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the fanbase somehow managed to be dumber than sonic's

>>4611470

>>4611470

Seriously. Dumbist fanbase yet.

Oh great, yet another bitching thread.

>>4611470
At least they aren't furfags.

>>4611470
Well most Umineko fans like Touhou, so yeah of course they're going to be dumber than Sonic's fans

>>4611470

>>4611470
I don't think that's even possible.

>>4611470
>>4611478
>>4611485

>>4611470

>>4611470
No.

>>4611479
>Bitching thread
>Let's talk about we love about Umineko
What?

>>4611506
I never thought a picture could sum up Sonic's fanbase so well.

>>4611510
If you start a thread with "Let's talk about what's good and bad about Umineko!" on /jp/, little more will come of it other than a flood of "BAWW RYUKISHI IS A SHITTY WRITER ANYONE WHO LIKES UMINEKO IS RETARDED BAWWWW"

>>4611538
Why do you do this to yourself, /jp/?

>>4611547
>I HATE WHEN THEY CRITICIZE MY FAVORITE WRITER BAAAW

>>4611547
It's true. Story's not even done yet and people are just overreacting.

>>4611564
Are you Frustrated?

>>4611506
oh god why

>>4611564
Not really. I have plenty of criticism for Ryukishi myself, but /jp/ is just ridiculous. Most people don't even know WHY they think Umineko is bad; they just want to jump on the ~cool~ hate bandwagon so they can look like they have "good taste." Either that, or they're just pissed because Umineko is a different genre than they want it to be. Which is fine, but that isn't automatically bad writing.

>>4611548
/jp/ loves to hate.

What I like the most is the soundtrack.

What I dislike the most, and I don't count thing like fanbase that doesn't have much to do with the game itself, is that the game feel like it's "full of itself" yet it doesn't really deliver.

Basically it tries too hard for too little.
There is a lots of noises for too little shits actually happening.
There were 6 games with all of them combined being longer than any VNs translated in english yet it doesn't feel like the story expanded too much.

I can understand what R07 is trying to tell with Umineko thematically, but it really doesn't work because he dragged the delivery too much.

I like the music, characters, and ridiculous scenes of badassery the most.

I dislike the people that take it too seriously. It's pretty much just a book, nothing to shit your pants over. Just sit back and read it, and then bawww/rage/rejoice/listen to the music during R07's moments of complete incompetence.

I'm personally of the opinion Umineko is somewhat lacking because of it's incomprehensible plot.

The best parts of Umineko are when Beatrice is fucking around. If the entire series was just that it'd be hilarious and very entertaining.

I love the music, characters, plot, debates, etc.

I hate....nothing. Except the fanbase.

I like Beato's cow tits.

Love: It occasionally has great moments (mostly in EP 3 and 4), some of the music is good.

Hate: Long winded logic 101 explanations, "logic fights" suck, powerlevel magic fights suck, tries too hard to be awesome, characters and their backstories aren't very compelling, pointless new characters are introduced every episode, convoluted storytelling.

>>4611633
I read "what I disliked the most was the soundtrack" Was about to yell troll.

I don't know so much about the "full of itself" though. But it really feels like it's taking too long now, specially during ep 6 that was mainly fake clues and character development and all you want is a bit of mistery. And don't yell "MISTERYFAG" I like the magic scenes too, but one game full of them? C'mon.

I like the characters, music, premise, themes, over-the-topness, and, yes, even most of the romance.

My biggest problem lies in the narrative. It can be really ham-handed at times and almost embarrassing to read. His writing is also pretty repetitive and he mentions the same things over and over and over and over again until he's sure everyone gets the point.

I like the characters, music, tits, lolis, power levels, magic fights, bawww moments, and Mammon.

I dislike how lame Sorcerer-Battler was in EP6. I mean, fuck, I was expecting a detached, cold badass, not...whatever it is that we ended up getting.

>>4611696
WITHOUT LOVE IT CANNOT BE SEEN

WITHOUT LOVE IT CANNOT BE SEEN

WITHOUT LOVE IT CANNOT BE SEEN

WITHOUT LOVE IT MUST BE DEEEEN

Code Geass the VN

>>4611705
>I was expecting a detached, cold badass'
DERP

>>4611685
Mystery.

