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A place for discussion of the great works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (Japanese)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tyCb9CZR_bh6ZyvK8N1v3HU0GhG6aTZe

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
Mahoutsukai no Yoru:
https://nsw2u.com/witch-on-the-holy-night-switch-nsp
An Adventure of First Love (Mahoutsukai no Yoru Short Story):
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/An-Adventure-of-First-Love.html
Witch on the Holy Night Material
https://tri-hermes.org/Materials/The_Magicians_Basic_Rhythm.html

>Kara no Kyoukai
Kara no Kyoukai Light Novels (Japanese):
2001 Comiket 61 Doujinshi:Volume 1: https://mega.nz/#!wRNXnArD!rp8G-mZgGDTjkw3
Kara no Kyoukai Light Novels (English):
https://nyaa.si/view/1414316
Kara no Kyoukai Animated Films:
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga:
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime Complete Pack (Tsukihime, PLUS+DISC, Kagetsu Tohya):
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3874450
Tsukihime OG Collection:
https://nyaa.si/view/1591168
Tsukihime Manga (Arcueid's route):
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cC2cl1r46qDxKLQ6SJ2ss2V0JS8ihlpn
Tsukihime Plus Period - Talk
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/talk.html
Tsukihime II Prelude
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/prelude.html

>Tsukihime Remake
Tsukihime Remake:
Tsukihime Remake Resources
English Patch:
https://tsukihimates.com

>MELTY BLOOD
MELTY BLOOD PC Collection (Original + ReACT + Act Cadenza + Actress Again Current Code):
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MELTY BLOOD Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qfSckM1X-oLSl8DPCk9GqOydRRH5UjEq
MELTY BLOOD - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]:
https://nyaa.si/view/1691072
Fate/hollow ataraxia:
https://nyaa.si/view/1732011
Fate/zero
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/zero.html
Garden of Avalon
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/GoA.html
Fate/Spinoffs:
Fate/Spinoffs

>Other Type-Moon Works
Angel Voice / Notes:
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/notes.html
Clock Tower 2015:
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/clocktower2015.html
Fire Girl:
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com
Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade Manga:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y68oxcrmg8i6k/Sutamamo
Tsuki no Sango:
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/tsuki-no-sango.html
Tsuki no Sango Manga:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1
Haru to Tsuki to Sora to:
https://mega.nz/file/xlVwGY4K#170GaRCpftfOJXtBjbF1BYu3cNUaiM6aOJLWEkhLyKs

>Type-Moon Miscellaneous
BAMBOO BROOM DIARY (Nasu and Takeuchi blog)
https://tri-hermes.org/bamboo.html
Carnival Phantasm (made in celebration of Type-Moon's 10th anniversary)
https://nyaa.si/view/550820
Encyclopedia of Type-Moon:
https://mega.nz/folder/oM8EhIjQ#IAVmHGdLnalCs0B5mRhzRQ
Materials
https://tri-hermes.org/materials.html
TMdict Glossary:
https://www.tmdict.com
Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc):
https://www.tsukikan.com
Tsukihime Archives:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
Type-Moon Comic Ace:
https://web-ace.jp/tmca

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>Fate/Stay Night 20th anniversary stream
Hopes? Fear? Realistic expectations?

>> No.45788743

>>45788589
>Hopes
The anime adaption
>Fear
Wasting time and resources on a remake
>Realistic Expectations
Port of the Fate VN(s) with HD treatment and official english translation. Some gacha adjacent fluff and merchandise. Talking about 20 years of Fate. Some cafe collab or something retarded.

>> No.45788777

>>45788589
if it's an anime adaptation I hope to god they animate the basement scene

>> No.45788815

>>45788589
>Hope
The last episode or the anime adaptation.
>Fear
Gacha shit
>Realistic Expectation
Steam release of FSN.

>> No.45789472

Sex?

>> No.45789544

CCC Chapter 5 spoilers
I wish we got to see more of the Shinji and Elizabeth dynamic, they're really fucking funny. Of all the sertvants Shinji got in Fate Elizabeth fit him the best

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...with mysterious black magus!

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>>45789544
The real GOAT of CCC.
I wish Drake was in the game...

>> No.45789625

red garden doko

>> No.45789817

>>45788589
They might not announce anything. I don't know why everyone's assuming they will.

>> No.45789872

>>45789817
Why would they even hold an announcement on the Type Moon Game channel then?

>> No.45789885

>>45789872
Because it's the 20th anniversary of FSN which is a game that TM made.

>> No.45790125

A-Archimedes...

>> No.45790543
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>>45788520
Why is Saber mad?

>> No.45790618

>>45789544
Wasn't Chapter 5 written by Natsuko Ishikawa, who has been the lead writer in FFXIV from Stormblood onward? I know she was a writer in CC but I don't know which part.

>> No.45790626

>>45790618
CCC*

>> No.45790635

Foursome between Shiki, Miyako, Mio and Akiha

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>>45789544
>>45789569
God those scenes with Liz and eating her food were fucking adorable, you nearly kill yourself just to not make a girl cry.
The craziest part is, Liz isn't a bad chef because she doesn't know how to cook. She does, she cooks everything correctly. But because she has a dragon's sense of taste, it uses ingredients that are combined in a way human beings were never meant to digest. Which I guess in a sense means Sieg would probably be able to eat it, being part-Fafnir.

>> No.45790730

warm aoko bra

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>>45790613

>> No.45790758

>literally the only thing stopping Liz from completely wiping the floor with you in CCC is because the AI isn't set to actually use her skills to their actual full potential
It's insane just how overpowered Liz's skillset is when it's you using them. I would not be surprised if someone tried to make a Liz Route mod where she's playable all game.

>> No.45790792

>>45790543
It's nice to see so much new Shiki art.

>> No.45790795

>>45790543
Yeah I'm ngl, I never understood how SHIKI was supposed to be a threat compared to Roa. Roa is a millenia-old thunder sorceror, SHIKI is just a dude who has a way shittier version of what Shiki has.

>> No.45790807

>>45790795
>SHIKI was supposed to be a threat compared to Roa
He wasn't

>> No.45790809

>>45790807
But isn't SHIKI's influence the whole reason Shiki is going insane in the Far Side stuff?

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>> No.45790817

smacking ryougi's big butt

>> No.45790818

>>45790812
SEX

>> No.45790827

>>45790809
Sure but that's just what happens when your soul is connected to an insane schizo. It's not like it was a conscious effort. Only Akiha's route has a real fight against SHIKI. In Hisui's route, the dude is so far gone that he actually forgets who Shiki is before getting killed in like 2 sentences. In Kohaku's, he dies to Akiha.

>> No.45790831

>>45790827
>It's not like it was a conscious effort.
See I thought it was, I thought he was actively inducing madness in Shiki so that he'd die and SHIKI would become the family head again or whatever.

>> No.45790838

>>45790543
Source?

>> No.45790852

>>45790831
https://youtu.be/_6zJlKfw9mM?si=EUahHXoIaWR0ZFqJ&t=335
No.

>> No.45790859

Is Shiki a common name?

>> No.45790862

>>45790852
Well, it's been almost 20 years since I read Tsukihime, so I chalk it up to that. I was still a teenager when the Mirror-Moon translation came out.

>> No.45790868

>>45790862
Oh no wait, the Mirror-Moon translation came out later than I thought, I was already 20 by then. For some reason I remember it coming out in like 2004 or something.

>> No.45790873

>>45790859
I don't believe so. It's a valid name, but it's definitely not something common like say Takashi.

>> No.45790874

>>45790862
SHIKI is just really just a victim as much as the rest of the characters but he's locked into a bad end. I like him so I hope Nasu does something cool with himm in the remake.

>> No.45790885

>>45790874
The problem is he's not particularly interesting and works more as a passive background threat that when they're actually revealed you're like "oh....I guess I'll just stab him then"

>> No.45790890

>>45790874
>I hope Nasu does something cool with himm in the remake
lmao

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>>45790885
>>45790890
Don't deny me my SHIKI kino.

>> No.45790904

>>45790896
It's not up to us, Anon-kun. It's to him/her/whatever else Nasu is.

>> No.45790912

>>45790874
My guess is that Nasu will do something extremely different with him. Just repeating the twist like it was in the original can't work today. I have no idea what it will be though.

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Justice for SHIKI.

>> No.45790918

>>45790896
why is shiki X SHIKI a kino crack ship?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUw4Qh9uFK8

>> No.45790924

>>45790918
Shipper faggotry aside, didn't they use to be true friends?

>> No.45790929

>>45790885
This. It's a Keyser Söze thing, the threat everyone thinks he poses is infinitely more dangerous than the man himself actually is.

>> No.45790934

Has someone got that one fanart of Shiki and SHIKI drinking coffee together? I lost mine.

>> No.45790939

>>45790924
yeah

>> No.45790947

>>45790929
Anon, that's because Keyser Söze wasn't real. He was a fictional person another character made up in order to build a myth around for everyone to fear. He's the Dread Pirate Roberts, he's Robin Hood.

>> No.45790971

>>45790947
But Robin's summonable!

>> No.45790979

>>45790971
Robin Hood isn't actually Robin Hood, did you not understand what Extra was saying? One person can't do all the shit he did, he's the amalgamation of every bandit who lived in Sherwood whose collective deeds were attributed to a fictional man named "Robin Hood".

>> No.45791113

Hello, here is the link to the KnK sound novel that I've been working on (https://send.monks.tools/download/1f67348dcbc8a392/#KEMcGcCOC29YFIw1C6zNxw).). It's web-based, so in order to run this you'll have to set up npm and download the dependencies needed (json-server). Currently, the source code has been set up so that it'll only run Murder Speculation 1 since I haven't completely finished working with the audio for the other two stories. Instructions:
1) Run npm install to install the dependencies
2) Run npm run server to start json-server (this is how the program retrieves the database containing the texts)
3) Load the index.html file in the dist folder to your browser

I'm open for feedback, mainly regarding the soundtrack placement and the translation/text itself. I'm still new to web dev so the code isn't the most sophisticated.

>> No.45791121

>>45791113
Why would a sound novel need so much work to run? Isn't it just an audio file set?

