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>>47011340
Well obviously, Yukari is Maribel after going 30 years without getting laid and becoming a wizard. She maintains her status as Sage of Gensokyo by still being unable to get any, as both Outsiders and Villagers alike can practically smell the desperation on her.

can this also be where you talk about renko and merry headcanons? the older sister thread's basically been hijacked by it

>>47011371
False, Merry in the outside world would have an incredibly easy time getting some...

>>47011390
Merry going on random infodumps about physics is the biggest dick repellent known to man.

>>47011390
Renko at least can dial back the autism, or be adorably smug about it in such a way as to pull that off, but we know both Hifuu members are basically social outcasts. And that's before we get into the matter of how Merry would freeze up like a deer in headlights if she saw a man in the nude.

>>47011413
>infodumps about physics
Worse, psychology.

>>47011413
You underestimate how much Women can get away with anon

>>47011340
Yukari is Maribel. Renko gets killed by the government and Maribel completes her Darth Vader journey. Becoming the child murdering monster we know today.

>>47011497
You have to wonder what wires got crossed in Merry's head to make her go from molesting her little brother to voring little boys.

>>47011530
Probably the government taking away and executing Renko. Though I imagine some of it is simply her just feeling empty after creating Gensokyo and realizing no Youkai respects or likes her.

>>47011446
Think about it anon. Trying to flirt with a woman at a pub while she's too engrossed in telling you the history of Serbian rail.

>>47011588
So, basically this meme in reverse?

>>47011564
>Probably the government taking away and executing Renko.
You mean the Lunar Capital, right Anon?

>>47011530
1) Not canon.
2) Never phrase it that way again.

>>47011530
Go on...

>>47011497
Other way around. Maribel gets murdered and Renko adopts her identity before becoming Yukari.

>>47011497
>>47011564
Why would Renko be executed? Just of kicking some Jizo statues?

They are the same person at different points in spacetime. Check em.

>>47011340
Since Maribels power evolved, it's safe to assume Renko's will too, allowing her to manipulate space-time with the power of the moon and stars.

Tired by the dystopian modernism of the world they live in, the two go to the past to found an arcadian society, using their abitilies to create a world on finite dimensions, perpendicular to those of our own world. They employ the help of the god Matarajin, known to protect the backdoors of buddhist temples and guard the pure land of Amitabha from bad people who try to be reborn there, and also of an oni because why tf not. Maribel becomes a youkai, so now the four sages are a human(Renko), a youkai(Merry), a god(Okina) and an oni(Kasen).
They found a shrine to protect the land, Renko's descendents (by blood or just by name) are the shrine maidens.

The lunarians, realizing that their pure land will eventually be invaded, ask the two for help, offering them an immortal, pure life on the moon in exchange. They agree. This is how the moons barrier is created.
Maribel, being a youkai, can't live in the pure land, so the two eventually have to refuse the offer. Eirin doesn't want them to remain unrecompensed, so she makes the Horai Elixir, allowing Renko to be immortal on earth along with her friend, she doesn't know about the impurity this will cause.

Renko created moon rabbits.

The Junko thing happens. Renko's husband shoots Junko's sons using some future technology they brought with them, which in folklore will be interpreted as a bow. He is killed. Renko and Kaguya both drink the elixir. Them drinking it causes a spike in impurity almost big enough to spoil the pure land. Renko is blamed and arrested. Being on the moon, she can't use her power.

Maribel goes a bit insane trying to rescue her friend, becoming Yukari.

>>47012529
>her friend

>>47011340
Renko's little brother grew up and got a girlfriend his age. She was devastated and went a bit mad.

Maribel just gets naturalized into Gensokyo, just like Lafcadio Hearn became naturalized to Japan and became Yakumo Koizumi.

>>47012833
Isn't it implied that she created Gensokyo?

>>47012529
Seems pretty well thought out, but I always assumed Yuyuko has something to do with the Hakurei barrier for some reason.

>>47012865
Gensokyo is not a place that was created, it a part of the planet that was sealed off from the outside world. She made a barrier of reality and fantasy protecting it after whoever was involved with the Hakurei barrier separated it spatially.

>>47012908
Gensokyo was createe, because the part of the planet is just Hakuba. Yukari herself was involved with the creation of the Barrier, but largely it seems that it can be credited to Watatsumi. What Yukari IS responsible for, however, is the Youkai Expansion Project that preceeded the GHB, which in turn led to Gensokyo being the refuge for non-humans that it is.

>>47011423
Merry would freeze up like a deer in headlights if she saw a man approaching her in any way.

>>47011530
Presumably the "sexual gratification" and "eating" ones.

>>47012753
Yukari is such a tragic character, all she ever wanted was love.

>>47011388
If it'll get us any closer to an answer then go ahead.

>>47012138
Its touhou anon
This is the one universe where vore is canon

>>47011340
My headcanon will always be that Merry is Yukari's daughter

>>47016610
Headcanon has to be something that could work within the ambiguities of canon, anon. Yukari could never get laid.