And unfortunately, I think he's used up all his mystery ideas for this story during the first 4 episodes. Any new mysteries should really only be used to solve the original ones.

>>4611716
This, kind of.

Code Geass was pretty good if you stopped being serious about it and just went along for the ride. That ride ended up being a trainwreck, of course, but that didn't make it any less entertaining.

>>4611705
>I was expecting a detached, cold badass

You sure we're talking about the same character here?

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

WITCHEEEES

BAAAAAWWWWWWWWWW

>>4611711
Well, I don't mind that part so much, especially because the fandom really needs it.

I was pissed over the Ange and Featherine scenes in EP6, though. That amounted to at least an hour of Ryukishi breaking down the themes of the story and explaining stuff that anyone with half a brain should have figured out by now. It felt almost demeaning.

Like : Music, episode 3 as a whole.

Dislike : Pretty weak cast as whole, only character who feel strong characterization-wise is Beatrice.
Convulsed storyline, repetitive writing that feel far too amateurish at time.

Also I would really hate it if the one plot device that was used to create all these mysteries is really the DID thing, seriously dumbest plot device ever.

>>4611716
pretty much. Enormous amount of characters, new ones showing up every game and majority of them do little to nothing when contributing to the plot.

Seriously, who really gives two shits about Hideyoshi. Most useless character.

I like: Most characters, music, epic fights, Ange x Mammon, Bernkastel

I hate: AuAu design, Kanon, Golden Truth (I hope is not spammed in EP7 or 8)

>>4611716
Umineko will never be as bad as Code Geass. That doesn't take much, though.

>>4611755
....

>>4611766
you mad?

>>4611765
It already is.
Actually if that one theory that is the most popular now is proven in episode 7, then I will deem it dumber than Code Geass.

>>4611774
Quite tha' contrary!

I never liked the character designs or the clothing.
There's too many characters.
In Higurashi I felt the answer arcs were needlessly long. Umineko is also starting to get needlessly long. It was a cool concept and the mystery is enthralling; now just give the brixshitting conclusion and wrap it up strong. Why is it still going?
Basically as others have said, it carries on too much for too little reward. And "the Code Geass of VN", I lol'd. Sort of true.

>>4611780
which theory.

Shkannon, Shkannontrice, Nanjo is his granddaughter, Moon-chan, Erika doesn't exist or?

>>4611750
After all his talk about trust between author and reader, I'm going to be pissed if red truth specifically saying "this person is dead" simply meant "ohoh they killed off their persona." Even then, as pissed as I would be, I could at least accept that more than mixing in some DID in there.

I'm expecting a convoluted solution, no doubt. But DID meido is not something I will accept as a solution. Any other solution, if he can pull it off well, I will at least applaud him for.

>>4611763
You have no soul.

Love: The music, the characters, character development and some of the twist

Hate: TOO MANY CHARACTERS.

>>4611790
ShKanontrice.
It's the most popular given 2ch.

>>4611813
Completely agreed. DID Meido is just as bad as brain parasites, especially with the way its presented. Its not a solvable solution, its just stupid.

I hate everything.

Honestly, I like the music, pairings and porn.

I'm just waiting for episode 7.
The next troll ought to be a good one.

>>4611789
He decided to make two separate arcs, when really it should be only 4 mystery arcs and conclusion, I agree. Although I do understand he also wants to give people time to try and solve it, it's still a bit much. Maybe a hint episode between the 4 mysteries and the conclusion.

>>4611790
Not the same guy, but I'd have to be really convinced to accept ShKanon. The other theories (besides a few parts of Moon-chan, but not as a whole) would definitely push it past Code Geass levels.

I used to like that the ending would be bittersweet.

But now I'm sure that Ryukishi will fuck it up.

>>4611780
But Code Geass wasn't just bad because of the plot. It was bad because it had zero respect for its characters. See: what happened to Euphemia.

Ryukishi, at the very least, respects his characters a lot.

>>4611912
If he respected them, we would have Kyrie and Rudolf's backstory.

