/jp/ - Otaku Culture

thanks for sharing
>some parts of this thing to be too opinionated and/or pretentious
that sounds annoying. modern youtube is filled with pretentious 2h+ long video essays in which the content creator talks about history / culture of something that they haven't experienced on their own and they review it. is that the case for this video as well?
i'll still probably check it out but i really don't like bunch of nobodies talking out of their asses

>>44973724
He seems to be a /v/irgin later turned into tumblr user so yeah...
If you want to check the juicy investigative parts, most of them are in the second chapter, "collective unconscious".

>>44973810
oh and "behind there somewhere" discusses about kikiyama and some of his lost music

If Kikiyama isn't dead and Kadokawa wasn't lying about getting in touch with him, I wonder how he feels about YN's enduring legacy. I'd kill for some more in-depth commentary rather than a yes/no questionnaire.

>>44983193
It seems the most he's done is that recent toby fox interview.

The inspiration from hikkidom is quite obvious, so he was aware of those threads. If you follow the timeline, it feels like he kept adding a few updates for people to hunt the secrets, most of the hidden things were added later on.
I feel like the scope he had in mind was a smaller game for a niche audience, and it ended up growing big unexpectedly. Not even talking about the west, the game getting popular in niconico back then was already a big boom.

I wonder if he stopped updating because of that, or he got bored of it, or what else happened. It's not like he hates the game like Koronba with LCD DEM since he approved the 3D game and such.

>>44983477
Oh and also, at least the author of .flow has done a full playthrough of .flow, with commentary.
And some 2kki devs have done tours around their worlds while explaining them a bit in the Online version.

>>44972355
>review complains about the game being too mainstream and fanonized, and how it was better when you just found this creepy game on a forum back in the day and just played it not knowing what it was at all
that happened to me
except i just didnt enjoy the game when i did that, i assumed the game was just showing off some lame art and didnt have any depth, i only realized it was good when i heard about the other aspects of the game because people talked about it

>>44983528
Depends on when you found it, what was your mental state when you found it, and so on.
An rpgmaker game with no dialogue or fights was unheard of.
If I think of something that nowadays still suffers from what you say, is the Bike Effect. If one is new to the game and doesn't know anything about it, the difficulty of navigating looping worlds and Mado's slow speed might turn them away from it.
If they have heard about the game, they'll probably rush to the bike so theycan check out all the interesting places people talk about.
After knowing the game, people kinda tend to use more the rest of the effects because there's no rush.

>>44983477
>I wonder if he stopped updating because of that, or he got bored of it, or what else happened
I wouldn't be surprised if all the attention on his small passion project overwhelmed him. Like you said, he probably didn't feel like adding any more of himself into a work that overstepped his expected audience.
Shows just how private a person he is where most people, even other hikkiNEETs, would jump on that popularity train to make a name for themselves.

>>44972355
Yume Nikki watercolours are peak.

>>44984724
YN has gotten lots of great fanart over the years. These numbered pics are from 2013, rip my older HDDs.

I want to play yume nikki but I think I'm too stupid to play it blind

>>44985668
Blind is the way to go, the less you know the better the impact. I did a blind playthrough years ago and got all but 2 effects before resorting to a guide.

>>44986053
Yeah, this is the way nowadays.
You start blind (or you look up just the bike) and play like that. Then after a while you check a guide. But yeah, let yourself be surprised by what you find.

>>44983477
i missed the story about LCDDEM and its dev. what happened to it? it was in its very early stages of development when i downloaded it

>>44993300
the tl;dr was it was all going fine until Koronba did a sudden 180. deleted the game and posted something along the lines of "do not talk about LCD DEM, do not share LCD DEM, erase everything about LCD DEM", and also deleted his other music and pretty much vanished.
Naturally this triggered a Streissand Effect and got some people interested in it. They gathered his music and other music he made using other pseudonyms, people meme'd about the situation, youtubers milked the mystery, etc.
At least that's my recalling of the events.

Here are more detail about it:
https://uboachan.fandom.com/wiki/Koronba

>>44985668
I did this.
Played it blind for some hours. Wandered around aimlessly lost through various dreamscapes not doing anything.
I thought "this is cool but I guess there is no gameplay besides wandering around aimlessly or a way to 'finish' the 'game'"
And so I got bored, quit, and left it for later – which never came.

>>44986053
>>44986447
I wanted to go fully blind and swore to get all the effects by myself and here I am now, with a single effect missing after years of searching that I don't know where to find kek. I even downloaded Yume 2kki but can't bring myself to play it until I beat the other one, yet I have played the first one for so many hours (it's my favourite game, after all) that I lack the motivation to go through all the worlds again. But I will. Someday I will find the last effect.

>>44994637
Do you want a subtle hint for what you're missing? if you list the ones you have.

>>44994637
have you tried sleeping in a bunch of beds yet
eventually you'll be taken to a new world

>>44998717
The truth is, a few months back, I watched a little bit of a Yume Nikki video (same western hyper long analysis bullshit), and now I know the effect I am missing. I think I will leave it at that, and try to find it myself, but thank you for the offer.
>>44999868
I have slept in all of them, I think. Went to Mars already (that was a big surprise to me). I think I am going to play tonight, and check the ones I remember, though.

>>45000588
nah i was getting at the mars thing

It's fucking crazy how big 2kki has gotten over the years. And it keeps getting updated. Who knows how it will look like in another 10 years.
https://2kki.app/

>>44999868
>>45000684
>>44994637
Sorry for derailing the thread, but holy shit, I just beat the game. The last effect missing was Poop Hair, an actually quite easy to get effect, truth be told. What an unforgettable experience that whole game was. Now on to Yume 2kki, at last.

>>45016256
Congratulations anon! Feel free to look around about things you may have missed, like Uboa or FACE.
What did you think of the game? There are many theories, but personally I think what does best is to serve a world with no context, no surface-level relatability to the human experience other than hikkiNEETdom and loneliness. It just tingles the fine line between "I know how this works" and "I have no clue what is going on" that is so enjoyable.

Regarding 2kki, keep in mind without guides I don't think it's humanly possible to uncover everything unless you play for a few decades.
Finding all the effects and basic endings is somewhat doable, but the secret endings, wallpapers, things that unlock post-endings...
Of all the games, it feels like YN and .flow should be absolutely experienced alone, but 2kki fits well with the online experience, as it is a collaborative project since the beginning. Though if you try the online version, I think the optimal thing is to turn on Immersion Mode so it hides global chats, player counts and such so you can experience finding dreamers doing their own thing in some random deep dream world.

>>45018057
I want to elaborate on my thoughts about 2kki and online.
The impression most players (and anons) had about 2kki, historically speaking, was that 2kki is less focused but broader and more vast due to the defining feature being a collaborative project. The opposite would be .flow, which is extremely focused on its themes, and more compact. This can be a good or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it. At the end of the day, it offers a different experience.
Generally, each contributing author have their unique style that you end up recognizing. Like, you can end up recognizing how a world is made on the wataru style, or the noildoof style, and so on. However, bits and pieces of lore about Urotsuki are generally spread out around and you can end up having a general idea of her situation.
However the endings are completely divergent, so there's no definite canon, story wise.

>>45018191

About the Online version:
While 2kki has its roots in the JP community and the 2chan YN threads. Basically the development story of Online is someone came up with a way to turn EasyRPG engine games into multiplayer, and uploaded it on a github. Initially, it was just YN as a proof of concept.

Soon after, people started talks about how this would specially fit 2kki due to its nature. A little bit after the basic structure was formed and people started playing, the JP devs became aware of the project and requested 2kki online to be shut down, by concerns about how a multiplayer mode would affect the intended experience, as well as the possibility of the project owners fucking with the content the authors made.

2kki was shut down, but talks started between the 2kki devs and the online devs. Back and forth negotiations ended with an agreement for online to host 2kki, as long as a sort of contract was respected: To not modify the ingame files whatsoever, to not claim it's the main "2kki experience", to not overtake or claim ownership over 2kki, and so on. This was not a problem, as all the Online systems are wrappers around the base game files so there was no need to touch anything inside.

2kki online was reinstated, and online devs added content around exploring the game, such as expeditions, badges, chats. Some 2kki devs appear from time to time and lead guided expeditions around the worlds they've made.