>>47011340
Gensokyo is a simulation. Nothing is real. Merry is the one playing the game. And the game is EraTW

>>47016855
Merry is too pure for that

>>47016855
>>47016897
eraTW is vanilla game. You need to spend 3 years or more with a girl to do adult things with her consent.

>>47012529
Junko trying to kill Renko in revenge is a fun theory.

maribel is so cute

>>47016641
Gappy has superhuman strength
She doesn't need to ask

>>47018900
No amount of superhuman strength can make her personality less of a turn-off.

>>47016641
>implying she can't affect the border between pregnant and not pregnant.

I think Yukari's personality is extremely hot. I'd do her. If she asked, or threatened.

>>47020106
Hi Ran.

>>47018900
Yukari's strength is programmable. She can lift a redwood tree or be so dainty that a trip would break her bones as the narrative needs.

>>47017110
The moment you know Merry truly turns into the monster Yukari is when she goes from TW to K.

>>47025111
She looks mad. Are Maribel's clothes that uncomfortable?

>>47025145

>>47025201
I guess Renko just like her own clothes and doesn't want to wear anyone else's. Can't blame her, she is very stylish.

>>47025111
>>47025201
the smell

>>47025111
Dressing tomboys up in frilly dresses is nice, huh?

>>47022070
The Yukari Paradox. She's a strong and powerful Youkai, but her back gives out before she can really get serious.

>>47025338
Renko is such a tomboy with her dress and shawl

>>47016855
If she actually played eraTW would she just romance herself?

>>47025338
Renko is not a tomboy...

>>47026688
But then why does she look so frustrated wearing that dress?

>>47026511
She'd probably j/u/st go after Renko

>>47026511
Yukari wouldn't play, there's no Rinnosuke to sexually harass and occasionally rape.

>>47026759
Because she's wearing grandma looking clothes that probably aren't all that comfortable

>>47026845
Wouldn't the grandma clothes of the future be what girls wear today?

>>47026874
there will be no future

>>47026879
There has to be a future, otherwise there's no Maribel and Renko

>>47026845
>grandma looking
When's the last time you've seen a woman under 40 wear a shawl?
>probably aren't all that comfortable
Renko wears a dress shirt and tie all the time. Maribel's clothes are probably more comfortable, all things considered.

>>47011340
>Alright, Anons. THIS is the thread where we will definitively answer the question: "How are Yukari Yakumo and Maribel Hearn related". There'll be no further threads for the rest of time about the subject so we better unanimously agree.
If we take Lafcadio and other aspects of touhou into account, it's clear that Yukari is Merry's non-human ancestor. With Merry having the most powerful magic compared to her human ancestors. We got a similar sort of thing going on with Sanae being a living God because of her relation to Suwako. This makes a lot more sense than some out of place, terminator-esque time travel fanfic tier "they're ackshually the same" shit. Weird too since Merry and Doremy both have dreams as important motifs but no one seems to believe they're the same person, must be the different color pallete. We all know that if two characters have a similar color pallete then that must mean that they are the same person.
So fuck what I said before. Doremy, Yukari and Merry and Lafcadio are the same person. Who is also an axolotl tapir hominid hybrid. Sounds kind of weird, but itmakes a hell of a lot more sense than the usual yuri-fueled bullshit we've heard before.

>>47026759
>>47025633
Tomboy is not in the dress, its in the attitude, Renko is a tomboy in the classical sense, not the meme sense. She is embarrassed since she doesn't like such eye catching frilly dresses, its not rocket surgery.

>>47027188
I still don't know if I believe it (I don't understand why you mentioned Lafcadio if it just goes against your theory) but I want it to be true because I like maribel so it would be good news to know that she doesn't turn into a man-eating hag. Besides this would be a plot twist since everyone thinks they are the same person

>>47027188
Imagine wifing Yukari and she reveals that Merry is you two's granddaughter and also offers you to take her cherry.

>>47027188
Wouldn't her descendants also be part youkai? Sanae being human even though her ancestor is a god makes more sense since we never see any demigods so you can assume that gods are divine humans, or rather that gods and humans share the same nature, but there are half-youkai so all of Yukari's descendants will be part-youkai.
Also, why would Yukari's kids be in the outside world?

>>47025201
The tie looks way hotter on Maribel, I wander why.

>>47027286
Damn my generational incest fetish... I'd be forced to accept

>>47026874
Does your grandma wear the same things she did when she was in her twenties?

>>47027207
I agree that Renko acts tomboyish, but I think she likes the dress but doesn't want Merry to know that, otherwise why would she be blushing?

>>47027286
I think I'd be severely mind fucked if the woman I was marrying revealed to me that we already have descendants together.

>>47027458
All the more reason for her to do it.

>>47027458
It WOULD warrant certain unnerving prospects about your free will and such, wouldn't it?

>>47027668
How would you handle Yukari hitting you with the fact that the future is already fixed and nobody has any choice (but you can soothe your deterministic crisis by cumming inside your granddaughter)?