Worst cast scenario is something like this:

Shkanontrice is true, she did it for love.
There really is only one Rokkenjima, everyone died.
Ryukushi tries to play it off as HEY LOOK NOW JESSICA CAN BE WITH KANON, GEORGE CAN BE WITH SHANNON, AND BATTLER CAN BE WITH BEATRICE, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL FUCKING DEAD.
Juuza is Battler, Ange reunites with him.

I mean, god, that ending just leaves a bad taste on my tongue.

>>4611918
That isn't really what I meant by "respect."

>>4611918
I bet we'll get it in EP 7, since they still need to resolve the entire Asumu thing. Unless Ryukishi is going to be a major faggot and not give Kyrie her own arc, like all the other milfs did (Natsuhi got 2)

>>4611937
>BATTLER ... FUCKING DEAD
>Juuza is Battler
So, Juuza is a zombie?

>>4611765
This. I doubt Umineko will be ever like the magnificient trainwreck that is Code GEass.

Personally I don't think he respects his characters when all of them can't fucking realize that the maid is crossdressing.

>>4611952
Meta-Battler, I meant.

>>4611912
What are you talking about, Euphemia is ok.

SHE IS SHUT UP.

Ryukishi will just deny the most popular theory and prove the most obscure theory.

>>4611965
Telling ya bro, the goddamn Moon-chan knows.
Yall niggas going to be trolled!

I dislike that I don't know if I like or dislike the current speculated endings.

Hobo end? Amnesia end? Jessikanon happy end?

>>4611965
Not what I meant either.

Here. Let me break it down for you. Ryukishi disrepecting his characters would be him turning around in the end and saying, "Hey guys, all the characterization I've shown you for this character up until now is fake!" and turning their development into nothing, essentially treating them as nothing more than a plot device. Which he could still do at this point, but I don't think he will.

>>4611946
Kyrie "arc" was Episode 4.

It's probably because giving that backstory probably gives away everything. I mean, Rudolf makes it pretty clear that he knows something about what's going on.

>>4611976
So, in ep 4 Battler runs to Beato's portrait and impales himself with her bones?

>>4611965
Only Kanon.
And Jessica.

>>4611983
That's what he is going to do with the meta-world, you'll see.

>>4611984
EP 4 was hardly a Kyrie arc - it was Ange and Maria's arc. With Kyrie we only got a perspective on her life before Rudolf from her clearly bias sister.

I don't like that the meta characters will have gone to waste since they'll all die and Battler won't remember any of them.

>>4611995
No he's not. Why do you think that?

Just because meta world doesn't really exist doesn't mean the characterization of the fantasy characters has suddenly changed or been turned to nothing.

That's like saying Tidus from FFX never had any characterization because he was never real in the first place. It's just wrong.

>>4612017
;_;

it's even worse when you realize how shitty the human characters are when compared to the meta.

>>4611946
But Asumu is Hachijou Touya.

Love: Everything
Hate: Everything

>>4612029
which is why need a Rudolf-Kyrie-Asumu arc

UMINEKO: STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.

>>4612022
Or, to reference the anime Sola, like saying that the characterization of the main character doesn't matter because he died a long time ago and the person who we thought the MC was was actually a paper construct given life through a nameless spirit from some otherworldly plane.

>>4612047
We need an ark that includes Rudolf's point of view, not Kyrie's.

But I get the feeling that I'm going to end up hating him when I know the truth ;_;

>>4612017
>>4612027
These, man.

Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo don't compare to Ronove, Lia and Gaap.

>>4612056

>>4612056
Is that supposed to be bad?

>>4612066
hating rudolf is impossible, no matter what crappy things hes done, especially to Kyrie and Asumu.

fuck even if he ends up being the culprit (which I doubt) I'll still think he's awesome.

>>4612071
But Genji is delicious

>>4612099
Rudolf is too dumb to be the culprit.

But I think I can hate him, specially after the thanksgiving day tip where it was implied that he was cheating on Kyrie, AGAIN.

>>4612114
Players gonna play.

>>4612114
But he's Jack Bauer. How can you hate Jack Bauer?