>>45018257
Community-wise: Online 2kki has all kinds of people, but it seems to have a lot of the usual young users from various countries that are attracted to free games with no high end PC requirements. Take that as you will.
You can also expect some of the sort of creatures that usually dwell within discord-related spaces, if that bothers you.
The biggest userbases are english and/or spanish speaking, but there's also koreans, russians, and japanese. The japanese tend to appear and form parties at certain hours (good JST timezones). Some people like the author of .flow also visit the game sometimes.

Overall people are quite chill. I like how sometimes, with no words but just behavior, flashmobs form of people using certain effects in the Nexus, or some people start following others around and so and expeditions are formed up on the fly to go to to some arbitrary world.

I generally stick to either observe it all develop as a disattached observer, or toggle Immersion Mode and explore around, and if I find a random dreamer in some world, exchange a brief conversation. Though sometimes just following some dreamers around is fun too.
I find this to be like experiencing an interconnected dreamworld, sort of a collective unconscious, so there's a strong argument for a chat, and words in general, to alter the experience, but overall if you don't go so far so as to treat it as a Club Penguin kind of thing, it's quite nice to have a talk here and there.

>>45018057
Thank you so much for your kind words, anon. The reason I like this game so much is because it represents, in my opinion, the quintessence of a gaming experience. By that I mean discovery. Games have, of course, developed a grammar and an insane amount of rules that, as a "smart gamer" (I am throwing a reference around, don't be bothered by it) you just get to know. That is "convenient", in a way, and many times allows for "content" (more enemies, bigger inventory, bigger skill trees, etc. Then there is the narrative aspect of it, which has become more and more specific and strict through time, so as to resemble other mediums from which games had to "learn": the lineal/river stories with lots of text from novels, and the dreaded cutscenes from movies. It is obvious that it works for many people, and I am not necessarily bashing at it; I just personally don't like it too much, and get bored playing most games (it might be a me problem though).
Yume Nikki is just an almost clairvoyant answer to the current state of gaming. It throws you into a world that not only plays with the rules (the obvious 5 first minutes with the door, for example), but most of the times it doesn't have them! You don't know what is going to happen in this session: maybe you will wander aimlessly for an hour before getting bored and quitting, or, maybe, just maybe, you will discover a pyramid in the middle of a dessert you thought you knew whose staircases lead you to the sky and, finally, a black and white room with mysterious flowers of unknown origin and purpose. Precisely because most of the time effects aren't necessary, the moments you discover a situation when you need them feel true, I guess, feels like you have really discovered something, not just followed the dev’s whims. There are times where you don't discover anything, but that just elevates the moments when you do, and when you do, man, I have had goosebumps about those moments. And I find the vagueness of the experience, since I think it really doesn't tell you a story, just really captivating. As you say elsewhere, a kind of collective unconscious (albeit from a single person), and I am a sucker for Jung, so of course I love that.
Hm, the Face... I think I may or may not know that one, but I won't ask. I have had my Yume Nikki experience and it may be different from others but that's good too.

>>45018443
Thank you so much for the 2kki posts too, they are so interesting. The things you have talked about are so fascinating to me, it really feels like a collective unconscious of sorts. I can see Yume 2kki is a different beast, and I should treat it accordingly, so thank you again for your tips. I am very excited to plunge into the experience, maybe tonight. What you said about the multiplayer isn't so true, btw; my father and another girl met in a dream the day before they even got to know each other. So it IS possible, just not usual, I guess.

Maaaaaan, that was amazing. I think I am gonna play this one for a long time to come.

>>45030787
I really enjoyed your pov on why Yume Nikki is interesting. Have seen many explanations over the years, but never this reasoning about how it's kind of the soul that games, as a medium, are forgetting. I'm also quite a Jung reader, so hell yeah regarding that.

>>45030830
2kki behavior is so layered. You have your own experience, what Urotsuki's experience could be, the layer of the people playing the game as a collective, and the layer of the devs, their contributions, styles, dramas, those who join, those who left.... It's nice to just wander around and observe it all happen in real time.
And very interesting story you have with your father. I've had a few prophetic dreams and other kinds of meaningful dreams beyond the usual too.

Have fun with the game, and also consider trying out .flow, I love YN and many of the fangames, but .flow is my favorite one.

>>45034408
Here's one of those special dreams. When I was younger (maybe I still do?), I had a whole consistent dreamworld.
The hub so to speak was a medium-sized city built in a different style than mine, with a river entering it from a side, and forming a lake at the center, with an island which had a huge mall at the center of it.

What's batshit insane, is the size, the consistence, and the persistent nature of it.
For more almost two decades, from time to time I would dream of it, finding myself in different starting spots. Every single time, the whole thing was consistent. To the point, if I was lucid, I could take bus trips because I knew when I could get off the bus to go somewhere. Multiple district long rides, bridges....
In the city I wandered many times through the streets, visited a theme park in the outskirts, bars with different arcade machines, schools, universities, hospitals, festival shops, pawnshops, bakeries...
Many, many long dreams entirely happening in that mall in the center, which also had a train station. Mall was huge so I could spend many dreams just looking around the shops, games, clothing, books, arcades, food. Whole dreams playing at the arcades, I finished in there at least a gun game similar to Time Crisis, I can still vividly remember some stages.
The train was also usable, usually taking you to an agricultural village. It was fun to walk on top of the big walls surrounding the different plant fields, or just walking through the old streets, or go south to a river very close to the village.
From there you could go walking or with a car to another village, a few mountain paths and a few ruins. Lots of detail, always consistent.

I've been getting there fewer and fewer times... hopefully the frequency increases again.
Just incredible.

>>45034665
This is deeply disturbing, every single word. Damn, even a theme park in the outskirts. Except for the mall, my mall felt somewhere a bit northeast of the central skyscraper. Was your city also snowy most of the time?

>>45034810
Well, my mall was huge and tall rather than long, so I guess it was technically a skyscrapper?
Not much snow though. Sometimes rain, most of the time ranging between morning time and sunset light. Or night.
I wouldn't discard shared dreams, since one time a friend dreamt about it, but he was in the opposite place I was.
So I was in the industrial area, looking towards the other side of the lake (with the mall island in the middle). And my friend was looking at the industrial area from that other side. When he told me, he described some towers and industrial buildings, same sight as were I was at.
It only happened once though.

>>45034810
By the way, I recognize the .flow tracks in that sound image, but it's unsettling how searching the image song by audio search got me this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da3FD1IZZ78
Since sabitsuki = rusted moon
And this is called "Red Moon"
Quite the coincidence.

>>45034408
I only played for an hour or so yesterday, but I can feel already that this experience is going to be by far richer than that of Yume Nikki. It is the first time in a long while I have been so excited about a game, honestly.

>>45034665
Holy shit. OK, color me impressed, anon. What an amazing read. I guess it is normal for YN fans, but it is clear you do have something special, whatever it is, so treat it with care.

>>45034810
Does that mean you had the same kind of dream too?

Have some music:
A great remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PW_DSHS6w

And a great remix album:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL20B35283715BF385

>>45035295
I see. Very interesting.
The industrial area had a big impact on the surrounding areas for me. The lake... Have you ever seen a couple of tall brick apartment building ruins in that lake? Maybe some unfinished buildings somewhere nearby?
>>45035543
Hehe.
https://archive.org/details/dot-flow-jazz/
Found it in 2020 after trying the new update.
>>45037106
I guess so. For almost two decades too.

>>45046813
Thanks for that album, never knew about it.

Same for me about the industrial area. Regarding the buildings on the mall island, I'm not sure. I generally focused on the mall every time I was there, though I have a vague knowledge of the area not being just empty besides the mall, just never caught my attention. Did you have interesting dreams regarding that area?

>>45046813
>>45051058
Well, you may have discovered something kinda important. There may be some other people who dreamt of the same city, if it is to be more than a coincidence. Did any of you encounter other people while in the city? Did the city undergo changes throughout the years?
I hope I am not derailing the thread by asking these questions, since this is as Yume Nikki as it gets.
Thanks for the songs, btw. I will be listening to them in the coming days.

I recently got a new phone and wanted to use something Yume Nikki for a lock screen. Can you guys send me tall Yume Nikki artwork? Preferably not too bright.

