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>>45940294
>youkai of Gensokyo
>goddess of Hell

>>45940297
she has a body in gensokyo though

No, Superman is weak to magic

Superman can win if he raeps them no diff

>>45940275
depends, he may defeat a decent amount of them, but i don't think he'd do well against those with tricky abilities like yukari, flandre, koishi and few others

Superman should fuck Maxima.

>>45940275
He is inferior to Yuugi in terms of strength
He is inferior to Aya in terms of speed
He is inferior to Yukari in terms of wit

He would lose.

The Superman arguments are retarded because he can do whatever he wants according to the writer so long as it causes drama and he always wins in the end.

>>45940422
not really, being a superhuman is nothing special in gensokyo, he would be the same tier as byakuren, tenshi, miko and so on

>>45940448
>Tenshi

>>45940448
those three are fucking tough cookies in a land of tough cookies

>>45940489
they still get their asses kicked though, so that answers op's question, no, superman would not defeat the youkai of gensokyo

>>45940275
If Sumireko could (admittedly with Lunarian assistance, but still), anyone can.

>>45940275
Idk, is this silver age superman? Because he can tank the fucking big bang.

>>45940275
>challenge the status quo
Superman doesn't do this. But if it was about preserving the status quo, Superman would be able to defeat anyone and everyone in Gensoko without breaking a sweat.

>>45940294
Enter

superman? more like supperman.

>>45940275
Superman is solar powered. The youkai win if they attack at night.

>>45940448
No, it has nothing to do with him being a superhuman. His superpower is "the writer can say Superman can do whatever the fuck he wants at any point for any reason" which is what makes any power level comparisons retarded.

The dude literally punched time. Not the embodiment of time, not the concept of time, but time itself. I think it even caused a Big Bang event? Point is any conversation about it goes to hell, at least use Goku or someone who can be fallible.

>>45940275
Yukari would drag his sorry ass into her gap void dimension and erase him in there, Flandre would pop him up

>>45940275
he's last minutes before mamizou starts plapping his ass like in that buckethead animation

>>45940275
Can't superman literally obliterate a planet with his laser eyes alone? He would be less bored if he went into the hells and fought the onis there instead of Gensokyo

>>45940592
Since gaining his powers it’s mostly consistent. The issue with Superman is the DC universe. He has to be the strongest hero the true ace when the chips are down so every time someone else in DC does something illogical like the flash being able to punch with the strength of infinity or green lantern constructs overpowering stars they have to find a way to prove super man can tank that or give something out just as strong. His powers have remained relatively consistent he just adjusts to everyone else’s insanity at a super level

>>45940275
Reimu would win. Unless he can drag her out of Gensokyo where she ho longer has divine protection, she will always win.

>>45940801
reimu win in spellcard rules, in a real battle it's different, an outsider with a gun would oneshot her, superman is overkill

>>45940838
I thought it was the other way around where the spellcard rules exist to give others a chance because she'd bring the divine fury down upon them otherwise.

>>45940965
she has spiritual abilities meant to harm youkai, not humans

>>45940838
>an outsider with a gun would oneshot her
if she's catched with her guard down, maybe. 9/10 Reimu would blitz

>>45940983
reimu has beaten the hell out of humans before. if someone's power applies to night-invencible creatures, you can be damn sure it also applies to everything else

>>45940275
probably, but I don't see why he would, he might try to save the humans in the village until he's told the yokai will literally die without them

>>45940983
In this context, it would be used against an alien.

>>45940790
>Since gaining his powers it’s mostly consistent.
We're talking about comic books here. There is basically no consistency. But otherwise yeah, on a meta-level he has to be "the strongest no matter what" which is what makes the debate boring.

>>45941120
that's rather interesting as it could potentially play a toll on superman's heart, would he start feeling compassion for youkai after learning that this is all just a little haven meant from protect them from extinction?

>>45941151
to be fair, it's not like the humans of gensokyo are suffering or in any real danger, they're basically just stuck living in the 14th century

Its not even a competition. Superman could literally obliterate all of Gensokyo just by punching the ground. Marvel and DC have literal Touhou-tier magic in their universes and Superman can and has resisted it before.

>>45941151
You say it like there's some kind of moral dilema here.

A more fair match-up would be the S-Class heroes from the One Punch Man universe, could they defeat the youkai?

>>45940470
Hi secondary

>>45941219
Tatsumaki is a hero who can literally take large chunks of continents and throw them around, so with her yes they can, if she isn't then it becomes more uncertain

Oh yeah, and you obviously got to exclude Blast since he is a reality warper

A big problem already mentioned with some anons is inconsistency, happens in all the works sometimes even in a same scene the strength of a certain material might change without any darm explanation.
And Superman with all the writers he had is pretty much the king of inconsistent power levels, so much that if a yukarifag says that Yukari using boundary manipullation to put him at it's weakest I wouldn't call him out.
Problem is that when fans powerlevel characters they just pick strongest feats and that's it, then haters might point out weakest points and so on. Although generally weakest points tend to get ignored by fans and called non canon and so on. I've seen a wiki of measuring how powerful characters are but never one about how weak they can get.
And in the case of Superman, someone once pointed out how he jobbed against x character which struggled to capture unarmed humans in a different work, thus making him barely above human. But then there are all the works where he is basically like someone using infinite stats cheats and so on.
So maybe powerlevels should be more of an inequation?
In that case superman goes from jobbing to a fairy(weak to magic) to instawin I guess. Or if we take the more realistic approach, the winner is whoever the writer is a bigger fan of.

>>45940312
but is not a youkai

>>45940838
spell card rules were meant to hold her
reimu's greatest power is the ability to float

>>45940275
Old comic characters don't have consistent power levels so it depends on what version of him, Superboy Prime for example punched the universe so hard it permanently shattered into multiple realities. Like others said though he wouldn't either way, his entire thing is being a good guy.

>>45940330
He's not weaker to magic than a regular human being would be, it just affects him the same as it would anyone else. Magic isn't a kryptonite.

>>45941123
Kind of like Reimu, except instead of strength it's fate being in her favor.

>>45940275
This thread is doomed to be ass cancer but a boring answer you wont like is that this wouldnt play out like most think. He would realize that yokai are living beings too and not all of them are bad (like Keine) and he wouldnt even want to kill the bad ones. He'd more than likely think of solution that can keep the yokai alive without using the human village.

How much does he depend on the sun? In theory scarlet mist incident and imperishable night incident could fuck him over

>>45940275
The kind of powers in gensokyo aren't the kind you can just deal with by simply being stronger. Superman is perfectly allowed to be the strongest when we're dealing with things that can erase people and concepts or entrap others in an inescapable plane. Superman probably wouldn't get the faith benefits that the humans in gensokyo get because superman isn't human and is so absurdly powerful that he would fit in as a youkai.

>>45941929
Except he is weaker to it. Plenty of stories where magic either reduces his effectiveness or fucks him up.

This pic really puts Superman's strength into question...

>>45942731
Silver age Supes was the best

>>45940275
Excellent thread OP, it's been too damn long since we've had a proper 2hu powerlevel thread

>>45942817
Agreed. Wouldn't mind seeing fanon 2hu stories in that sort of goofy style. The setting itself doesnt take itself that seriously half the time anyway.

what if Reisen accidentally ended up at the Kent farm?

>>45943192
Kaguya is a better choice. Since she funnily has a similar story to superman. She finds herself on earth as a baby and is raised by two low class commoners. She also has superhuman strength and super powers. The Princess of Steel.

>>45943268
yeah but Kaguya was born like thousands of year before wasn't she

>>45943287
I guess. Hmm idk who's to say she couldnt return to earth as a babby again. Or in this alternate version you could just say that the alien only came a lot later than she did in her story.

>>45943306
My idea for Reisen was she ended up there by accident after trying to escape the moon, like as an adult

>>45943319
Hmmm. Ok idk what would happen. I guess she would seek refuge there from the moon and work on the farm with the Kents? Maybe use her crazy eyes to fuck with predators/pests that usually plague farms.

>>45942731
>>45942902
>or I was 100 pounds ago!
lmao this is hilarious. It indeed has a nice level of wackyness.
>>45942515
It's funny to consider the red mist since under a "red sun" his powers went poof but I think he skipped at least once the red sun and no sun problems because too many writers over many years and so on.
But I think he never had any problems with moonlight. I heard that moonlight had redder light(including infrared light) irl but I don't know if its ever brought up in superman.

>>45940377
Wrong, he could launch Yuugi and Aya into the Sun.

Now Yukari that's the 2hu not even Superman could defeat, the second the fight starts is the second Yukari gaps him into a planet made of Kryptonite or something.

>>45945700
Anon, Yukari is THE jobberhu. She'd instantly job.

>>45945700
Or gap kryptonite up his ass. Or change the boundary of sunlight absorption or something. She could also do picrel.

>>45940275
NO, his two weaknesses are kryptonite and magic.

>>45945700
I wouldn't count out Yuugi just yet. Remember, Superman literally got his ass killed by a big stone brute.

>>45945809
>Or gap kryptonite up his ass.
Then Suika and Shimmy could also defeat him by turning small, getting inside his ass then turning into giants while inside.

>>45946170
Superman's ass would crush them alive. Dude can punch entire landmasses apart once he gets going.

>>45940560
Do Youkai have dna?

>>45940560
Not so fast.