>> No.45791137

>>45791121
I might be misusing the word sound novel here, but the program is basically a visual novel, but without the art. Here is a video demo: https://files.catbox.moe/doqigw.mkv

>> No.45791151

>>45791137
Ah, I see.

>> No.45791185

>>45791113
Wow that's interesting. Does this have a version with Japanese text?

>> No.45791258

>>45791185
No, not yet. It's easier for me to work with the english one for now. I don't remember specifically, but the only digital JP text of the book I have on me should be in epub, which may be more annoying to transfer into a plain text file for my python script to work (not to mention the regex that I'd have to write to capture the sentences...).
I'll try to keep the explanation short, but essentially, I wrote a Python script that captures the sentences (using regex) inside the plain text file of the book and create a json file with the appropriate structure (knk -> storyName -> chapters -> sentences/paragraph (a paragraph contains a list of sentences and an audioId telling the program which track to play at this paragraph) -> sentence. I can't imagine having to manually add the JP text to the corresponding English text myself, so if anyone's interested in doing that, by all means contact me, and we'll set up something.

>> No.45791564

>>45790795
Roa's thunder powers were pretty much a retcon made up to make him more interesting to play as in MB after his whole mirror match concept got superseded by Nanaya. In the VN itself, Roa just has the mystic eyes of life perception in that incarnation, while SHIKI's innate powers that he uses when he's in control is to control his blood freely and turn it into razor-sharp swords or spikes.

>> No.45791582

>>45791564
I know it was a retcon but that's because Roa doesn't really DO anything when you face him in the Arc route, he just kinda makes a hallway menacing.

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He does this in the original but there's no art asset.

>> No.45791642

>>45791604
Mr. Valdamjong, when I asked you to bare your chest for plethysmography you needed to take off your shirt, not your entire torso!

>> No.45791673

>>45791604
That was him recovering from Arc's Marble Phantasm reducing him to his ankles, right?

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>>45791673
Yep

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>>45791783

>> No.45791797

Roa's having the fun of his life, eh?

>> No.45791836

>>45791797
Can't wait for Arc's True.

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>>45790934

>> No.45792268

>>45789569
i just beat Melt's labryinth and god Shinji was fucking cool.
I wish Drake was here as well, we could've gotten some great character interactions
>>45790650
It's so cute. I didn't have the heart to be honest with Liz and tell her that her food tasted bad or feed it to the Shinji dummy. She probably had my favorite labyrinth
I just got to the part where you form a contract with her and god I'm going to cherish every second. I love this dumb lizard

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>> No.45792979

>>45792497
Based and canon.

>> No.45793010

>>45792497
Based and straight.

>> No.45793012

>>45792497
What's the giant scar on Shiki's chest from again?

>> No.45793039

silky imouto hair

>> No.45793245

>>45793012
protecting Akiha from SHIKI.

>> No.45793263

>>45793012
just a car crash bro

>> No.45793319

>>45793012
Wound from Sion's fat tits.

>> No.45793696

>>45793319
But she doesn't have pointy ps1 boobies

>> No.45793745

>>45793010
Is Riefsbyfe or what's her name is into her?

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>> No.45793871

>>45793803
Out of them only Vlov has yet to kill him. Yet.

>> No.45793874

>>45793803
Everyone hates Roa!

>> No.45793889

>>45793802
SEX

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i bet the touko SEX anon would like to live at her house as a sex slave for when she comes home tired and doesn't want to go out for sex

>> No.45793980

>>45793934
SEX! SEX!
And lab experiments, of course.

>> No.45794066

>>45793871
>Doubt that Dantes actually did it for real

>> No.45794141

>>45794066
Dantes is wierd in that he is really strong but it depends on his opponent. Since those laser beams he has are actually pure concentrated hatred, the more of a grudge he holds towards his opponent the stronger they get.

>> No.45794148

>>45794066
He killed the lame Roa.

>> No.45794156

>>45794066
>>45794141
Dantes is absurdly powerful, like he would possibly in the top 10 strongest servants in existence if it weren't for powercreep over time. Keep in mind he has 3 NPs
>Enfer Château d'If, which is a form of massive accelerating his body to be able to move at the speed his brain does, and our brains process information insanely fast
>Attendre, Espérer which can heal people who are close to death and make them even stronger. Also makes him damn near immortal as it uses his flames to bring back anything he loses so you effectively have to destroy him within a few blows in quick succession
>Monte Cristo Mythologie which is his black fire and lasers which burn the soul of the victim rather than the body and surrounding himself in them makes him immune to mental attacks and poison, conceals his parameters and class, and force enemies to attack each other

>> No.45794182

>>45794156
Can someone who has read The Count of Montecristo confirm if he was always that OP?

>> No.45794190

>>45794182
yes, he solos Freeza after Abbe Faria dies

>> No.45794206

>>45794156
>>45794148
>>45794141
He passed out during Roa's "death" so I think it's hard to confirm.

>> No.45794215

>>45794156
No diff'd by Shiki.

>> No.45794220

>>45794182
CoMC is genuinely my favorite novel of all time, and to say Dantes in fate has next to nothing to do with the character in the book is an understatement. Edmond Dantes is simply a Frenchman who after acquiring a secret fortune, sets out to destroy the lives of the people that ruined his by taking away from him everything he loves until all he wishes is to be granted death, to which Dantes will oblige him. Except he doesn't, when he's finally cornered the last of his victims, he lets him go. He realizes there's no longer a point, God would not forgive a man who kills the helpless and regardless, he had broken Danglars and made him feel true regret.

>> No.45794245

>>45794220
Also more importantly, he decides that the final act in revenge isn't his choice to make. It's how the book ends, Dantes' final letter as he leaves for Maximilian
>" Live, then, and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget, that until the day God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these two words, 'Wait and Hope.”
Doubt over Dantes’ capacity and right to act as God’s agent has been building steadily ever since Edward’s unjust death and has finally resulted in a complete disavowal of the mission Monte Cristo has just completed. Here, he acknowledges that God is the only one who can act as Providence, the only force that can hand out people’s fates. Humans, rather than taking God’s task into their own hands, ought to simply “wait and hope” that God does indeed eventually reward the good and punish the bad.

Which I mean, is kinda rich considering Dantes already did 99% of the work, but still.

>> No.45794285

>>45794245
CoMC is cool. TM version not so much.

>> No.45794294

>>45794285
>CoMC is cool.
It's considered one of the greatest novels ever written for a reason.

>> No.45794307

>>45794245
>Which I mean, is kinda rich considering Dantes already did 99% of the work, but still.
He didn't though. Villefort simply went insane, Mondego took his own life first, and then he let Danglars go. He had a chance to carry out his revenge and in the end couldn't do it, because Edward indirectly died due to his actions and he realized what his quest for vengeance was turning into.

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>>45790924
>>45790939
i hope they play up the brotherhood they used to have in the remake more.

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>> No.45794897

>>45794878
SEEEEEEEEX

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>> No.45795066

>>45794878
why does this bitch keep changing her look?

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>>45795066

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>>45795066
She's a genius puppet maker. She's creative like that.

>> No.45795095

>>45795066
Can't appreciate variant fashion on women?

>> No.45795099

>>45795090
SEEEEEEEEX

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>>45795099

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>>45795099
Rarest Touko.

>> No.45795124

>Shiki is the only main character with a kid after the story
Saber doesn't count since that is part of her backstory.

>> No.45795129

>>45795124
Rin is shown to have children with another man.

>> No.45795133

>>45795129
I completely forgot about that part in HF normal end.

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>> No.45795179

>>45795178
This left movieonlys baffled.

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>>45795178
>UBW got Waver and Luvia
>HF got Touko and Zelretch
>Fate got ???
Merlin I guess?

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>> No.45795206

>>45795178
I loved this scene. Rin just stares straight ahead and Sakura closes her eyes and bows reverently as Touko passes.

>> No.45795218

>>45795104
>>45795106
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45795223

>>45795178
>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeex!
>Nee-san, do you hear that?
>Hear what?
>SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45795234

lol

>> No.45795242

>Excuse me, are you Touko Aozaki?
>*a look-over and an elegant eyebrow raise*
>SEEEEEEEEEEE
>*door slam*
>EEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45795272
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>> No.45795273

>>45795272
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45795276
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>> No.45795280

>>45795276
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45795284

That would make a good intro for Touko scenes. Just the anon screaming seeeexxxxx.

>> No.45795298

>randomly connects Tiamat Sea of Life to the mud of the grail
Like why?

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>> No.45795306

>>45795300
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45795313
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>> No.45795318

>>45795313
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45795361

>>45795313
is Touko tight or loose?

>> No.45795379

>>45795361
yes

>> No.45795384

Unlike Aoko Touko isn't a kissless femcel.

>> No.45795392

>>45795384
but imagine that with her puppet bodies, she become a virgin each time she swap those bodies.

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>>45792979
Shiki not topping isn't exactly canon

>> No.45796642

>>45796519
He's just acting shy to let her feel in control. Playing the long game.

>> No.45797036

>>45795298
because Nasu writes like a 11 year old

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>> No.45797336

I thought that the gay anon and "aoko bra" anon were the worst but I forgot about the SEEEX anon, truly a living cancer

>> No.45797351

>>45795186
Bedivere and Mordred made appearances as well

>> No.45797493

>>45794156
ea gg

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>>45796642
But she kinda wants to be dominated

>> No.45797722

>>45797336
Fag.

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>> No.45798036

>>45797766
The amount of times I would rape her in that outfit....

>> No.45798445

How come TM didn't take that long to create a game like FSR? Couldn't they release a Tsuki 2 game as well in that same amount of time if they tried?

>> No.45798566

>>45798445
F/SR had the support of Koei Tecmo alongside Studio BB, and I think Nasu's ambitions for Tsuki 2 are too lofty.
I don't think TM is well equipped with making non-vn games with a large budget in general, look at Extra/Record

>> No.45798608

>>45798445
They still haven't finished Tsuki 1 completly and you want them to release Tsuki 2...

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>> No.45798744

Please let Red Garden be announced this year...

>> No.45798764

>>45798634
ahhhhh i want to warm up under aoko's beautiful wind blown hair

>> No.45798855

>>45798744
If I don't get any Red Garden news this year, I'm going to fly to Japan and beat up Nasu

>> No.45798869

>>45797336
I'm just a lonely magician who doesn't know how to express himself with a magical song.
I am honest in my shouts, and I shout because I must.