>>45061451
I like this one (compressed for 4chan; artist is 9twoeight if you want full quality), but I'm worried I'll scare people if I take out my phone on the train or something.

>>45005249
2kki online really accelerated the production too. We started seeing a lot more experimentation even outside of qxy stuff, with some 3D maps being WIP. Not to mention them finally fleshing out masks more, to the point each one has sitting animations.
Taking random people or my friends to cool maps i know is a good time. Sometimes i'll just run into someone deep on the way to ToV, Depths or some other place and we'll start traveling together without a word.
I still wouldn't recommend 2kki online as the first way to experience the game, but 2kki is a game you'd never be able to fully explore blindly (or even beat, thanks to the bat effect) so eventually switching to online and just going delving with other people to more obscure areas seems like a good time to me. I played this game to hell and back even before wataru left, yet i missed so many early connections from places that seemed like a "dead end"

>>45063475
>2kki online really accelerated the production too
I've noticed this, is this the reason for so many patches lately? or is it the usual "welp something broke, better fix it in the next patch, welp something broke again, repeat" kind of thing?

>>45072317

>>45051058
I had some. I just remembered that particular dream scene when you mentioned the lake. Do you have a dream diary?
>>45052120
>Did any of you encounter other people while in the city?
Of course, if you're talking about the dream dwellers. But if humans... I'm sure I've met some. They felt different and out of place, they had an unfamiliar scent.
>Did the city undergo changes throughout the years?
Not really. Well, maybe. It feels emptier and more gloomy. It's like it's constantly deteriorating. Maybe it's just me.

So sleepy.

>>45073199
I'd say its both. Because i do spot some fixes that are made to make the experience smoother on online. It used to be so rough when it first started but now even shadows and tints work properly for other players on the screen.
They even made boats keep your worn mask, so people can bring them to deeper areas when they just wanna take things slow.

>>45095223
I've never seen this talked about, but really one of my favorite elements 2kki introduced to the Yume Nikki "genre" is the boats. It's such a little unnoticeable thing, but so important in impact.
Boats allow for exploration of surface liquid-heavy areas, which unlocks a whole new creative space.
For me, it's one of the very few things in 2kki that is a straight up mechanical upgrade over Yume Nikki's "use frog to walk on shallow water" mechanic.

You can see similar experiments in mechanical upgrade in fangames regarding the problem of the Bike Effect.
>looping worlds make walking speed to places too obtuse for most people
>the presence of Bike Effect fixes this, but it reinforces the feelings of slow from walk speed
>it also overtakes effect usage almost completely unless you are using other effects on purpose

2kki's wolf-bike combo feels like an experiment in trying to fix this issue, but the end result is everyone tends to favor wolf-bike over just bike and the issue remains.
The other temptative fix is fangames who have a key for running speed that is unrelated to any concrete effect. This is a good fix in theory, but then, why bother having normal walkspeed in the first place? It also pushes the "overall speed" of a YN game towards zoomzoom which detracts from the experience.
So basically there's no "boat-tier" fix for the Bike problem yet.

>>45099466
Specifically for 2kki Online I feel the best current idea is to have the run button. It's fun and useful to have dreamers using a variety of effects while going somewhere, but currently you need to swap to bike if you need to catch up with the group or traverse a dangerous area, and then go back to the effect (this also makes you lose the mask)

For other games or singleplayer 2kki I'm not sure.

>>45061451
I've used this one for years. A lot of people don't notice Madotsuki and think it's just paint splatter.

>>45099466
Nocturnal Grove's boat section is one of the prettiest Yume Nikki fangame areas ever, i really love the areas that use boats and i'm glad they work great with online now too. (Last time i went there with someone his sprite got stuck at the entrance of the map even though he was moving along with me)
For the bike issue i'm honestly fine with taking things slowly with masks or other effects, taking the scenery in and taking a minute long break every time we find a bench with a vending machine, taking detours to optional rooms and such. I feel like people ignore the "journey" part of getting to a deep world. You should spend time in all qxy/wataru maps, rather than racing to Lavender Waters or The Depths as fast as possible to get the most out of the experience.
>>45099560
Going through chaser maps with mask really can be a problem. It took me many tries to go to the giant toilet wearing mask with a group of three.
We had to remove the masks anyway to head to the Dream Pool, but it made for a good memory and screenshot.

>>44972355
this feels weird

>>45063475
>2kki online
Never knew this existed. T-hanks!

>>44972355
Do people still care about the series?

author of .flow about to stream some 2kki Online in 10min

>>45138239
Again, hehe. I got distracted on the way to the French Street.

>>45139100
I managed to join them, about 10 people. Fucking around in the Travel Hotel was super comfy. qxy maps are so good.

>>45139174
Yeah, I thought I'll pass today because following lol is a chore, but you managed to find me at the bathhouse dining hall.

>>45138225
yea i mean people are still finding out about it
i've known about it since i was a kid but only just played it

Oh.

>>45150049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS1ZbaLuOlk
mushroom mushroom

>>45138225
2kki online gets at least 200 players at all times
70 was a high point 2~3 years ago

>>45150430
why play this type of game online anyways? it feels like adding more players would ruin immersion

>>45151004
It has a different kind of appeal. Meeting some random guy in a random far off world is an unique feeling, sitting together for a second and then heading our separate ways. Other than that it's good for taking friends to deep places they would've otherwise needed to wikiscum to even find out it existed.
It's enjoyable as long as you don't treat it as a chatroom and turn stuff like expeditions/global chat off.

>>45151998
this. I don't think YN or most fangames really need online, but 2kki's size really benefits from it.
Also nice to see fangame creators and 2kki devs playing it too.

>>45151998
i mean, these kinds of games are meant to have a vague sense of horror to them, which is mostly psyochological
when you get distracted by people you remove whats special about it
i havent finished yume 2kki yet but nikki and .flow definitely seem like games you should play alone

>>45162083
I agree about Nikki and .flow.

They call her Urotsuki cause she's erotic.

>>45181316
dumb tit cat

i dont know why but uro's haircut gives off the feeling that she's unintelligent and childish

>>45184481
It's the kong haircut so thats normal

>>44993552
Adding onto this, Koronba just hates being known. That's why they've got like a dozen different accounts and potentially a dozen more, with countless copycats. I'd say it's honestly worth a thread here on its own, but the proper uboachan (it had a fucking Fandom? Ew.) already keeps on top of that stuff so a /jp/ thread'd just be wasted.

>>45184481
Dream Park, Toy World, child effect, how getting into baddies bar requires stretch effect, etc... does paint Uro as someone who's either young, childish or whose childhood heavily influences her current self.

>>45122599
I will always remember Nocturnal Grove. The moment you step on the lake and the stars become visible, the TV comet event, the music fading in as the view of the lake unveils in front of you... Its pure magic. I have explored this game close to its entirety and i still feel this is one of the best worlds ever.

On the mask topic, Eyeball Cherry is traversable with masks on without being caught by the chaser pretty easily. You just have to make sure to walk on the right side. May help you to know the next time you get people there.

I WILL NOT SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR REDDIT THEORY ABOUT THE NIKKI CHARACTERS BEING TRANSGENDER
I WILL NOT SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR REDDIT THEORY ABOUT THE NIKKI CHARACTERS BEING TRANSGENDER
I WILL NOT SUBSCRIBE TO YOUR REDDIT THEORY ABOUT THE NIKKI CHARACTERS BEING TRANSGENDER

>>45190410
>reddit theory
Bruv I was reading this kind of shit on uboachan back in 2009. There's obvious scenes of violence and femininity in Madotsuki's dreams, correlating them to mutilation and identity problems isn't as big a reach as you think.
Hate it if you want but calling it a reddit theory is shallow.

>>45190457
Back then the most popular of that sort of annoying western, tumblrcore theories was the classic madowasraped (kyuukyuu-kun into FACE event, etc) which got spammed everywhere. The tranny theory was niche in comparison, only really having the "mado can piss in the boys toilet" thing. At least Uro has the Boy and Schoolboy effect if you want to go down that road (but also feminine ones like Maiko or Twintails so yeah).


meta rant, feel free to ignore:
I hate how confused western teenagers turned literally every subject on the internet into an all-devouring black hole of sex/gender issues talk. Same goes for the coomers, just look at the state of Type Moon, specially FGO. Same for ironic shitposting in 4chan threads, and also /pol/ discussion flooding everything. Those 4 are the Four Horsemen of the Internet Apocalypse that liquefy every topic under the sun into the same high-noise, low-signal sewage, just with different flavors.

this thread needs more music
I'd post 24EFFECTS but I assume everyone and their mother knows about it by now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9jdsua9lUI
So have an old meme song.