Superman solos

some versions of supes aren't good against "magic" depends if youkai are "magic" or not

Batman could beat all the youkai, given enough prep time of course

>>45945700
wouldn't work anon
superman is almost flash levels of fast
he'd speedblitz her before she could even activate her ability

>>45949165
You assume superman to go in guns blazing

>>45949319
if yukari knows what Kryptonite is like that anon was suggesting then yes

>>45942465
a slice of life doujin series with superman hanging with the inhabitants of gensokyo would honestly be a fun fish out of water story if he was kept to his usual, hopeful nice guy interpretation
>>45942902
one of these days I'll get a drawfag to recreate this with touhou characters

>>45949165
How fast is Aya compared to Superman or Flash?

>>45949442
Aya sadly doesn't even compare to superman or flash if she can't go from earth to mars in seconds (superman) or run so fast you can go forward or backwards in time (flash)

>>45949165
Superman is generally the kinda guy to let his enemies attack him first, because he shows off that he's super and generally gets by off the fear factor of his opponents not doing anything to him, all the yukari would have to do is mid chat with the guy gap themselves to kryptonite. Superman has no reason to believe these supernaturals would know about the substance as his weakness let alone immediately teleport him straight too it. Yukari would know all about superman because barrier, monitoring outside world blah blah. Probably has a gap space herself filled with kryptonite she stole from Lex luthor just as a contingency plan for the slim possibility superman managed to even notice and bypass the hakurei barrier.

>>45942731
>>45942902
>>45940562
Unironic peak of the thread

>>45940275
I haven't kept up with Touhou lore in like 12 years but originally Youkai could only be dealt with using spiritual or magical means and physical attacks would only cause them to regenerate so no, he wouldn't be able to.

>>45952568
Even if Supes can't permanently kill those youkai, throwing them to outer space into a star, black hole, or shit like that will definitely neutralize them

>>45949008
Unironically true. Youkai have a metric fuckton of easily exploitable weaknesses. Beating oni (including Remilia and Flandre) could be as easy as making a gun that shoots beans for example.

>>45949442
Alas even if you take into account slower characters (like the Imperishable Night protagonists) casually traveling fast enough to leave an infinite hallway made to trap them in or Remilia flying around the entire moon to catch Yorihime off guard, Aya still probably isnt as fast as Flash. At least the mainline one. There are probably slower alternate versions of the same character who would be slower than she is.
>>45952905
>Black holes
Suika pulled black holes out of her ass in the fighting games and other characters could still compete. Black holes would still count as physical and not magical damage anyway.

>>45953098
>Suika pulled black holes out of her ass in the fighting games and other characters could still compete
That's a gameplay mechanic anon, you don't genuinely believe people in Gensokyo drop P and point item after being hit right?

>>45940275
The answer depends on which superman we're talking about. Either way Gensokyo characters are a bunch of overhyped cunts jut look at Yukari.

Do you guys even read the official print material or do you just base your opinions on fanon and hype?

>>45953563
Normally the ''its gameplay so it doesnt count!'' thing is legitimate but you have to remember that Touhou Project is fundamentally IS a game series. It isn't just fumos or printworks or porn or whatever. The story is told through the games and the gameplay mechanics. And dont misconstrue what I said. There's a big difference between a character demonstrating an ability that they use in combat (what Suika did) vs people shitting out P.

>>45952568
>Youkai could only be dealt with using spiritual or magical means and physical attacks would only cause them to regenerate so no
IIRC youkai are resistant to physical attacks but I don't recall them ever being outright immune to them. Superman is probably at the level of strength where he can just power through this.

>>45953641
>but you have to remember that Touhou Project is fundamentally IS a game series
>The story is told through the games and the gameplay mechanics.
Sure, but basing the durability of characters based on fighting game's gameplay is stupid, that's like saying Ryu is invulnerable to fire because he's not burning to death after Ken throwing his fire Hadouken to his face
Beside it's pretty obvious that Suika's black hole isn't even close to the real deal, or else the entire place would've been sucked in too

>>45953785
>probably
My negro he's definitely at that strength
Supes has shattered time and reality with punches before

>>45953910
Lmao, stupid. Supermans power is basically the writers whims. If superman loses its because the writer of whatever story or scenario said so internal story logic be damned.

>>45940275
Here is a short list of people and things who could solo Gensokyo:
>Solid Snake. Kirby. A single Sternguard Space Marine. Your average SMT protagonist (Even without demons). Geralt of Rivia. Almost every servant in Fate. Yuugi Moto. Shy. Tao Pai Pai. Zhang Liao(As in the real guy). Any of the Belmont's. Havel the Rock. Caleb. Rayman. Sam and Max. The One Ring. Finn the Human.

So, yeah, Superman would walk over Gensokyo even considering his weakness to magic. Anybody that thinks otherwise doesn't realize CDS shows most Youkai to be full of shit. Gensokyo's power level is a joke.

>>45954103
>Finn the Human
Finn in Gensokyo... now that's a story I'd like to read

>>45954121
Gensokyo could totally exist in the Adventure Time universe, frankly.

>>45940275
I thought one of Superman's big weakness -- aside from kryptonite -- was that he couldn't deal with magic.

>>45953831
>Sure, but basing the durability of characters based on fighting game's gameplay is stupid
Not so stupid when they even show similar durability in print works. Like when they actually fight.
>that's like saying Ryu is invulnerable to fire because he's not burning to death after Ken throwing his fire Hadouken to his face
I dont think you understand what im getting at. You may as well tell me that Ken cant hadouken because its unrealistic and its too ''video gamey'. That's what you're essentially saying for Suika, despite her clearly demonstrating an ability thats in line with her powers anyway which is manipulating density. Learn to suspend your disbelief. This is a fictional story full of fantastical characters who do fantastical things.
>Beside it's pretty obvious that Suika's black hole isn't even close to the real deal, or else the entire place would've been sucked in too
The reason why this happens is the same reason Superman or any similar character doesnt obliterate half of America every time he does a semi serious punch or the reason why Superman doesn't tear off buildings and instantly kill people every time he runs or flies past them at a high speed. It's just a thing that happens for narrative reasons. He's as powerful x but is generally portrayed as being as powerful as y so he doesn't wind up accidentally killing people or giving the writers a headache. This applies to other fictional characters too. If you ignore this then you may as well also tell me that Superman is weak because the environment isn't completely atomized every time he seriously fights or doesn't hold back despite what is said or shown about him. For Suika,the game devs probably didnt want to animate chunks of the level/background being sucked in or something but still wanted to give her a cool ability that is in line with her powers. Or maybe Gensokyo behaves weirdly around stuff like black holes because its literally a separate dimensional space that breaks the laws of physics. But the main point is, for the love of god suspend your disbelief.

>>45953098
>For Suika,the game devs probably didnt want to animate chunks of the level/background being sucked in or something but still wanted to give her a cool ability that is in line with her powers.
This all assumes whatever Suika is creating has the same mass and gravity as an actual black hole, and given that she's never portrayed to be a solar-system destroying threat I heavily doubt this is the case. IIRC wasn't it even mentioned once that youkai couldn't survive on the real moon (rather than the lunarian's version) because there is no air? Even if their bodies were invulnerable to physical damage, supes could probably strangle them like Heracles and the Nemean Lion.

>>45954700
>For Suika,the game devs probably didnt want to animate chunks of the level/background being sucked in or something but still wanted to give her a cool ability that is in line with her powers.
This all assumes whatever Suika is creating has the same mass and gravity as an actual black hole, and given that she's never portrayed to be a solar-system destroying threat I heavily doubt this is the case. IIRC wasn't it even mentioned once that youkai couldn't survive on the real moon (rather than the lunarian's version) because there is no air? Even if their bodies were invulnerable to physical damage, supes could probably strangle them like Heracles and the Nemean Lion.

>>45940275
To be honest anyone with country-level AP could solo youkai by razing the village
>>45954103
You forgot to include Subaru Natsuki, he'd eventually figure out how things work and what to do.

>>45940983
Have you ever seen people who can cut a melon by throwing playing cards? That's Reimu, except she's a million times more powerful and can throw 1000 cards in rapid succession. In subterranean animism she shatters a gigantic boulder using nothing but her amulets, and in the pc-98 games she crushes Rika's secret battle mech with the same technique.

Superman would put up a good fight, and might still win a purely physical contest, but Reimu would outlast him with her superior magical abilities.

>>45954103
You know, at the risk of potentially going off topic here in this thread, I am curious as to how or why some of these names on the list could seriously solo Gensokyo. Some I can honestly believe like Kirby or an SMT protag but others less so. Do you think you could count Doomguy/Doomslayer among their ranks too?

>>45956475
>I am curious as to how or why some of these names on the list could seriously solo Gensokyo.
Which ones?

>Do you think you could count Doomguy/Doomslayer among their ranks too?
Yes, though that is assuming he can still use his chainsaw to magically create more ammo.

>>45953831
>like saying Ryu is invulnerable to fire because he's not burning to death after Ken throwing his fire Hadouken to his face
I think the word your seeking is resistant, not invulnerable since Ryu takes damage from the hit.
I also could rant about how just a getting "hitted" by a flame isn't that bad, but I doubt they ever mention the specifics of a fire hadouken nor can I blame gamedevs for making not making realistic fire since it would suck.
>>45954939
> never portrayed to be a solar-system destroying threat
Not a big blackhole fan so I might be spitting bs but a black hole doesn't need to have more mass than the sun, so an Earth-mass black hole would still be possible, but it would probably have less than a one foot diameter. In Suika's case the black holes aren't even able to survive so It wouldn't even require to survive Hawking radiation decay, but that might have some messed up side effects that would free too much energy and kill everyone involved.
That being said I don't think that Suika uses black holes, maybe the mystified ideas of black holes helps her to cause such an effect but imo I would write it as her using the power to gather things(which allows density manipulation) to compress the air around similar and attracts other characters like that.
>>45956475
imo this thread is more fun if you get really specific like that or if people joke around like >>45942731
I mean technically you could also say bs like fairies of light with a knife, Koishi or Sakuya defeating characters like Goku because if your power needs activation and isn't automatic flesh is really soft compared to steel.
Shit like stealth, charisma and intelligence/craftiness being more important opens a lot of possibilities as opposed to le classic 1vs1 crossover fair fight people seem to like.