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>> No.45798904

>>45798894
SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

>> No.45798922

touko!

>> No.45798925

SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX!

>> No.45798930

I like to think the reason the SEX are always so stretched out is someone yelling it while running by her and it's the doppler effect.

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Anon listen carefully to what Big Sis is about to tell you.

"Don't talk to strangers
'Because they're only there to do you harm
Don't write in starlight
'Because the words may come out real
Don't hide in doorways
You may find the key that opens up your soul
Don't go to Heaven because it's really only Hell
Don't smell the flowers
They're an evil drug to make you lose your mind
Don't dream of women, because they only bring you down".

>> No.45799006

>>45798986
Then what to do!

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>>45799006
It's fine just sleep in with Big Sis and make sure to unplug the fucking phone first.

>> No.45799073

>>45799037
What is a phone?

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>>45799073
The loud thing that never stops ringing.

>> No.45799158

Aoko... sex?

>> No.45799218

Aoko doesn't know how to sex.

>> No.45799255

>>45799218
Soujuurou can fix that

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Souji is for sexual abuse.

>> No.45799319

>>45799296
Eh?

>> No.45799338

toukoofferstomakesoujiasexslave.jpg

>> No.45799348

>>45799296
I love the AOKO WANTS SEX doujins from Aigamodou.

>> No.45799355

>>45797597
>Sion wants to be called a whore
>Tohsaka wants to be called a bitch
what else?

>> No.45799363

>Aoko wants sex
>has no sex
>became a sorceress
pottery

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>>45799348
hell yeah

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>> No.45799407

I finished CCC and I have to say, Nero's ending was way too fucking cute.

>> No.45799415

>>45799407
All the endings are great. Tamamo accidentally fucks everything up because she goes too far to save you from getting deleted in the Near Side.

>> No.45799436

>>45799400
Wolves aren't really arrogant or greedy...?

>> No.45799443

>>45799436
well marry one then if you love the motherfuckers so much!

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>>45799415
when you court the sun, you have to expect a few solar flares

>> No.45799466

>>45799447
Yeah but what she does is she stops holding back and goes full ninetails to unleash the full power of Amaterasu on the Moon Cell to give it the middle finger and save you. But it means al the other Tamamos are free and in the Far Side, and they're all after her now

>> No.45799539

>>45799443
Wouldn't be surprised if someone already did.

>> No.45799545

>>45799466
my question is why were they all wearing black face

>> No.45799549

>>45799545
They just don't want to reveal what they look like yet

>> No.45799580

do using either Hakuno matter for Gilgamesh's route? I know for Archer there's some different dialogue if you're playing as Hakunon

>> No.45799594

>>45799580
>do using either Hakuno matter for Gilgamesh's route?
No but male is the bros for life route
>I know for Archer there's some different dialogue if you're playing as Hakunon
You also literally can't get the servant ending with Archer for male Hakuno because SG3 is female-exclusive as it's about him basically becoming your bf.

>> No.45799599

>>45799580
not really
only Hakuno(male) + Archer route is somewhat handicapped, you can't get his 3rd SG, and Melthlilith won't crush on him

>> No.45799602

>Fate Extra
>female servants are mass murdering psychopaths who try to obfuscate it by acting cute
>male servants are total bros that did nothing wrong
what did Nasu mean by this?

>> No.45799609

>>45799594
>can't get the servant ending with Archer
you actually can

>> No.45799631

>>45799602
a story of life

>> No.45799668

Extra remake status?

>> No.45799688

>>45799602
>male servants are total bros that did nothing wrong
A dubious point under examination.
Then again, hard to say.
Maybe Nasu really is a woman.

>> No.45799706

>>45799599
>Melthlilith
Now I will shit on "Altria" until the end of time, fuck you Nasu you don't know how english works...but it's so obviously Meltryllis and the CCC staff who did the CG didn't get the memo. BB and all of her Alter Egos are flower-themed, why would Melt be different?

>> No.45799733

>>45799668
Status:Alaya's fed up with Extras.
t. fgoer

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>>45799706
Forgot pic. The Amaryllis is pretty

>> No.45799758

>>45799602
do you mean playable servants or non-playable?
Red Archer is a little weird and cynical, and you'll get Dead End in the beginning of Fate/Extra if you don't tell him you're his Master, unlike female servants who will act more friendly to you
Gilgamesh is just an insufferable retard. i heard that Fate/Prototype Gil was better than this golden manchild
>about non-playable heroes.
Assassin confirms that he's a murderer who doesn't really obfuscate it by acting like a bro
Vlad Dracula... i don't remember Rin's route well, but i think he's *that* Dracula
Lu Bu became a berserker for a reason, i guess, but his Nasuverse personality is never shown in the game
Green Archer acts like a murderer and not a bro like Assassin, however he's funny and helps us in CCC
Gawain is boring and mean to everyone except Leo

Nursery Rhyme isn't a psychopath, but she also kinda genderless
Arcueid is not a murderer, if i remember Tsukihime well. well she's a berserker too, but becomes normal in the end
El Draque is a wild big sister, she doesn't act "cute"

>> No.45799767

>>45799758
>Gilgamesh is just an insufferable retard.
What? He's great in CCC, it's FSN where he's an insufferable retard that didn't bother to give him any real characterization besides basically being the ikeman there to NTR Shirou by taking Saber away.

>> No.45799776

>>45799706
okay Meltryllis... i'm esl and don't really know much about english flower names

>> No.45799799

>>45799767
he personally tells you he's a retarded tyrant. nothing of his personality is bro-like. he's a fucking savage in a golden armor. he's just SLIGHTLY less of an asshole than he is in FSN. and i don't like you for licking his boots too

>> No.45799827

>>45799799
Tyranny as a concept isn't antithetical to brotherly behavior, even one that stands alone, but that doesn't apply to gil except maybe to kogil, and only somewhat.
At any rate, carry on.

>> No.45799832

>>45799758
Gilgamesh is a cool dude in Babylonia, showing a stern but fair side to him

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>>45799799
didn't know BB browsed these threads

>> No.45799860

>>45799827
brotherly behavior and goldman in one sentence? what are you smoking, anon?

>> No.45799887

>>45799799
>he personally tells you he's a retarded tyrant.
That learned from his mistakes. The entire point of his journey and what happened to Enkidu and the loss of the immortality elixir was supposed to be a point to humble him and show the folly as to where that attitude got him in life: losing everything he actually cared about.

>> No.45799888

>>45799860
Read my post once more.

>> No.45799951

>>45799888
i got carried away. shouldn't choose goldman as my servant in CCC...

>> No.45800051

I completely forgot that masters have the ability to steal command spells from one another, how come this doesn't happen often?

>> No.45800072

>>45800051
Because command spells are pretty damn vital to saving your ass in some situations, remember Saber being able to teleport to save Shirou in the Fate route?

>> No.45800139

>>45799758
>Arcueid is not a murderer
Well... let's just say she's a good girl whose a bit willful when it comes to one megane boy and everyone else is lucky she's not showing up as the uber selfish princess since she'd be unhandleable.

>> No.45800147

>>45800051
Most magi aren't just going to let you cut off their hand.

>> No.45800167

Which series got off the best when it came to Nasu engrish name spellings?

>> No.45800199

>>45800167
Afaik there haven't been any big differences between the fan translation names and the official ones for Tsuikihime

>> No.45800214

>>45800139
He's right though in that she's not a murderer. Murder by definition is the unjustified killing of someone, afaik Arc has never killed anyone that wasn't an active threat to her life.

>> No.45800218

>>45799706
>why would Melt be different?
How can you blame them when Nasu constantly jerks off Evangelion

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>> No.45800238

>>45800218
Sure bit that doesn't really track with the rest of them
Black BLOSSOM
Passion(TU)LIP
Melt(AMA)RYLLIS
VIOLET
KINGPROTEA
Kazura(SNOW)DROP

All flowers, much like the name Sakura itself is, the Cherry Blossom.

>> No.45800286

>>45800238
grats
maybe you should tell Nasu to properly supervise his games, considering in the game right before that he had to pull lore out of his ass because an animator thought it would be cool for Mumei to have Excalibur

>> No.45800361

but actually you're right. i need dumb but kind blue saber as a female servant. i'm tired of insane evil bitches

>> No.45800401

>>45800230
ho

>> No.45800427

>>45800214
>I can't believe she had to wipe the world in self-defense.

>> No.45800446

>>45799951
Don't get carried away, you monster!

>> No.45800458

>>45800427
Asking the wrong questions.

>> No.45800473

>>45800361
I'm not!

>> No.45800497

>>45800286
>maybe you should tell Nasu to properly supervise his games
CCC was plagued with issues in development, so it's understandable.
>because an animator thought it would be cool for Mumei to have Excalibur
I thought that was exclusive to CCC and in regular Extra his best attack was Cadalbolg II

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>>45800401

>> No.45800554

>>45800458
I was expecting someone to argue that humanity is a disease that needs to be cleansed.

>> No.45800781

>>45800499
Would Akiha let Shiki do her in the butt like Ciel?

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>>45800781
!

>> No.45800833

>>45800817
You're not answering my question, Akiha

>> No.45800882

>>45800833
We both know she won't accept anything less than a nakadashi that impregnates her.

>> No.45800891

If I understand Fate has 3 category of Oni
unworshipped gods who became oni
mutants(?) with powers beyond humans
story influenced

Does the second category count as pure original Oni or humans who became humans?

>> No.45800904

>>45800891
became oni*

>> No.45801019

>>45800882
She turns to jelly when Shiki wants something in love. If he said he wanted to fuck her butt, she'd let him

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Does this look good or are we never again going to see a TM title on PC?

>> No.45801067

>Fate Extra "assassin"
>killed so many masters at the campus that he should be nerfed to the ground with all the system penalties
>still is so strong in the "fair" fight that Hakuno's servant decides to unleash their NP
how is this even legit?

>> No.45801079

>>45801062
Anon, it's a VN. You can't ask for too much in terms of "currently playing"

>> No.45801082

>>45801062
I think it did pretty good considering it's a re-re-release and a visual novel.

