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ZUN's so geriatric he forgot that chapter 33 was already 'the one where sumireko has disappeared'

>>45898996
It will release in one week or this weekend?

Glad Zun is giving us more Grimsokyo. Tired idiots only reading fanon works insisting it's not grim.

>>45899005
Alcoholic more like. Long term alcoholism destroys your brain's ability to remember.

>>45899051
ZounoseKINGS were always correct, turns out he's one of the few doujin artists that actually got the setting right.

>>45899005
No no no, that time she disappeared because of the dream world, this time it happened because she turned into an earthbound spirit apparently.
Totally different.

>>45899163
So z*unouse is right only when poor man ZUN is suffering from brain damage of alcohol?

>>45898996
And here I thought we were done with Sumireko, and that trash character can dissappear into the background.
Also AI? ZUN is going to start attacking AI art in a not so subtle way isn't he? Sumi is probably going to show off some shitty AI program on her phone and everyone is going uh and awe how the Outside World doesn't need artists anymore

>>45898996
Most people on that tweet are either cheering for Sumireko's death or calling the AI invasion thing stupid.

>>45899715
It's funny how hated Sumireko still is kinda. Sanae is the superior Outsider lady who came in and caused an incident.

>>45898996
>Sumireko is dead

Good. Sumireko tongues my CoLA

>>45899809
Aye yai yai
*bites into taco*

>>45899728
Sanae is qt though

seeing Sumireko hate still being around in 2024 depresses me

>>45899728
Sanae migrated and became part of Gensokyo's citizen.
Sumireko is a dirty foreigner.
They are not the same.

>>45899163
be less obvious, crossie

>>45898996
Are we going to get an official 2hu character that was ai generated?

>>45901456
Behold

>>45903271
A 2hu whose being is blurred as to be perceived differently by different people actually sounds pretty cool.
Although I guess that gimmick might be too similar to Nue.

>>45899728
Well wasn't when Sumireko came to gensokyo she also literally kicked someone out to real world?

>>45898996
And CoLA is set between 18 and 19 or is it practically a 19.2?

>>45904864
It could be a metacommentary on fan interpretation.

>>45905224
the last chapter came out two months before UM and was set directly before it with the ending being about the ability cards, so this should be a post-19 chapter (and ZUN was going on and on about AI in the afterword for 19, so it's just an extension of that)

>>45898996
Seems interesting, hope we get a full TL soon.

>>45899457
In a few more years Sumireko will be replaced with a new human representing the new youth.

>>45898996
Can't believe sumireko fucking dies and my hifuu headcanon is shattered. Lol

People hate Sumireko?

>>45913726
>People hate Sumireko?
Anon, I...

>>45913726
Yeah me. I'm her number 1 hater. Whats up?

>>45913789
What did she do? I like her a lot.

>>45913726
Sumireko hates you.

>>45913885
NTA but I hate the zoomer brat even more than Zun's wife's self-insert. She should have been killed the moment she threatened to weaken/collapse the Great Hakurei Barrier. Everything about her should be memory-holed.

ZUN has been really shitty with his writing decisions lately. Even I can do better than this.

>>45914327
>Zun's wife's self-insert
Wha? Who?
The last game I played was LoLK, so I've been living under a rock.

>>45914361
The fucking tanuki that has been shoehorned into literally every single manga since her conception. She's about as forced as it can get.

>>45914391
Mamizou is Zun's wife?

>>45914440
ZUN's wife *self-insert*

>>45914724
Poor Aya, kicked to the curb.

>>45914724
Back to Sumireko. So people hate her just because she caused an incident?

>>45914724
Wait a second, Zun's wife created Mamizou and writes herself in? Zun has a wife?

>>45914812
anon ZUN has two kids

>>45914797
That she wasn't killed for creating an incident.

>>45914797
People hated her because he introduced someone who had a connection to the beloved Sealing Club duo as an obnoxious zoomer who nearly collapsed the barrier just because she didn't get her way. Many people (me included) wanted her killed for being annoying, but as always, that drunk fuck kept shoving her into our faces.

>>45914839
What the fuck? Since when?
>>45914843
>>45914877
I stand by Usami Sumireko. It's a hill I'll die on.