>>4612127

>>4612114
I'm sure he was just playing around - he clearly knows that if he sleeps with another woman Kyrie will murder him (hence thinking the knife was a message from her)

>>4612014
It's Kyrie's arc in the same manner as Episode 2 is Rosa's: she survives the longest and plays a large role during the murders (jail break, phone calls, etc). Remember, Episode 2 didn't particularly focus on Rosa or her back story, but it's still considered her "arc".

Still, I do agree with what you are trying to say

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xci4LXaYTh0

Umineko SIMS

>>4612017
You now realize that Ronove isn't real in the umineko universe.

;_;

>>4612099
Forget an arc, Rudolf needs a spinoff.

It would involve his office hijinks, sexy adventures, an occasional Phoenix Wright moment and some d'awww family stuff.

>>4612153
Sure he is

>>4612157
I'm very okay with this.

too bad the thought of Ryukishi drawing porn scares me.

>>4612157
So, Seinfield?

>>4612166
Exactly.

But with Rudolf and possibly Kinzo.

Why the fuck hasn't anyone made any Rudolf Bauer related screenshots yet with the screenshot generator.

>>4612159
He's nonexistent, Jim.

>>4612144

>>4612176
Because you can't really do much besides doing a screenshot with Rudolf saying ORE WA JAKKU BAWA?

>>4612176

>>4612157
>>4612166
>>4612170
FUND IT

I love Beato. I hate that she's dead ;_;

>>4612157
No one would watch it or read it becauseit would be slice of life with no moeshit.

>>4612223
Dammit, why couldn't she have stayed dead?

>>4611664
>The best parts of Umineko are when Beatrice is fucking around. If the entire series was just that it'd be hilarious and very entertaining.
This.

>>4612202
Seconding the funds.

/r/ing the height chart, even if it's DEEN.

>>4612240
But, she is. Forever.

>>4612337
But Moetrice is there, and she's downloading memories.

Add in some Kinzo rape and fast forward a few centuries and you're good to go.

>>4612350
Fuck that shit, I'll rape her myself.

>>4612361
Can't rape the willing.

>>4612163
Naked Satoko comes to mind.

... Oh god make it stop.

>>4612027

Don't worry, they'll still be alive in his heart.

And with that, Umineko will end on a note that's completely unfulfilling and unsatisfying.

>>4612419
How can they be alive in his heart if he doesn't fucking remember them?

>>4612350
>>4612337
ITT people that didn't play episode six

>>4612373
But it wouldn't be willing.

>>4612471
She'd be hitting this.

It would be willing.

Love: Music, direction, story, and (most) characters.

Hate:

Ryukishi's repetitive writing style. He says things well, but then tends to say them 2x or 3x more than needed.

I don't really have a problem with the size of the Umineko cast, but some characters really are useless / redundant. The stakes would be the biggest example. Mostly interchangeable characters that serve as plot devices in the earlier chapters and kind of get set aside in the later ones to make way for new random characters (the siestas, Gaap, etc.).

But while I do like most of the random characters Ryukishi has come up with, the biggest problem is that they take time away from the real, actually important characters. This is especially bad when some of the characters haven't really gotten any kind of development at all, but then we get scenes where the lolwacky bunnies get walls of text devoted to their zany antics.

While I really liked the big battle scenes is episode 4 when taken on their own, they really didn't contribute anything to the story overall. Also Ange's backstory was too drawn out. It was like Ryukishi was trying to hammer in lots of hints, and then tried to water it down with filler magic battles.

Also, the golden truth: What the fuck?

>>4612518
But the Stakes have symbolic importance.

> the Stakes of Purgatory's relative ages directly correspond to the order of the terraces in 'Purgatorio' as Dante and Virgil ascend towards the meeting with Beatrice (Pride first, then Envy, Wrath, Sloth, Greed, Gluttony, and finally Lust.)

>>4612518
> saying the Stakes are the biggest example of useless characters
> not saying that about the Siestas, who are useless bunnies only good for their sex appeal

>>4612533

Yes, they have symbolic importance. It doesn't mean they need to be made into characters to get it across.

LOVE: Trolling, tits, DEM THIGHS.