>> No.45801090

>>45801067
And this isn't even his strongest form, the dude was best irl at fighting with a spear, he'd be stronger as a Lancer.

>> No.45801091

>>45801079
More focused on the ownership estimation part.

>> No.45801098

>>45801091
I mean 45k is pretty good for a game that all you had to pay for really in bringing it over was translation.

>> No.45801141 [DELETED] 

>all the "real" Extra female masters with standard school girl avatars wear knee socks
>only Hakunon wears pantyhose and also long hair
it's funny that the most sheepish NPC master still has somewhat customized avatar

>> No.45801283

>>45801090
It's also where that quote of "I have never experienced having to strike an opponent twice" comes from, he was talking about using a spear

>> No.45801486

>>45798894
Is it wrong to want to put her on a leash and have her crawl on all fours?

>> No.45801514

>>45800554
Ah, my apologies then.

>> No.45801526

>>45801067
Baji isn't anything new here, have you missed that? Kotomine was mere practitioner, and he's pretty cool. Li was a master.
Whether actual Baji is really as effective IRL I'm unsure, but in Nasu's tales it's one of those natural Earth power things.
Also those elbow strikes are really cool.

>> No.45801551

>>45801486
I think she has that planned the other way around.

>> No.45801564

>>45801526
Miyako will be the ultimate user with her self-styled Baji.

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i wonder who is his servant!!

>> No.45801604

>>45801574
Being a big eater doesn't really narrow it down

>> No.45801633

>>45801564
Mysterious man in a panda costume will make sure of that!

>> No.45801635

>>45801551
We could solve this with a friendly competition of "don't blow all your savings at once".

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>>45800882
>whined about not being creampied when shiki cums the first time
>screams to cum inside when she knows he's about to cum again
best sex in the game, bros

>> No.45802158

>>45802075
>legs attempt to initiate leglock at any opportunity

>> No.45802221

>>45802075
if she's so eager to get pregnant, what will happen to her when she grow up? will she turn into a milf slampig?

>> No.45802272

>>45802221
He is going to utterly destroy her vagina with how many babies she'll pump out.

>> No.45802382
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Shiki when a white woman crosses his path

>> No.45802565

>>45802382
Now I'm imagining older Shiki voiced by Kaneto Shiozawa, if he hadn't died

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out of all possible tsukihime couple, akiha and shiki would probably produce the most schizophrenic child.

>> No.45802613

>>45802592
Yes but because of her bloodline, not because of how they are as a couple. The Tohno family basically exists to create schizos thanks to their oni blood.
Wierdly, Hisui and Kohaku might create the most normal children. But knowing what happened to Kohaku, she might not even be able to have children anymore

>> No.45802634

>>45802613
yeah that's what i mean. and god knows if what the nanaya blood could do on top of that.

>> No.45802642

>>45802634
Probably make them normal.

>> No.45802647

>>45802634
Tbf, the nanaya aren't merged with oni blood, they just hyper-focused genetic traits to bring out max human potential. If anything a Nanaya and a Tohno having kids would help normalize both bloodlines.

>> No.45802679

Akiha and Shiki's child would either be completely insane and try to kill himself at a young age or be a surprisingly perfectly normal and well-adjusted human being. No inbetween.

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>>45802679
Honestly Nanaya blood might be the perfect catalyst to surpress the Tohno blood rage. But that's not the ending I want for Shiki...

>> No.45802830

>>45802696
>mixing instant anti-inhuman kill instinct with inhumanity
Absolute schizo

>> No.45802836

>>45802830
I was thinking of it more like acids and bases, it neutralizes.

>> No.45802855

>>45802696
Fuck all the haters, Kohaku will always be the GOAT h-scene for me. The idea of a girl who had been raped for a decade and thus was psychologically preconditioned to not enjoy sex, having her first genuine orgasm because it's with someone she loved, is perfect to me.

>> No.45803134

>>45802855
I love kohaku-san I love kohaku-san

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Who was Saber's strongest master in terms of providing her the mana she needed to fight?

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>>45803209
Canonically? Kiritsugu easily, everyone was fighting at a higher tier in Zero, the 5th HGW was a complete casual shitshow by comparison.
Non-canonically? Kohaku. If regular masters are like having a battery for power usage, a Synchronizer is apparently like being hooked up to a goddamn power plant.

>> No.45803349

>>45803231
What was powering Saber Alter?

>> No.45803440

>>45803349
Sakura

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>she actually says the jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii out loud

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>>45803576

>> No.45803627
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Alright boys, it's official. We can cuck the foxwife with either Rin or the brown girl

>> No.45803644

>>45803627
Both are shit. Foxwife 4life

>> No.45803650

>>45803644
She says right after anyway that if you cheated on her, she'd kill you. She said it very cheerfully.

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>>45803576
caster love fox love tamamo love

>> No.45803654

>>45803653
When she says soul there, she means cock, right?

>> No.45803666

>>45803654
knowing her, she likely means both

>> No.45803680

>>45803666
She does seem like the kind of girl to give super sloppy bjs.

>> No.45803819

>>45801062
surely porting a VN is much simpler than a typical video game. it wouldn't have to sell a whole lot to make a good profit

>> No.45803951

>>45801062
VN's that sell 20-50k or more outside of non gameplay elements is huge and rare.

>> No.45803972

>>45803627
You're not being exultant about it, I hope?

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45803998

akshuyally extraverse Sakura is creepy. how can she evolve from robotic creature to a human?

>> No.45804080

>>45803998
someone gave her an unofficial patch

>> No.45804101
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Tohno is still the best TM protag, prove me wrong

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>> No.45804305

>>45804138
Aoko...

>> No.45804321

>>45804101
i don't want to. he's my favorite still.

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>> No.45805076

>>45804513
She'd make a good Netrunner.

>> No.45805314

Hi all. I just finished reading mahoutsukai. In short, this is a masterpiece. Fell in love with the novel and the characters. And the question arose, is there a continuation? I need more!!!

I found this news: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-05-18/type-moon-outlines-future-plans
"game has two sequels in the works, and that the the series's story "starts in earnest" with the second game."
Are these sequels already out?
Thanks for the answers and help)

>> No.45805492

lol

>> No.45805535
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>>45805314
>Are these sequels already out?
No and as of now the team isn't working on them, instead focusing on finishing Tsukihime -The other side of Red Garden-, the continuation of Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon-, which is a two-parter remake of the original Tsukihime from 2000.
If you enjoyed Witch on the Holy Night, then I would recommend reading Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon- (ignore the purists, play the original only if you want to see what the routes for Red Garden are). Keep in mind that it doesn't have an official translation yet (expected to come out at some point this year for Switch/Playstation) so if you want to play it now you'll need an emulator and the fan translation (you can find the translation patch in the thread OP).
As for a Mahoyo sequel, it's up in the air. Some of the key people have left and Type-Moon have been relatively ambiguous on what they'll do after Tsukihime, but it is possible to have the story of the other two parts delivered in a movie format. However the re-release and English versions seem to have sold well, so it's not impossible that they'll return to making Mahoyo 2 and 3.

>> No.45805794

»45805535
> I would recommend reading Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon-
Thanks for the advice, but unfortunately I already read the original. And also the original fate. I liked them, but I fell in love with mahoutsukai. I would really like to see the continuation of this incredible story.

Is there any way to make Nasu work faster? Threats, blackmail, pleas?)

>> No.45806165

>>45803181
I'd never do this

>> No.45806186

>>45805314
Nasu doesn't do direct sequels so we're never gonna see parts 2&3

>> No.45806478

>>45802855
>fgo players have a mental breakdown at the thought that their servant had a previous partner and aren't virgins
>many Tsukihime players consider the girl that was raped for years the best girl while not caring about the rape

>> No.45806495

>>45803653
>spit
Stupid fox, you claim something by pissing on it

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>>45806495

>> No.45806558

>>45806478
FGO's target audience includes 12 year olds.

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>>45788520
Nothing will top stay night

>> No.45807158

>>45807124
Tsuki and TsukiR have always been more entertaining to me.

>> No.45807174

>>45807124
funny enough after going through almost every major Type Moon piece of media this is still the same for me. The only thing coming close enough being Hollow Ataraxia and CCC
I have yet to read Mahoyo or TsukiR so that could change but who knows

>> No.45807193

>>45807174
>I have yet to read Mahoyo or TsukiR so that could change but who knows
It's funny because I like Saber and find Sakura to be meh waifu-wise, but in Tsukihime, I end up liking Kohaku the most while finding Arc to be meh.
Anyway, you definitely should read those works.

>> No.45807200

>>45807193
but after reading Tsukihime later on*

>> No.45807221

>>45807193
>>45807200
I definitely plan on it. I've already read the original Tsukihime and thoroughly enjoyed Far Side so I want to read the Remake but I'm also more interested in Mahoyo so that's next on my list.

>> No.45807222

>>45807193
For me it's the exact opposite. Saber always bored me to death, and I find Rin the most entertaining out of the FSN cast. In Tsuki Arc is the best girl no contest.

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>>45807193
I don't think Kohaku and Sakura have much in common.
Sakura spends most of her route in bed or you hauling her ass, before going loco near the end, with all the evil shit being mostly out of her control.
Kohaku has a master plan that started before the game and enacted everything by herself
While it is true that both of their plans are foiled by realizing they can pursue genuine love and happiness, instead of continuing their miserable existence fundamentally they are two different people who act in completely different ways
Also a big difference is that Sakura is genuinely happy to be around Senpai from Act 1, while Kohaku is keikaku doori.

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I wish Akiha tailed Shiki during one of his nightly hunts with Arc in Tsuki:Re. Then Shiki had to explain to Arc that this was his little sister.

>> No.45807362

>>45807337
Yeah, Sakura is more like a Sacchin who got a route of her own. Sakura and Kohaku don't have too much in common other than being cooks with maternal personalities who got raped by the family that took them in.

>> No.45807647

Could meodp see lines on ORT?

>> No.45807734

>>45807647
It was confirmed last year that it can, but it can't really kill him.

>> No.45807746

>>45807734
Why couldnt it kill him?