>>45194375
yea when you actually read a type moon vn you realize that the author doesnt give a single shit about making the lore all about weird coomer stuff and that you shouldnt take fanservice seriously
for example in one of the tsuhikime novels shiki gets a footjob from a fucking loli catgirl and you lose nothing from skipping it, this was in like fucking 2001 btw

>>45204190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRH2ebarKXo
i've been listening a lot to this band
a lot of their "music" are just indiscernible ringing and buzzing noises on frequencies so high they're banned on youtube with some vocaloid moaning strewn in

>>45194375
>I hate how confused western teenagers turned literally every subject on the internet into an all-devouring black hole of sex/gender issues talk.
I couldn't agree more. I've got nothing against whatever the hell people wanna do with their lives, I'm in no place to judge by virtue of being a NEET whose still retarded enough to post on /jp/ in current year, but I'd really really like to be able to talk to people about this game and some others without it descending into egg this and egg that. There's more than a handful of games where that is a prevalent thing either intentionally or retroactively and I get that, but it'd be nice if people could have more than just that one theory, since in general subscribing to just one is just so boring and means when that discussion is over your partner has nothing else to say. And that's to say nothing of how vitriolic people get when you push back on topics like the ones you mentioned, kinda like how the aforementioned FGO coomers go completely fucking insane when you point out Raikou is an incredibly ugly character who looks like she was bodyjacked/twisted in half and that 100% of the reason why anyone likes her is because of the fanart.

Anniversary next year.

>>45212459
madotsuki with half-asleep depressed looking eyes feels like an entirely different character

>>45212492
that set of pics, specially vomitsuki, used to be EVERYWHERE on 4chan many years ago. To the point people were mad it was skewing perception of madotsuki's character

>>45212527
i think it fits the game's intention though, shes a suicidal neet with mental issues doing drugs and has likely killed or severely injured someone with a car

>>45212683
Yeah, I imagine something like the female equivalent of the protagonist of the (novel version) of Welcome to the NHK, freely acquiring legally questionable substances and going ham on them in the misery of a dingy living space, alone.

>>45213965
i still need to read the nhk manga
the clues about how mentally ill the mc is are subtle in the anime and then i see a page from the manga and realize he's just outright doing drugs and its not just some comedic thing they're doing for the show

>>45217724
Well drugs or not it wouldn't be wild for someone so isolated to develop neurosis overtime - 2020 was a huge wakeup call for normies in that regard, but most people who've been NEETs or hikki for years can relate to that much.
I'd have to re-read, but I'm pretty sure he got mail-order drugs in a way that is just boringly common these days, but back then was novel and unenforced. No idea what specifically they took, probably based on the author's experiences.

>>45219920
you say boringly common but anything beyond alcohol and tobacco in japan is as taboo as prostitution or assault
although i know alcohol is probably stronger than many common drugs out there

>>45220833
>anything beyond alcohol and tobacco in japan is as taboo as prostitution or assault
Really?

man this game is definitely one of the most memorable games i've ever played. first time i knew about this game is from the vomitsukis (lol) i've seen everywhere since middle school but only got the chance to play it 2 yrs ago. amazing artstyle & coloring, mado being depicted as having issues but shown expressionless is so on-point, a cute character traversing mesmerizing and insane dreams is a symphony, and the effects collecting gameplay may seem plain simple and boring but that's only true for the first 5-10 effects, while the rest require patience and tenacity to find
sry if my blogpost seems stupid/annoying, all i wanna say is that YN and all its fangames (currently exploring them) are all very interesting and beautiful, an adventure game which doesn't monotonously tell you the story about knights and princesses or a wop/nigger/slav/etc climbing the stairs of gangsterhood, and i hope at the very least kikiyama won't 404 this game in the future like what koronba did to LcdDem

>>45224367
Nah don't worry, this game is way past the threat of being koronba'd. Kikiyama even did a recent interview with Toby Fox.
The only thing is I'll always wonder what else could have been added past the current version.

>>45221678
you can tell just by the fact that you've never seen drugs being used in japanese media unless its for a denpa vn about mental illnesses or an ntr doujin
other than a few outlying cases

>>45224498
I still can't get over the fact that annoying dog managed to pull Kikiyama out for an interview. I wonder if Yume Nikki was partially coded in a Denny's?

>>45194375
>>45211740
Retarded takes

Join me in the futon

>>45231626
hi NOMOIDA, your Shenmu review was alright

Was there ever any explanation for this?

>>45225205
You are absolutely right; it's just that I've seen so many bizarre things in Japanese media that I always thought some of them were influenced by drug use. Of course, you don't need drugs to make weird shit

>>45220833
Fair pint, I mean in the context of intoverted NEETs. Like if you knew where to ask around on text boards, on those boards the topic would be boringly common.
The fact that I cannot readily name any by name, or have little idea about how much you could talk about drugs on say 2ch in the 00s, shows the limitation of my knowledge.

4chinz is back, that was quite the downtime.

>>45231863
No, but it's too much to be a coincidence.
>mado
>vomiting creatures
>the monkeys
Paracas textiles, such a strange thing to find for a jap in the 00's

>>45242178

>>45249106
man, why is .flow so much more nostalgic feeling compared to the other games
the whole story is about the slow descent of sabitsuki's story and the more you explore the game the more depressing it gets
but what gets me more than anything is how hard she tried to live the way she wanted as she was dying

>>45249384
What gets me is not only Sabi, the whole adventure and the struggle though I've heard lol is working on a sequel? Sugar Float? though it may or may not include Sabi but also Oreko, specially the scenes in the morgue

>>45249578

>>45249384
And it feels so dreamlike and familiar.

It's nice to see the thread is still up.
I am the user who finally finished the original game after many years without a single guide, and now I am getting progressively deeper into Yume 2kki. But after a few weeks in, I have realized I am starting to have a hard time with this game, because I just don’t know how you are supposed to enjoy it.
For example, the game is supposed to be played alone, as all YN games are. I’d say the individual experience is almost an essential component of a real Yume Nikki playthrough. Yet the online version also offers an incredibly rich experience, with the possibility to explore the territory with newfound friends, which indeed may be mandatory for some parts, since otherwise you won’t be able discover certain maps (or so I have been told), so much so I am not even sure if Yume 2kki is complete anymore without YNO.
The game is supposed to be played without a map, therefore why the original game lacked one. Getting lost on Yume Nikki is one of its main points. Yet playing without a map on Yume 2kki is akin to suicide, and so I found a program, Obsidian, to help me “cartography” the whole of Urotsuki’s dream as I go.
The game has a rich history of different developers and collaborators and finding about the whole process is a part of the whole experience. Yet any information I look up may spoil a part of the game, which should be played as blindly as possible to maintain that sense of discovery the original has (and which the successor has not only retained but also has clearly has been greatly expanded).
The game wants you to enjoy the travel, rather than the destination. Every map should be enjoyed by itself, rather than as a means for the next one. However, part of the experience is getting progressively deeper into Urotsuki’s unconscious, in fact I would say the game practically asks you to do so, and indeed some of the most mysterious bits of the game seem to happen once you are way past the point of no return and almost of recalling your path hitherto. In practice, that means I am always turn between my wish to enjoy a particular map and the need to see what lies ahead.
Further into the maps. The game is intended as a whole, hence why the maps are interconnected and, well, why it is considered a single game rather than a handful of them (which could perfectly happen given the sheer magnitude of it). Yet it is clear not only that there is clearly no interconnected narrative here (which in my opinion there wasn’t in Yume Nikki either, and wasn’t needed), but also no “overall atmosphere” to it either (which Yume Nikki absolutely had, and it was one of its defining qualities). Urotsuki’s dream landscape certainly lacks the cohesiveness of Madotsuki’s, the former of which gives me the impression of being much more mentally sound, as her dreams convey the full range of emotions rather than only mostly negative ones. Which is not bad, really, just not as gripping for a character as Madotsuki’s ambiguous angst.
Even further into the maps, the quality between the maps differs vastly, and some of them are amazing (with a few that I have found to be memorable, even better than the best Yume Nikki maps) while other are mediocre, and a few have managed to irritate me (there is one monochrome map with the constant mooing of a cow where I had to turn off the volume). What’s worse, some of the worst maps in the game could lead to some of the absolute best (I particularly remember a certain bridge which leads to a certain shrine), or vice versa, which adds to the feeling of general dissonance as a whole.
What to do with the mazes of this game? Do I painstakingly try to draw them and rack my brain trying to find whether I am in any of the 4 similar sections I already passed through ( and which one?!) or if it is a new one? Or do I just try to butthead it after mentally preparing myself to end up in the same place for at least 10 times before I find something noteworthy?
All of these questions are hard to answer because, as the consensus goes, “there is no right answer”. You decide how to play this game, and all of the aforementioned conundrums can be answered both ways depending on your preferences. Each choice has its advantages and disadvantages. It’s all about how passive and how active you want your experience to be, the pain and gain, the conscious effort and the unconscious appeal of this subgenre (probably the biggest allure of Yume Nikki for me).
Indeed, many of my doubts could apply not only to Yume 2kki, but to the entire subgenre of YN fangames. I would go so far as to say the game is proving me, and addressing the challenges it poses could lead me not only to a better knowledge, but also to the betterment, of myself. But the scope of Yume 2kki makes these issues much more apparent, and the experience of the game much more ambivalent.
Picrel is an incredible map I found yesterday.

