/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Maybe. I think it might be better smaller, though. If you cram too many on there it may confuse newfriends to the point where they will make request threads anyway. It's probably better to use the chart as a spring board for people new to visual novels to develop an interest that will make them able to find other translated visual novels themselves. It might be good, though, to stuff useful visual novel sites somewhere on the chart.

>>4605213

Take Chaos:head out and put in Hotel dusk. If Pheonix Wright can make the list. Hotel dusk should too.

>>4605240
good one. HD is hella better

I'm a pretty big nitro+ fan, but putting Chaos;Head on a list of "good to play" VNs is retarded.

>>4605240
Why Hotel Dusk when Another Code is better?

Why is Cross Channel not on the list?

>>4605258
Never played it

>>4605265
Because it's a list for good VNs bro.

>>4605242

Yeah, smaller is probably better. I'd take the first two columns + FSN and Phantom and make a smaller chart. By the time that someone has tackled all of the short ones and a couple of the "must sees", you probably don't need the chart much anymore.

>>4605273
>good
>Kagetsu Tohya
>Chaos; Head
>Da Capo

>VN
>Symphonic Rain
>Utawarerumono
>Phoenix Wright

Good one.

>>4605298
>>4605294
Yea you're right. Even I can't troll pretending those are good.

>>4605265
Not entry level.

Also, F/SN should be higher. You also might want a category for just the most common that we talk about here.

>>4605265
You can't be recommended Cross Channel. Cross Channel just doesn't work like that. You don't find Cross Channel. Cross Channel finds you, when you're ready.

I liked Snow Sakura (雪桜) quite a lot

why do almost all visual novels look like shit

>>4605273
It has Inganock, Chaos;Head and Utamono in it. Your point is invalid.

>>4605258
>Why Hotel Dusk when Another Code is better?
>Thinks Umineko is the best translated VN.
>Says Evangelion is his favorite anime.
>Other various things that slipped my mind.
You have strange taste Sakura-kun. I used to think you were pretty cool, but it gets harder and harder to keep believing that.

>>4605316
What? Since when have I thought Umineko is the best translated VN? And Another Code is better. It has a more interesting plot, and the main character is a little girl, plus, game overs didn't seem to come out of no where.

It's shit. But since you insist on continuing to post it I'll give some input.

Kikokugai isn't a "must see." I can see how some people might like it but for those who aren't into kung fu shit it's pretty bad.

Replace Da Capo with Suika, the superior Circus title. Chaos;Head is bad and should also be replaced with something else.

Then there are some mediocre games on there that, while not bad, shouldn't be on the list over some of the better translated VNs.

>>4605326
>and the main character is a little girl

I prefer my ex-cop in Hotel Dusk, thank you very much.

The gist of what I think would be a better layout for newbies:

Short, Beginner tier:
Planetarian, True remembrance, Narcissu, Saya no Uta
"The big VN three" tier:
Clannad, FSN, Umineko
Mid-length tier:
Phoenix Wright, YMK, Tsukihime
Long tier:
Higurashi, Ever17, Phantom of Inferno

>>4605356
He was cool. I liked the aesthetic.

>>4605372

I'll see if i can make this one with vndb info and stuff.

Saya should be in the top. Saya fags need to stop deluding themselves and thinking they are reading a heavy visual novel.

>>4605372
Take Phoenix Wright out. It's great, but it's more /v/ material than /jp/. Everything else seems fine.

>>4605372
>Phoenix Wright
Any reason you're including this when there are plenty of actual VNs that could be on there instead?

>>4605408
I'm a high school senior. My English teacher told the class to ponder the nature of evil, since we're reading Heart of Darkness. I burned Saya no Uta on a DVD disk and gave it to my teacher.

>>4605408
The first post newbros make in here always tends to be "sup /jp/ I just finished Saya and/or YMK recommend me more games like it".

So yes, you are right.