>> No.45807747

>finished Mahoyo
It’s time to ignore TM works til Red Garden comes out or whatever that FSN announcement is

>> No.45807823

>>45807747
Play Fate/Samura Remnant! Anyone here actually played that game, how is it?

>> No.45807927

How do oldfag anons handle the state of modern typemoon?

>> No.45807943

haha i'm 20

>> No.45808038

>>45807747
Stop pretending there will be an announcement.

>> No.45808048

>>45808038
A man can cope

>> No.45808074

>>45788589
>Hopes?
Information on Red Garden
>Fear?
No fear, only Type-Moon love.
>Realistic expectations?
A lot of Japanese words I don't understand.

>> No.45808127

>>45808074
>Information on Red Garden
Expecting some sort of announcement is cope enough but that's just ridiculous. They're not revealing anything about Tsukihime during the FSN 20th anniversary stream. How is the cast supposed to react to that? It would be at best insulting.

>> No.45808146

>>45808127
You know, my reading comprehension is bad enough that I just filtered the 20th anniversary thing. I guess it's true. In that case I don't expect anything other than lots of merch. Hopefully it's good merch.

>> No.45808327

>>45807823
>Anyone here actually played that game, how is it?
good
gameplay is standard Koei action stuff, story isn't bad either

>> No.45808357

>>45806558
Clearly those 12 years olds are much more respectable than those whore slurpers, they still retain their innocence.
All that they need to do is to abandon gacha hell and enjoy better things, like cool mecha stories.

>> No.45808362

Is Man off the Moon fanfic truly ded?

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>>45807746
>>45807647
Tepeu kills ORT after the concept of death is added but technically it's not said Tepeu couldn't see it beforehand afaik. Actually it mentions ORT has died before but just starts back up and lacks a biological death. They compare it to how humans are done for if they die even once but ORT is more like a machine and will just restart eventually. This is also said about MEoDP so seems absolute(Pic Related). When ORT dies to Tepeu(One life killed) the next time we see it is after it remakes itself conceptually so the death is legit in the same way it is for vampires. But Tepeu's eyes are weak so he likely didn't hit the point or is even able to see it. Otherwise ORT would have to be killed outright.

>> No.45808514

>>45808357
>cool mecha stories
But those don't exist?

>> No.45808537

>>45808362
What?

>> No.45808546

>>45808362
yeah pretty much
iirc author has a bunch of IRL stuff going on and also just lost interest in Fate

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>>45808514
Take the classic gundam pill you philistine

>> No.45808571

reminder that Nasu is such a /m/an that he literally had an interview with the guy behind Super Robot Wars and a good chunk of it was just him nerding out over how great SRW and mecha is
FGO is also chock-full of mecha references

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>>45808514
Why haven't you read Muramasa?

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>>45808554
I already watched Hathaway and it was pretty meh, why would a 40 year old series be better?

>> No.45808620

>>45808603
kill yourself

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>>45808580
I'm pretty sure that was a Vanillaware game 13 sentinels was GOTY-tier though, so I guess that disproves my claims.

>> No.45808762

>>45808571
I will never take another Nasu interview seriously after he told that chain chronicle guy to his fucking face how much the writing of that game impacted his daily life and inspired FGO for like 2 hours straight, only to then 6 months later say in a Tsukihime interview that phones are inherently a shitty medium for storytelling and everything you read on them will be forgettable

>> No.45808792

>>45808762
Those aren't contradictory statements?
Super Robot Wars might have had a great impact on him and inspired FGO, but that doesn't mean that FGO isn't presented on an inherently shitty storytelling medium. It's juts an inherently shitty storytelling medium that prints money.

>> No.45808845

>>45808792
learn to read, nobody is talking about your robot game :)

>> No.45808892

>>45808762
A lacking medium does not imply it cannot carry nice data, s/he is correct.
Shouldn't have picked phones, at any rate lmao
Really entered a dead end on that one.

>> No.45808921

>>45808892
It's not like Nasu is checkmated here, she can always hire a ghost writer to transfer the story to a more durable medium.

>> No.45808989

>>45808921
But can the popularity be retained?

>> No.45808997

>>45808921
i don't think anyone could truly imitate Nasu's autism, it'd be too obvious

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I'm tired of denying the truth and I'm gonna say it - I wish I was at least as half as chuuni as Nasu is!

>> No.45809901
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So is this similar thing to DAA Principles? DAA essentially unlocked their Origin powers?

>> No.45809950

>>45809901
Is it 原理 or 理?

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>>45809950
原理 it seems

>> No.45810140

>>45809601
nasu works are what i'd consider "chuunicore"
shit, look at Enhance: he's just Dante from the Devil May Cry series with the chuuni levels cranked up even higher

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>>45806478
Because rape is not the same thing as willingly sleeping around?

>> No.45810415

>>45807337
More importantly Kohaku straight up dies in some of the routes, for Good Ends even, that never happens with Sakura except for a bad end.

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>>45809901
>>45809950
I said it last week but what's happening is BB's Potnia Theron makes it so nothing of earthly origin can harm her. That's the key, nothing of EARTHLY origin. What you're doing in that mini-dungeon is resetting your servant's core so that they originate in the Moon Cell itself, not earth. Last I checked, the Moon Cell isn't Earth, it's Earth's moon. Your servant has been turned into an alien, it's basically a TYPE now.
Basically, it's the Macbeth loophole like pic related
>no man of woman born will kill me
>joke's on you bitch, I was a c-section so I technically wasn't born from a woman!

>> No.45810442

>>45810087
Interesting. Maybe it's the same concept.

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>>45810402
Unicorns are cringe and games should include more girls with previous experience for the sole purpose of bringing social outcasts back to reality.

>> No.45810480

>>45810444
I don't think it's that they're unicorns, this may make me sound like a schizo but after seeing how many of them post on this site cuz of /int/ and /vt/, I assume they're unironically just Indonesians and their brain is just operating on
>if a woman is raped, Allah says she deserved it and is no different from a slut

>> No.45810513

>>45809601
Why not just become chuuni?

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>>45810513
I'm too self-concious and have a crippling fear of making a fool out of myself.

>> No.45810548

>>45810528
Chuuni in proper sense detached from term's literal meaning is simply an earnest, bold existence.
Like a genius that gives no fucks, and can see things others never will, or someone like Kamina, who says what he means and feels head-on with no bullshit.

>> No.45810559

I unlocked Passionlip's SG1 but I can't seem to find The Little Mermaid the day after to proc Kiara's SG1, did I miss something?

>> No.45810564

>>45810559
It's in the library, should be a yellow question mark on a shelf at the right side of the room

>> No.45810574

>>45810564
Also I don't think it gives a Kiara SG, pretty sure what it does is update Andersen's servant matrix.

>> No.45810578

>>45810437
>LoTR circa 2024
>No man can kill me.
>I am no man. *stabs* What?!
>You will never be a real woman!

>> No.45810602

>>45810564
>>45810574
I have no memory of it but it seems I already managed to get it, I assume in my previous run.
And it doesn't, I just misread because the guide I'm using said after talking to Anderesen to talk to him again About Kiara

>> No.45810609

>>45810444
is she used goods?
if so, I'm interested

>> No.45810641

female hakuno is so cute and sexy AAAAAAA

>> No.45810686

>>45810444
>games should include more girls with previous experience for the sole purpose of bringing social outcasts back to reality.
That’s the theme of HF.

>> No.45810690

Merlin is such a great guy helping Shirou into Avalon (last episode manga version).

>> No.45810715

>previous experience is penis worms
10/10 would bang
>previous experience is other men
I'm staying a virgin

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>>45810690

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>>45810609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7U0YjNjh7o
>>45810686
And God bless Nasu for that.

>> No.45810728

>>45806478
Didn’t they add shit like Gawain saying that he can choose another woman since he is a servant now?

>> No.45810749

>>45806478
The amount of schizo mental illness of a servant being for you or not made leave those generals forever.

>> No.45810762

>>45810690
He pretty much spied on Shirou’s life when you think about it.
The weird part is that while the grail war is happening, there is already another post-HGW Saber sleeping in Avalon and waiting for Shirou.

>> No.45810777

>>45810749
Reminder that Void Shiki is for (You) but regular Shiki isn't

>> No.45810819

>>45810749
I remember that time when they gave a few lines from the girls (Like Kama) for Muramasa. Shit went to hell there and some of them even went to /a/ and posted about how Shirou got cucked even though Fate Saber isn’t in FGO timeline.
Now imagine Tohno gland in FGO

>> No.45810852

>>45810819
Shiki would be welfare, and someone will burn him. I imagine someone is going to be burning Iori too. I know they burned Sieg.

>> No.45810929

>>45810686
A terrible theme in many instances.
Outcasts vary.

>> No.45810944

>>45810437
That's not how it's described. It's stated to be the origin point of humanity which is the same rank as BB's original goddess origin.

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>>45810819

>> No.45810968

>>45810777
Why do you dorks ever assume (You) are ever you?

>> No.45810983

>>45810968
NTA, but If it's not me, then I'm just watching a series of NTR novels/games/etc where the main characters plow the girls I fall in love with. That is unacceptable.

>> No.45810984

>>45809901
Origin are not vampire principles.

>> No.45810989

>>45810952
god I wish that was me

>> No.45810992

>>45810968
"Void Shiki is for (You)" is literally a meme, anon

>> No.45811005

>>45810983
Why are you inserting yourself into seemingly random stories?
Are you incapable otherwise?

>> No.45811013

>>45810992
Be that as it may, it's not as if any other "for (You)" posters don't pop up all over the place here and there.

>> No.45811024

>>45810728
Gawain is a male servant, and female players generally don't care if a dude has had past relationships as long as it doesn't cause problems, and trust me when I say gay men REALLY don't care.

>> No.45811026

There really is a dinosaur Shiki? That's not a joke skit?
What exactly did he do?

>> No.45811034

>>45811005
NTA, but The MC is specifically made for self-inserting by removing the characterization. Nasu mentioned this once in an interview I think

>> No.45811039

>>45810777
>Temporary existence
>No meaningful memories
>Bond CE is a call back to meeting Mikiya(Staring at the sky on a snowy night).
Sure.

>> No.45811041

>>45810984
But vampire Principles are origins?