>>47027680
Kill myself right then and there to prove I have choice

>>47027668
I think it would feel both very unnerving and slightly romantic in a way if that makes any sense.

>>47027188
>This makes a lot more sense than some out of place, terminator-esque time travel fanfic tier "they're ackshually the same" shit.
Anon we already have explicit confirmation that Merry showed up in the Bamboo Forest of the Lost in the past, relative to the Hifuu timeline. Please pay closer attention to these things, because you made yourself look really stupid with this and I know neither of us want that.

>>47027842
Someone's bootyblasted his yurishit headcanon was mocked.

>>47027286
>>47027458
I read those and the only thing I could imagine was that one Futurama episode but with Yukari.

>>47027847
What does Maribel being Yukari have to do with yuri? Are you okay?

>>47027849
So Merry going go the past, fucking her own grandpa(Anon), then getting bullied by Renko for 4d chessing herself into generational incest? I need this in doujin of fanfic style.

>>47027849
Ok now all I'm imagining is Yukari taking Merry out of the past so you can impregnate her, revealing that you just knocked up your mother who's going to birth you, travel back through time to become Yukari, and now you need to knock up Yukari so she can birth Merry.

>>47027966
Almost, but thought process was more like:
Yukari takes you to knock up her younger self, who would then have a mysterious unknown daughter who ends up birthday Marry, who's eventually gets knocked up by you and become Yukari.

>>47027286
Imagine you wife up Sumireko and Yukari appears, reveals that Renko is your granddaughter and makes you the same offer.

>>47011340
I haven't read anything about Merry and Ranko, what is she like?

>>47028908
Maribel studies relative psychology and has the power to observe boundaries and interact with them sometimes, she is pretty nice but also a bit melancholic and discontent with the world she lives in. She contrasts well with Renko, who, despite being very intelligent, is rather blunt and sometimes smug.

She is connected to Yukari because:
1. They look similar
2. They have similar powers
3. Both of them are based on a writer who changed his name from Lafcadio Hearn to Yakumo Koizumi after moving to Japan

>>47028944
It's also worth noting that Lafcadio is responsible for introducing Japanese culture, mythology, and folklore to the rest of the world in his collections of legends and stories. A very significant person.

>>47028908
>what is she like?
That depends a lot on your interpretation.
The CDs are not that hard to get into and they are pretty interesting.

I love Maribel so much

>>47011413
I like a person who's passionate about their interests.

>>47012865
Eh? Wasn't it the dragon?

>>47032329
it was me

>>47032336
Dragon-sama... i kneel...

>>47011413
>>47011429
What even is there to rant about in psychology? The worse that can happen is she starts talking about Jung.

>>47032440
what if I tell her I had a dream about a snake and a apple cut in half

>>47032508
After that you will live the happiest 2 hours of your life as she starts dissecting evey small detail of your dream from every imaginable perspective.
Most of it won't even make sense but her excitement will make her very confident about everything she says. It's the first time she gets to do it, Renko never tells her about any of her dreams, Merry isn't even sure if Renko ever dreams at all, so you better act interested about whatever she says.

>>47032440
A woman infodumping me about Jung...that would be my dream...

>>47032549
"Uwaah, your classmates told me you were weird, but I didn't think it would be this bad."

>>47032706
Now she'll never be able to talk about her passion ever again, always remembering this humiliation and will give up on trying to make any other friends. This is why Yukari is such a recluse, who's only firends are her pets and a ghost.
And it's all your fault.

>>47032706
Even today, Ran still hears Yukari mutter in her sleep "B-but you wanted to talk about dreams"

>>47032698
Mine too, I guess it would be worse if she infodumped about Freud, but I can't see Maribel being into Freud for some reason.

>>47032706
>>47032972
>>47033036
Nooooo that's sho horrible...

If Merry is Yukari, then what if she's also trying to prevent the dystopian future that she and Renko grew up in?

>>47033589
Considering how Yukari acts and the fact that Youkai forget most things after 60 years have passed, assuming Yukari remembers at all, it's more likely that she's trying to create a closed timeloop, rather then prevent the future.

If ZUN actually addressed PC-98 in a clearer way, the whole time loop idea could be more interesting given Yumemi's existence, although it would also remove the one excuse Yukari has for her actions, being ensuring her own existence.

>>47033655
>ensuring her own existence.
What does that entail, keeping Sumi alive?

>>47034540
Among other things, yeah, but assuming it's a Back to The Future type deal, which everything so far seems to indicate if we don't assume a very particular set of time travel mechanics.

If we go by the logic of "Yumemi travelling back in time leads to the PC-98 timeline, which eventually becomes the Hifuu future, and Maribel going back in time becomes the Windows timeline" I guess we could string them all together, but from Yukari's perspective, she may very well not have any reason to believe that time works that way.