>>45954103
>Rayman

>>45957266
Solid Snake. Havel the Rock. Caleb (from Blood I presume?).
And yeah I guess he could nab ammo from sawing youkais or he can always find some lying conveniently on the ground. Along with collectible figures of his enemies.

>>45957402
Yeah I know that you mean. Can’t get enough of getting doom crossing over with touhou myself. You just know Doomguy would be a sucker for rabbits like Reisen as one joke.

>>45954939
>and given that she's never portrayed to be a solar-system destroying threat I heavily doubt this is the case.
Well good news...she is portrayed as such. Play the games. She throws around black holes like they're bowling balls. Besides that having control of or embodying conceptual stuff that underlies reality (which is like over half the cast lol) is far more impressive than anything that's solar-system tier or whatever.
>IIRC wasn't it even mentioned once that youkai couldn't survive on the real moon (rather than the lunarian's version) because there is no air? Even if their bodies were invulnerable to physical damage, supes could probably strangle them like Heracles and the Nemean Lion.
They aren't even really tangible or biological beings to begin with so this doesn't apply. They're more akin to spirits or magical/energy beings.
>>45955954
>To be honest anyone with country-level AP could solo youkai by razing the village
See Mamizou or any yokai who lives well outside Gensokyo and are just fine without the village. And even if this were somehow a concern Keine can just hide it or it can be protected. Also the villagers themselves are capable yokai exterminators/magic users if you go by older lore, so its not like they're weak. Villagers could also just be brought back to life. Death is kind of a joke in touhou project anyway.
>>45957402
Im pretty sure blackholes do need to have more mass than the sun or any given star (unless its a huge star) to form.
>That being said I don't think that Suika uses black holes, maybe the mystified ideas of black holes helps her to cause such an effect but imo I would write it as her using the power to gather things(which allows density manipulation) to compress the air around similar and attracts other characters like that.
This is speculation. Sound speculation but still speculation imo. You even gave a legitimate way for her to create a black hole by manipulating density using magic. Can't see why she couldn't do it because if you're dealing with magic then you're potentially dealing with infinities in terms of magnitude or power. Like with Kaguya or certain characters overcoming whatever infinity she throws at them.

>>45962606
>Well good news...she is portrayed as such. Play the games. She throws around black holes like they're bowling balls.
This is circular reasoning. You're saying her "black holes" are just like real black holes because she's portrayed to be solar-system level and she's solar-system level because... she can create something we aren't even certain is like an actual black hole?
>They aren't even really tangible or biological beings to begin with so this doesn't apply.
One of Yukari's shikigami was killed by Toyohime sending it to the airless moon so this doesn't seem entirely true. The moon rabbits were also btfod by like three astronauts so youkai don't seem to be immune to anything non-magical either (not to mention they're only ever stated to be resistant to physical attacks as far as I can recall). Supes takes this.

>>45962606
>Im pretty sure black holes do need to have more mass than the sun or any given star (unless its a huge star) to form.
Lightest black hole ever found seems to have around 3 times the mass of the solar system but apparently you can have black holes with the mass of the moon and they still would take a lot to die out. But it seems that it's not very clear how they exactly work and so on... But theoretically they can come in a lot of masses
Using as ref her normal black hole attack in IaMP(2 to 3 seconds aprox) and this site https://www.vttoth.com/CMS/physics-notes/311-hawking-radiation-calculator
the mass of the black hole would be 350339 to 401039kg. Impressive mass but still not close to the moon (7.348 × 10²² kg)
My main speculation point btw was that the black holes themself don't do damage but I guess that depending how you count what as just gameplay and what not a lot results may vary a lot.
>>45964061
> she can create something we aren't even certain is like an actual black hole?
Not disagreeing, but if we get into that we might have a problem since stuff works different in fiction, for example space in superman isn't much different from being in an atmosphere, and in jojo's you freeze instead of boiling and so on... The more you think of things the less sense comparing 2universes makes.
>One of Yukari's shikigami was killed by Toyohime sending it to the airless moon so this doesn't seem entirely true.
Reisen two traveled through space and got hit by space debris, implying space travel. In the dam same work.
>The moon rabbits were also btfod by like three astronauts
I thought that past war was the youkai war when I read that. Dunno could also had been some undercover magic NASA operation, but I thought only moonbunnies that liked drama treated it like a war.
Maybe I'm missing some info from LoLK since I still have to unlock all the endings, but if the moon has a barrier similar to Gensokyo I doubt it were just three normal astronauts.

>>45946515
the watch managed to analyze and obtain mechanical/energy-based beings' supposed dna, so it probably wouldn't be an issue.

>>45940275
Not through brute force, given he's weak to magic.
Supes would have to rely on being a role model to inspire humans and maybe fairies to pine for a better state of existence, eroding faith in the current Youkai-dominant system.
He could also detect and save all of Yukari's castaways before they become youkai chow, further depriving the system.

lol

>>45975132
This guy looks strong enough to eat two burritos. In one sitting.

>>45975141
he's definitely stronger than an ant, if an ant was this big

I feel like Aya and Jimmy would be very good friends

>>45975146
hmm hmm hmm

>>45940275
ye

>>45975146
Need this but with Son Biten after Yuuma kills Yachie with a rubber band. ''I'm stronger than a inchling...if an inchling were this big!''

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>>45964061
>Akcshually its not a black hole
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. No need for mental gymnastics to try and explain away that it actually isn't a duck. You also didn't address what I said about strong characters like Superman not having the environmental impact they should have whenever they fight seriously. The mismatch between stated strength/shown strength and what we see most of the time. For example, Frieza should be blowing off large chunks of land whenever he farts given what he did to Planet Vegeta yet when he goes all out against Goku the best you get is loud noises. And to relate this back to black holes, fictional stories never even get it right half the time. Characters could be right up against a blackhole and not get spaghettified and escape it despite that breaking laws of physics but the author's intent is that it IS a blackhole. Dont know if i explained it well enough.
>>4596727
>One of Yukari's shikigami was killed by Toyohime sending it to the airless moon so this doesn't seem entirely true.
That was a crow from what i remember. Im talking yokai. I really dont like doing this but please refer to this: https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Youkai and even if it were a yokai there are still other yokai who dont obey biology or physical laws like we do. Iirc there's also panels of yokai losing limbs and not caring.
>>45967272
>Using as ref her normal black hole attack in IaMP(2 to 3 seconds aprox) and this site https://www.vttoth.com/CMS/physics-notes/311-hawking-radiation-calculator
the mass of the black hole would be 350339 to 401039kg. Impressive mass but still not close to the moon (7.348 × 10²² kg)
My main speculation point btw was that the black holes themself don't do damage but I guess that depending how you count what as just gameplay and what not a lot results may vary a lot.
Neat website. There are also other calcs. This one is from (and admittedly meme website) but it isnt all bad if you sift through it: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Saikou_The_Lewd_King/Black_but_Holes_with_Suika_Ibuki
>My main speculation point btw was that the black holes themself don't do damage but I guess that depending how you count what as just gameplay and what not a lot results may vary a lot.
I think they do damage in the game. Also ''what is just gameplay'' Touhou Project is a video game series.
>I thought that past war was the youkai war when I read that. Dunno could also had been some undercover magic NASA operation, but I thought only moonbunnies that liked drama treated it like a war.
Maybe I'm missing some info from LoLK since I still have to unlock all the endings, but if the moon has a barrier similar to Gensokyo I doubt it were just three normal astronauts.
He left out the part where all their equipment got destroyed and they never found the lunar capital and had to retreat back to the US. And then Clownpiece mocked their flag. The astronaut meme just isnt funny anymore.

-capeshit OP
-power level argument
name a more dynamic duo

>>45979955
>If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
This ignores that irl black holes also have different gravities depending on their mass - even if you somehow compressed the moon into a black hole, it'd still only have the gravity of the moon. We have no way of knowing exactly how powerful Suika's black hole is because of this, so assuming she's "solar system tier" based on what you think is the author's intent is questionable at best.
>As such they are more vulnerable to faith-based attacks (such as charms, wards, etc.) than to physical injuries and ailments.
This is what the page you linked to says. Nowhere does it state youkai are immune to completely physical injuries. Even if they can survive losing a limb or two, it won't save them from, for example, being atomized by heat vision - they still have a physical aspect to them even if they're primarily spiritual.
>He left out the part where all their equipment got destroyed and they never found the lunar capital and had to retreat back to the US. And then Clownpiece mocked their flag. The astronaut meme just isnt funny anymore.
Even if they never found the Lunar capital they still killed a large amount of moon rabbits while the lunarians only managed to "injure" the Apollo crew, which is pretty embarrassing considering it was just a three nerds. Also, Clownpiece wore the flag to taunt the Lunarians precisely because Americans humiliated them so badly.