>>45914797
The original dislike for her came from the fact that she was a Renko clone, which was weird, but then later because she was a "modern day" character and also smug asshole, which also isn't new since we had that 20 years ago. It's basically just a meme that blew up and now people unironically believe that she's the Antichrist of the series when in reality she's just a weird copout. I take it about as seriously as people shitting on Satori for CDS.

>>45914797
Without being emotional about it, she got off too easy for what she'd done, all the while having an unsympathetic personality.

It's kind of if you took FS's ending, but made Kosuzu act extra annoying about it.

>>45914928
CDS was obviously an experiment just like SSiB, except it failed even worse. Satori suffered a character assassination of Eren's proportion. The only good thing about it was that we get to see Satorin's extra-soft belly and we finally got something new about the Hakurei clan after decades.
Obviously, I'm betting on him fumbling the latter part, just like how he fumbled with Mizuchi.

>>45914915
a boy in 2014 and a girl in 2016
the catalyst for Flan getting pushed was him going to something at his kid's school and seeing a drawing of Flan on a board, which made him realise that even 'hidden' characters (he described her like that, I guess because she's the extra boss) can have a fanbase

>>45913885
She looks awfully familiar...

>>45914952
>she got off too easy for what she'd done
She's just a lil girl

>>45915016
No excuses.
Correction is needed!

>>45914928
For all intents and purposes she's an annoying teenager wowed by the novelty of Gensokyo, and larps as one of the "cool kids" without understanding that this fantasy is still very real and has consequences to the people living there. At best she's a fun punching bag, at worst she's a wrecking ball to the plot. Yukari needs to stop jobbing and get off her well padded tush and tighten up the barrier some more.

>>45914928
>she's just a weird copout
I wouldn't say so. The mild "punishment" she suffered despite her somewhat major transgression (for Gensokyo, anyway) kind of makes sense if you remember that anything harsher might have prompted an investigation from the Outside World. It would have been a risk to cause her lasting or visible harm.

I feel like the fallout might have been alleviated by some characters actively resenting Sumireko for what she'd done, but I guess ZUN doesn't want that kind of sentiment in his series.

>>45914994
What is this? Porn?
>>45914984
But we haven't seen Flandre since EoSD?

>>45915072
You cannot be serious.

>>45915096
?

>>45915118
Go to the fucking wiki and educate yourself right now or I'll blast the rock you're sleeping under.
>t.primary lore king

>>45915118
Play coma games and read more print works

>>45915139
Who quote?

I detect /v/ermin filth polluting our noble board.
please refrain from responding to it.

>>45915047
>investigation from the Outside World
Would it? They don't believe in magic or the paranormal, and missing persons cases and kidnapping happen quite a lot. And if you believe Yukari, she pulls a lot of people from the outside. For a teenage girl with a social media following they could be chasing mundane red herrings like stalker kidnappings before they ever consider "she was spirited away to a magic fantasy land that nobody knows about and has no physical proof of existence" as a conclusion. Gensokyo exists because it was rejected by the outside world as nothing more than fantasy. Sumireko herself created a club to try and expose it, she failed and it's still fantasy even in the future.
>>45915072
177013, you know where these magic numbers go. Also, go to the wiki and read you troglodyte.
>>45915185
one 4 letter word in the options field

>>45915203
>one 4 letter word in the options field
Kuso?

>>45914983
seriously why introduce the antagonist if you're not even willing to give her screen time?

>>45915203
Other than accidental entrants, the people Yukari abducts are explicitly those who would not be missed. A young girl with (presumably) parents, attending a public school, whose activities are published on her social media, would cause a stir if something serious or harmful did happen to her. Of course, as long as she's just posting chuuni-looking shit, nobody gives a damn, but that would no longer have been the case once she suffered for real. And Yukari has been shown time and time again to be extremely wary of Outside World influence on Gensokyo.

>>45915139
>>45915153
>>45915203
Do the printworks have anything to do with the games?
>>45915185
Me?

>>45915046
Generally I agree but it's not like there isn't another handful of characters who treat the barrier like it's just a door, or in Rinnosuke's case specifically an item chute. Plus it led to one of the longest arcs in the series which while I wasn't a huge fan of it definitely was a fun experiment.
>>45915047
Yeah, the status quo is also the most important thing here too.

