/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Become a robot.

Watching anime is honestly a very good way to learn japanese, granted you can put the english words and phrases you read to the japanese you hear.

http://www.tofugu.com/2009/12/01/alternatives-to-rosetta-stone-japanese-i-e-should-i-buy-rosetta-sto
ne/

>>4707628
that's so cute :3

Try this, it should help you with your grammer. More, importantly, it's free.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

Hiragana and katakan are easy to learn by heart because there isn't a lot to learn. But then there is kanji. Even though you try your best, you will forget them as soon as you don't use them. So you have to read eroge all the time to maintain your level of knowledge. Good luck.

Eat a Japanese man's brain.

>>4707642
The problem is most translators doing a shitty job. As for the good translators, they tend to say things differently than the actual language which is why I'm choosing not to study Japanese by just watching anime.

>>4707638
derp

pokemon games

Rosetta stone is a great way to learn how to speak it, i recommend you try that again. It just doesnt teach you proper grammar or how to write at all, but you would be able to get your point across.

Whats the source on that doujin?

>>4707666
I've never really had a problem. The more you watch the more you're able to spot out shitty translations. I lack a bit in vocabulary but I feel my sentence structure is somewhat passable for never taking a class.

OP Here:
>>4707681
Getting it now.

>>4707678
I'll reconsider then, though it's definitely not worth the price.

>>4707685
Well, I'm sure eventually I'll start learning more and more.

OP here:

Ok I got it.

Pink Switch
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/220527/c79f2ff4fb/

Grind up an English to Japanese dictionary and snort that shit.

Tae Kim's guide (>>4707662) then eroge with Translation Aggregator's Japanese parser.

>>4707711
I should probably mention I've been watching anime extensively for atleast five years now. It takes a long time but if you immerse yourself in it, I feel it's about the same as being stuck in a country where they don't speak english. It probably works better if you live alone (family and friends will essentially force you to speak english to communicate with them).

Immersion is the fastest. Emotional trauma begets accelerated learning.

http://www.wwoofjapan.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=29&am
p;lang=en

>>4707628
Namasensei's fuckin' japanese lessons, you bitch, etc.

Heisig method for kanji, kanjidamage for additional kanji help.

Consult your local Google machine about the following.

>>4707795
>Heisig method
Did someone ever managed to learn anything with that ?
"The monley get under the son and fire his arrow to the south" Yeah right.

with immersion you get stuck with a god awful accent like latin americans that speak english or such

>>4707795
>Heisig method for kanji, kanjidamage for additional kanji help.
Didn't you mean to switch that around? Kanjidamage for order and maybe mnemonics and heisig or additional dictionaries for assistance / rechecking.

OP Here:
Thanks for the suggestions.

Now are there any books you people like to recommend so I can read on the go?

Or better yet, an App for my iphone?

>>4707832
Don't know about any books, but since learning kanji takes nothing but lots of effort and time, just some text files with the ones you're learning for the day should do.

>>4707795
>Namasensei
Yeah, let's trust a guy who can't even write hiragana correctly!
>Heisig
Alright now you're just trolling.

smart.fm is awesome & free. they've got hiragana & katakana lessons as well as TONS of vocabulary (like 8000 words).

the pimsleur audio lessons are good for basic conversation stuff

>>4707833
lol wut, this is one of the dumbest things i've read.

immersion is the best way to speak without an accent.
you're not going to learn proper pronunciation sitting at home reading a textbook.
I learned Japanese by living in Japan, and on the phone Japanese people think I'm Japanese. Out of all the foreigners I know, the ones with the best pronunciation are the ones who learned through immersion. The worst were people who learned at home before coming to Japan. They also didn't get much better over time.

>>4707852
The fact that he displays the shit onscreen computer-font style and has an extremely convenient playlist setup so you can lay back on your bed and get cussed at while furiously writing moonrunes is great. It worked for me, it might not work for others.

Heisig is good, but it should at least teach you the pronunciation. The order in which it's taught it excellent as well, considering it teaches you by radical and not by individual word meaning.

>>4707921

oh yeah, and the learnjapanesepod.com podcast has some good lessons & is entertaining.

>>4707953

It must only work for japanese then, or you dont notice you have an awful accent. I have a couple hispanic friends who moved here from mexico when they were like 15 and spoke no english, now they have a very very strong accent. I personally lived in Sweden for 4 years, my accent is pretty bad, i was too busy trying to communicate instead of learning proper pronunciation.

>>4707953
>speak without an accent
>learn proper pronunciation
What does any of this have to do with reading manga, eroge, VNs, etc?

>>4708017
do you think you or your friend's pronunciation would be better if they were never immersed in the culture?

some people are just bad at learning in general.

out of all the Japanese students I've had who have gone on a homestay in the US for a year, 100% of them have come back with better pronunciation. in fact much, much better.

>>4708063
This. Why would someone want to speak japanese ? We only learn to be able to read.

>>4708063

kind of a moot point.

The post I was responding to was not about any of those.

>>4708120

I can read just fine but my listening comprehension is shit ;_;

I wonder how I best could improve it...

The fastest way is to move to Japan.

>moving onto katakana
haha oh wow. maybe when youre feeling real ambitious you can try some kanji

>>4708326
Maybe you can choke on a box of dicks too.

>>4708359
He's got a point though.
If it took you long just to get hiragana down and you already feel you accomplished something, you're in for a long ride.

use anki for kanji and vocab if you're smart, or if you're dumb like me and dont want to go to the trouble of downloading a program and choosing decks you can try http://www.readthekanji.com..

JLPT4 vocab and kanji (and most of JLPT3's kanji, btw) are available for free. This is a looooot of vocabulary for a beginner, so you can definitely bet it'll at least give you something to study for a couple weeks/months. For JLPT 3, 2, and 1, you have to pay like 6 dollars quarterly or 20 dollars yearly.

I wish I could recommend something that tests you on grammar, but I can't. In fact, the only really good "has anything to do with grammar" website I can think of is the one posted previously, Tae Kim's Japanese Guide to Japanese Grammar.

The best way is to learn hiragana and katakana, which will be fairly easy, and then realize you'll never be able to master kanji and feel depressed.

One site I've never seen mentioned in these threads before is this one:
http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/japanese/cover.html
Can't really say if it's good since I haven't gotten through it too far yet, but it seems okay.

>>4708017
Japanese is easier to pronounce period because it uses so few sounds. Understanding it is the hard part.

People, if you want to learn Japanese, you gotta learn how to read and write.

This guy @ http://kanjidamage.com/ helped me out pretty well, besides, radicals are fucking useful for everything.

http://www.hellodamage.com/kanjidicks/all.htm