>>47033182
Thankfully, this incident didn't ruin Maribel's passion for dream interpretation.
She did decide to skip the rest of her classes that day to go home and sob for a bit, but Renko came and cheered her up. She decided to finally tell Merry about her dreams, as weird and nonsensical as they may be, and actually found Merry's explanations pretty interesting. Renko would always dominate their conversations with her knowledge of physics, but now, Merry felt like the center of attention for the first time.
The next day, thanks to Renko's encouragements, she decided to attend her classes again, but all her classmates could notice she was quieter than usual.
After the classes were over, all of Merry's peers came to her. She was expecting some insincere apolagy for laughing at her behind her back, but that's not what she got. Merry's class decided to go to the nearest park and hang out with her, talking about psychology, mysticism, Jung, her dreams and whatever else she would like. They did think she was weird, but that weirdness is what made her great.
While this didn't heal the wound, it was a nice consolation to know that her colleagues appreciate her which had nothing to do with the fact that Renko threatened them.

>>47034739
Escaping with my life by virtue of not being Maribel's classmate!

>>47034804
Yeah, Renko didn't think about that. She got carried away by the idea of kicking actual people, not just Jizo statues.

>>47036391
Rather than becoming Chang'e, at this rate, Renko will become Saki!

>>47036403
I'd say more like Shizuha. It's not that her kick is exceptionally powerful, she just really enjoys using it.

>>47034594
It's a little too late for it, but how would Yumemi being reintroduced affect the Hifuu lore?

>>47014674
Is there any canon explanation for the eye color change?

>>47037658
zun's retardism

>>47039806
One interesting detail is that, unlike Alice's or Sakuya's eyes which just changed at random, Yukari's eyes seem to change color depending on what she is wearing: they are purple when she wears the dress and yellow when she wears the tabard, but Maribel's eyes change color at random multiple times but are never purple. Maybe there is more to it.

>>47017767
What if the lunarians arrested Renko to protect her. Maybe Junko found a way to reverse Horai immortality, but even if Junko can't kill her, she can still hurt her really badly.
This would explain why Kaguya was just exiled to earth but Chang'e wasn't and also why they didn't just give Chang'e to Junko and Hecatia.

>>47041183
They don't give Chang'e over because without her, they have no authority over the moon rabbits.
>>47036665
It would mean that it can't be a closed time loop like Back to The Future. Yumemi's future is definitely more advanced than the Hifuu future given the PSH. By extension, this means that Yukari's actions possibly being to close the time loop are unnecessary and mistaken, if we assume that's a motive of hers.

>>47032277
Maribel a Cute !

>>47028944
>she is pretty nice but also a bit melancholic
I think pessimistic its a better word than melancholic

>>47041378
>They don't give Chang'e over because without her, they have no authority over the moon rabbits.
Reminds me of how in the first chapter of CiLR Eirin says Tewi is allowed to skip work and act as she pleases due to being the one who controls the Inaba.
Chang'e is sort of a parallel to both Tewi and Kaguya being a princess trapped in a cage who's useful due to her control.ovwr rabbits, I do wonder if Chang'e and Tewi have any real connection in Touhou.

Yukari is just an empty husk that gives people the impression that she's the one behind Gensokyo when its really a joint US-Russia-Japan project. Maribels are grown every couple hundred years when the current Yukari's electromagnetically-based neural link starts becoming too unstable to become the new Yukaris. Maribel is a chimera, consisting of DNA from a woman originally living in Sedona, AZ combined with the DNA of a 3000 year old psychically-attuned preserved corpse discovered on a no longer existing island near Franz Josef Land. Renko is also grown in parallel with Maribel to serve as both a teacher and as surveillance.

This is all canon and will be elaborated on in Th20

>>47044062
>I do wonder if Chang'e and Tewi have any real connection
Tewi is the mother of all earth rabbits and Chang'e controls all moon rabbits. I always assumed Chang'e created moon rabbits from earth rabbits somehow, but I don't think it was ever explained. I imagine it was similar to how the lunarians created youkai.

>>47044549
It's also interestring how half of the moon rabbits we know of have powers related to physics, the others being Rei'sen who has no power and Ringo who's a fatass. Maybe this also has something to do with how they communicate.

>>47044618
Rei'sen has the power to seduce me

>>47044549
The claim that Lunarians created Youkai is largely unsubstantiated and contradicts what we know of the Mental Layer. The difference between Moon Rabbits and Earth Rabbits doesn't seem to be any different than the difference between Lunarians and Humans, which is largely just attributed to the former lacking Kegare.

>>47044651
There's also their ability to communicate by looking at the moon

>>47044667
From how Reisen explains it in Cage, it's more like their ears working like radio antennae than the moon itself having anything to do with it.

>>47044677
Wasn't there an early space age project idea that was basicaly using the moon as a radio wave reflector? I don't remember if it ever got implemented or not. So maybe the moon has something to do with their radio waves.

>>47044739
Project Diana in 1946. Cool idea, I think Renko would agree.

>>47044549
>Tewi is the mother of all earth rabbits
I've heard this before, but do you know where it comes from.
For all that she is Tewi just seems to have been a rabbit who survived for along time and became a youkai.
Do we ever get the implication she was the first rabbit?