Other than the notable omission of Cross Channel (should replace Da Capo if nothing else), I don't have much else to comment on. I don't agree with all the Must Sees, but they're understandable.

>>4605436
You forgot to put Onscripter on the DVD didn't you? Your teacher isn't gonna know what the fuck he's doing.

>>4605426

I was mostly rearranging the OP, and it's not a bad recommendation. Feel free to suggest a replacement, if you think there needs to be one.

>>4605449
How about this really good one *posts picture of anime girls in some generic mysterious/sad pose*

>also good to play
>kagetsu tohya
what.

Phoenix Wright is a vn, SHOULD be played by anyone and I think it deserved the spot . but its a /v/ related, so I dont know.

>>4605449
It's not really a good recommendation because people looking to get into VNs have likely already played it, and they're also looking for VNs not adventure games.

>>4605372
The problem with this is that Clannad and F/sn are both two of the longest translated VNs. Clannad especially. I do think it's a good idea to make a section for the <10 hour VNs though.

>>4605491

The line between VNs and video games is pretty blurry, regardless. I think that games like Phoenix Wright, Heavy Rain, etc. are great because it means that VNs get wider recognition as a storytelling medium over here in the west. I don't think it's a bad thing to recommend them on a VN list.

Man VN's fucking suck

>>4605502

There should definitely be a disclaimer about their length, yeah. I just think that it's worth mentioning that Key, Type-Moon, and 07th Expansion are the most mainstream VN groups, and you'll probably have to get around to reading at least one or two of their stories if you want to get into VNs.

Here's a good one to add to the list OP

>>4605502
I do believe Umineko is longer than F/SN at this point, is it not?

>>4605518

Probably. I doubt it's approaching Clannad length yet, though.

I know some people will argue about how VNs are a game presentation style, and bend the boundaries to include pretty much everything. Still, when I think of the PW/GS series, I think "adventure game" before "visual novel".

>>4605518
I don't think so, but it probably will once all the episodes are out. Fate/stay night took me about 60 hours for a complete playthrough. Clannad is supposedly ~80 hours long.

>>4605518
If you count Episode 6 they're pretty close:
http://www.tsukuru.info/tlwiki/index.php?title=VN/Eroge_Scriptsizes

>>4605526
F/SN is longer than Clannad though.

>>4605553

A lot of people put it around ~100 hours, if you complete absolutely everything. It depends heavily on how fast you read and whether you wait for the voice-overs to finish, of course. If FSN took you ~60 hours, though, ~100 for Clannad is probably about right.

Clannad isn't fully translated though is it?

>>4605575
It has been for a couple years now.

Umineko is better than Phantom now?

ok, heres the updated trimmed list.

>no Utawarerumono

does Phantom deserve a spot when Syphonic Rain is more accessible? DVD format makes me rage alot.

>>4605707

I dunno, it seems like a pretty good segue into nitroplus and more niche VNs. The format does suck, though, yeah.

No Red Shift?

>>4605707
Why Symphonic Rain when there are better VNs? Although I guess that can be said of a lot of the VNs on the list.

>>4605741
My opinion > your opinion, bro.

Edelweiss and Da Capo are some of the most vanilla HERP-A-DERP capturing girls VN you can find. I think they are perfect for beginners.

>>4605741
Symphonic rain is great.

The routes are incredibly emotional.

>>4605723
There's only one translated Nitro+ game that isn't on there.

minor adjustment.

Frankly, I've been making my own recommendation image too, but I go by a different approach.
As you can see, I ignore all that "entry level, good for beginners etc shit" and just go order them in alphabet (Still got these to include in my chart: Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Kana - Little Sister, Kanon, Kikokugai - The Cyber Slayer, Kira Kira, Narcissu, Nocturnal Illusion, Phantom of Inferno, Planetarian, Policenauts, Princess Waltz, Saya no Uta, Seasons of Sakura, Sekien no Inganock -What a Beautiful People-, Sengoku Rance, Sharin no Kuni, Snatcher, Sono Hanabira ni Kuchizuke o, Soul Link, Suika, Symphonic Rain, Tears to Tiara, True Love, True Remembrance, Tsukihime, Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Utawarerumono, Wanko to Kurasou, Words Worth, Yo-Jin-Bo, Yukizakura, Yume Miru Kusuri.