>>45915253
it's not like Raymoo will let her get away with that too

>>45915258
oh, you're just shitposting
I see

>>45914952
Nobody ever faces consequences for anything in Touhou, especially not Yukari's favorites. Yuyuko could steal all the spring and try to resurrect a murder tree and Yukari even helped her with it.
Sumireko facing zero consequences is perfectly in line with expectations.

>>45915312
I'm genuinely confused

>>45915312
anon you should've realized this the moment he asked about ZUN's wife

>>45915316
But because Sumireko is extra unsympathetic, people were feeling gypped by the lack of consequences for her actions. There was no catharsis. Hence annoyance.

>>45915330
How should I know if he's married or not? How do you even know that?

>>45915316
>Nobody ever faces consequences for anything in Touhou
Are we just going to forget the Indian snake youkai, salt merchant and the fortune teller?

>>45915366
Those were filthy m*les.

Wait, are you guys mad at me?

>>45915291
There is a difference between people using it as a garbage chute or pet doorflap, and someone busting holes in it to bring people to the outside and try to expose the reality of Gensokyo to the outside and have a danmaku fight there. The incident is still unresolved and all she got was a slap on the wrist.
>>45915366
You see, they didn't have real names, cute clothes, or funny hats. Their fate was sealed from the start as throwaway characters.
>>45915452
lurk moar

>>45915366
You mean nameless character 1, nameless character 2, and nameless character 3?

>>45915498
Doesn't matter if they're nameless.
They faced consequences in Touhou

>>45915386
But rinnosuke also usually messes up with the barrier and he sells stuff from the outside world

>>45915540
>rinnosuke
Is zun's self insert

>>45915539
It actually significantly matters that they're nameless, since doing anything with them won't change the status quo. If you want to argue that they're a crux of how punishment is dished out in Touhou, then look at pretty much every other incident and you'll see that 20% of the cast should have been culled after every single game. Yet they haven't. Because they're actual characters.

>>45915474
I'm just autistic

>>45915630
Is that a swedish ZUN Q&A?

>>45915696
>Nobody ever faces consequences for anything in Touhou
>Nobody
"Nobody" not "insignificant" was the claim.

Sure are a lot of old men in the Human village.

>>45915743
Good thing I didn't make that post, and only made fun of you for bringing up inconsequential characters?
>>45915785
Those are not old men. Those are sluts.

>>45915807
And yet, that doesn't disprove my argument in regards to that post.
It just irked you that it was brought up.

>>45914952
tbf some people really did wish for Kosuzu to die when FS was running

prepare for zun to lewd the girl and give them boyfriends and husbands

>>45915954
negaZUN
you'll not trick me

>>45915968

Would you a zunhu?

Cease

>>45915923
Yeah. She done goofed and it felt like she'd face the consequences of her actions, but Yukari ex machina pretty much absolved her of all of that. That kind of writing annoys people, not just in Touhou.

>>45915994
What the point of turning ZUN into a girl when all girls in Gensokyo have a penis anyways?

>>45916783
>when all girls in Gensokyo have a penis
....in them

>>45916795
Well yes, it retracts. Flying around with a limp hog sure would be painful.

>>45916795
Johnny Hearn can't keep doing this!

>>45914877
>who nearly collapsed the barrier because she didn't get her way
It was less that she didn't get her way and moreso that it seemed like she was left with no other option and that destroying the barrier would have been the culmination of what she stood for as a whole. She accepted that she would have eventually got done in by a random youkai after being trapped in Gensokyo without any way to properly return back to the Outside World, so she chose to instead die a martyr's death and take down the barrier that separated the Outside World and Gensokyo to expose what she was trying to prove the existence of for so long. Of course, there's the fact that destroying the barrier threatened the entirety of Gensokyo but Sumireko wouldn't have known that.

>>45915994
But we already have two ZUNhus.

>>45913885
She overshadows Rinnosuke in CoLA. If she actually got him to go out of his comfort zone to do different things from the norm it'd be interesting, but instead she's just Poochie

>>45914994

>>45914391
>first Aya is ZUN’s wife
>then sanae
>now mamizou
Just pick one

The fact that people actually hate (as in, hate hate) characters or lore written by ZUN perplexes me. In all my time as a Touhou fan I’ve never had any problem with this. Maybe people focus too hard on certain things, treat it like serious business, or don’t consume other kinds of media to fulfil their needs.

