culprits at the first twilight is almost sure in E1-3 episode already. And then, who said that people can't come to the island after the first twilight, since, as Lambda didn't deny, corpses don't count as people?
(also lolcorpses)

>>4727060
>implying the island being completely closed off from the outside hasn't been stated in rate numerous times.

>>4727060
That people-coming-onto-the-island-later bit WAS a theory used before, back when the number of people was an inequality. Episode 6 gives us a specific, definite number of people, though, so that idea is no longer applicable.

>>4727104
Okay, got carried away here.

I am pro Moon-chan and anti ShKanon, even though I've seen too damn much signs of ShKanon in the rereadings because of other theories.

But that's a good point... who said the culprit in one Episode has to be the same in other Episodes?


And why are there ShKanntrice, Jesstrice, Ponyttler theories out there, but not a single one that says Maria is the culprit?

>>4727216
This one is pretty easy, it's clear that there are multiple culprits.

E1: 11 people got shot in the head. There is one single person on the island who could shoot this well and that's Kanon. Beacause Kinzo used to take him out to hunt and he turned out to be quite hax. Alternatively, the Shed is a trap set up by Hideyoshi(the only other person who saw Shannon's body was Kanon) and Shannon is alive. Note that Genji locked it with a padlock.
E2: There is no way it's anyone else than Rosa and some servants, perhaps Genji. I am not saying Rosa did all the killings, but she did the first twilight. Also ee the 'all the kakeras differ in how does Rosa on the conference act with the fact that she had already solved the epitaph to begin with and how does other react to it' theory.
E3: Kinzo's body, Krauss branch is not very bewildered by it and then they are both murdered in a very easily fakable way, which is supported by Jessica and Nanjo. Again, this does not mean everyone else are dead too, see E4 OP's Evatrice killing a heart with the Eagle crest on it.

>E1: 11 people got shot in the head. There is one single person on the island who could shoot this well and that's Kanon. Beacause Kinzo used to take him out to hunt and he turned out to be quite hax. Alternatively, the Shed is a trap set up by Hideyoshi(the only other person who saw Shannon's body was Kanon) and Shannon is alive. Note that Genji locked it with a padlock.

Well played.

>E2: There is no way it's anyone else than Rosa and some servants, perhaps Genji. I am not saying Rosa did all the killings, but she did the first twilight. Also ee the 'all the kakeras differ in how does Rosa on the conference act with the fact that she had already solved the epitaph to begin with and how does other react to it' theory.

So since only in this episode the girl got balls she's the culprit?

I like the "Jessica is Beatrice, Kinzo's dead, butterflies are confetti but Battler is so wasted he can't tell" theory more.

>E3: Kinzo's body, Krauss branch is not very bewildered by it and then they are both murdered in a very easily fakable way, which is supported by Jessica and Nanjo. Again, this does not mean everyone else are dead too, see E4 OP's Evatrice killing a heart with the Eagle crest on it.

Nanjo's death is the only one I can't explain, but I thought it was clear the culprit was Eva there...

>EP4

What the hell happenned here, anyway? Piece Battler died anyway?

>>4727579
Battler got killed by the bomb that explodes around midnight on October 5th.

>>4727579
Battler got killed by the explosion that always occurs around midnight on October 5th.

>>4727579
>Nanjo's death is the only one I can't explain, but I thought it was clear the culprit was Eva there...
At least read some red:
**The culprit who killed Nanjo was neither Battler nor Eva nor Jessica**

>>4727688
Kyrie is the most likely culprit for that murder. She was probably injured, but not killed, then faked her death and killed Nanjo later.

>>4727688
sorry. I typed in the wrong order there.

I can't figure Nanjo's death.

But for the EP3 itself, I thought Eva was the culprit.

>>4727672
what explosion?

>>4727721
EP3 Kyrie's.... didn't Eva-Beatrice kill her with SiestASS along with Rudolph?

What is going on? Why is this thread free of the GoK?

>>4727744
The explosion that has been hinted at ever since Episode 1 and that is finally explicitly stated to occur in the post-Episode TIPS of Episode 6.

Episode 6 also shows that a character dying in a fantasy scene does not necessarily mean they actually die.

>>4727755
Spirit of the pony theory.

>>4727755
gok will never die

>>4727744
>what explosion?
That one. Ep6 spoiler.

So the pony faggots from /a/ are now doubletrice fags here.
Doesn't surprise me, I doubt the umineko fanbase can get worse.

bump

>>4727830
Yeah, because Shkanontrice people are the epitome of a good fanbase, right?

Regardless, Doubletrice has some valid points to it, such as explaining what the hell went on in episode 4.

>>4727806
FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU

So even if they live, they die?

Wait a minute... then how did Eva survive in Ep 3 if there was an explosion? It didn't reach the Hidden Mansion

>>4729522
Faggots don't know about Occham's razor: the simplest explanation is usually right.

But what is simple in Umineko?