>>45267391
Oh, shit, that's quite the blog post. Sorry.
Also, I just realized I hadn't curated it lol. Here, again.

>>45267391
>>45267402
That's a great review of the sentiment when playing 2kki, it's strengths and weaknesses.
Overall is both a similar yet different experience to Yume Nikki. Seems like you got a good grip on it.
And as you said, you choose how you play it.
map Y/N? deep rushes Y/N? online Y/N? meticulously mapping vs hop in, wander, see where you end up. And so on.
It's all a consequence of applying the Yume Nikki formula to a collaborative game spanning years and years of development.
As I mentioned before, 2kki is "widespread, low cohesion" end of the spectrum, while .flow is the "focused, high cohesion" other end of the spectrum. With YN in the middle.

>>45268732
Definitely the more I hear people talk about .flow, the more I want to play it. I will definitely do so in the near future, especially considering it probably won't take as long to "play" as 2kki.

>>45270308
You won't regret it.

I think I may have stumbled upon my first wataru map... what a fucking trip that was.

How is your progress?

>>45289305
I made the fateful decision to map the maze just after the world of the shore I documented above.
Now I regret it. Everything in Yume 2kki needs to be bigger, and no physical medium I possess is enough to contain this area, and the multiple partitions were losing meaning as I went on. So now I am redoing it all in Paint, but even that is proving an effort, because the map loops, making it effectively impossible to recreate the zone faithfully. I will do it, regardless. Yes, I am becoming a little bit obsessed about this game.
But I needed to disconnect and started to watch the video that spawned this thread. "The best game of all time", huh... there are people definitely even crazier about it than I am. Its premise, to be the "definitive Yume Nikki video" is, in my opinion, detrimental to the whole of the message, but it still is the first ever analysis I have ever read or watched about this game, since I was always clear about avoiding any possible spoilers, so I will probably still watch it all. Feels good, man.

>>45289781
Oh, I always hated that map.

Was there another big patch recently?

>>45300675
Yes. Most of the maps were pretty shit though.

>>45300888
Too bad.

I've been out of the loop for at least 10 years, can I get a list of what fangames are worth playing these days? I remember playing .flow (loved it), 2kki (couldn't really get into it at the time), lcddem (didn't really like it) and the Neftelia games (I think I liked these ones a lot).

>>45309939
Woah, rare Neftelia mention, I also played that a decade ago or so.
As for fangames, the hot thing nowadays is 2kki in online mode I guess, but I find Deep Dreams to have some nice music, sound design and scenery too. Kinda like LCD DEM. I get not liking that one since it's a bit too empty for my tastes, but the music is great. And it has some memorable worlds to me, like the Stained Glass world, the Rice Fields which have a weird vibe of nostalgia, and the Aquarium. I liked the overgrown houses scenery too.

>>45314665
It's weird to think back to the time when things like Neftelia and LSD Dream Emulator had this mysterious and fascinating atmosphere around them. LSD in particular, when it wasn't as (relatively) well known as it is today, and we still weren't sure if it really had an ending or some kind of secret to it we hadn't discovered.

Shouts to a letsplayer I remember from those days (I think he's long since stopped uploading) who introduced me to some of these obscure weird games, MikeMnemonic.

>>45315845
MikeMnemonic, that name does ring a bell but vaguely, maybe I watched some video ages ago.
Personally first time I got into this sort of games was when Eversion released, back in 2008. Around the same time I saw Yume Nikki threads in /v/.

I would like to ask what is the situation with Wataru like. It seems he is the favourite Yume 2kki developer for many, which brought a lot of stress to him and made him quit. His maps were wiped off the game (I fucking hate that of jp artists btw). Then he comes back and his maps are brought back into the game. And... is that all? He will never make more content? Did he only come back to let the maps again into the game? I am not criticizing that at all, actually. I would totally endorse it. I just want to know because I got curious and there is little information on the Internet that I have seen.

>>45325227
I'm curious too.

>>45212492
Her eyes should remain shut. There's a reason the neko effect is so unsettling.

>>44985668
The object of blind play isn't to win in this case, it's just to explore. Use the guide to complete the rest when you get bored. best of both worlds

>>45308941
grim reminder that DvD will never be real...

>>45325227
As far as i am aware, watarus involvement has been mostly doing some contributions for other developers these last few years. If he is to come back and make more, only time will tell.

>>45344087

what us with that empty title youtube video with 32M views?

>>45354802
Which one?

Something to do with Koronba, I suppose?

>>45353850
>monoko will never look at me smugly after kicking my teeth in
why even live

>>45382397
>monoko
i meant monoe i am retarded

>>45063475
You can disable the online function of 2kki online, which just leaves you with a consistantly updated and translated version of the game. That's my reccomended way to play, because I'm lazy and having someone else do the work to set up Open RPG is ideal.

>>45382397
>>45382413

>>45334410
But the neko effect is cute.

Damn.

You're still playing, right?

>>45448793
NTA but i do play pretty regularely, atleast 2kki. Nikki i revisit from time to time, usually to re-do my fav parts of the game. There's other fangames i play semi-regularely, but well, there is only so much you can do, they end sooner than later, and its best to enjoy on moderation to not grow tiresome of what you loved about them in the first place. I am not fully sure if i will ever grow out of it... Been on it for way too long, but if its to ever happen i am just grateful i got to enjoy these games, to reflect about them, and about myself.

>>45451277
Me too. Good thing it gets new updates so often.

Hmm.

>>45289305
55%

>>45267402
This was one of the first maps I found when I first installed 2kki. I still visit it from time to time.

How unfortunate. Oh well.

Dream, dream, her dream is still going on...

>>45499360
New players always end up there somehow. It's a pretty memorable area, can't explain the why, but i am glad it happens.

Is this minigame also chance-based or am I missing something? It's impossible.
>>45518719
Is that so? Not really a new player, 2015, but they have added so many maps since then, I doubt I would end up there first if I started playing today. That area feels nostalgic to me, it looks so familiar, and it's very memorable too, yeah.

This is too good to let die.

Uh.

>>45526282
Agree, i dont want the thread to die yumebros...

>>45194375
>>45204203
>>45211740
>coomers
i disagree slightly on this. or i guess it depends on what you're referring to when you use that term. i tend to see more people complaining about other people sexualizing characters than i do people actually sexualizing characters (outside of spaces where sexualizing characters should just be expected, like in porn comments sections or something), and it strikes me as especially stupid when it's literally a vn/game that has sex scenes in it. to me, it strikes me as people going "sex is bad and you should feel bad for having a sex drive", and i disagree with that, i don't know what's particularly wrong with having feelings for a character, sexual or otherwise (within reason, i should note. obviously i think spam and outrage bait are annoying but i don't think it's as big of a problem as people like to make it out to be).
i do agree with everything else, confused teenagers on the internet recently are very annoying when it comes to discussing "safe" sexual themes (for lack of a better term), like the madowasraped theory or trans/egg stuff (though, in the case of specifically yume nikki, there should be some leeway i think. part of the appeal of this game is varied everyone's interpretation of it is). in the case of confused teenagers pushing trans stuff into every discussion, it just feels like either projection or validation bait.