>>45927548
I treat the touhou story like spongebob, as it's not about what's going to happen in gensokyo but rather what's going on in gensokyo, same to the format of spongebob where the problem is resolved within one episode (which make touhou is very enjoyable to me) yet i still hate Sumireko

>>45927548
I completely agree. Basically the only character I could say I feel any strong dislike towards is Flan, and that's only because of fans. In the works themselves I've got no real issue with her. I might take jabs at a character when it's funny (like I think with the recent threads about that Udonge fangame and a nobody western dev being a faggot about it) but there's no real malice behind it.

>>45927548
It's nothing unusual to dislike an unlikeable character. It doesn't make them a bad character, it's just what they are.

>>45927548
Sumi was made to be dislikable, hated by Millennials and GenXers for being stereotypical zoomers, and hated by zoomers for being a super parody of them, so ZUN was successful in designing her.

>>45914839
Good.

>>45927548
>don’t consume other kinds of media to fulfil their needs.
Do you mean media other than Touhou, or just read doujins instead? Cause for me, I feel like doujins spoiled me, canon's just not as good as fanstuff, and people insisting that it's superior confuses me.

>>45928069
This post reeks of Zounosefaggotry.

>>45928079
Calm the fuck down, going on a witchhunt is as bad as being a grimnigger.
I enjoy a few fanmanga more than a lot of the canon manga as well.

There should never have been official touhou manga and ZUN should have remained in only writing like CoLA and Hifuu club. Except FS because FS is so good, god I love kosuzu

>>45928079
No, if I was a Zounosefag I'd start by calling Canni-Can an ultracanon masterpiece and not reply to anyone.
Zounose is mostly eh, but he did have some good stories, like everything involving Hecatia.
>>45928137
This, exept no FS because I hate FS with a passion.

>>45928156
>I hate FS with a passion.
huh why

>>45928192
It retconed all of the fun stuff about the Human Village, making it even more of a boring dystopia.

>>45928137
Said it before and will say it again, he should focus on slice of life stuff without tying the boat to a "literally who" character (The three fairies).
Rinnosuke is a decent character in his own right, and gives something approaching a backstory for Marisa. The only problem is that ZUN refuses to develop anyone beyond throwing them into another incident every year, which ultimately gets resolved into the status quo again. It'd be nice to return to the original formula of disconnected incidents without having to have a social commentary arc attached.

>>45928227
But you love kosuzu right?

>>45928285
Sure, she could debut in CoLA instead.

>>45898996
>Sumireko is dead
Wait, THAT doujin is canon?

>>45928227
I don't even care that much about most of the retcons but it retconned the fucking fashion into just generic looking kimonos and akyuu is the only character who wears anything even slightly more interesting
LE and CDS have mostly stuck to that too, though at least there's waitress costumes from time to time
the two girls on the left here have more inventive costumes than all the villagers in FS put together
what makes it more depressing is that moe harukawa absolutely loved drawing pretty girls and pretty clothes, or she wouldn't have put so much detail into minor things like footwear choice, but she didn't do it on the background characters which makes it feel less real to me

>>45923021
Damn, sumireko is pretty cool

>>45928361
They should hire whoever does the mob designs for Blue Archive.

>>45928361
Exactly, even ignoring the lore retcons, there's none of that mixed Edo - Meiji - Modern mixed flair anymore. The village seems to be exclusively Edo now, even though we've seen some interestig designs worn by the villagers, like Keine.

>>45928441
Pure laziness is likely the culprit.
Easy to just make a herd of faceless kimono wearing NPCs instead of making unique background characters.
Considering how it's also a feature in the aerial fighting games, that weird fashion blend of multiple eras is probably a thing of the past.

>>45928670
well to be fair it made sense in hopeless masquerade since the whole idea was that kokoro was absorbing all the hope from the village and leaving it a miserable place, and everyone wearing dull brownish kimonos reflects that well
makes no sense after that though

>>45928441
>exclusively Edo
Have you even seen Kosuzu?

>>45928862
Yes, she's a named character so she gets special treatment.