HATE: Repetition, incompetency, not being sure of whether Furfur or Zepar has a penis, and repetition.

I've been thinking about all the theories, and I realized something. That if you take fusiontrice minus Shkanon and have it so that Shannon mind raping Kanon instead of Jessica mind raping Shannon, it makes a lot more sense than all the other theories.

>>4612518
> But while I do like most of the random characters Ryukishi has come up with, the biggest problem is that they take time away from the real, actually important characters.
And yet the meta characters are more "real" than the pieces of the gameboard; Rokkenjima cannot exist as a gameboard, and the humans cannot exist as pieces (regardless of the life-or-death status of their originals), if the meta world does not exist. In other words, at this point there are two possibilities: either the Fiction Theory is true, and everybody is already dead and nothing at all matters and Ryukishi07 has trolled everyone, or the meta world exists as a reality separate from that of the normal world, and the events of the meta world thus have an importance of their own, disregarding any importance with regards to the normal world.

Oh yes, and do note that Umineko Episode 1 was not the original/"real" Rokkenjima; it too was simply another gameboard. We still don't actually know what happened on the original Rokkenjima.

>>4612579
But... but... not knowing which one has a penis is the best thing about them!

>>4612593
Using your reasoning, there's a third possibility as well, that branches off from the Fiction Theory: namely, that not even the bad things happened, and the Ushiromiya family is all still alive and well and the entirety of Umineko was just a what-if story written by, say, Keiichi Maebara.

>>4612604
Or that the Ushiromiya family never existed in the first place, and it's all just a story, even the stuff taking place in the real world and in flashbacks.

>>4612596
Yeah, but the inconsistencies in fanart drive me absolutely crazy.

If you're going to give one a cock, keep it the same one. Traps are great, traps that are only occasionally traps and appear to have some sort of shared phantom dick floating around between them are not so great.

>>4612590
I still like the Doubletrice and Tripletrice theories, personally.

>>4612590
Personally, I think Doubletrice (Jessica+Shkanon, Jessica+Shanon, Shanon+Kanon, or Kanon+Jessica) and Tripletrice are most likely.

>>4612612
Schrodinger's Penis.

>>4612518

>But while I do like most of the random characters Ryukishi has come up with, the biggest problem is that they take time away from the real, actually important characters.

>implying that the time that Ryukishi spent writing a quick fun scene for the Siestas would have been replaced by time writing IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FOR IMPORTANT CHARACTERS had he not written it

lolwut

This isn't a goddamn anime series where they have 25 twenty-three minute episodes to work with and no more. They aren't taking time away from anybody, and the only characters that really suffer from a lack of focus and/or being heavily misused are said minor characters. And Rudolf.

I do have to agree that the Stakes were written in a way that they'll probably forever feel like minor characters, though. They all share the same kind of malicious undertone, wear the exact same costume, have each other as too strong of a part of their identity, etc.; as a result, while there are some that I like more than others, they don't each have a strong individual presence.

The Siestas inherently stick out on their own a little more, but they seem to be stuck in a permanent "follow orders and don't do much of anything else" mode. They need to chat with Battler a bit. It seems like they would get along.

>>4612518

>But while I do like most of the random characters Ryukishi has come up with, the biggest problem is that they take time away from the real, actually important characters.

>implying that the time that Ryukishi spent writing a quick fun scene for the Siestas would have been replaced by time writing IMPORTANT CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT FOR IMPORTANT CHARACTERS had he not written it

lolwut

This isn't a goddamn anime series where they have 25 twenty-three minute episodes to work with and no more. They aren't taking time away from anybody, and the only characters that really suffer from a lack of focus and/or being heavily misused are said minor characters. And Rudolf.

I do have to agree that the Stakes were written in a way that they'll probably forever feel like minor characters, though. They all share the same kind of malicious undertone, wear the exact same costume, have each other as too strong of a part of their identity, etc.; as a result, while there are some that I like more than others, they don't each have a strong individual presence.

The Siestas inherently stick out on their own a little more, but they seem to be stuck in a permanent "follow orders and don't do much of anything else" mode. They need to chat with Battler a bit. It seems like they would get along.

>>4612653
410 is a bro.