>> No.45811049

>>45811026
He managed to put a dent on ORT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASb5bTUiuFs

>> No.45811087

>>45811034
A character without characterization is simply a tabula rasa state being, and by mechanical nature of being its own entity, it's inherently not any other entity than itself, regardless of author or consumer intents, as in-story observation ultimately takes precedence by meaning and nature.
Self-insertion is a projective self-delusion, that begins and ends in the minds of those questionable enough to do it.
No matter how empty some shell can be, self-inserters will never become it, which only becomes more cruelly amusing when one sees people engage in unreasonable slander of bland and pure characters and other rabid behavior.

>> No.45811128

>>45811087
The distinction may sound tautological and perhaps pointless or vapid, but it is important both IRL and in stories, because on one hand, people who engage in self-inserting or loved a fictional character too much can and did go mad before, and because such people "without personality yet alive and self-same" can exist IRL as well.
In Nasu's setting the basic example of those are homunculi, in some sense Shirou and Ryougi Shiki before her split personalities were made.

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>>45811026
yeah, he's a supporting character in LB7, complete with having a thing with that timeline's equivalent of Arc
he dies after taking out one of ORT's healthbars with just a submachine gun

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>>45811087
>>45811128
None of this is important because Gudao/Gudako HAS a personality, and yes I mean in-game and not just the meme one from Riyo. It's just bland and inoffensive.

>> No.45811144

>>45811136
That's a familiar art style.
That Abby with creepy spooks artist?

>> No.45811156

>>45811139
Even better, then. At any rate, I'm not one to self-insert, not do I dislike pure people.
If anything, they're to be cherished. I too was pure, once.

>> No.45811171

>>45811136
Sounds fun in its own way.

>> No.45811188

>those guda crossdressing shots in manga adaptation
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>> No.45811206

>>45811188
It's kinda funny since Guda is just male Rin and Gudako is just female Shirou.

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>>45811206
It's why people joke that they're Rin and Shirou's kids

>> No.45811225

>>45811206
Wasn't Shirou originally genderswapped too?
Unsure about Rin.
Talk about full circle.

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>>45811026

>> No.45811250

>>45811041
They aren't

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I love Hiroe Rei so much.

>> No.45811273

>>45811270
WHERE IS BLACK LAGOON CONTINUATION?

>> No.45811275

>>45811144
it's the abby in bloodborne artist
>>45811139
>>45811156
also yeah, Guda has enough of a personality that one of the twists in Paper Moon is literally foreshadowed by them acting out of character (specifically, freezing up when a bunch of innocent people get massacred when they'd normally be rushing in to stop it)

>> No.45811289

>>45811270
it's funny how I'll see English speakers seething over FGO's portrayal of Mesoamerican stuff being heckin problematic or whatever
meanwhile the response from actual Latam dudes is "I want to fuck Quetz, Kuku, and Tlaloc until my dick stops working and then grab some beers with Tezca"

>> No.45811300

>>45811289
It's incredibly silly, isn't it?
Probably actual ancient Mesoamericans would be creaming themselves over cute anime grill iconography when its done right.
Cool, sexy, unique colors, everything's so novel and pretty, like a worthy offering.

>> No.45811302

>>45811225
>Wasn't Shirou originally genderswapped too?
Yes but Ayaka Sajyou is nothing like Shirou

>>45811289
>it's funny how I'll see English speakers seething over FGO's portrayal of Mesoamerican stuff being heckin problematic or whatever
They only really complain about this when white people do it.

>> No.45811305

>>45811289
White people have this thing they where they'll get offended on the behalf of people of other races. Like no black DBZ fan characters that the Black character in OG Dragon Ball's name was literally Black.

>> No.45811314

>>45811289
westoids are a plague

>> No.45811328

>>45811225
You have to remember that Prototype was a fucking otoge where Saber/Lancer/Archer were all ikemen that wanted to fuck the MC

>> No.45811333

>>45811087
The thing is they're meant to be the player. But FGO is a bad game and you can't actually do a properly immersive experience. You don't have the framework to build your own story or any agency at all. And so you just get the absolute most barebones vessel for your delusions. The most inoffensive middle ground that the most number of people can identify with or at least pretend to. They then ensure they mute the avatar as much as possible and don't stray out of the box so as to not create any conflict with the player. It's a situation where you get the worst of all worlds because they still need a MC that can head towards the finish line of the narrative but tie them to the player so they are not independent.

>> No.45811334

>>45811305
They do not, nor do "white" people in that sense exist. The phenomenon you refer to is intellectual-spiritual corruption and domestication of gullible people, ensnared by social engineers in service to current Western world shareholders.

>> No.45811348

>>45811305
>Like no black DBZ fan characters that the Black character in OG Dragon Ball's name was literally Black.
Because that's unironically a case of, as the Abridged creators said
>never seen Dragonball, who dis
Because there's a hilariously large amount of DBZ fans in the west that never watched the original show.

>> No.45811357

>>45811333
In retrospect, would an MMO work out better? Something like PSO2 but fate series.

>> No.45811360

>>45811300
>>45811302
>>45811305
>>45811314
when that Nasu interview where he said Tez's taste in movies is
>American movies that your dad would like. Like Clint Eastwood type heavy stories
dropped, an actual Mexican person I know was just like "wow that's the exact same kind of shit my dad likes lmao"

>> No.45811365

>>45811357
Then again, that actually would be much harder and much worse.
They'd need Blizzard tier amount of work just to stay afloat.

>> No.45811370

>>45811357
FGO's development can be traced back to the original Apoc MMO project iirc

>> No.45811382

>>45811370
As in Apocrypha MMO?
Huh, learn something new everyday.

>> No.45811396

>>45811250
Neither is the stuff in CCC. Origins is just a KnK concept.

>> No.45811398

>>45811360
>"wow that's the exact same kind of shit my dad likes lmao"
Tbf the dollars trilogy, and the third movie in particular, are just fantastically well-made films that hold up insanely well. This isn't just "shit your dad likes", I almost feel like you would have to have an almost pathological hatred of western movies to dislike The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. I only saw it for the first time last year and I couldn't believe how goddamn amazing that movie is.

>> No.45811416

>>45811243
Is this implying that AE can only be freed by killing her?

>> No.45811417

>>45811357
Not really with how incompetent TYPE-MOON is

>> No.45811421

>>45811382
yeah, Apoc originated as a PvP-focused MMO
it got canned in the early planning stages and the existing concepts were recycled for the LN
>>45811398
true
it is funny how every single Latam fan seems to agree that Tez is specifically that one shady but really cool uncle everyone seems to have

>> No.45811429
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>Was actually viable in Apocrypha Grail Wars and all Hassans ruled the meta for a while
APOLOGIZE

>> No.45811433

>>45811225
Ayaka is an entirely different character.
Shirou was based on the 90s hero with flawed ideals at the time like Vash.

>> No.45811458

>>45811396
Yeah. Nasu just comes up with new shit for different series and rolls his eyes while we argue about how they're ackshually the same.

>> No.45811462

>>45811300
Continuing this thought line just because.
Consider, when looked at with a pure mind, not unlike a child or properly mature human, when one can assess things exactly as they are by their actual merits and demerits, anime art styles, especially those that are both realistic in anatomy and detail depth, including facial ones, can be extremely beautiful.
Not only do they possess a peculiar timeless alienness in the way super detailed body meshes with a (not necessarily) simpler face, which also can look alien due to broader anime facial design conventions, humanely yet inhumanely equidistant, yet simultaneously also completely realizable IRL in any detail, both as is, as is but with any extra details, and as direct extrapolation to normal human look.
Were in those most ancient times someone made anime art as it is now, perhaps some could've considered those as true works of art so hard, that it's not unthinkable to that those could've became religious and traditional iconography elements, and influence other areas.
Anime murals and waifus in theological books, now that's a thought.
Not that I'm even an amateur in art, what do I know, but man, sounds sexy as fuck.

>> No.45811474

>>45811433
Were 90s heroes in Japanese different from those in the West? IIRC Western "90s hero" is a kill em' all vigilante, anti-heroes, classic action hero, etc.

>> No.45811477

>>45811433
the funny thing about Shirou is that he's one of those heroes who by all rights would normally be a villain

>> No.45811488

>>45811421
Also, the real star and main character of The Good The Bad and the Ugly (Tuco) is a Mexican man. I mean, he's actually played by a Jewish Guy from New York in brownface but his performance is so goddamn convincing and the makeup is so well-done that I thought he legitimately was a Mexican actor, and apparently so did a lot of people.
But that's not important, what's important is when you consider in most westerns Mexican characters were just faceless there to threaten women and for the hero to gun down, I'm not surprised a lot of LatAm watchers would love that the main character of this movie, while a scumbag out for himself, is also an intelligent, impassionated man that genuinely does care about things beyond his own skin.

>> No.45811493

>>45811360
>Tez's taste
That was Daybit.

>> No.45811498

>>45811477
How come? He only goes nuts in hf and some other bad ends.
Otherwise he's just a somewhat inept anti-hero.
Archer's probably unsummonable without Avenger in the grail too, now that I think about it.

>> No.45811509

>>45811493
nah, the question Nasu was asked in that interview was
>Q: Daybit mentioned that Tez likes watching movies. What genre does he like?

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>>45811458
To be fair the CCC scene is called Retroflow - Primordial Daybreak, while the scene where Shiki falls into Arc's Principle is called Retroflow - Celestial Conception.

>> No.45811521

>>45811512
Totally not ominous.

>> No.45811546

>>45811509
Your translation is wrong.

>> No.45811548

>>45811314
Just a corruption.
Ironically, there would never be any works by Nasu like you know without Western influence, Wizards of the Coast to be exact.

>> No.45811565
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45811565

>Arihiki never get to meet Arc

>> No.45811569

Why didn't Wada put nipples on Archer?
Isn't that a bit cruel?

>> No.45811579

>>45811521
This is what Shiki has to go through to fuck white women. That description is really cool though. Angel's Wheel?

>> No.45811584

>>45811565
I'd think Arihiko would just silently give him a thumbs up

>> No.45811589

>>45811565
Are Arcueid and Saber the biggest examples of old lust over a passerby woman yet?