>>45928687
>since the whole idea was that kokoro was absorbing all the hope from the village and leaving it a miserable place,
Anybody else still feel that was kind of a copout?

>>45914839
I want to scream.

>>45928441
>there's none of that mixed Edo - Meiji - Modern mixed flair anymore. The village seems to be exclusively Edo now
That's explicitly not true and it makes me wonder if you've ever actually read a printwork before.

>>45929570
Copout how?

>>45939165
Speak for yourself. The mob villagers in printworks are depicted as wearing exclusively simple kimono. In FS they had some variation, but it was still Edo period costumes (I believe there were a few komuso in the background). The closest I remember to someone being dressed in a different style was the nervous villager, and even then it looked a bit ambiguous.

Has anything from PMiSS when it comes to the Village survive the expansion of the Touhou franchise? Seems whenever there is a big contradiction or plot hole in lore, it comes from the human/youkai dynamics that got altered out from that book.

>>45939992
not really
if we go through bit by bit
>The place where most of the humans in Gensokyo live. Although many youkai also visit the village to shop, they are rarely violent, so it is a relatively relaxed place. Everything necessary for human life is supplied here.
Youkai don't visit the village openly anymore, and the ones that do visit typically disguise themselves (Suika is one of the few exceptions to this, but only because she apparently just never bothers, so she only starts doing it in LE after Miyoi and Reimu make her)
>Moreover, as there are humans who work as youkai exterminators in the village, it is possible to lead a safe life here. As for why there are no attacks on the human village, the truth is that it is under the protection of the youkai sages. As long as the humans don't leave the village, they won't meet any harm.
There's been no indication that youkai exterminators exist in the village ever since PMiSS, though I guess if you imagine she's talking about Reimu and Marisa, you could count that as still being true. No villagers know that they're under protection anymore, and villagers in LE comment on how dangerous things are a bunch. That said, in CDS, a whole bunch of villagers were at the foot of Youkai Mountain to watch Orin take one of Mizuchi's victims away, so maybe they think it's not as dangerous as implied.
>Even if you were to meet a youkai in the village, you should greet them respectfully as if they were your elder. Moreover, many stores are kept open late at night, but that is when they are for the exclusive use of youkai. Since many youkai are active at night, such stores are quite prosperous. It is said that youkai are good customers.
Since youkai being in the village openly got retconned, so did stores being kept open at night for the use of youkai, at least until LE started to re-establish this, but it's not common knowledge to the villagers there. On the plus side, the youkai being good customers hasn't necessarily been retconned.
>It is also a common occurrence for humans and youkai to enjoy meals together, particularly in places that serve alcohol.
Again, youkai not being allowed in the village means this one stopped being true, though again, LE has technically made it true again even if the villagers don't know it, because Kanako, Mamizou, Suika and Aya have all been seen drinking in Geidontei during the day.
you know, now that I've written it all out, I wonder if the endgame of Lotus Eaters is to actually bring the village back in the direction that PMiSS was going in.

>>45940187
This almost makes me believe in a theory that PMiSS is from the future, but nothing besides these retcons is really pointing towards it, so it's unlikely

No bulli Sumi.

>>45951473
Why would I? She's literally Sanae except her outsider gimmick actually works.

>>45940187
I think pretty much all of this is still true today.
If anything, instead of retconing things, the more recent printworks added more lore on top of this base by showing details of how things work.

>many youkai also visit the village to shop
Nothing here says the youkai are "openly" visiting the village. Some are, but many aren't.
"youkai" is pretty vague, there's all kinds of them, like those who disguise themselves as human (Aya, Reisen), those who don't really have to (Keine, Banki), those people aren't afraid of (the zashiki-warashi), and all the small and weak ones like tsukumogami or young tanuki, often not showing themselves too much.
The village is still full of youkai walking the streets in plain sight, people just either don't know they're youkai or aren't bothered by them.
On a side note, I like to think of the human villagers seeing youkai inside of the village as real-life people seeing animals in a city: it's not that uncommon and people are used to it to some extent, but the reaction will depend on which animal it is. If you see a cat it's nothing special, if you see a deer it's strange but you won't start running away screaming, if you see a bear or a tiger you should start running and screaming.