>>45979955
>If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
This ignores that irl black holes also have different gravities depending on their mass - even if you somehow compressed the moon into a black hole, it'd still only have the gravity of the moon. We have no way of knowing exactly how powerful Suika's black hole is because of this, so assuming she's "solar system tier" based on what you think is the author's intent is questionable at best.
>As such they are more vulnerable to faith-based attacks (such as charms, wards, etc.) than to physical injuries and ailments.
This is what the page you linked to says. Nowhere does it state youkai are immune to completely physical injuries. Even if they can survive losing a limb or two, it won't save them from, for example, being atomized by heat vision - they still have a physical aspect to them even if they're primarily spiritual.
>He left out the part where all their equipment got destroyed and they never found the lunar capital and had to retreat back to the US. And then Clownpiece mocked their flag. The astronaut meme just isnt funny anymore.
Even if they never found the Lunar capital they still killed a large amount of moon rabbits while the lunarians only managed to "injure" the Apollo crew, which is pretty embarrassing considering it was just three nerds. Also, Clownpiece wore the flag to taunt the Lunarians precisely because Americans humiliated them so badly.

>>45975132

>>45989140
Nuh uh

>>45940275
Red Sun.

What now?

>>45940275
He gets his ass kicked easily in that (((Suicide Squad))) game. So no chance he'll defeat anyone in Gensokyo.

>>46004940
Red Sun over Pseudo Paradise?

>>46004940
RED SUN OVER PARADISE

>>45979955
>This one is from (and admittedly meme website)
I don't even know how they do to calculate the most powerful tiers there, dunno maybe there are authors that really go into throwing mathematical concepts to make a character op as fuck.
Anyways, I guess that going by size it gets indeed impressive numbers, sounds a bit odd since Gensokyo feels more of a characters having hax powers than big areas of destruction. As >>45987027 says I would consider it lunar level at best (which is hilarious considering broken moon and so on)
>I think they do damage in the game. Also ''what is just gameplay''
The normal ones she throws don't, maybe in some story mode attack one does damage. They could also be other types of gravity wells as well.
The gameplay part is tricky honestly, some absurd things should be discarded like for example most videogame characters having infinite long term stamina and no need to sleep because they don't have to gameplay wise.
But In this case what I was saying is that Suika's black holes might not do damage to not make her attack broken but that they could do damage in a shooter or printwork (although iirc she never used her black hole thing outside of fighters)
>>45987027
> Also, Clownpiece wore the flag to taunt the Lunarians precisely because Americans humiliated them so badly.
I think ZUN mentioned that Clownpiece got her clothes after seeing the flag in the moon but not exactly what you're saying, if you can post where it's said I'll appreciate it, since it would shed a bit more light on the lunar war.

>>45948706
>”Time huh? Thanks for the tip?”
Could anyone counter this?

>>45987027
>This is what the page you linked to says. Nowhere does it state youkai are immune to completely physical injuries. Even if they can survive losing a limb or two, it won't save them from, for example, being atomized by heat vision - they still have a physical aspect to them even if they're primarily spiritual.
Ok but read more of the print works/games. The only real way to dispatch a yokai is to use spiritual attacks. That's their weakness. It's the trade off for physical damage not doing shit.
>Even if they never found the Lunar capital they still killed a large amount of moon rabbits while the lunarians only managed to "injure" the Apollo crew, which is pretty embarrassing considering it was just three nerds. Also, Clownpiece wore the flag to taunt the Lunarians precisely because Americans humiliated them so badly.
How did they do it? Before they ran away and fucked up their mission. They didnt bring weapons and the weapons wouldn't even really work well in space and their suits are incredibly restrictive. Not only that they couldn't even FIND the Capital itself. Clownpiece was making fun of the Americans iirc. Or maybe she was mocking both factions.
>>46007182
>Anyways, I guess that going by size it gets indeed impressive numbers, sounds a bit odd since Gensokyo feels more of a characters having hax powers than big areas of destruction. As >>45987027 says I would consider it lunar level at best (which is hilarious considering broken moon and so on)
I know what you mean. ZUN is very skittish when it comes to having his characters actually use their gods given abilities for some stupid reason. But if you look around you'll see instances of characters doing crazy destructive shit after long stretches of time of them doing nothing. Suika destroying the moon alongside the heavens (which are infinite in size) while drunk. Okuu being a living nuke or Marisa's Mini-Hakkero which annihilates anything on screen and was said in some printwork or game to be able to turn a mountain to ash. Given the other shit we see in the story this isnt too crazy.
>But In this case what I was saying is that Suika's black holes might not do damage to not make her attack broken but that they could do damage in a shooter or printwork (although iirc she never used her black hole thing outside of fighters)
Oh ok. Yes that does make sense. It's pretty stupid that the devs are scared of broken abilities, considering what characters like her can do. They should have taken a more old school approach and have every character be broken in one way or another so it balances out. Of course if there's like one or two stand out abilities that make playing the game hell then modify those ones but dont remove them.

>>46013521
Since power rings are basically le deux ex machina materialized, eh dunno.
If blocking the light negates the effect or something in which case Rumia would be a hard counter. But not sure if anything like that ever happened in any comic.
>”Time huh? Thanks for the tip?”
Not sure when Green Lantern did time manip or whatever but I wonder if Kaguya could counter such powers, but ZUN will never explore powers with a Sakuya vs Kaguya fight or anything.
There's also the typical answer of anyone who can kill x character before using hax but speed tends to be inconsistent as fuck, among other things, idk if there's really any setting with a decent amount of battles with a decent sense of consistency.

he can solo all of gensokyo without breaking a sweat

>>46015409
>characters actually use their gods given abilities for some stupid reason.
It isn't that bad, just like spellcard rules existing imo. Since even irl nukes have been barely used in real warfare and stuff. Like there is little reason to use that degree of power or you can have characters still use it without much terrain damage, don't ask how.
>They should have taken a more old school approach and have every character be broken in one way or another so it balances out.
I can't honestly blame them since balancing is hard. In 2d fighters you also have have to limit things usually unless you make the sprites ant sized. 3d gives you a bit more freedom in that regard.

>>46015632
Reminds me of this video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PkSrFzB5VTY&pp=ygURYmF0bWFuIGJ1Z3MgYnVubnk%3D

So is this a sort of crossover thread or is it limited only to Superman?

>>45953910
>time and reality
Those are below the spirit

>>46015632
He'd get outpranked by Tewi, neg diff

>>46015632
The american white hare of inaba is still the white hare of inaba, doc

>>45951153
If you want more of those look up superdickery.

>>46030197
It has already become a crossover thread so do as you please.
>>46033451
That could depend a bit on the setting, but most don't get really deep in how shit works nor have a hierarchy of where different concepts go and so on.
I guess you could also say that time being punchable isn't a trait of Superman, but rather of the DC universe and so on... So dunno, don't take crossover discussions seriously.

>>46033760
>It has already become a crossover thread so do as you please.
Fair enough then. I ask because I'm curious about how Doomguy would handle himself in Gensokyo. Maybe even try to write a story or something as a nebulous idea.

>>45949442
Wally West was able to outrun instant teleportation by running as fast as he could while also absorbing the kinetic energy of everyone on Earth. She ain't outrunning him.

>>46034717
He'd do pretty well, you can lowball or high ball both setting and he'd fit in.
You could also just power wank him and have him genocide Gensokyo for the lols if you wanted to, but I think he'd just try to get back to his Earth and Hell.

>>46035936
I figured as much although I'm curious how far he can "realistically" go as a starting point. Power fantasies are fun initially but that gets kind of dull pretty quick for the same reason playing a game with cheats enabled does too.
And the way I figured it, ending up in Gensokyo would be a secret level of sorts with him trying to get back to his own worlds and conflicts like you said.

>>46036440
Realistically, I think he'd be about as strong as a Touhou heroine.
Low balling both settings have both of them at wall level, and high balling them have both at universal level.
I think he'd like the Inaba for fairly obvious reasons, and having him appear during an incident would be funny as he'd have to work alongside the heroines and get in all sorts of wacky fights.

>>46036567
Sounds pretty accurate for the most part then although he can't fly so that's one disadvantage he has versus the likes of Reimu or Marisa just to name a couple. He could still put on a clinic as a ground pounder I think in his own way since he kills flying demons often enough.
Any rabbits he runs across will have him getting sidetracked hard so Reisen or Seiran are gonna have to deal with that.
Him not adhering to Spellcard Rules is probably going to be a problem though since he really doesn't do non-lethal. Although if there's an incident involving Hell like what's been a real problem as of late he'd do great I'm sure.

>>46036911
I assume he'd get some sort of flight powerup, and I guess the killing thing would be a problem if the anti-demon properties of his weapons worked against youkai, but I don't think so since the demons in doom seem fairly fleshy and probably aren't made of youkai particles.
Worse comes to worse and he can't go home he can always become the husband of Tewi and/or Reisen, I don't know which one is funnier.

>>46037257
How could he get the ability to fly you think? And I have thought about how he could lethally stack up against youkai and I would imagine the magical/spiritual nature of his Argent or Sentinel energy based weapons like the plasma rifle, ballista, rocket launcher, BFG, unmaykr, and his crucible sword could work against spiritual entities like the youkai. His more mundane and conventional weapons might even work too if you factor and consider his own divinity with his demigod nature. Blood punching would cause damage as well since it sends an energized shock wave.
But that could all possibly avoided if he finds himself amidst some good bunnies. Tewi would be funnier since she'd probably play pranks on him and Doomguy couldn't be mad at her since she's a rabbit. He might take issue with Reisen as a soldier since she ran away but he could forgive her for similar reasons with Tewi.

>>46037579
Honestly, I think he'd just find a doom style power up with "PERMANENT FLIGHT" engraved on it.

>>46037877
Yeah that sounds plausible. Could be a floating sphere with a pair of wings in the middle to add to it. Or he can just open console and type “fly”.

he cant even beat goku

>>46036567
Max Wank Doomguy would probably be beyond anything in Gensokyo if you take the fact that he was stronger than the literal creator God of all of existence and was causing the multiverse itself to collapse in on him from the collective ass whooping he caused hell at face value. I don’t know if anyone in Touhou is that busted, but that’s again going all lorefag on Doom like it’s Death Battle or whatever.