>>47044005
She's not pessimistic, there are still things that get her excited. That's why I think she is more melancholic than pessimistic or misanthropic. She'd happily live in the past or in a world with more magic.

>>47046795
I think it's more of a figure of speech. She is the leader of the earth rabbits so she's probably also the oldest most powerful of them.

>>47046795
She is canologically the white Inaba of myth, ergo mother of moon rabbits and was was wife of lord Daikoku, God of medicine (only being better at pharmacy then eirin).
Also never explored in canon but that would kinda make tewi and Kanako in-laws, as Daikoku is an aspects or version of the irl moriyan god or something

>>47047384
Daikoku is a version of a shinto god who was the father of Takeminakata, who Kanako is based on

>>47047384
I'm aware of the Kanako thing, although i'm pretty sure the wife tewi thing is a fanon born from her being a love god in shintoism, being in love with Daikoku, being a hag, having tons of kids, and Daikoku having a harem of godesses.
Although the harem thing is also funny, as it's unclear in Touhou if Okina is him, an aspect of him, one of his wives, or just somebody who took over his job when he got fucked over.

>>47047511
I've heard people say that about Okina, from what I understand, she is a syncretized version of multiple gods, the only one I'm aware of is Matarajin, a buddhist deity brought from Korea.
Regardless, they are most certainly different people, since Daikoku is sealed in a shrine.

>>47047552

>>47047749
Thanks for posting that, I couldn't find the image myself, but personally I think being cautious with using irl syncritism when talking about Touhou lore.
Especially since Daikokuten was sealed in Touhou, but my preferred interpretation of all the fusing is that Okina was one of his wives who took over his job when he as sealed.

Guys what the fuck there is a fucking hifuu club anime and I just found out now
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Hifuu_Club_Activity_Record_~_The_Sealed_Esoteric_History
Is it good?

>>47047956
>my preferred interpretation of all the fusing is that Okina was one of his wives who took over his job when he as sealed
That's an interesting one for sure!

>>47043973
Maribel THE cute!

From TJD, who's talking there, is it an omniscient narrator or is it supposed to be some specific person?
Also, what on earth is "death itself passed into fantasy" supposed to mean?

>>47049959
If you read the whole thing it's pretty obvious that the narrator in those bits is supposed to be either Mai or Satono.

>>47049959
it's basically only possible for it to be Okina or one of her attendants. My headcanon is that Mai and Satono said the
>Well, there's nothing that can be done about it, is there?
and the
>There's no way that that could be true, right?
>Riiight—?
while Okina said the other bits

>>47049989
Yeah, now that I read it again, it is clear that there are at least two narrators in that section

>>47049959
>death itself passed into fantasy
The created a cure for aging in the future and began implementing lifespan regulations.
It's a common trope for how curing aging or making death harder doesn't remove the fear of death and that creating problems for society.
The future earth, without spirituality, fantasy, or any supernatural method of coping, then began struggling as they reach the limit of science and human reason in a universe which doesn't conform to it.

>>47050020
>lifespan regulations
I've heard that before but I haven't finished all the Hifuu stories, where is that from?

Someone calculated the year Maribel and Renko live in. It took me a while to find it.
Seems they might soon finish their studies.

>>47050099
It's mentioned in Dateless Bar Old Adam.

>>47050257
why care about this if zun just wrote random dates

>>47050322
Have some faith in ZUN, anon...

>>47050344
While this particular case clearly is deliberate, having faith in ZUN is not a habit you want to form.

>>47050322
You never know with ZUN, sometimes he has a remarkable attention to detail, other times he forgets his character's eye color

>>47052066
>sometimes he has a remarkable attention to detail,
when?

>>47050442
What if ZUN's occasional sloppiness is a result of people lacking faith in him? If shrine maidens can become gods, surely the "head priest of the Hakurei Shrine" can become a god too?

>>47052625
If the blind faith some people have in him is insufficient, then he lacks the qualifications to become a god.

>>47052162
For example with Sagume or Mokou

>>47044618
Usagi Renko

>>47044618
No, its actually me. Anon.
I simply run letters between them real fast, sometimes I take the bus when my car is out of commission. But usually I can make due on foot if need be.

>>47053303
I thought they were all illiterate.

>>47053403
They speak into the letter and it writes itself, advanced moonie tech you see

>>47044618
Here's another connection between Renko and the moon rabbits, Reisen , specifically. Tough I do think this is just a coincidence and it may be a bit of a stretch.
On Torifune, because of the weaker gravity, Renko starts to run around and pretend she has a gun and Maribel even mentions the idea of her shooting light bullets. Reminds you of anyone?

>>47055882
>Renko starts to run around and pretend she has a gun and Maribel even mentions the idea of her shooting light bullets. Reminds you of anyone?
I can't believe Renko is the originator of the Kirisame family...