>there are humans who work as youkai exterminators in the village
I guess the "youkai exterminators" does indeed refer to the incident-resolving characters (either human or thought-to-be human), but maybe there could be some humans dealing with "extermination" of some weak, non-human looking youkai inside the village, or even greater youkai playing along just for fun ("oh no human, you defeated me!" *flies off into the distance*).

>many stores are kept open late at night, but that is when they are for the exclusive use of youkai.
A good numbers of stores are certainly already visited during the day by youkai disguised as humans, and any owner realizing their store is being visited by an actual youkai will probably just act like it's nothing, not wanting to get them angry.
Then, stores remaining open at night are probably youkai-owned stores doing business with other youkai without having to hide, or human-owned stores being re-opened at night by youkai, with Geidontei now being an example of that.

>It is also a common occurrence for humans and youkai to enjoy meals together
Humans eating and drinking with youkai is certainly a common thing, but again they just won't know they're youkai or won't try to bring up the subject with them.

>a whole bunch of villagers were at the foot of Youkai Mountain to watch Orin take one of Mizuchi's victims away, so maybe they think it's not as dangerous as implied.
Humans wandering outside of the village is probably way more common than people think. Sure they're taught it's scary outside and everything, but fear alone never prevented people from doing things. Some might stay in the village their whole life, too scared to leave, but others will venture outside anyway.
Sometimes, this is a good thing - those who saw someone with cat ears taking a corpse away will certainly talk about this strange encounter once they get back home, speading rumors and making people's fear of youkai stronger.
Other times, it's detrimental and a problem the youkai have to deal with, as seen in this whale manga chapter where a human badly disguised himself as a youkai in order to visit Komakusa's den. This time that human could certainly spread the news that the ouside isn't actually that dangerous, thus reducing people's fear of youkai.
In response, Sannyo started to manage gambling games inside of Geidontei, so humans won't venture on Youkai Mountain to play anymore. Of course she justifies it by saying that "it's dangerous" which is only one of the reaons, but still true - he could get killed by a feral beast youkai who doesn't know nor care about Gensokyo's rules, or he could just fall off a cliff and die, with any death of a human villager being a bad news for the youkai.

>>45939168
>Set up this rather intruiging setup of the Human Villagers no longer being able to cope and needing religion to manage.
>Nope, just turns out to be one Youkai fucking with them as usual.

>>45939992
I'm curious how much of SoPM still stands, since it's also a Akyuu book, but much more recent then PMiSS.
Does it stand the test of time unlike the older book, or did ZUN also find it too restrictive to tell a story and ignore it as well?

>>45958705
It pretty much started the retcons, so I think it's mostly up to date.

>>45898996
Maybe this will finally explain why she's been a high school student for a decade. I hate this floating timeline bullshit when they use real dates, events and pass the seasons, aging vs supernatural immortality is supposed to be a core theme of the work, handwaving it sucks.

>>45954657
>Nothing here says the youkai are "openly" visiting the village.
>Moreover, many stores are kept open late at night, but that is when they are for the exclusive use of youkai.
>Since many youkai are active at night, such stores are quite prosperous.
>It is said that youkai are good customers.
Everything implies they go openly.

>I guess the "youkai exterminators" does indeed refer to the incident-resolving characters
It doesn't.

>Moreover, as there are also humans who spend their time as youkai exterminators, it is possible to lead a safe life here.
Which doesn't imply people like Marisa or Reimu.

>Then, stores remaining open at night are probably youkai-owned stores doing business with other youkai without having to hide, or human-owned stores being re-opened at night by youkai, with Geidontei now being an example of that.
Which isn't openly known.

>>45940187
I am reading that pic you posted and no where does it say "openly" in fact it goes out of its way to say late at night, IE when the normies are asleep.
It's pretty clear from all the manga that Youkai being in the village is an open secret, paper thin disguises are often used but frankly there is no lasting penalty to ones that galivant around except the Shrine Maiden might beat them up.
As for Youkai exterminators working there, they are probably mostly dealing with small time shit like all the little non sentient Youkai running about and shit. Like that time Marisa exterminated one of Kozusu's shoes.

As far as I am concerned that page is still 90% accurate. The "openly" bit is mostly headcanon and the village is constantly depicted as swarming with youkai, half of which don't even really disguise themself.