But besides powerscaling shit im pretty sure Doomguy would fucking despise Gensokyo on a fundamental level, it’s literally an affront to everything he believes in (Humans being slaves/suffering for the well being of literal demons) and he would definitely try to destroy every youkai/god in it without a shred of mercy. Besides the bnuuys of course.

>>46037877
>>46037955
I thought something like pic rel, but If you want to keep more cool factor Kansen could let him ride on Kume.

Nah, I'd win

>>46038414
Oh yeah I know the Slayer is technically multiversal and while the power fantasy enthusiast in me is just pleased as punch, I’m not entirely keen on it either. It’s like I mentioned with the other guy I’ve been talking with in that any and all fights would just be too damn easy. Might make for a neat one-shot story though were Doomguy rolls in and annihilates all the bad youkai in Gensokyo and can even have a sort of sequel-hook/cliffhanger when he goes to their version of Hell next.
And yeah I’m well aware that the way Gensokyo fundamentally operates is uncannily close to how soul factories function. Place is a mini-Nekravol in that it makes people, especially Outsiders, suffer so they can continue to exist like Urdak needed it. Hell, Urdak means “Paradise” and isn’t one of the names for Gensokyo is Pseudo Paradise? It’s all a bit too on the helmet here and Doomslayer would stop it one way or another or die trying.
And it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion he would save the bunnies. He will have his rabbit farm.

>>46038446
Mwah, that’s some beautiful and silly oc. Who needs a lame giant bird when you can have glorious moon bun mount to fly into bloody battle with?

>>46039392
Only the moon rabbits, for some reason, and maybe Tewi, for some reason, can survive outside of Genokyo so they'd die as well if Gensokyo is collapsed.

A squad of JSDF special forces operators somehow get transported to Gensokyo while out on a training exercise. How long do they last?

>>46041416
If it's GATE JSDF, they stomp and colonize Gensokyo.
If it's irl, they'd probably just get ported back by Reimu.
We don't know enough about Touhou's JSDF, but presumably they're pretty similar to irl.

Can Wario rob all the treasure in Gensokyo?

>>46041216
Wouldn’t the moon rabbits lose their purity like Reisen did? Otherwise boy, losing a bunch of bunnies to possibly end Gensokyo is going to be rough for the Slayer.

>>46039392
Yeah a Doomguy in Gensokyo story has so much potential for a crossover fic because he would start beef with everyone almost immediately. Like even the good guys like Reimu or Marisa would probably disgust him not only in a "friends with demons" way, but the way Reimu actively works with the Youkai to oppress humans would boil his blood hot enough to turn sand to glass.

Gensokyo and the other realms in Touhou's entire existence often feels like it exists to mainly torture humans at the expense of the Gods/Demons so i can't really see any scenario where he doesn't dedicate his life to tearing it all down. He'd probably be alright with like Eiki and the moon rabbits but... yeah thats about it.

>>46042759
Honestly despite it being "interesting" I think that's why no one has done it, all it ends up with is Doom Guy committing genocide, and that's not a very interesting story.
I guess you could write each and every 2hu jobbing to him and him murder them with his shotgun, but I think that'd get boring real fast.

>>46042214
It's unclear if it's due to their purity they can exist outside of Gensokyo, it's not entirely clear what they are in the first place, other than being rabbits that is.

Any character with at the very least planetary AP can demolish the touhou series considering that the strongest character (Hecatia) is planet-level at most.
>B-B-But hells are infinite-
If the orbs she's holding are planets, then she's planet level, simple as.

>>46042865
Wow I love writing stomp fics where all those filthy Youkai get genocides by (me)
Fucking Youkai I hate the all, can't wait for (me) to kill them all already.

>>46042759
I’ve seen a few but alas, all are incomplete and they don’t handle it in a way that would potentially and realistically pit the Slayer against the whole land. If or when he finds out humans are working with the Japanese equivalent of demons that shit would remind him of how traitor Sentinels and the UAC were in cahoots with Hell, albeit not as extreme or destructive.
You’re right about him being antagonistic by in large as well. He’d probably take issue with Eiki being bribed but that’s probably not enough to get a Super Shotgun blast to her face outright. There might be some other youkai out there like make Hina I suppose that he would also avoid blamking along with the bunnies and human villagers but yeah, he’s going on the offensive and hard.

>>46042827
There could be a naunced story which is kind of why I’m talking about it but the murdernate everything could do for a one-shot or small series of shorts like I touched upon.

>>46042850
I thought by being on the impure Earth they eventually lose said purity. Moon rabbits are different from Earth rabbits though I think.

>>46042875
Weird thing to say in a thread that's about powerlevels, but ok.

>>46042890
It's not nuanced, Do Slayer is completely fine with genocide and would have no qualms about killing Youkai if he considers them demons.
He wouldn't care about any of their opinions of the opinions about the people who like Youkai, and they wouldn't care about his.
He'd just want to kill them and succeed in doing so, and they'd be too weak to resist in any realistic manner.

>>45975132
Remilia defeats him by manipulating fate so he gets a heart attack the day before the match.

Yukari defeats him by gapping a train inside his heart, Goku knows teleporting so she can't just gap him somewhere else.

Keine defeats him by rewriting history so that his capsule never reached Earth.

Sagumeme defeats him by saying he will defeat her.

>>46042890
Yeah they lose their purity by being exposed to sufficient amounts of impurity, and they are different then earth rabbits biologically.
Although the how and why are unclear, but at the end of the day the two races are both what would be considered rabbits.

>>46042827
I totally forgot to include the second part on why i thought it was interesting, because i think the big problem would come down to how it would affect the innocent people, including the villagers, human souls in other realms, or even less evil youkai like the rabbits or some of the animal spirits

I guess the interesting part would be seeing how someone who despite how "lol rip and tear" they are is genuinelly good and unwavering in their hartred of evil would interact with the world of Touhou, a world where even the "good" guys are all kind of immoral assholes at best. Like would he even be able to help anyone without outright destroying everything.

>>46042949
They villagers don't like Youkai and the other realms would probably just get murdered next, killing all the Youkai would also involve needing to collapse the barrier and I don't see why doomguy wouldn't do that.
So I guess the villagers would just become refugees and doom guy would go on to murder the rest of the setting.

>>46042910
Yeah that’s the most likely outcome. I guess when I said naunced I meant him doing investigations and then planning his extermination campaign to undo Gensokyo. I don’t think it would be easy though but it’s probably doable if he plans and plays it right.

>>46042937
Seems about right. He would still love them though no matter what.

>>46042971
He'd investigate in the same way Reimu does, going off in a random direction and fitting people.
Of course he'd just kill them then move on.

>>46042988
>Fighting

>>46042964
It would also be interesting to see how he would react to places like The Lunar Capital, who are stuck up assholes who enslave rabbits, but most of the actual citizens are pretty decent people who just want to live their lives.

Like its shown pretty clearly that despite his rage he doesn't like innocent people, human or otherwise, getting hurt if he can help it, but he also will destroy anything that sides with demons/evil gods. It would be a conundrum.

>>46042988
Yeah, he’ll fit them alright. With bullets.
Jokes aside that sounds on the dot too. And depending on where he’s inserted that would of course mean different youkai he would fight and potential information he could learn too. I would imagine being placed newr the Human Village would be easy modo and allow him to learn things faster while the Road of Reconsideration would be a nice little slaughtermap for him but it wouldn’t give Doomguy much to go on initially about Gensokyo. Although if the one or two youkai who survive that shit escape word will likely spread quickly about a new outsider who isn’t screwing around and isn’t an easy meal.

>>46043018
The rabbits don't have any problem with being enslaved, and it's not like they're abused.
He doesn't really have a reason to kill them, they're just smug.
But presumably if he learned about the instigating the creation of youkai he'd kill those responsible, which would involve collapsing the lunar barrier.
So they'd probably all die is he learned that or not.

>>46043025
It's the doom guy they wouldn't escape.
And it's not like they have any means to stop him.

>>46042919
>remilia
her "fate" "manipulation" "ability" is nothing but a bluff
>yukari
would job, one way or another
>keine
she can't rewrite history, where the fuck did you get that from?
>sagume
her ability will bring about any set of circumstances that would make goku unable to defeat her (like sagume being defeated by someone else entirely or goku losing interest, not to mention any potential backfires), it's very much a gamble whether goku is defeated or not

>>46043056
Probably not, but for the sake of a possible story having one or two witnessing his slaughter from afar would make for interesting storytelling by having his notoriety spread. I mean we saw that in Doom itself with things like the Slayer Testaments.

>>46043044
I mean some of the rabbits clearly don't love being where they are, like Reisen for example, and a lot of them even in SSIB were kind of miserable and shown to be kinda overworked by Torihime.

That plus some of the Lunarians constantly talk about wanting to destroy all life on earth, which is a big no no for Doomguy so its hard say.

Funnily enough i don't think he'd get along entirely with Junko despite their similar backstories seeing how
A.) She works with the leader of Hell
B.) Is perfectly willing to kill all residents of the Lunar Capital with no remorse, which despite his ferocity isn't a place he'd go to.
C.) Would hurt the space bnuuys.

>>46043446
In which case he'd just kill them and the rest would be refugees.

>>46043472
I mean aren't Lunarians deathly vulnerable to impurity? I don't think theres anywhere else they could go if he outright destroyed the Capital... they might be fucked,

>>46044130
They'd just become normies again, they're just haughty humans as is.