>>47055882
Reisen might be a special case, in Reimu's LoLK ending Eirin says only humans can oppose Junko, implying at leasr Reisen is part human.
For Chang'e's control over the rabbits, Eirin herself says that the rabbits can be used against Chang'e and Junko as well as her relationship to Chang'e are kept a secret for this reason.

>>47055999
The way I interpreted it was that Eirin was lying, or telling a half-truth and that in reality, the one who defeats Junko only had to be an earthling, like Reisen who started calling herself an earth rabbit, not necesarily human.
But, weirdly enough, Reisen's species in LoLK is given as "human", so you might have a point.

>>47056227
The reason I still choose to believe this is because Reisen being half-human implies the moonies interbreed with moon rabbits.

>>47055999
maybe moon rabbits are actually humans that got experimented on by the lunarians

>>47056227
In Sanae's bad ending, Suwako says the ultramarine orb elixer would make Sanae into a clean human.
The ending narration then makes a joke about extra lives, then saying using the elixir might be dangerous.
I bring this up since it might be extra evidence of the elixer temporarily turning a half-human into a different type human.

>>47056262
I remember watching a youtube video where the rabbits were all brainwashed humans, and Reisen strapped herself to a rocket to get to earth and avoid fighting niel armstrong.
It was a very funny video, but we at least know some of them are at minimum partially Youkai since Reisen 2 mentions being able to use Youkai shape shifting to look more like an earth rabbit.

>>47055935
Renko is to Gensokyo what Zeus was to Ancient Greece, like half of it's inhabitants can claim descent from her.probably why autism is so widespread there

>>47056517
Poor woman's vagina must have been as wide as an expo hall by the time she finally hit menopause.
I wonder who was the lucky father. Or fathers?

>>47056619
All merry, its how you know Yukari isn't her, because Yukari never scores

>>47056619
It's more like a Genghis Khan situation. She only had like 5-8 children with only one man, rookie numbers if you ask me. But those kids had a lot more of their own.
>>47056632
It's only real sex if a man is involved. Ask Akyuu.

>>47056619
Imagine all the powdered milk her husband had to bring to Gensokyo

>>47011340
Are there any theories about how Maribel became a youkai? Did she have to kill anyone like Alice(supposedly) or was there some other way?

>>47057246
My favorite theory is that Yukari is the ribbon on the cap and that she possessed Maribel.

>>47057468
That makes things pretty easy, doesn't it?

>>47055882
Renko really is a tomboy!

>>47057816
And bit of a child at heart too, just like Maribel! No wonder they get along so well!

>>47055999
>Eirin says only humans can oppose Junko, implying at leasr Reisen is part human
No, Reisen could fight Junko because she was already impure, while the Lunarians couldn't fight Junko because the pure life force of her buffed fairies terrified them.

>>47058991
Well Eirin's exact line in the ending is
>"This time we faced someone whom the Lunarians couldn't deal with themselves, and youkai, being completely impure, cannot even see."
>"In other words, only humans could solve it."

>>47057502
If only it were that simple, these things somehow keep coming back.

>>47060382
I never noticed this before but Maribel does already wear a ribbon at her neck.
There is something very symbolic here. Maribel can always make her discontent end, embrace her ability and reach a magical land and all it takes is putting that ribbon on her bonnet. But she doesn't because that would require her becoming a bad person. Of course, she ends up doing it in the end. Maribel is a true tragic hero.

Maybe Maribel became a youkai accidentally from using too much magic and staying too much around other youkai.
Maribel doesn't strike me as someone who would want to become a youkai, especially considering how much she's been attacked by them.

>>47050257
Poor Hifuu fans. Having to wait over a century to talk to your favorite neurotic college students sounds rough.

>>47059056
I guess what this means is that Reisen, having come from the near pure moon and then became impure on the Earth, is only half-impure and was therefore human enough

>>47062734
Kuso mindset anon, all I see is the possibility to become Renko's unnamed grandfather that isn't mentioned because he is not important to the story.

>>47062734
宇佐見 蓮子 Usami Renko マエリベリー・ハーン Maribel Hearn
Now, when they will search their names online, they will find this post on an archive.
Sure, I can't talk to them, but I will make sure they know I existed.

>>47062759
Eh, I think if it meant that, it would've said it somewhere.
But I prefer the Reisen being part human interpretation, and as other Anon pointed out she's called a human in LoLK, if she was something like a "half-pure youkai rabbit,' I think she would've been called as such.
Eirin's statement is also rather definite, the Lunarians couldn't fight Junko and nether could a youkai, when Reisen drank the Ultramrine Orb Elixer it purified that Youkainess out of her leaving a "human."

>>47062777
With such lucky trips you will!
I want to be Maribel's grandfather!

>>47062908
Eirin could have just lied. After all, the reason she hhad to tell Reimu that is to justify another lie. Her species was probably just a mistake, she is called a rabbit everywhere else, even after LoLK. The elixir may have just temporarily turned her into a normal earth rabbit.