>>45967395
inb4 she subconsciously uses her psychic power to trick everyone in the outside world that she's still a high school student.

>>45968622
>27 year old woman getting caught still wearing her high school uniform.
Hot.

>>45981331
Yukari has been 17 even lo-

Wasn't the next chapter supposed to continue off of Chapter 36? Or are a bunch of Cola chapters currently untranslated?

>>45982520
This is the first chapter since 36, but 36 was continued by UM and this is the UDoALG-adjacent chapter

>>45914915
You stand by a canonical Instagram user.

>>45982594
"Call him a faggot, Ran."
"Lady Yukari, that's rude! I'm just going to report and ignore."

>>45982594
I miss red-eyed yachie

tired of touhou being used as a platform for zuns poorly constructed takes on current era issues
it'll literally just end up like >>45899457 describes

>>45988994
I'm trying to remember Yuuma's game lore properly. Did Zun actually fall for the fossil fuel meme in it or not?

>>45990030
the sea of "oil" is actually blood and greedy spirits
so it kind of leans into that

when it releases

>>45990075
As in, leaning into calling "fossil" fuel a myth? Or leaning into falling for the meme?

>>45898996

>>45990087
Are you trying to say oil isn't made from organic material over countless years or something?

>>46000039
Obviously oil is mother Earth's love juice.
I mean you take a long hard object, penetrate deep into her, and out come the liquid squirting vigorously. How can it be anything but.

>>46000528
Oh thank god, I thought I missed some horrific new version of flat earth-tier rhetoric and the idea of oil not being from organic material became the new thing.

>>46000675
It's called the abiogenic petroleum theory.

>>45899728
>>45900660
Sanae is a well-intentioned immigrant, she came in with her family through the proper procedures and worked to adopt Gensokyo's customs. She did pick a fight with the Hakurei Shrine Maiden, but who hasn't at this point?

Sumireko is a dangerous tourist. She clings to her outsider identity and caused an incident that threatened Gensokyo as a whole (the occult balls). Also she's a #zoomer.

>>46001168
>she came in with her family through the proper procedures and worked to adopt Gensokyo's customs.
Anon, she literally dropped her house and backyard on a mountain and told anyone who was mad about it to step up and fight her before causing a minor holy war.

>>46002201
Is that not how it works in Gensokyo.

>>46002230
Basically? But the point is that I think if there's any one character to make a comparison to Sumireko, it's definitely not the Moriya's. Maybe the Buddhists or Taoists would be better comparisons.

>>46002201
Like I said:
>she [...] worked to adopt Gensokyo's customs.

>>46001168
#sexwithzoomers

>>45915630
literally rinnosuke if he was drawn in ZUN style lol.
tho it was always pretty obvious with all the lore shit he knows but won't reveal (sounds familiar) and being the one who crafted Marisa's and Reimu's weapons (literally just game making)

translation where

Sumeriko is especially shit when paired with Rinnosuke, and frankly she ruins Rinnosuke's character.
I've seen people say they work perfectly together, since Sumeriko can tell him what the objects he likes to collect do, but it's the exact opposite.
These characters should never have been introduced to each other because Rinnosuke is at his most interesting when he interprets modern inventions through the lens of someone who has only ever lived in Gensokyo.
We will never again have a moment where Rinnosuke thinks some Gameboy is a weapon of mass destruction, or where he finds two identical arms and thinks that the outside world has a human factory.
To actually have an understanding of the outside world takes away from his character, it adds nothing.

That's not even to mention how shit Sumeriko is on her own, she just has nothing interesting going on, I read about Touhou because I want to know more about the people of Gensokyo, I don't want to read about some random zoomer who every character cares for, for some reason.
Her character adds nothing positive to the franchise.

>zoomer this zoomer that
Let's not become very bitter and jaded yet, ok jaypee?

>>46003608
>being the one who crafted Marisa's and Reimu's weapons
He also sew their clothes apparently, which I like to think is probably the only reason Reimu actually get new clothes.