>>4612634
Sion's penis.

Okay... I don't get it.
Battler's trying to prove that magic doesn't exist, right?
So... why didn't he get that he was a giant dumbass faggot the moment he saw Beatrice use magic? OR MAYBE WHEN HE WAS BEING EATEN AND TORN APART BY GOATMEN?

I don't understand.

>>4612686
anime only watcher detected

>>4612686

How do you reckon he wasn't tripping on Acid or shrooms?

Maybe there was P. Cubensis in that tea.

>>4612686
None of that happened. It was all fake. If Battler (or the DETECTIVE entity) doesn't see it, and it doesn't happen after the start of the game or before the end of the game, it didn't necessarily happen.

>>4612686

For the same reason that he kept forgetting that Beatrice didn't have to use the red truth when she didn't want to, resulting in yet another exposition scene about it.

Inconsistent story telling.

>>4612462
ITT: People that didn't play episode 6.

Since Featherine said Beato would never be revived and all...

>>4612698
...No wonder I stopped watching this anime.
It got boring, made no sense, and I'm too dumb to figure out the stuff that would have made sense if I played the game which wouldn't have been nessicery to play if the anime was made right.

...that was awkwardly worded.

>>4612693
I like this theory.

>>4612708
You can blame Studio DEEN for the quality of the adaptation.

>>4612707
but beato did get revived so you're wrong

>>4612716
Already done.

>>4612717
Beato never in the first place, dipshit. There was OTHER Beatrice that have died, but the one that Battler knows is some girl(the female part is all assumptions, after all Beatrice's form was crafted to satisfy Battler) he hit on as a child.

Love: For a doujinwork, it's an interesting mystery

Hate: The inability to pursue different lines of questioning, which would probably resolve some of the biggest questions in the story.

An Umineko thread without never ending hate?

Is this a miracle?

>>4612847
Are you Bernkastel?

shit story, shit art, shit anime accompanied by it.

"It's a love story blah."
So is every other VN out there, what makes Umineko top even though it's pure shit in all honesty?

Not trolling, these are my thoughts.

>>4612885
Namely, that it is a complete authentic mystery, which, in my opinion, can be solved.

It's one of the best mysteries I have read, and the Fantasy vs Mystery aspect of it is really good.

The characters (the human ones at least) all are very distinct from each other.

The story itself is a very very good premise: a battle of wits to find the killer and a happy ending. The meta world has enough going on to make up for when the game world slacks and vice versa, there's a lot to bounce between.

Some of the murders are ingenious. And the themes are very good.

It's really one of the better stories I've read, and certainly the best story told in a visual novel.

>>4612927
I agree with you on everything but the "best VN story" thing.

It's a story I love a lot, but it is by far not the best.

>>4612717
Not really. The Beato we knew from EP 1-5 can never come back, according to the red text. Battler got Beato's body back, but the personality was completely different. She's described as an egg that can possibly one day become the former Beatrice, after 1000 years or so. At the end of EP 6 she comes back in a way, but still not fully.

>>4612956
Yeah, The Jessica Beatrice is dead, but the Shkanontrice Beatrice is just fine.

>>4612976
oh u

>>4612976

I'd rage so hard if it were true.

Both Shannon and Kanon are horribly dull.

>>4612927
>certainly the best story told in a visual novel.
Oh wow.

>>4612927
Probably not the "best story", but I'd give it the "best and largest puzzle" hands down.

>>4613063
I wouldn't say that it's a very good story, even though I like it a lot. But it's most definitely the best, because all other VNs suck to infinity. Which one deserves the title if not Umineko?

90% of the readers are going to be trolled so hard next episode. It's gonna be awesome.

>>4613169
>implying we don't already know that
>implying that didn't already happen with Higurashi

I like how it abuses the mystery genre and constantly misleads the reader.
I hate how it attracts shippers, fujoshi and /b/tards.

>>4613169
We are so desperate for something that isn't what we were given up to this point, that the only way he can troll us is if he doesn't pull any shit on us from hence forth.

To qualify:

I can't think of a VN with a story that has as many cool themes. And every episode has a way of adding something cool where you get to go back and look at the other episodes and gain something different from them if you're looking for it.