>>46039392
Thx, I was thinking of putting him with one leg on Seiran and Ringo a la the epic split. But I thought that was to absurd.
But now that I think of it rather than stuff like >>46037955 or this he could also just get jetpack, it wouldn't look out of place nor like stuff gamedevs put in for the lulz.
>>46043044
In CiLR the thing Kaguya says of the moon creating youkai is more like the literal moonlight making that, I'm also not sure if her statement really holds considering that youkai don't really seem to regulate impurity as she says. Lunar Capital could also have some nice BFG like weapons.
Another fun thing could be Makai, which could have him wondering wtf they call those demons since they are nothing like the ones he knows.

>>46045003
That would have been funny too and I'm all for over the top stuff like the Slayer riding two bnnuies into battle against a bunch of demons or youkai. Just imagine him firing his minigun while Ringo and Seiran shoot danmaku for maximum boolet saturation.
A jetpack could work as well and I'm sure there's mods that give him that specifically. A winged powerup like I said would work too. Really there's no limits here beyond our imaginations.
Doomguy going to Makai would be interesting like you mentioned to that other anon since Shinki and her demons are way different from the ones he knows. He'll probably still take shots at them though just on general principle but they can maybe talk him down as slim as such a thing is.

>>46042759
I'm still confused as to why people willingly moved to Gensokyo during its formation.

>>46045508
Pretty sure they made the great barrier knowing full well they're trapping a whole village inside of it.
Forgot where but I do remember reading that the village is smack-dab in the middle of the barrier. That's not something you do without proper planning.

>>46045003
Makai is barely even canon so it'd basically be doom guy interacting with an almost entirely oc setting.
And I seriously doubt the Loonies could even scratch doom guy.
Honestly with how high tier he he his presence enough would probably kill teak Youkai.

>>46045508
Nobody in that village outside of the Hakurei lineage probably wanted in that shithole, or at the very least had no idea how screwed they'd be.

>>46041454
>If it's irl, they'd probably just get ported back by Reimu.

That's assuming Yukari doesn't have them killed to stop the government from finding out about Gensokyo's existence.

I love genocide fag threads.
I love genocide.
Epically (you)kai genocide.

>>46046239
Don't you have better things to do in the Lunar Capital then shitpost on an earth site?

>>46045789
Makai is basically just Hell 2.0 so it would honestly not really effect him at all. Bonus level

>>46046363
Makai is [headcanon]
Makai is but we don't know anything about its inhabitants or the landscape other than it's toxic.

>>46041885
If he has his cartoon character immortality, for sure, would be hilarious to see him steal the donation box just to see how empty it is.
He'll probably have better luck at the SDM or Eientei. Not sure who in Touhou has more riches to steal tho.
Wonder what nice "transformations" he could get in Gensokyo.
>>46042919
I think there might be better choices since surprise hits basically makes dbz characters pretty much normal like >>45957402
>bs like fairies of light with a knife, Koishi or Sakuya defeating characters like Goku
>>46046363
Not sure if any human souls go there and going by pc98 the worst they do is tourism(?). Although I guess that going by UFO some nasty people might be there sealed up there for some reason or another.

Seeing this discussion about Doomguy in Gensokyo has got me thinking: is Gensokyo a dystopia, or something more in-between a utopia and dystopia?

>>46042919
>>46043069
isnt Keines ability more like mass suppression of x thing rather than rewriting x thing to never happen

>>46047704
Yes

>>46047640
Doesn't really matter since doom guy would genocide them either way.
Utopia and Dystopia are also pretty hard to pin down, at their core they just mean "A place that doesn't exist" and "An evil/false Utopia"
But somebody's Heaven is somebody else's Hell, the original Utopia would definitely be a Dystopia by modern standards.
And Dystopic literature is often more about warnings for the future, and the path the author doesn't want humanity to go down, but Touhou really isn't a cautionary tale like that since Touhou tends to have a more light hearted tone.
Some things in Touhou like the Animal Realm and Hifuu do seem to be explicit Dystopia in that they're cautionary tales about humanities future, but Gensokyo doesn't have that lens applied to it.

>>46047640
100% dystopia.
>>46050788
Dystopic literature has stopped being cautionary a long time ago, now dystopias are done just because of a need for "cool" or "interesting" setting tropes.

>>46050914
Then I guess the question would be, does ZUN want us to think of Gensokyo as a Dystopic setting?
Just because some people use it wrong, doesn't mean you can say that a setting is a Dystopia due to it having bad or evil elements, all settings by their nature have those elements as to facilitate conflict.

>>46051083
ZUN probably didn't at first, but it's hard for me not to see it as dystopic nowadays.

>>46047640
Pretty simple

Utopia for Gods and Youkai
Dystopia for Human Villagers
Hellworld for everyone else

>>46052155
Sounds about right.

>>46051124
Yeah, people have said he got more cynical with the series later on... but the original stuff still had "outsiders are eaten by youkai" even by the second PC windows game so its not like Gensokyo was Disneyland even back then.

That being said, i do remember a recent interview with him stating that FS's artist forced him to take the writing a bit more seriously which is why that manga is a bit darker than the rest.

>>46038414
wtf does this mean that Doomguy an his whole universe is just a simulation?
Is this from Eternal or something?
>>46047704
Her profile states the ability to create history(in Hakutaku form(never shown)). The odd thing is that yookais didn't get affected by her hiding the village.
>>46052155
>Hellworld for everyone else
Who? Fairies, Hermits, Ghosts, Animals?

>>46053646
Animals and Hermits are basically youkai anyways.
Also remember, Fairies don't have rights. Akyuu encourages people to take their anger out on fairies.
Of course it's not like fairies are People so it doesn't matter.

>Hermits are basically youkai
We did it /jp/ies we became Touhou

>>46053646
It basically means that the main AI, Vega created a simulation of what was gonna happen if the marine kept fighting the demons and came to the conclusion that existence itself was imploding on him
Kicking so much demon ass.

Also ghosts and fairies are basically youkai, and hermits are all assholes so they’re honorary youkai.

>>46053739
>>46055427
Lunarians? Celestials? Phantoms? Poltergeists?

>>46055629
All Youkai, and Lunarians are double Youkai.

>>46055648
Humans?!?

>>46056337
Race traitors and thus youkai.

>>46056341
Meant the other humans.

>>46055427
Ahhh, ok I thought they made DOOM into some sort of Matrix like setting.

>>46055629
Lunarians live in a secluded area in the middle of a forest and are basically youkai/gods with extra steps

There’s like one celestial and she doesn’t live in Gensokyo normally, hell she only goes there if she’s being punished

Both of those are youkai

>>46055629
Lunarians famously don't live in Gensokyo... they live on... y'know... the moon. Same with Celestials, they tend to live in Heaven.

>>46060701
Fair point on lunarians and celestials. But weren't phantoms just the dead spirits of people?

If the modern day government of Japan somehow found out about the existence of Gensokyo, how would they handle it? Would they try to cover it up, or would they try to mount some sort of rescue operation for all the people in the Human Village?

>>46062163
The barrier is magical, not physical, and the condition is that as long as Genoskyos is rejected by the outside world it stays inside the barrier.
So the world would have to embrace Gensokyo and let it enter into reality for any large military force to enter.
So I don't think much would happen.

Superfag would go too easy on them.
CHADtor Fate erases all the Youkai and anyone who disagrees with him doing so without a hint of mercy because Nabu is a mega asshole and won't give a fuck about anyone's feelings.

>>45940275
He doesn't have passport for entry, though..

>>45940275
>>45940275

>>45940275
Here's how you do crossovers

>>46067797
This is so obvious in retrospect that it’s funny how it didn’t come up sooner in this thread.

>>46067797
Batman genocides all of Gensokyo but better but to how power wanked he is.

>>46062052
Yeah... and Vampires are just undead humans as well, along with Yuyuko who is also just a dead human who became a ghost.

Magicians are also youkai that were once human, its not an exclusive thing to just non human entities.

>>46066073
Didn't stop him the first time he came to earth

>>46069596
Any humans who stops being human is a race traitor and basically a Youkai anyways so it doesn't matter.

>>46068263
Batgod solos Gensokyo with prep time.

>>46070288
The only prep time the overrated capeshit furry will get is prep time for lubing up his butthole before the inevitable fucking he will get.

>>46070288
Remiliagod >>>>> Batgod

>>46070363
Loses to base batkek.

>>46069626
Thought that phantoms judged by the Yama would still counted at humans, thus why WBaWC seemed that grim. But I thing that spirit terminology wasn't very consistent in Touhou anyways.

>>46070469
Again, inconsistent because plenty of spirits are stated to become youkai even if they are human spirits

>>45940275
yukari mogs, no contest
/thread

>>46073545
Superman's laundry.

>>46073545
Yukari when Superman simply flies beyond the very boundaries of infinity to punch her in her hag vag.

>>46073579
NTA but anon... Yukari's whole thing is physical and philosophical boundaries... if she wanted to Superman is as good as a pile of atoms

>>46073731
If the print works are anything to go by, Yukari will always somehow find a way to job.

Y'all a bunch of fools arguing nonsense, of pierrots dancing mad, of buffoons intoxicated in your own folly.
The most powerful being is the writer, because it can make the characters do as he pleases, with no way of being countered or defied.
No, fourth-wall stories or character vs god/writer don't matter, because they were written by the same author anyways.

>>46074220
Shut up ZUN.

everyone mentioned itt dies to mid-level youkai at best.

>>46073731
Theres probably some fuckery within DC that allows Superman to somehow survive someone manipulating his boundaries.

Like he's literally survived attacks that erase someones entire existence and history with no problem and someone trying to destroy him on a narrative level. Plus Yukari can't even the lunarians and they're bitchmade in comparison to man who once punched an entire Multiverse back into existence.