>>45546996
Oh, I see it could be understood that way but when I wrote that I didn't meant some degree of sexualization, but rather as in when discussion about a series, game, character etc ends up completely overrun by coomers to the point people don't discuss anything else about it.
For example NieR/Drakengard threads in 4chan used to be as good as YN threads and were some of my favorites in the whole site, but when Automata came up they became just 2B butt / 9S shota posting with no actual discussion.
Gacha games are also already a shit genre anyways, but it has become sort of a standard too to call every new character a "waifu" and coompost about it endlessly, besides few exceptions.

>>45547387
And since we're at it, besides the spammy issue, the broken telephone effect caused by ironic weebs annoys the hell out of me. Waifu used to mean commitment, but ironic weebs are afraid of social judgement so they warped it into "any hot girl" with a tint of irony. And the same is happening with cunny becoming "any flat girl".
Cowards.

Any dreams lately?

>>45559162
i had a nightmare a while back in which my mother stabbed me to death in her SUV in front of my grandmother's house while wearing a comically exaggerated scowl.
...this unfortunately perfectly coincided with a really heated argument my mother and i would have a day later, where she still wore the same comically exaggerated scowl and stood in front of me, hands on hips in an almost childish fashion, to really let me know that she meant business, i guess. naturally, i'm still a bit shaken up over it. i can still hear her screaming at me for no particular reason even though she's currently not here, although now i'm more angry than i am anxious or scared.

>>45559162
Only the weirdest ones.

>>45567023
Those are the best ones.
Today I dreamt I was with a friend showing him and his parents my new home. It was next to a lake and the complex was partially submerged. Went through all the rooms and corridors, then underwater I showacased a crevice in the house which had weird alien eggs which I farmed, they were impressed.

>>45567050
How often do you see partially submerged buildings?

>>45559162
Too many to count.

Same.

I'm very glad I found this thread before it disappeared into the ether. It's a very good thread, it reminds me of discussions years ago I read anytime YN was brought up, about the nature of dreams and our experiences with them. This game somehow captured those ethereal feelings perfectly and drew them out of us, its impact cannot be understated despite how humble its origin is.

I long ago decided that if I could ever truly forget any single game so I could re-experience it for the first time, it would be Yume Nikki. As it is, finding out about 2kki being online is actually refreshing, because I never got very far in the game (the sheer size put me off) so I'm definitely going to go check that out.

Dreams are one of those phenomena that will perhaps never be understood by conventional science or logic. I've seen the future in my dreams plenty of times, rarely anything outstanding but it's something that always firmly grounds me in reality, reminding me that there's so much we can't hope to understand with pure logic. It's important that we don't lose that spirituality that modern society tries so hard to suppress, gut feelings and metaphysical connections are part of ourselves and have served us well over the thousands of years, and denying them can't be good for us in the long run.

>>45634126
I love that area. Sucks that it reminds me of the fact that we almost lost all of qxys stuff indefinitely.

I had an internal dialogue that feels like the same one KIKIYAMA probably went on when deciding to be so private and secretive
Which is, if you want your game to inculcate a deep sense of wonder in the player, it strongly compels you to minimize developer-audience interactions and let the player interpret for themselves.
Artist interviews in general are a bit sketchy, since the questions we most want answers to are the ones best left unanswered, like "What does this game really mean?" or " Is X theory true?" In the end, artists can only talk productively about their creative process or technical decisions, which tend not to generalize well to other artists. There are virtually no cases where an artist delivering a message works more effectively in real life, as opposed to delivering that same message via art and letting it all speak for itself, while letting all the other trivial stuff remain unspoken

i want to peak on erotsuki in the baths

>>45640297
Pretty much, this is also something lol_rust did when doing the commentated .flow playthrough. He barely mentioned any secret meaning but rather talked about how places look and technical or artistic aspects.
I think most indepth thing he said was that Sabi hates those flowers and plants.

>>45639755
Yep, mankind needs meaning, spirit and wonder as much as we need food or water. It's just not the body what dies when being deprived of it.

wow

>>45649852
this reminds me, I wonder what's the meaning of the 3 hidden rooms and the secret ending.
And the eggs and their related themes.

>>45652945
And the plants in them.

Happy New Year, dreamers

>>45639755
Dreams are much more than constructions of the mind, though you probably already know more than that...

>>44972355
YN is one of the most phenomenal games I have ever played, perhaps _the_ most phenomenal game I've ever played. There wasn't a moment of it where I wasn't in a state of calmness, tingling coursing through my body. If someone else doesn't get to it first I'd like to create a beautiful 3D rendition of it. I always think of that water planet from Interstellar as a great example of what such a thing would look like.

And now for some meta... I used to be? (Maybe still am?) a mod on Uboachan. Its an okay little site but its not as good as it used to be IMO. The whole tranny thing with Sei and people on the UC discord was extremely off-putting and I feel nothing but deep contempt for them.

Since Urotsuki’s dream is so diverse, strange and not grounded in any theme. Can we tell anything about her personality. She seems rather tomboyish, judging by her Chainsaw and Motorbike but aside from that anything else?

>>45671424
Happy New Year !!!

Happy New Year.

>>45673188
She looks so cool with the gakuran effect.

>>45671642
UC?

>>45691818
uboachan, probably

>>45099466
i agree, i love the boats
i wonder what it would be like if most maps were designed for walk speed instead of bike speed, so in general the maps would be smaller and things would be closer together.
and then the bike was treated the same way as the boats and it would only be available on long roads, like the highway, or other areas where it would make sense
though maybe that would just feel kind of like an arbitrary restriction, and maybe lots of maps would end up with the opposite problem of feeling too small and dense

>>45547465
>Waifu used to mean commitment
Wow I actually totally forgot about that

>>45693819
thanks

>>44972355
Ugh couldn't make it past 5 minutes of this video.
Does he have to sound so pretentious and have the fucking avatar on the screen the whole time like some shitty vtuber.

>>45694588
Smaller but more detailed maps are always nice either way.

>>45693819
>uboachan
disgusting

>>45673188
She really enjoys all kinds of tasty stuff it seems.

>>45754488
What is there to even hate about the board? It's dead enough that you can count the posts it gets daily on your hands, basically just a resource board nowadays.

Hmm.

I'm not fond of fan made sequels, I feel like dreams and death are too interconnected and, like it or not, the game has to end with the ultimate form of escapism, that's why the game doesn't work with a different protagonist or a different ending.
Even the greeks understood the relationship between dreams, chaos and dead; Nyx and Erebus form a couple representing night and darkness. Their son, Hypnos, the god of sleep, is the father of Morpheus, who specifically governs dreams, along with other sons Ikelos, Phobetor, and Phantasos, each personifying different aspects of dreaming (they're called Oneiros). Thanatos, another child of Nyx, personifies death, similar to Hades. Although not directly related to Oneiros, Hades shares the realm of death and darkness. This network of deities reflects the complexity and interconnectedness of concepts such as sleep, darkness, dreams, death, and chaos. The point being, there's a logical path, the game is not about dreams, it's about death, the dream is just part of the journey, but it has to come to an end, and trying to keep the game alive is counterproductive, they're trying to disrupt the eternal darkness

>>45786688
.flow is good with that though, its much more about internal and external struggle, and deals with impending death rather than suicide

>>45786952
I'll check it out

>>45786952
Yeah .flow is really good.

>>45810214
good image

>>45810214
This specific area of the game (and image) is so good, so iconic. The scenery, composition, the blur, the giant creature.
I remember having dreams as a kid like that, about giant creatures, specifically wandering in the blurred layer just before the horizon.
I wonder what is is about psychologically.