I like solving mysteries and I like all of the characters and the cool situations they can set up. I'm really pleased with the stories development, it's felt very well paced and fun.

The only things that annoy me are when they go way too far with a comedy scene that isn't funny, or keep doing stupid slice of life chats that remind me of FSN cooking scenes.

Other than that, it's been a hell of a ride.

>>4613163
Which ones have you read? I could probably name a dozen with better stories (and others that are better but not story-heavy).

>>4613640
Hmm, name some translated ones with better stories.

>>4613646
I don't really want to derail the thread but I guess it's not like it was good to begin with (I'll still use sage)

Sharin no Kuni, Clannad, Cross Channel, Tsukihime, F/SN, Ever17, Higurashi, Kazoku Keikaku, Sekien no Inganock, Symphonic Rain, EVE, Desire. Not a complete list, just some that come to mind.

I hate Shkanon. Otherwise Umineko is great.

>>4611478
>>4611470
Were can I see some of this ''dumbest fanbase ever'' anyway? I'd like to see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEOy4zEVFoU

I like many things, especially the improvement in narrative since higurashi, if you think umineko repeats things, higurashi basically hammers them so many times it just stops being funny
What I hate: ep6 magic battles, they were cool and all, but I know they were just written just because he didn't want to write, which is understandable because of the circumstances, but still, also some stupid things and some of the ambiguity. Also ep5 theme, as he expalines, he didn't want to reveal that Kinzo is dead till the answer arcs, but taking what you already have and change it a bit is just bad and lack of originality in some aspects
Btw, Featherine's design is probablhy the worst design ever, though it may change in the UMG, is horrible as hell

>>4614568
I find Umineko's writing far more repetitive than Higurashi's (also just worse overall).

>>4614602
hell no, higurashi's writing was horrible and drags too much, also leaves nothing o imagination
half of higurashi's novels is just pointless slice of life and it's just horrible reading through them more than one time

>>4614614
I honestly thought Higurashi had great pacing as it never bored me. And I didn't mind the "slice of life" because I wasn't reading it for the killer lolis.

>>4613804
Sorry man but F/SN and Tsukihime are REALLY shitty tier writing. Specially F/SN which is probably one of the most overrated VNs of the story.

You can argue that there are better VNs than Umineko, better storys and better authors, but seriously its way better than this kind of shit.

And im not even mentioning Clannad.

What's this constant faggotry with "Umineko has bad writing"? Of course it is bad compared to Shakespeare, but this can be said about every single vn.

>Ever17
I'd put it on par with Umineko in terms of mindfucks. Still writing and soundtrack in Umineko is better.

The problem I had with umineko wasn't the writing, it was the pacing. Too bad filler and unnecessary shit about characters I don't care about. I thought some scenes were very well written but I had to sit through 3 dinner dates, a scene where Battler talks to a toilet and Maria throwing a 5 hour long temper tantrum between the good scenes.

>>4614774
Higurashi had a far worse pacing tough and most VNs are filled with useless scenes, you can just pretend they are sex scenes and ctrl.

The main problem with Umineko ''pacing'' is not really the pacing, its because of the episodic nature of the project. While some people love it and to discuss thing for years, some people would rather a single reading through the game and would enjoy it more like that.

Just to mention, EP 1~5 are almost the size of FSN so really, its not THAT big.

>Just to mention, EP 1~5 are almost the size of FSN so really, its not THAT big.
According to this: http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=VN/Eroge_Scriptsizes Umineko 1-5 is half the size of FSN.

>>4614758
Umineko has worse writing than most of the VNs I read (that aren't obvious sex romp).

Love: music, lots and lots of witch trolling, story and mystery.
Hate:
>>4613635
>The only things that annoy me are when they go way too far with a comedy scene that isn't funny, or keep doing stupid slice of life chats that remind me of FSN cooking scenes.
This. I was facepalming half of the 4th ep during those lolgoats-hurr scenes.

>>4614850
ITT: I hate it because its popular

>>4614803
I didn't finish umineko or FSN before getting bored and stopping so I really have no idea how long either is.