>>47062979
Eirin could have lied, but I don't think she did, she's explaining her actions to Reimu and if she didn't need a human why trick Reimu and the other protagonists in the first place?
Also earth rabbits are impure youkai and thus wouldn't be able to oppose Junko. Reisen turning into a 'normal' non-youkai earth rabbit also doesn't make sense as we see Reisen and she didn't turn into one, she's still clearly bipedal and has her powers.
I also somehow doubt that human was a mistake, as her omake text her Reisen herself questioning why Eirin would send her alongside the humans, for which I think the answer would be the Ultarime Orb Elixer made her human by purifying the youkainess out of her.
Also I don't know how you get from 月の兎 to 人間. They have a different length in characters and don't have any characters in common.

>>47062734
As always, time travel saves the day.

>>47011340
My theory: maribel is the cutest

>>47064718
I'm afraid that's already canon.

>>47050257
Ah yes, of course the Hifuu Club would wait 360 years to visit the moon, nothing seems amiss there.

>>47064859
It's just a typo Anon.

>>47064903
No shit lol. I was just poking fun at it.

>>47064859
I know Renko is late sometimes, but this is absurd.

>>47064718
A bold theory to be sure. Do you have any evidence to back that up?

>>47067401
Look at her this is the pinnacle of ZUNart

>>47067907
I've been looking at this picture for 20 minutes straight, I just can't look away. She's staring right into my soul.

>>47068036
Maribel hypnosis

>>47068043
If I look away for too long I get a headache. Renko did say Merry has weird eyes so I guess I was warned.

>>47067907
Why is she so perfect?

>>47062777
Sumireko finally found a boyfriend!

How do you think Merry and Renko would react to /jp/ posts made about them?

>>47071368
They'd probably be annoyed at the lewd and rude ones and blush at the ones where they are called things like pretty or cute or adorable.

>>47071386
Wouldn't there be more to it? Imagine finding out people in the late 19th century were talking about you and your best friend.

>>47052787
That would imply enough people have that blind faith to begin with.

>>47060684
A solid possibility, a youkai like human will turn into a youkai in time.

>>47071495
Sorry, yeah, of course they would be incredibly weirded out by such. Let alone there being art of them. And them being characters in a doujin series. Which apparently predicts their lives.

>>47071368
I imagine that after they get over the initial shock of people in the past knowing about them, they would start reading the posts to see what people think about them and laugh them off until becoming very self-conscious about their defects which /jp/ likes to exaggerate.

>>47072107
At least there's always the silver lining of a bunch of men giving them compliment. I imagine it's hard for Maribel to still get mad at the board after reading this post >>47068607

>>47055882
I love Renko so much.

>>47071729
I hope that is what actually happens. Maribel becoming Yukari on accident somewhat rescues both characters.

I'm not 100% caught up on Hifuu lore but could it be possible that it isn't that Maribel becomes Yukari but that Maribel is currently Yukari kind of like pic related?
Like, they both share the same space but aren't completely aware of the other's existence?

>>47075487
Everything about Maribel's character design would suggest that it's more of a metamorphosis than anything else, and that's before getting into how much of Yukari's Abilities are just advanced versions of what Maribel already displays, or crude techniques that are established to be derived from theoretical physics that she would have learned the basics of from Renko.

Why does Maryberry have to be Yukari anyway? Gensokyo and Yukari are probably dead at the time she exists but you have this whole schizo timeloop theorem going. YOu act like Yukari has a monopoly on her powers when Reimu can do similar.

>>47075727
Welcome back, shitposter-kun! You would know if you read PMiSS that it's already confirmed that Maribel has traveled back in time, but I know reading is very hard for you.
>YOu act like Yukari has a monopoly on her powers when Reimu can do similar.
Nobody here has suggested as such. Anyone who actually bothered to read CiLR can tell you that it's possible for literally anyone to learn how to make the sort of gaps Yukari does. However, the requisite knowledge isn't something anyone from the Heian Era, when Yukari was first spotted, would know. This is, of course, to say nothing of all the meta elements connecting the two that ZUN has made abundantly clear are deliberate.

Feel free to come back after acquiring basic literacy!

>>47075727
>Gensokyo and Yukari are probably dead at the time she exist
Gensokyo probably still exists in the future. The Lunar Capital, which is way more vulnerable , still exists as does the Netherworld
>YOu act like Yukari has a monopoly on her powers when Reimu can do similar
Reimu's abilities are not really similar to Yukari's. There are not that many characters with similar abilities and while Maribel does mention her ability being hereditary, she says no one could use it as well as her.
And it's not just their abilities being similar or them being inspired by the same person, they even act the same in certain situations. The way Maribel used to reach the Lunar Capital is the same one Yukari used, and no one else ever used that method. They have to be somehow connected.

>>47075608
Yeah, most likely. I was trying to reason away Yukari's "naps" as when she might become Maribel again but another hole is that, in the latest album, Maribel's only gone for two weeks and Renko moves heaven and earth to find her so she'd probably be less shocked then if it were the case that Maribel is constantly turning back into Yukari for other events in Touhou to happen.