>>44972355
>go to their twitter
>it's full of brony shit
lmao hard pass

>>45833312
Same. It looks and feels so familiar.

watched the first hour or so of OP's video and decided it was time to start playing this game for real some days ago, somehow I never spoiled myself on effect locations after a decade and a half of being on the internetz, though it was inevitable id get spoiled on uboa, surprisingly enough I dont remember being spoiled on anything else, so im basically 100% blind
thing is, I feel like I hit a wall, havent found anything in the past two hours, got 16 effects not counting the game manual, so I got impatient and decided to ask for directions for some particularly difficult to get effect, could be any, just the first door to take from the hub is enough for me, found 2-3 new rooms tonight at least, right now im trying to find the mars event again since I didnt have many effects the first time I went through it, so hopefully I can do something there this time, also FIENDING for the bike, would make all the traveling more tolerable

>>45844046
Good job actually getting so far without the bike,
Do you want a tip for how to get the bike? which door?

>>45844046
Right after this I got Blonde and Poop Hair lol, cant believe I missed them before, so now im just missing six effects
>>45845569
Yes, either the door I should take from the hub or the specific one that leads me to the room where the bike is, both dont really tell me where exactly it is so thats good enough for me

>>45846115
This is all you need to know

>>45847845
Thanks mister

well instead of looking for the bike I went to revisit other places and managed to find the towel and triangle kerchief, the zone where the latter is surprised me because I didnt get to enter it the first time, so I was caught off guard by a new area
only missing 4 effects, might use a guide at this point, but ill give it some more time before that, im still having plenty of fun to just end it now
wonder if theres any aread I could phase through with the kerchief

well, I did it, what a fun experience, I can see why this was making the rounds in old internet back then, it certainly deserved the attention
I will now proceed to play yume nikki gensou then .flow, and i guess ill be going into 2kki after, but im not sure if ill go solo or online

>>45859772
Good job anon! did you enjoy the ending

>>45862005
I actually got spoiled on it years ago which sucks, but it still had me thinking about it for a bit, seeing her do that still hit though.
I like to believe it was a false awakening or something and that she's actually fine after the ending, but unless Kikiyama himself comes back to confirm her fate, then it's still ambiguous to me.
To my knowledge .flow is much more linear and smaller, so im looking forward to it, YN Gensou is pretty fun so far, nice music for sure and im glad I get more OG YN content, might look into Yume Nikki 3D and Dream Diary, but from im reading up on the latter, it's not entirely convincing.
Also really glad I can properly be part of the fanbase after so many years.

Nice. Good luck with .flow.

>>45863311
I played YN3D back in the day when it released. It was interesting to see a fangame made in the Build Engine (duke nukem 3d's).
The new areas were nice and so were the classic ones, it was the first time I saw a 3D version of the YN worlds. Nowadays there's also YN worlds made in VRChat and there's seems to be a few vaporware projects of people remaking YN in 3D though they seem to get nowhere.
The author of .flow has some videos exploring some of these 3D YN worlds in VRChat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWgAop13LtY

As for Dream Diary, it was meh. A curiosity but nothing special.

Pic is a Sabi I made in Tower of Fantasy as my PC.

>>45204310
Just wanted to say your post got me absolutely hooked on their music. I love LaLa's decrepit voice.

>>45876471
Cute Sabi.

Is there a limit to how many effects you can obtain in .flow until you have to trigger a specific event? I got that impression from the room thats all bloody and has Sabitsuki pass out, so I assume theres some sort of progression system, especially now that I went to that bar room and there was another white hair girl with a pipe that kills you if you try to attack her, I also assume it has to do with those numbers that keep increasing in the status screen
in any case, what do I have to do to make the game move forward? I find new areas sometimes, but they dont really let me do anything, maybe I dont have the right effects for them or something, like in the basement of that one abandoned town in the FC World, do I just keep exploring until I stumble on an old room that has something different?

>>45903116
If I remember right there's no special event needed to progress the game in the first part, the part where you have to find all the effects.
There are three special counters in the game:
-the rust counter: events and getting captured/knocked out/killed/caught increases it, you can have an idea of its state by how fucked up Sabi's real room gets. It influences some events and I think a menu theme
-the cake counter: the more cake you eat in the bar the higher it goes, when its high enough you can access some secret places like a room in the apartments area
-the friendship counter: the more you interact with Oreko, the submarinist girl (also appears in other places) the higher it goes. It also affects available menu themes

>>45903116
>>45903171
oh and also as mentioned, find all the effects first then come back here because that only unlocks the first ending

>>45903171
>>45903203
only read the rust counter one because I just know thats the one im filling right now, I'm starting to notice some slight changes
>different endings
Are they connected somehow or are they different from each other? the game clearly shows that Sabitsuki had a very difficult, theres a clear focus on death and trauma, from what little I saw for now, the hospital, children dying, the street with a dead end that has one of the black creatures appear when you try to go back (stalker?), the room with different stages of her life and that 4th door with a repressed memory, etc all points to traumatizing events that made her shut herself in her room and use the internet as a form of escape, but it's all catching up to her right now.
A lot of other stuff I want to mention but it's just obvious stuff that im sure was talked about a million times already so im gonna stop there, but what im trying to say is that with how clear the game is with its areas and how Sabitsuki has a lot of character as seen in the Me screen, I would expect her to have a single definite ending, and if it's multiple I expect those to elaborate more on what happens to her with each one you get, rather than have those endings give her different outcomes altogether

any -1 fans?

>>45903432
Without spoilering details, for the first ending you need to collect all the effects and go outside, standard yume nikki procedure.
The second ending elaborates on the first ending and hints at that there's something more to what's going on.
The third ending is the true ending and you need additional steps. Come here to ask when you get the first one because you need to do some specific things that are not hinted at all.

>>45910005
alright thanks
I doubt the thread will last until I get the first two endings but ill try to do it on time, only missing 6 effects, thought I was stuck already but I found 4 of them today lol

>>45909319
Tell me more.

>>45249384
i've been so out of the loop of the fangames despite playing the original a decade ago but even playing .flow recently like did still gave me that feeling (probably because i at least saw bits and pieces of it and 2kki in random youtube videos showcasing events). in comparison 2kki's only just ok to me, i like it but even playing an older version in 0.104c i still think it's a bit too big, i like the more compact nature of the original but that's kind of the point of 2kki so it's just me.
>>45270308
extremely late post because i didn't see a yume nikki thread here until now but if you still haven't it's great.

.bump

>>45931459
well yeah that's kind of the point of 2kki.
2kki is low consistency high spread, .flow is high consistency low spread, with YN somewhere in the middle.

They should cull some of the lowest quality 2kki maps though I think.

>>45700284
Same. I am a long time recluse and lifelong fan of YN. This post is already too long but I feel that saying less about YN is true-er to the essence of YN. The video feels ungenuine.

>>45937211
now that i have all the effects i don't doubt i'll get more enjoyment from just exploring rather than exploring while the back of my mind keeps poking me about if this place has one or not but that's definitely an issue i have and not the game's. i just haven't gone back to it in a couple days due to being busy (and i like playing these games at night in the dark and that strains my eyes after a while).
>>45937289
i haven't even seen it, i like long videos but anything over 3 hours sets warning bells off in my head and from some of the posts it seemed to be a good call.

>>45937305
The only good part of the video is the exploration of YN and its fangame's origins, the threads, how the JP anons received it, the wait for the update versions, and such.

well I finished .flow two or so days ago, excellent game, I love Sabitsuki, she'll probably be my favorite of the three girls after I play a bit of 2kki
the themes are very strong in it, music was good too, I wonder what really happened Sabi, if it was even her at the end, but with how much focus on death and disease it has I doubt it was good
excellent game, it can stand on its own two legs without the yume nikki fangame title, I think it would benefit from not having the majority of YN references in it personally

>>45944476
happened to* im dumb
also, what are other notable fangames? im not sure if the themes are mostly the same across them but something darker like .flow would be great, or not so dark too, something between .flow/Yume Nikki

>>45944476
>>45944532
i'm in the same boat after finishing .flow recently too, really love the general vibe of it.
>also, what are other notable fangames? im not sure if the themes are mostly the same across them but something darker like .flow would be great, or not so dark too, something between .flow/Yume Nikki
don't really have exactly what you're looking for but the only other two i've played are yume nikki gensou and a kirby-themed one called yume no kirby, but the former is more of a metroidvania like game than the average fangame (though still fun, i like coming back to it every now and then even after a few years of having it) and the latter is really small with only 4 effects and hasn't been updated since the initial dream diary jam release in 2022.