>>46076796
(X) Doubt

>>46076835
dies to a burst of danmaku. he is weak to magic and his powers and strenght drain immensely when exposed to it.

>>46077549
Nta but It's not that he's weak to magic, it's just he doesn't have a resistance to it so it effects him
That being said, He's tanked strong ass magic from incredibly strong magic users such as shazam, black Adam, and darkseid before

>>46077549
Superman's weakness to magic is literally whatever the fuck he feels like at the time, he's fought magical gods and defeated angels in 1v1 combat before with no problem.

Funnily enough, depending on how the sun actually works in Gensokyo because of how everything defies logic there, the Sun might actually make him substantially more powerful and nullify his weakness.

Can Metroman from the movie Megamind solo most youkai?

>>46078877
(You) could genocide Gensokyo by yourself, so they they could.

>>46078877
>Metroman moving at insane speeds when Sakuya stops him in time

>>46078877
his speed feat is insane but unlike superman he doesn't have any actual feat of strength, so it's unknown

Touhoukeks when they realize youkai aren't actually mountain busters that move faster than light and the hax abilities they have aren't actually that useful just because vsbattles said so

>>46080527
Yeah, and you could argue that the physically strongest youkai, Yuugi, is at most city level due to her stomps causing buildings to collapse, most youkai are said to be weaker than Onis so they don't scale above that.
If we were to generalize the entire series in general, the absolute top is only planetary level, so anyone at that level or above can dominate touhou.

>>46079973
Wasn't there something in the print works that states Sakuya doesn't actually stop time and that she just moves really fast?

>>46081108
yeah, it was wahh iirc
no idea why zun retconned that of all things

>>46081108
>>46081786
fuck no, I can tolerate the new grimsokyo narrative until Zun gets bored of it, but Sakuya moving at high speed instead of time stopping? what's she, a fucking tengu now? I refuse to acknowledge that, I refuse

>>46080573
>City block
Absolute delusion, most Youkai are Street level, small building level at most.

>>46079973
>>46080142
Nah he pretty stronk. Considering that Titan throws the top of that skyscraper. He might be around that, but his speed is truly absurd.
The question is if Gensokyo's bizarreness would make him weak to copper
>>46081786
The point of her explanation was that she can't make other people move in stopped time, and time stopping is pretty much like moving really fast during a certain period of time, even characters with super speed also have super reaction speed. I don't think it was an intentional way to retcon. Also in game you see her time stopping... and teleport, not sure if both are the same ability but different for gameplay mechanics.
She could also just lie to say that she can't kidnap people with her power
>>46080527
>move faster than light
Nooo anon what do you meaan!!1! In SSiB when Maris shoot the two lazers she moves faster than light since masuta spaaku was confirmed to be light by Yori!
I really wish authors and artist weren't that inconsistent with speed and shit

>>46082211
>She could also just lie
i don't think i've ever seen any character in a japanese work of fiction lie about their powers in any capacity

>>45940275
>the status quo of their dominance
What dominance, the entirety of Touhou is street-tier.

>>46082308
Shut up Dragon Dog, Superman wiped your ass three times in a row.

>>46082285
HunterXHunter comes to mind as the typical manga with powers.
Death Note and Chainsawman could also count.
It's usually mostly a thing of le bad guys, but it happens even in well known stuff, there's also Remi in Touhou itself.
I think not telling your power is more popular. But of course nothing beats monologuing about your powers in popularity.

>>46082389
nta
No refutation to touhou being street tier.
Maybe you should go back to one of your shitty fanfiction or image spam thrads, or is vtuber shit more to your taste?

>>46082631
Nah bro, I have no time to follow pop shit. Gotta pay taxes n shit, maybe you should learn to do the same.

>>46082389
>Superman [FANFICTION BABBLE]
GODku raped BULLETTIERman in canon.

>>46082691
I already learnt to not follow pop shit.

>DraGAY Bollocks
Leave them to us.

>Planet Level Ball
Pathetic.

>>46082759
>/dbs/rats

Would he settle down or go on another god killing spree?

>>46089275
Gensokyo would probably be fine as long as nobody important pisses him off.
He'll probably end up fucking Hecatia either way, though.

>>46082759
>Canon
>Implies a fall from the moon would kill Superman
This guy at literally 0.1% power destroyed planets by JUMPING
DBtards are pathetic

>>45940275
I want him to spank Alice and call her a cunt.

>>46090573
That seems a bit mean, I think he’d just snap her neck instead

>>46082784
Gap the bucketnerds to the outside world and make them their issue instead

>>46090778
Daleks would take that as an insult and Reality Bomb the fuck out of Gensokyo

>Or maybe Gensokyo behaves weirdly around stuff like black holes because its literally a separate dimensional space that breaks the laws of physics
Yup, more or less.

Youjutsu doesn't operate on normal physics but the holes in them. Marisa's stars don't twinkle on the Moon because "everyone knows stars only twinkle in the Earth's atmosphere" even though the Moon still has breathable air. Kanako even does an experiment in one of the manga to prove that this is true, successfully producing cold fusion through a method which she knows is physically impossible.
There's some metaphysical talk about this scattered about the series - the world having three layers of Physics, Spirit and Memory, and how establishing a name for a thing inscribes it in the Layer of Memory as a reproducible phenomenon - though much of it is just in-universe speculation.

tl;dr - DC has nonsensical things like characters piloting FTL spaceships by eyesight. But in Touhou it runs on nonsense explicitly.

>>46097175
It’s kind of like how the 5th dimension in DC works where the very laws of reality don’t apply, only what the Imps imagination decides to be reality depending on what they feel at the time.

Speaking of which I wonder how a 5D imp would deal with Gensokyo, seeing how they break logic and anti logic so easily

>>46070363
How is this picture real?

>>46097800
You question the autism of 2hu fans?

>>46070363
Inaccurate, Remilia isn’t as flat as a pancake

>>46080573
>Yeah, and you could argue that the physically strongest youkai, Yuugi, is at most city level due to her stomps causing buildings to collapse, most youkai are said to be weaker than Onis so they don't scale above that. If we were to generalize the entire series in general, the absolute top is only planetary level, so anyone at that level or above can dominate touhou.
Since when is someone going for a stroll indicative of their upper limits? When it comes to 2hu its never a matter of ''at most'' it's ''bare minimum'' considering how much they all hold back (most of the time) and danmaku being a thing. ZUN is for some reason really vague about everything. Look to eastern mythology (and maybe some western) if you want to get a better idea of how strong the characters are, given that they literally come from it. I'm not even gonna touch the last part.
>>46082211
>Nooo anon what do you meaan!!1! In SSiB when Maris shoot the two lazers she moves faster than light since masuta spaaku was confirmed to be light by Yori!
Refer to >>45953098 (and more importantly, play Imperishable Night! (or just watch some videos if you cant be bothered)). The protags from that game can easily move at speeds higher than the one you're being snarky about, which in itself is pretty blatant and straight forward and requires a LOT of mental gymnastics to downplay. Said mental gymnastics usually involve the ''these hoes lyin' mang!'' fallacy that a lot of /jp/sissies fall for. Because it's a lot easier to just say that they're lying every time they do or say something you don't like instead of thinking about the scene's context, author's intent and all the time's they *didn't* lie alongside looking at the story holistically.
>>46082308
Funny how both Superman and Goku are weak to rocks. Although with the APE you need to sneak attack with your rock of choice. I'd pick those sharp ass rocks from the beach.

>>46107963
>Tanks a MFTL+++++ rock throw from a casual planet buster
Holy FUAAAAAAAAARK!

>>46108055
Dude my grandma could throw objects faster than that!! The punishments I got from her were def AT LEAST planet buster!!! I could tank that shit!

>>46107963
Sorry, but if anything the “Faster than infinity” shit from Imperishable Night is most definitely an outlier or just outright not what ZUN intended at all.

Every other speed feat from the series barely stretches like Hypersonic at best, hell SSIB has Remilia fly around the moon once in like 2 seconds and that’s considered impressively fast for anyone not named Aya and that’s not even like a 10th the speed of light.

The Flash got like 20 feats of him going so fast he breaks speed itself and that’s not even full power. Difference between DC and Touhou is DC has the feats to back up their bullshit lore.

>>46109393
nta
But the girls can traversed the Sanzu, EIenti, Hell, and the Animal Realm.
All of which have infinite distances, and from what Zun says about Hell and the Animal Realm, I really do get the impression that they are *Infinite* distances.
Gensokyo's border is also a virtual infinite distance that Reimu manipulates.
Basically what I'm saying is the girl's have methods of crossing infinite distances, although even if you don't think that'd translate into reaction time, which is fair desu.
The girls still casually deal with light speed attacks, and youkai particles themselves are similar to light, I don't know you could downscale them from light speed, other than saying the lasers they deal with aren't light, and attacks made from light they've dealt with aren't light speed.
Even Cirno can deal with Sunny's light attacks after all, and she's a mega jobber.

>>46109714
Being able to traverse across an infinite space only matters if you’re physically able to do it through speed alone, and reimu straight up manipulates boundaries to teleport places anyway. Again, it’s pretty consistent that they barely move at sub light speed at best in any scenario that actually accounts for physical speed.

And don’t hit me with the “it’s called a light attack so it automatically means they’re moving at light speed” when it’s very clear even in stuff like SSIB that light speed is seen as ridiculously fast even by the fastest characters. It’s stupid ass Death Battle logic

>>46110029
I don't really know how to respond to you claiming that light moves slower than light speed.
But okay, this thread for for genocide sperging anyways and we probably shouldn't be having a lore discussion.