>>47078196
Since you brought up TJD, it's interesting how it also says that Maribel is now mostly nocturnal, just like Yukari.
>She wasn't able to sleep comfortably at night, but that was a trifling matter for her since her days and nights had naturally been reversed.

>>47075879
>Welcome back, shitposter-kun!
Hunting shadows, are we?

>>47011340
What even is relative phychology?

>>47089543
Psychology in relation to others. so literally just psychology since it's always in relation to others

>>47089584
That doesn't sound like something you can make a career out of.

>>47089681
Maybe that's why she ran away to Gensokyo

>>47089801
And to think everything Yukari has ever done is just to prove to Renko that a humanities degree is also useful...

>>47089874
That's why ZUN will never end the series, because Maribel will never succeed in doing so.

>>47098575
cute

Merry can time travel but has Yukari been shown to time travel? If not then instead of Merry becoming Yukari, Merry could be Yukaris mom she had in the past.

>>47067907
Stearing at this picture does more for me than any painkiller in the world

>>47067907
Honestly, I'm genuinely surprised Maribel's eye color hass been relatively consistent all these years when even an important mainstay character like Marisa can get her eye's changed out for no reason.

>>47011340
My theory is Merry ends up stuck in the past due to one of her time travel jaunts and thus has to Bender's Big Score her way back to the present, becoming Yukari along the way.

>>47112105
It's weird how they were never purple. I guess when they turn purple we'll know she is turning into Yukari.

>>47116173
Well, Merry's eyes are closed on TJD's cover so maybe her ribbon isn't the only thing new about her design.
Now you've got me wondering if she'll gradually transition over time or some single event will happen and Maribel will suddenly be gone forever, replaced by who we call Yukari.

I go with the basic Yukari is Maribel after time traveling, growing her abilities, and eventually becoming a youkai. Renko is the Hakurei progenitor (knowingly or not), with Reimu's Float being a far-off evolution of her own ability.

>>47011340
a few hundred years in the future yukari took a hit to the head and lost her memories, while in the outside world. she was mistaken for a regular human girl, adopted and given the name maribel

>>47112437
This does bring up an ineresting posibility, what if Maribel got stuck in the past accidentally, instead of willfully traveling there. This also explains why Renko is nowhere to be seen.
And after their separation, maybe Renko tries to build...I don't know, the Probability Space Hypervessel

>>47122634
How did Yukari become cuter the older she got?

Would you think less of Maribel if it turned out she went back in time alone of her own accord and left Renko behind without an explanation?

>>47133080
It depends of how it's handeled.
-Renko, despite being a conspiracy obsessed schizo, clearly has the more promising future
-Whenever she went to Gensokyo, Merry got attacked pretty fequently. Renko was never in any danger in their adventures
-Maybe Merry wants to clear the way ahead and then go back for Renko, but never got around to it
If she had one of those reasons, honestly, I'd think higher of her.
Otherwise, yes, of course I'd dislike her. Renko loves the supernatural and is shown to be jealous of Maribel's ability. Having Renko's best friend run away from her, leaving her disconected from magic entirely, without any good reason would be awful.

>>47133080
I'd hi five Yukari for pulling such an impressive shit move on her friend.

>>47133080
Why would Merry ever do something like this

>>47133199
>>47135333
>Renko loves the supernatural and is shown to be jealous of Maribel's ability
And perhaps Maribel is too of Renko's intelligence; Maribel did just get lost the one time she tries investigating solo and had to be rescued after all, a trip she took without telling Renko first. She could get it in her head that Renko might not need her around, typical young adult angst, or try another solo investigation and remain in the past as Yukari as a kind of escapism.

>>47139851
Did Renko really save her?

Based on this popular fan theory about Hearn and Yukari would that mean that Mike o'HEARN is related to touhou? Is he Yukari Yakumo and Merry at the same time?

>>47052625
So we just need to worship him and everything will solve itself?

>>47140306
Clearly not, since Yukari is in dire need of saving herself.

>>47142616
True, in that department Renko needs some saving herself, but I mean in TJD. To me it seemed more like Renko just went out looking for Merry but she was never in any danger.

>>47140457
>Lafcadio Hearn became naturalized as Yakumo Koizumi after getting married and adopting his wife's name
>When asked about Yukari and Maribel's connection, Zun only brings up Lafcadio Hearn's existence but doesn't expound on what that really means in the context of Touhou
>Meaning it may not be a direct connection where Hearn becomes Yakumo but that Yukari becomes a Hearn and takes that name from someone
Anon, you might be onto something here...

>>47148483
So watch out for any dudes with a last name Hearn coming to steal our wife?

>>47148684
I mean, I was going to go out, legally change my surname, and wait it out until she pops up but I guess that works too.

>>47112105
>>47116173
Wait what? I thought they were purple, fanon betrayed me...

>>47155750
They are blue on the cover of GFC, but that cover looks kind of weird so you could come to the conclusion that they were actually meant to be purple.