>>45944816
oh kek im >>45863311 and yes Gensou is cute, I might keep playing my Poniko save another day, game is short so it shouldnt be a problem
guess I'll have to look into fangames until I find something that finds my attention, but .flow really feels like an unique experience, for better or worse, wish there was more art of it

>>45944476
>>45944532
>>45944816
Sabi best girl.
Regarding the ending,
Was Rust the real Sabi all along? was it Rust, covered by the effects as a sort of monster/memory containment? or was Sabitsuki the real identity, who gained control of the illness?
Did Sabitsuki kill the source controlling her illness, or did Rust kill Sabitsuki and become the main personality?
Also worthy of mention, the game starts with a static screen, as if going into .flow, leading to Sabi's "real" room. Was the real world just another layer of .flow all along? The gaskmask maid appears in the "real" world in the ending...
YN also raises a similar question in the ending, with the jellyfish appearing around mado's death scene.
I guess we'll never know.

As for fangames, there's nothing at the level of .flow in my opinion, but there's Me which is heavily influenced by .flow, and many other fangames going for different tones.
LCD DEM and Deep Dreams are very nature oriented and have some of the best music and some great areas. There's also Answered Prayers, Brainchild, Dream Genie, Ultraviolet, Muma Rope, and many more.

>>45945330
2kki's been the one thing keeping my attention for a while but i also don't want to burn myself out before replaying yume nikki for it's 20th anniversary.
>>45945395
she is.
i just go with the idea that {spoiler] Rust is some weird manifestation of the disease that whittles her subconscious down before smacking what's left, though whether the ending is her dying or somehow getting better depends on my thoughts. [/spoiler]
i like to think the ending is the real world and most of the more grounded dream characters are real in some shape or form, maybe there's some weird time gap where she goes to bed (and cleans her room). from the state of the building from the balcony i can see this being a shit enough part of town that gas mask maids with chainsaws are semi-normal and a disease that may or may not gut your face and make you more violent is a problem, if exaggerated. i don't know, i'm not good at theorizing.

>>45945817
I believe the ending is the real world, overall .flow has very realistic imagery compared to other games in its "dream" state
I think that everything that happens in the flow is a direct memory of what was happening to her in the real world, but with odd representations and imagery for things at time
for example, her time in the rainbow city area would be her running away from home going to the heart of the city and getting exposed to drugs as a delinquent

>>45946742
yeah i got that from it too, she at best rarely saw a place that wasn't seedy or grungy with her mind sometimes conjuring up places that are more of a blank like maybe the red thing in the bathtub was just some random noise she heard while in an area similar to where you find it and her mind connects it to some weird ass monster instead of something normal.

keep dreaming

I really like Sabitsuki too.

>>44972355
Why would someone bother to make a 5 hour video essay about a video game, but not bother to spend 30 seconds to learn how to pronounce the game's name properly? It boggles my mind.

>>45640621
peeking on urotsuki undressing in the baths and watching her become a creature from staying in too long!

>>45969583
>spoiler
does she really

>>45970558
yeah

>>45944476
.flow'd

>>45988718
i want to hug and comfort sabi

>>45993847
She does need a few hugs considering everything.

I should get back into journaling...

playing these games makes me feel like i'm drunk, but when i'm actually drunk i dont want to play these games
i just want to sulk all day and forget about things by playing these games, doing things that make me happy make me feel drained
i want to sleep all day and stay in my dreams, but all my dreams are filled with stress and regret, i hate dreaming but when i wake up suddenly i dont want to stop dreaming
doesnt anyone else feel this way?

>>45996310
i should start a dream journal but most of my dreams i forget the second i wake up or feel i didn't dream at all that night, and most of the ones i do remember are ones i had as a child. not helped by infrequently getting snapped out of the dream by a nosebleed like today

>>45998601
Recalling dreams is a skill that can be improved by putting more deliberate focus on it. Also, just write anything you remember, even if it's just a feeling or a single word.

Do you have a humidifier for your room? I used to get bad nosebleeds all of the time.

>>46004929
i'll try that out, thanks.
>Do you have a humidifier for your room? I used to get bad nosebleeds all of the time.
there's a few heaters around the house i turned on when it got really cold but the only one that's still on is below me. definitely do get them more often if they're on.

>>45996621
>i want to sleep all day and stay in my dreams, but all my dreams are filled with stress and regret, i hate dreaming but when i wake up suddenly i dont want to stop dreaming
Yeah. Same.

Zzz

>>46043952
look at all those dorks

>>45998601
Well, that used to be my case 100%, and I've managed to change that. Now I am able to recall at least one dream per night at will. Just so you know that it is doable.
Protip: If you are to believe Jung, there are two levels to the unconscious: the personal (also known as "shadow") and the collective. When the people featured in your dream are friends, family or acquaintances, then you are dealing with the personal unconscious; if the people featured in your dreams take the form of people you don't know, then it is the collective unconscious speaking to you. Usually the dreams we feel are "dumb" or "uninteresting" are the ones having to do with the personal unconscious, but, while true to an extent, they are also important for the development of the personality. There are also different "levels" to the unconscious, depending on the archetype symbolized in the dream. Then, of course, there are dreams, like the ones discussed itt, that seem to outgrow this description, because dreams are, at heart, wild things that cannot be explained away so easily.

i had a dream where i entered a world full of immortal people, and i was the only one who aged, and because they were all many times older than me i wondered if they saw me as a child
i was just trying to live there with those people, but for some reason it ended with me getting into a gunfight to defend my life, and running away on top of a bull
and before i could escape, i reached a point where i realized i couldnt go any further because there was nothing outside of the town, which is when i woke up

>>44972355
Ah damn, for a second I thought a real Yume Nikki documentary had come out. Turns out OP's just an idiot and called a bad video essay a "documentary". I want an in-person Kikiyama interview dammit

>>46048558
>I want an in-person Kikiyama interview dammit
>implying
best you will get is kikyama being portrayed by a madotsuki plush

Why did Answered Prayers never get updated? I loved that game the most of all. Shrine maidens are great.

>>46048558
if you want an interview, toby fox managed to have one with kikiyama however it's quite short and he doesn't really talk except saying "yes" and "no".

>>46062380
I have a few vague memories from last year about the author considering updates to the game but who knows.

>>44972355

Very nice.

>>46081629
mado thinking her dream friends are real
i would hang with them too

>>46083728
According to buddhism, specifically vajradyana and dream yoga, dream friends are no less (and no more) real than gods or IRL people.

No dying yet, effects not collected.

>>46092650
we sleep for 5 hours
we wake up
we make one post
we go back to sleep
sooner or later we hit bump limit and sleep forever

>>46054570
kek i'd love that

>>46062380
God i love Prayers. Chimikos are so fucking hot, i love the one hiding in the alley, i hump her sitting down and standing up imagining she masturbates as i molest her. Such a disgusting sinner...

>>46106276
i don't think i could ever imagine a world where .flow wasn't one of the big original fangames. the art of mado/uro/sabi in a trio just wouldn't look right without her.

>>46108853
Exactly. I also really like how all three are kind of opposites of each other but are always drawn together, like a group of friends, makes me really happy :)

https://twitter.com/lol_rust/status/1758116942928617658
Happy 15th year anniversary, .flow!

>>46114067
i kind of want to see an unorthodox fangame with these three, like an expanded version of gensou with 2kki and .flow elements or some other platformer that can lend itself to some excuse plot that involves the three. i know dream vs dream and yume kart has all three but the former wasn't finished and the latter is a kart racer.
>>46114197
right at bump limit too...
happy birthday .flow

I think it'd be nice to make another thread like this, where anons get to share their stories about the games, dreams and post fan art.

>>46114197
Happy birthday, .flow!

thread's almost over...

>>46119882
4 months and a half, damn /jay pee/ you are slow nowadays...

Following lolrust around is always a chore.

Sleep tight.

>>46122458

>>46117895

>>44972355
yumebros, the thread is about to rest for good...
thank you for being a part of it. sleep well...

>>46123934
it was nice even if i saw it rather late and some fresh air from the /v/ yume nikki threads just because i don't have to wait until super late at night to see one