>> No.45811601

>>45811579
Maybe makes more sense in context, got any more text?
I certainly won't play tsukire any time soon, no space on disk, ancient computer.

>> No.45811603

>>45811512
>>45811521
Aoko's Last Arc in MBAACC is Retroflow - Genesis Light Year... which is also a name ascribed to Goetia's plan in FGO (note that the earliest reference to Goetia and the Human Order Incineration was also in MBAA, where Arc tells Dust of Osiris that "the approach of overcoming death by reducing all things to zero" had already been tried before by "the Ancient 'I'")

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>>45811589
That's just japanese men being horny for exotic white girls cough Takeuchi cough

>> No.45811616

>>45811603
>the Ancient 'I'
Need a refresher on this one. Sounds disturbing, but I won't draw a connection yet.

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>>45811605
>what a babe! Is she a model?
Is Saber supposed to be super attractive? Her personality is fucking adorable but I was always under the impression that she's kind of a basic bitch white woman, especially since she's perpetually like...14, because she stopped physically aging ever since she pulled out the sword.

>> No.45811637

>>45811605
Not really a Japanese exclusive phenomenon if you think about it.
I'm Russian, but I've seen some exotic women on occasion, including a teasy dark-skinned tomboy. Unsure of her ethnos, maybe half-African, but she was bit thick.

>> No.45811640

>>45811616
we don't get any expansion on it other than that line
Goetia's referred to as "the "I" of the Original Sin" (in both cases, "Ichi" is in quotation marks)
the description Arc gives doesn't fully match up with Goetia's plan, but it's presumably referring to his Tsukihime equivalent

>> No.45811645

>>45811605
I'm the reverse where I start lusting after cute asian girls.

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>>45811629
Anon, this is what Shiro(In this case, Archer) thought of Saber. There is no way Saber is a basic white woman.

>> No.45811654

>>45811629
I've been on /int/ long enough to know that guys from countries where white people are an extreme minority, will drag their dick through a mile of broken glass at the chance to fuck the average blonde white chick.

>> No.45811659

>>45811654
Those people sound silly.

>> No.45811663

>>45811659
It's the whole "you want what you can't have"

>> No.45811669

>>45811663
Ah, that particular mess of issues. Yeah, I can see that.

>> No.45811672

>>45811659
It's more of an exotic fetish thing.
It's like white people having brown or yellow fever. >>45811629
I am pretty sure that the knights used to brag to their enemies about how beautiful their androgynous king is in Garden of Avalon.

>> No.45811687

>>45811640
>>45811616
>>45811603
also worth noting that Nasu stated in a 4Gamer interview that the fact that Goetia's plan shares a name with Aoko's attack is intended to hint at some stuff regarding the Fifth Magic
https://www.4gamer.net/games/266/G026651/20170302098/index_2.html

>> No.45811692

>>45811672
>I am pretty sure that the knights used to brag to their enemies about how beautiful their androgynous king is in Garden of Avalon.
Hilarious.
Imagine "Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks" but the enemy actually spams compliment letters and purple prose.

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>>45811601
It's basically Shiki travelling backwards to the beginning of creation to make the celestial egg imperfect and wake Arc up. They mentionIt's a phenomena that like happens in an instant. I don't think it or DA principles have any relation to Fate stuff. The angel symbolism is probably related to Roa and Arc though since the ritual site is called the ladder to heaven if I'm remembering right.

>> No.45811699

>>45811695
>They mention
Dunno how that got there.

>> No.45811700

>>45811695
In what sense Roa sought to define that, define as in discern to indeed "know everything" and put it to words, or define as in impose his own perspective?

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>>45811692
found it.

>> No.45811707

>>45811695
The more I look at this Tsuki remake and extrapolate it with some IRL occult data here and there, the more hopelessly tragic it looks to me.

>> No.45811709

>>45811705
My thanks.
Also the last sentence reads like a happy sex end from hentai doujin lmao

>> No.45811714

>>45811579
>Angel's Wheel?
Referring to Calvaria's Star.

>> No.45811715

>>45811700
basically, Roa's end goal is that he wants to see the triumph of science over all mysteries of the universe, and immortality is just a means to allow him to do so

>> No.45811720

>>45811715
In a sense, that already has happened eons ago, practically a foregone conclusion.

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45811728

When will Enhance show up?
>in4 Fate

>> No.45811732

>>45811695
The image shows the egg, right?
YOU WILL GIVE ME AN EGG!

>> No.45811738

>>45811728
Imagine if they get Toshiyuki Morikawa to voice him (voiced Dante in the anime, DMC4 Special Edition, Marvel vs Capcom 3, Both Project X Zones, and Devil May Cry 5). He also voices Doma, and for FF fans, he's famous as Sephiroth.

>> No.45811741

>>45811728
Enhanced Edition
lol

>> No.45811742

>>45811720
remake Roa's great because he's an absurdly competent and manipulative villain offscreen
and then he shows up and he's nothing but polite and likeable
hilarious how he's a genuine threat in part because he has an actual plan beyond just "1.) do magecraft 2.) become immortal 3.) ??? 4.) profit!"

>> No.45811745

>>45811700
I think the former. Part of Roa's deal is seeking the means to reach eternity and survive until the end of human existence because he himself doesn't have the power to bring all to nothing. It's crazy writing when you realize that the power to bring all to nothing he's referencing is Shiki's long before Tsuki.

>> No.45811747

>>45811742
Technically any proper magus is supposed to be competent and with a plan, so...

>> No.45811758

>>45811745
Not all the crazy. He's a professional theologist and esoterician, those fields much like any "enlightenment" pursuits already contemplated much ages ago.

>> No.45811761

>>45811747
anon we both know that "competent" and "magus" are usually antonyms
"common sense" is a vanishingly rare and treasured ability among magi, and Roa actually has some degree of it

>> No.45811771

>>45811761
Common sense is not competence, it's merely common sense to whatever contemporality and conlocality there is. It's resultative when it is, not when it's not.
Best mages are those with least common sense, which already can include common sense too.
Ironically, in spite of being a poor magus-magus Kiritsugu is also a proper one too, explicitly because he's uncommon.

>> No.45811786

>>45811758
I meant Nasu's writing.

>> No.45811788

>>45811786
Ah.

>> No.45811790

>>45811732
Yes, Shiki's zooming down the time canal to his waifu's defenseless egg.

>> No.45811798

>>45811705
Was it ever stated before FGO that if allowed to age she'd become a tiddymonster?

>> No.45811799

>>45811790
Is Shiki's origin known? Because depending on what it is...

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>>45811695
>It's a phenomena that like happens in an instant
Where was that stated? What's wacky about that scene is that Arcueid's heart, the Celestial Egg resides before the big bang or it's the big bang itself. The crimson cosmos is at the earliest stages of the entire universe, not just the point of the creation of the planet.

>> No.45811806

>>45811799
I would not be surprised if it's something generic like "death"

>> No.45811813

>>45811798
No reason to assume it to be impossible.
A healthy woman would have assets, that dragon blood would have to shine in some way.
Ergo expression as greater quality sexual characteristics.

>> No.45811816

>>45811804
I'm just assuming since we see Shiki flying past then getting wrapped up in the phenomena and moving at crazy speeds and then barely passing it. The whole thing must have taken almost no time at all for an outside observer I think.

>> No.45811817

>>45811799
judging by how much pussy he gets, OG Tohno Shiki's origin is probably Virility or something

>> No.45811820

>>45811806
Welp, in that case that would explain much. An embodied death impetus in spirit core zone ought to bring some issues.
Methinks poor Shiki is just a puppet, in the end.

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>>45811798
>just let her go another 10 years without Avalon and she turbomogs every other woman in the VN
All I can think of is her wearing the "your son calls me 'mommy' too" t-shirt

>> No.45811825

>>45811820
In the end, aren't we all puppets of God?

>> No.45811835

>>45811825
As ill defensible as the notion may be, not necessarily, no, and the Architect itself might have an opinion on that too. Mere puppetry after all, is not Life.

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>>45811816
Well, he explicitly entered a different universe with different laws of physics. Also Shiki was falling towards the Event Storing vortex at Arcueid's feet that was storing all phenomena.

>> No.45811840

>>45811799
>>45811820
We don't know but I think "Killing" or "Death" would be what you'd think of. Shiki's action principle is his being as Nanaya the killer or I guess when he inverts and he's said to be a rare human being specialized for killing. He's also the final heir of an ancient lineage of killers who pass down karma to their children.

>> No.45811843

>>45811822
I can't look at anything about Kings Arthurs without considering that Arthur is also a man in most interpretations, so it becomes complete wacko existential crises galore thing.

>> No.45811861

>>45811822
imagine shimaidon with her and Morgan

>> No.45811863

>>45811835
And puppetry itself is not mere, it does not apply here either, that's to say it's a worthy pursuit on its own, but Life is not a "play doll" game, that is shallow, both to all, and to the art itself.

>> No.45811878

>>45811840
No mere killing, anti inhuman killers.
Any select Arc is practically an eldritch abomination either partially or completely.

>> No.45811910

>>45811843
I can look past it because they took away Arthur's fatal flaw in order to give Artortia a completely different, fundamentally new one. Cuz yeah, Arthur had problems, but it wasn't "not understanding his people". The concept of the fatal flaw comes from Greek tragedy, and in those stories bad things happen because the character has some fatal flaw that will inevitably lead to their downfall but is also so intrinsic that they wouldn't be the same person without it.

Arthur's fatal flaw was the same as his father's the one that got his father killed: he couldn't keep it in his pants.

>> No.45811923

>>45811910
As someone not versed in Arthurian myth, this is Interesting.
While I heard theories that Arthur is an illegal king, an usurper, it's not hard to consider potential overeagerness in that venue, but I thought Arthur was ultimately betrayed, rather than being a betrayer, or otherwise out of line, no?

>> No.45811928

>>45811923
>While I heard theories that Arthur is an illegal king, an usurper
No? There was this whole debate because at first they thought he was a bastard, but he was the legitimate son of Uther Pendragon, the previous kind.
> but I thought Arthur was ultimately betrayed, rather than being a betrayer, or otherwise out of line, no?
He was but that comes way later. Arthur was 93 when he died at the Battle of Camlann.