>>4614820
Thanks, i remembered it wrong.

>>4614876
Goats are awesome and you should be ashamed.
Come on, some people just take things too seriously...

>>4614768
The writing in Ever17 is better, just that the english translation is full of typos.
And Umineko is really, really weak mindfuck wise.
Ever17 was extremely consistent in its delivery of foreshadowing and clues, it was both subtle enough that most readers wouldn't see things coming but still obvious enough for anyone who tried to see things more deeply.
It had an extraordinary balance, that's why so much people shat bricks.
When was the last time you really shat bricks, not because ZOMG KINZO JUMPED but because the plot really surprised you?
Because you saw several things come together and thought FUCK HOW DIDN'T I SEE THAT.
Only time Umineko did something close to that was Beatrice trolling in episode 3, but it didn't have much to do with the story in itself.

Umineko is a large puzzle but the story in itself is weak.
Characterization is weak, the characters are far too bland even after 6 episodes.
Pacing is shitty because R07 takes the writer for idiots and has to repeat shits ad nauseam.

Writing-wise, I'd take Ever17, Symphonic Rain, Sharin no Kuni any days, they are much better on pretty much every points that are important in writing.

>>4614820
Not if you go by script size, which is a better indication of length than number of lines.

>>4614898
What kind of ridiculous statement is that? I'm not that guy but there are more popular VNs that I like more than Umineko.

>>4614925
Ok, I'll admit I laughed a little at them and other jokes in that part at first, but it was just too much of them.

Umineko is entertaining in its own way, but to call it a masterpiece is asking too much.

I enjoy Ryukishi's style of writing, but I almost feel like cringing whenever a slice-of-life romance scene comes up (e.g. GeorgexShannon bullshit etc.), and, fuck, sometimes the pacing of the writing/narrative goes on and on and on until it gets just plain obnoxious (see: first half of EP4)

Umineko is good enough to make people that dont even like it discussing about it nonstop for months and months.

Umineko is good enough to keep people that dont even like it discussing about it nonstop for months and months.

I love Beatrice, she is my Golden Witchu. I hate everything else.

The only thing I hate about umineko is that I wish it would have top notch writing, like this.

>>4615056

>Then Battler put his penis into her clitoris

>>4615056
Oh god why do I remember this.

>>4615056

AS BEATRICE ROWED HER MAGICAL BOAT DOWN THE CANALS OF VENICE

>>4615079

Oh I have them all you name it.

>>4615089
"I umineko ampersam am a pirate!"

do eeet

>>4615101

>>4615009
This has nothing to do with quality.
Look at /a/, they can't stop discussing shits like Naruto, Bleach or Index.
Does that mean they are good?
No.

>>4615089

wait someone actually made the whole fanfiction in VN format?

>>4615112

Yes.

>>4615115
Jesus christ the free time they must have had...

>>4615105
>implying Touhou, Type-moon and other stuff popular on /jp/ is shit.

>>4615151
I never implied anything like that.
I just stated that popularity doesn't have anything to do with the inherent quality of a product.
And it's true.

You know why Umineko is popular?
It's simple really, it caters to the lowest common denominator.
It's easy to get into, R07's writing style make it easy to follow since he loves to repeat shits over and over again, he just has to make sure even the most retarded reader understood what he was trying to say.

It's simple but has an illusion of complexity, something that is appreciated by retards, that's why you'll see some idiots who will go ZOMG BEST STORY EVER, they feel more intelligent by reading it.

That's why Umineko is popular.

>>4615151
but touhou is shit

>>4615121


I'm sure they did.

>>4615089
He just wanted to be a rapper wtf beato ;_;

>>4615216

>Her boobs went flying off and they hit umineko in the face

ಠ_ಠ

>>4615243
STOP BEING SO TSUNDERE BATTLER

>>4615243

Impossible, Kinzo wouldn't wear underwear

>>4615291
I bet he wears underwear with gold butterlfy motive.

/r/ing chainsaw-wielding Kinzo

>>4615291
He wears underwear, because I would pay money to lick the scat out of his pants.

I like nothing.

I cast necromancy on this thread and make Ryukishi jealous because BT is still dead.