>>46109393
Remilia never flew across the moon, anon.
She was lying when she claimed she did because she wants to look cool.
It wouldn't even be possible for her to fly around the moon since most of it doesn't have an atmosphere, and even if she did somehow escape the area around the Lunar Capital, there would be no way for her to get back inside because it's hidden away from the rest of the moon and the only reason they got in in the first place is because of the magic god-guided rocket and Eirin's meddling.

>>46110029
>>46110043
>I don't really know how to respond to you claiming that light moves slower than light speed.

NTA but what's so shocking about it?

>Youkai-related phenomena work on vibe and outdated ideas rather than standard physics, with Kanako even doing experiments to prove that a physically impossible reactor design is possible in Gensokyo
>The very same Marisa vs Yorihime fight has Marisa's attacks working on vibe even when it doesn't make sense ("they don't twinkle because there's no atmosphere")
>Marisa and Yorihime's voices are clearly travelling faster than Master Spark is
>Freaking *Sunny Milk* has dodged attacks explicitly made of light; not only does she lack superhuman physical stats, she's actually weaker than a normal human
>Even if we were talking about real life physics, light absolutely can move slower than lightspeed.

>>46089407
>>46089275
The second somebody pisses him off he stats genociding, besides Youkai are ontologically evil so there's even less moral ambiguity in killing them all then his previous adventures.
Besides it's gensokyo it'll take all of two seconds for someone to piss him off.

>>46110043
Because 99% of “light” attacks in fiction don’t even remotely move at light speed or are even implied too.

Most of those attacks live at bullet speed at best in action, and are often slower. This goes for shit like Danny Phantom or Dragonball as well.

>>46113140
Yeah, if anything Gensokyians starting a fight to the death with you for no reason is literally par for the course, so much so that the spell card rules exist explicitly so niggas stop doing it to each other and destroying Gensokyo.

Which Kratos would absofuckinglutely do the second they start throwing Tamala shit at him

Okay, but how would The Eggman fare in Gensokyo?

>>46114181
Enslaves the kappa by accident

>>46114202
>Enslaves the kappa on purpose
Fixed that for you, those goddammed fucking turtles need to nerve stapled and/or shoved inside of a motobug.

>>46089275
>>46089407
>>46113140
Co-op mode this genocide campaign for maximum destruction.

>>46114213
I mean the kappa would think Eggman is awesome and leap at the chance to work for him, only figuring out how dumb that is later.

>>46114252
>Dumb
Please, Eggman is eccentric but he's far smart than any jobber Youkai, unlike them he actually managed to take over the world and kill off all of humanity across multiple continuities and alternate timelines, only being stopped by plot armor-nic.

>>46114294
I didn't say he was incompetent, I said that if you decide to work for him you're going to end up as slaves

>>46114428
That's the best part, and honestly what the kappa deserve.
He's done tons of cool shit with Hyper-Go-On energy and was planing to life wipe the Lost Hex, so genociding Gensokyo and using the Youkai as fuel for his next egg mech would be cool.

>>46114181
>Arrives in the Human Village
>Realises that they have access to oddly advanced pharmaceutics being sold by someone with apparent radar detection abilities, and follows up the source
>Realises that Eirin is just as smart as he is, if not smarter
>Develops a crush on Eirin
>With this to distract him he mostly chills out and doesn't actively try to conquer Gensokyo, though Reimu still needs to chase him down every now and then when one of his projects is having unintended side effects

>>46115676
Eggman loves nobody but himself and his kids Only Sage and to a lesser extent Metal
Also considering he made the Phantom Ruby and it's prototypes, I highly doubt he isn't at least on Eirin's level.

>>46114247
Jesus fuck I forgot how juiced Doomguy is, even in comparison to Kratos who looks scarfs down on 10000mg of iron an hour.

Man doesn’t even need magic or gund to beat Youkai he could just crush them in his hands

>>46116171
lol yeah, his biceps are literally as big as his damn head. He already clobbers demons on the regular with his hands so yooks aren’t safe from the same treatment. Doubly so if he gets boosted via Berserk. Guns are still fun though.

>>45940275
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo

>>46107963
Was mostly mocking how people pic any random ref, make some measurements and go "fuck it, this character can pull this off with ease, also top level is the only thing that counts!"
Anyways the infinite corridor is referred as to 永い which does have the kanji for eternity but it's meaning is more of 長い(long) or figuratively eternal. Touhou doesn't feel like a too strong of a setting but I can understand it feeling like that since the biggest difference between dbz stuff and danmaku is that Earth doesn't seem to be made of TNT.
>>46112033
>Marisa and Yorihime's voices are clearly travelling faster than Master Spark is
Anon if we consider that you could probably solo everything except some videogame and book universes since practically every attack is slow enough for a sentence to be said, heard and reacted to. It's just a thing that happens a lot in comic and TV format. Heck there are even moments where the character shouting the attack name isn't heard, or characters talking in space/underwater or other conditions and so on.
>>46109393
>Difference between DC and Touhou is DC has the feats to back up their bullshit lore.
And then Flash gets hit by pretty average attacks, writers barely know wtf to do with him.
I agree tho with the part of backing up their lore since in most fightfag settings you see clear feats which make x character faster or stronger than y. Meanwhile Touhou has most of the characters barely trying or playing around with danmaku 99% of the time. I honestly doubt ZUN ever wanted to do some powerlevel thing, he even mentioned once how he doesn't want to go full megaten. But it's odd because the games when they are playing around feel like higher level magic settings than when they are serious in the mangas.

PS: Also outrunning infinity and such feats are ridiculous since if you can outrun it, it isn't infinity. But hey it's a universe where you can punch time so maybe anyone that gets into DC could just think of "touching time" or whatever and from there on become the master of the universe or whatever.

>>46117203
>I agree tho with the part of backing up their lore since in most fightfag settings you see clear feats which make x character faster or stronger than y. Meanwhile Touhou has most of the characters barely trying or playing around with danmaku 99% of the time. I honestly doubt ZUN ever wanted to do some powerlevel thing, he even mentioned once how he doesn't want to go full megaten. But it's odd because the games when they are playing around feel like higher level magic settings than when they are serious in the mangas.
ZUN seems enamored with ambiguity as a theme in itself, to the point where youkai are basically ambiguity elementals. See that one Akyuu rant in Forbidden Scrollery - about how the number of truths in the world is infinite, and only children think that all questions automatically come with a single true answer.

>>46117042
>madeupbullshitbattles wiki

>>46117042
Jobs to the nerd nigga from Danny Phantom
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tucker_Foley?so=search

>>46114181
My dude Eggman can create armies large enough to overrun planets and expand to intergalactic scales from literally fucking nothing. He just makes shit happen even with zero apparent resources. Dude can build the Death Egg over and over again no matter how many times it gets wrecked, he's taken over a dream world, has tech that can teleport whole battleships across seemingly continental distances, has created guns capable of blowing up star systems in one shot, and the motherfucker has created machines that can warp realities like the Egg Wizard. The moment he gets the gist of special powers and magical things existing in Gensokyo (like the miracle mallet, the gohei, the sword of hisou, Hisoutensoku, anything) he WILL get his hands on that sword and create wunderwaffens. Eirin is a peabrain compared to my dude, without Sonic around he's fucking everyone's shit and exterminating the Animal Realm in specific.

And that's just his game feats. If you include what he's done in the Archie comics it becomes over more overkill. Dude's created machines that erase anything from reality, the Roboticizers that just work, a Death Egg that could rewrite the entire narrative and machines like A.D.A.M. who could infect anything with nanites, machine or creature alike. Touhou would be his bitch.

>>46118081
>>46118053

>>46115676
>Develops a crush on Eirin
>>46118094
>Eirin is a peabrain compared to my dude
Eirin lacks ambition, she just works wonders because someone asked her to. And she always tries to do things as efficiently as possible, even if it results in negative consequences like the people she's caring for falling into ennui.

Eggman by contrast is 100% ambition and often does things inefficiently on purpose because it's more fun that way.

The question is, has Eggman ever met a woman like Eirin before? One who can engage with him on an intellectual level, has experience with building empires, and doesn't really care whether he's good or evil?

>"Ivo, please stop injecting nanites into the rabbits. I promised Kaguya I'd stop doing that."

>>46118202
Eggman's a feminist so he'd probably get along with Eirin. But he wouldn't stop trying to extract the hourai elixir secret formula from her. If push came to shove though, he'd just take it by force by scanning her brain or something. Eirin's already shown herself to get corrected by people less intelligent than her, whilst Eggman's never really been outsmarted, just bumbling, like that time a starving african child threw a rock at him. That said I don't think he'd take the elixir himself, he'd probably find a way to give it to a machine he made like Metal Sonic and royally fuck up by having it turn against him.

>>46113140
Kratos isn't all that interested in genocide, though. He generally has a very specific target in mind and the problem is just that he will slaughter his way through anything standing in between them and him. Just make sure you're not even remotely in the neighborhood and you should be fine.
Also, Doremy could probably get him to calm down significantly by simply offering to eat his nightmares. That'd be an offer he cannot really refuse.

>>46120228
Yeah but the problem is that even in the Norse games he never actively wanted Genocide either, it’s just that every Norse figure couldn’t help but get into a fight with him and he would call their bluff and kill them, escalating everything until he’s everyone’s enemy.

Since getting into fights with everyone over every little thing is literally how Gensokyo works and since he most definitely ain’t following Spellcard rules he’s gonna inadvertently start shit with people until it gets so out of hand he accidentally destroys the Hakurei barrier.

Well, I’d say this was a nice thread. I wouldn’t mind seeing more of this kind of stuff in the near future either.