>>46003608
>with all the lore shit he knows but won't reveal
Basically all of it is japanese mythology or things you could read in a book, of which not really many 2hus do. I wouldn't say his knowledge is anymore than Patchy's.
Rinnosuke's not a self insert. At best he'll occasionally be used as a lens for ZUN to show us what he sees through it, but the same could be said of literally every single character. Hell, if anyones a self insert, it's Aya.

>>46003776
>I don't want to read about some random zoomer who every character cares for, for some reason.
Are we fans of the same series? Reimu only cares because she's an anomaly that could lead to countless more and Marisa only cares because she's Marisa and just wants to have fun. The only reason why you could think she's best friends with everyone is if you only read the wiki and didn't actually play the damn games.

>>46006427
Read CoLA.

>>46006490
I have. Not fighting or arguing every single time she shows up does not make her someone "everyone cares for". She's not a Mary Sue, she's a foreigner in a land with closed borders.

>>46003976
>images - 2024-02-03T180045.988
So many newfags

>>46006546
Yes, people in Gensokyo care about her.
Also fighting and arguing is a good thing since it shows camaraderie and rivalry.

>>46006573
Ah, I see you have a severe case of autism and don't understand human interactions then.

>>46006589
Concession accepted.
Have a nice day.

now kiss

>>45915316
No one of importance ever facing serious consequences for their actions is one of my biggest gripes with the series.

>>45915203
>one 4 letter word in the options field
sumi

>>45915316
>>46006763
I have no idea how kanako hasn't been executed or exiled from gensokyo after SA. Like the fact that she owns a fucking nuclear reactor and still makes kike schemes in th18 is so baffling to me.

>>46009865
Because scheming and causing trouble in Gensojyo is both acceptable and harmless.

>>46009865
nothing wrong with owning a nuclear reactor, especially when you're making solid progress toward completely clean energy via cold fusion
kanako's smart about it, so it isn't technology because a very small number of people are privy to how it works, and to everyone else, it's a gift from the gods and therefore fits perfectly fine in gensokyo

>>46009906
Exactly, if anything it appears she has the human villager's best interest at heart, she's trying to make them progress to outside world levels without losing the faith element that's beneficial to both parties.

>>46009906
>>46009917
Huh. Good point. She's far more discreet and presentable about th shit she does.

>>46009906
Ah, Clarke's third law. Honestly with the tech level of the village you can easily pretend a sprinkler system is a gift from god. Eat your heart out, kappa.

>>46009906
>>46009917
Why couldn't she just reveal her existence to humans in the outside world and gather her faith there?

>>46011478
I might be confusing it with a doujin, but didn't they have not enough faith to even show themselves in the outside world?

>>46011526
I don't think it's ever said explicitly but that's the connection a lot of people draw.

What about Remilia? She's directly responsible for two incidents including the one that led to the creation of spell card rules and she still gets to live.

I've seen some info floating about the new CoLA Ran and Yachie make an appearance and they have a friendlier interaction compared to Ran/Yuuma.

>>46021393
Man, ZUN finding out a 2hu is popular really does make him spam them everywhere. First it was Flan, now Ran.

>>46021393
>Ran
You know it didn't occur to me that shikigami is basically an AI in a flesh body.

>>46021408
Eh, this one is fine at least, since he did establish some connections between Ran and the Animal Realm.
Flan was just there to fight, a role that can literally be anyone else's.

>>46021393
but where is the thing?

>>46021408
Bro, it took him like 20 years to realize Flan is popular.

>>46022268
no one's even updated the SCoOW page on the wiki to account for the new volume, let alone the new CoLA chapter

>>46022926
Thant's pretty sad. I'm too lazy to update it too

>>46021408
Momiji next hopefully.

>>46026254
momiji's not that popular in japan outside of being lumped into general tengu stuff

>>46021393
Enough time for fanart of it to float around though.
>>46021408
And the world will be all the better for it.
>>46026323
Outside of the gyate awoo/maga girl she's also not too popular in the west either. Poor Miji, still doesn't have a game sprite.

>>46027658
>YachiRan
I see Yachie is now Miss Stealyourgurl
Has there ever been anyone whose personality flip-flops this much?

>>46029812
She has to take a break from mind control femdomming humans sonetimes.

>>46029812
Her head got bumped pretty hard by the goat please understand.

>>45915203
we use sadpanda here, tourist

when is the translation coming?