What I plan is, that I'm going to detail on the chart what genres those games about, and then just going to leave there vndb's address, and tell whoever interested in a particular game to use the search there, and decide what to play basing on the information available, because
a) /jp/ never agrees on anything
b)Truthfully, the average people on /jp/ played less than 10-20 games.
c) /jp/ isn't here to babysit anyone, especially those new to the internet
d) everyone knows his/her own taste the most.

I'm lazily updating this anyway, so it won't be done for a while though.

I don't think that there are translated VNs which are a complete waste of time.

>VN recommendation list
>Myst series not mentioned though I'd forgive this if it mentioned the troubles people have of just playing it due to QTs shitty code

This list is terrible

>>4605740
I like Red Shift a lot (more than Narcissu and Planetarian actually), but you have to admit that most people would put the other two over it.

to be honest, I kinda liked OP image more. of course I have to go to the database more often.

>>4605757
I liked it too but I don't think it's the best VN not already on there, or even close.

>>4605808
You might as well just link them to vndb.org and be done with it.

>>4605831
Well, as I said my is by no means complete yet, and probably won't be for a good while.

To be honest, when I was doing that troll chart, it was hell of a lot easier and more fun...

>>4605885
Well, at least people have an idea about those games, since most would be on one page instead of navigating there, and their crucial genres would be on the chart already, so if say... you are looking for horror game, you can already spot a few.
I for one don't like arguing over what should get a place, or what's a better beginner title (just who gives a shit really?), and of course the notorious OPINIONS ("No play X, because it's better than Y"). It's easier to just have everything decent on one page, and let everyone decide it for his/her own.

Tiers always end up in faggotry. Make a list by genre.

>>4605967
That doesn't really work since most vns fit in more genres.

>>4605949
Putting everything decent into an image seems like a huge was of time. You're also missing some.

I wish Phantom wasn't a dvd...that thing is a fucking abomination.

>>4606027
It's not like I have anything else to do anyway.

I might be missing some, probably because I didn't play it, or just didn't like it.

>>4606048
My greatest problem with it was the password system.

>>4606076
Yeah that and the LOOOOOONG wait times just to get the next line. I'm a pretty fast reader and there's no way I can manage that slowly.

>>4605668
The bottom portion of this list is all people should ever really need to be told...

>>4606027
It's not like I have anything else to do anyway.

I don't think I'm missing too much, but of course suggestions would be welcome. If I'm missing anything it's because I didn't play it, or didn't like it much. (Though I planned to include a few I didn't enjoy due to how other people loved it.) That was me:
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4490526#p4491398

What is true remembrance about?

>>4605899
>no sengoku rance


FUCK YOUR SHIT

Remember11 will be on that list too. watch out!

>>4606121

But it isn't a VN.

>>4606098
Oh I see. I remember disagreeing with you on a lot so I guess that explains it. One reason recommendation charts are worthless is the makers always let their own tastes bias them.

>>4606184
Well, feel free saying what else should I include then. As I said earlier, this chart isn't about my own taste (I wouldn't be including say Suika or Inganock then), so I don't think it's biased.

>>4606118
Just play it, it takes like 45min to complete.

Lists are dumb and you all niggas are dumb.

>>4606210
Like I said recommendation charts are terrible so I don't really care. For one example of bias though I'd point out the lack of Kazoku Keikaku. Not that I'm trying to criticize you, bias is only natural, I'm just pointing out why people shouldn't make or rely on these lists.

>>4606327
Oh I forgot it. I'll include Kazokei and One too actually.