>> No.45811932

>>45811928
>kind.
king*

>> No.45811937

>>45811928
Man, what an age to battle at!
Wasn't average man's lifespan in those times somewhere in 35-40s?

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>>45811839
This is probably the most insane scene in TM. All the mages of the universe would want to probe Shiki's head after this.

>> No.45811942

>>45811923
>As someone not versed in Arthurian myth, this is Interesting.
When you read the story, Arthur comes across like a gigachad version of Makoto from School Days. He had terminal, stage 4 coombrain and it's really not surprising that it led to his downfall.

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Why does Fate Shirou have big ass gears in his UBW? Even Archer doesn't have those

>> No.45811951

>>45811948
Broken mechanism symbolic implications.
Likely much, much worse esoteric implications.

>> No.45811956

>>45811942
Wew, to that extent?
That vn's a bit fucked up. Well, at least he's not at Makoto's dad level.

>> No.45811966

>>45811956
No that's Arthur's dad, who betrays and murders one of his closest allies just so he could fuck the dude's wife. Said woman is Morgan and Arthur's mother.

>> No.45811977

>>45811966
Makes one wonder how much of it is due to their sins, and how much is due to supposedly cursed nature of British land.

>> No.45811991

>>45811977
I'm pretty sure at least one of the motivations for Morgan getting knocked up by her brother and giving birth to the pseudo-antichrist Mordred is revenge for her father's murder being extended to the son.

>> No.45811998

>>45811804
Wouldn't this mean the earth is the actual beginning of the universe?

>> No.45812002

>>45811998
Ostensibly. That's why Outer deities also want to stake claim on this reality.

>> No.45812027

>>45811951
>Likely much, much worse esoteric implications.
explain?

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>>45811966
Wait is that in the actual myth or is that just from the movie Excalibur? Because I love that film but it fucking plays hard and fast with the mythology for making everything sexier, bloodier, and more grand in scale.

>> No.45812049

Neat spin on Arthur x Morgan interplays were in doctor Who, I think. They battled each other like two opposing forces, IIRC.

>> No.45812061

>>45812032
it's not like that in the original myth, originally Igraine's husband wasn't an ally of Uther, and in fact dies in battle against Uther's forces (this is after Merlin uses glamouring magic to disguise Uther as said husband so he can fuck her first, which is how Arthur was conceived)

>> No.45812097

>>45812061
Was any of that in the original myth or was that just later frog fanfiction?

>> No.45812099

>>45812032
No the story of Arthur really starts with extreme NTR. Igraine thought she was fucking her husband who was already dead at that point.
In terms of grandness of scale Arthur later conquers Rome and gets crowned emperor. His legend is pretty much just bad fanfiction.

>> No.45812120

>>45812097
the whole "Uther impregnated his wife while magically disguised as him while he was getting killed by Uther's army outside" thing was from the Historia Regum Britanniae, so it's not French
there's no real "original" myth when it comes to Arthur

>> No.45812146

>>45812120
>there's no real "original" myth when it comes to Arthur
Ok yes but when people say that they mean that there's 2 "main" versions that basically all the other versions in history sprout from. There's the Welsh's Historia Regum Britanniae by Geoffrey of Monmouth, and Le Morte d'Arthur by Thomas Malory which compiled and translated a bunch of French stuff. Annales Cambriae and the Historia Brittonum have little mythology to them.

>> No.45812147

>>45812027
In simpler sense he is rusty, his soul is being ground down until nothing remains by despair, he has trouble continuing.
It will need a bit of beating around the bush.
Though it's not the same kanji IIRC, Shirou's pronounced name (i.e. White) in is incredibly ironic, because his origin is extremely dark.
Have you considered what the origin of "sword" truly means, how Shirou came to be, and what summon heroic spirit spell may be actually doing? Sword in truest sense is not, and never was a simple cutting tool. It's the same thing as what Destiny game series describe as "the first knife" in the pattern game.
A metaphysical separator, a pen that puts the last dot, an artist's brushstroke, the concept of undeniable argument stopper, the winning pattern, an abstract knife. In that sense he and all MEoDP Shikis are exactly the same, they possess power to kill in a conclusion.
Such an origin inherently cannot be of lesser grade, the idea that Emiya can project subpar NPs is at the core false, because metaphysical sword is beyond any gradation. It is THE Sword, and as such would be at bare minimum the penultimate rank second only to Most High, because THE Sword cannot be anything less than itself, perfect by its inherent nature.
Emiya's powers are limited by the World itself, which in a sense's third personal referral like "This is the only magic allowed to Emiya Shirou", a veneer constructed upon Shirou's being to dupe or to use him.

His origin is ultimately destructive, which is why in abstract ways, in the same way Kiritsugu's whole life was a mess that makes more messes, and the World is a mess too, Araya's perpetuation onwards, Shiki's transcendent nature that transcended her own story, her romance with Kokutou's (who's stated to be so "specifically" nice which in a sense makes him her partial antithesis as Nothingness in other terms is also known as Chaos) created AZaka, whose origin is Taboo — Shirou's capability is to endure hell and eventually win.

cont.

>> No.45812155

>>45812099
>No the story of Arthur really starts with extreme NTR.
I mean so did Excalibur

>> No.45812170

>>45812155
Is that not what was being asked

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>>45811822
It couldn't be allowed to happen because she'd be unbeatable

>> No.45812193

>>45812187
Why is Shirou embarassed?

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>>45812193
He's not, he's clearly crying because she shattered his pelvis.

>> No.45812206

>>45812187
if shirou summoned tituria he'd become universally despised by his male schoolmates out of envy as soon as they found out, what with him getting to live with a tall blonde foreign woman with breasts bigger than her head and all
sakura commits suicide instantly

>> No.45812214

>>45812147
To instantly jump to "terrible implications" part, the issue is that if Shirous are like perfect machines, or at least a replica, it'd take extreme damage to hurt Archer that much, much more than mere "suffering at having to kill innocents eternally", which is not mere either. Sword can endure it, it can adapt, it can overcome it, even to the point of reaching a timeline to interact with younger self through coincidental events for a temporary moral and spirit boost, as connection can likely go both ways.
He can endure that hell, unless something abstractly terrible is happening, that encroaches on CG's soul, which given their timeless nature as protectors, an Emiya's unique nature as conditional all-purpose spirit, and the same issue of encroaching death/extinction prevalent in many TM works, means likely really serious enemies.

Next, the Heroic Spirit summon logical flaw. The Throne of Heroes exists outside of time, even in relation to a locked timeline set system which prunes itself like a garden tree. It registers noteworthy accomplishments, which is an extremely arbitrary bar, and in a sense it is related to beauty, yet it also summons rumors, which directly but subtly contradicts the same arbitrary bar.
As extreme capabilities can break reality domain, and reality itself can mutate, one can posit that there are no heroic spirits, there is The Heroic Spirit itself, analogous to the Holy Spirit, and any heroic spirit instance are simply its chosen avatars of historically passable, and historically adapted beauty by which it expresses itself, the term Servant has extra implications here, and so do any opinions (and judgemental by-plays between spirits) by presupposed first hero, Gilgamesh, whom may very well been the first truly even in retroactive sense, in spite of his predecessors.
Ergo, the summon spell actually creates spirits on sight, because the Source from which they call heroes by outcome and/or reality transcending nature of heroes is paradoxical in its content, timelessness means any era, yet heroism is not human limited, ergo any lifeform. Ergo, The Throne is infinite in scope, and can manifest any possible spirit there is, and the purpose of Holy Grails is to recreate select conditions to reach to that source.

In spite of logical paradox, only a handful of weird entities were ever summoned.
It is due to...
Cont.

>> No.45812218

>>45812206
>sakura commits suicide instantly
Rin goes full cope mode and insists that she's DEFINITELY not jealous

>> No.45812221

>>45812206
it's funny because given the few times Artoria showed up around school most of the guys are already really jealous. Titoria showing up would be hilarious

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>>45812206
Reminder that Archer has bigger breast than Arcueid

>> No.45812224

>>45812203
obligatory giwtwm

>> No.45812236

>>45812223
the only characters who canonically have higher B measurements (by virtue of having canon numbers) than him are Angelica, Jinako, and Lip last I checked (he's actually one unit larger than fucking Kiara)
he's second highest with W and H, Jinako taking first place in both because chubby NEET sex uwooogh

>> No.45812240

>>45812223
>>45812236
...that's because men have wider chests, the bust measurement only really works with women

>> No.45812257

>>45812214
... rather not impossibly, the Heroic Spirit's Ego.
Simply put, all the heroes in all ages possess an obvious quality, peculiarity of which is never examined, namely some or many strong character traits. Strong character to save or destroy the world.
The issue here, which in a way is shown through Gil's rejection of divine bridgegap role, is that many heroes are in some ways very frivolous as to their conduct. They, like magi, go where they want and do what they please, deem right or not (regardless whether it is true or not), etc.
They do not do not act like a true Hero of Justice ever would, they don't act like Messiah, they don't walk towards hell.

Issue here then, is that the way Emiya came to be is extremely artificial at some perspective. His entire existence is an allegory for sword making. Or in other words, a ritual, that spanned entire his planet's history and multiple high import entities.
If Shirou is to his CG title employment is what all other heroic spirits to Heroic Spirit as the their generation source, as that Holy Spirit, Shirou then is not mere a faker, either he is an artificial recreation of Holy Spirit itself, with his library rapidly boosted by replicating any thus far crystallized feats and history slices (NPs and spirits themselves), a derailed recreation deliberately weakened, or a magical cybernetic/alchemic attempt to refine Heroic Spirit from its current state to force the Heroic Spirit to do what it was meant to, its eternal duty to battle all evil, in which case Shirou has extra access to it.
In either case, Muramasa's fate cutting sword is no coincidence.
His RM isn't a recreation of toothpicks, it's a backup record, that was created because someone, either in human domain, or in divine, or anywhere else's has decreed that the hero who will battle this hell is necessary, or attempts to break humanity and Alaya by creating divide between its protection systems.


cont.

>> No.45812354

>>45812257
Or it's Alaya itself, whose spirit emergent consciousness is not in accord with what Holy Spirits deem, and as such needs a more compliant entity who will protect humanity.

Or, perhaps, it's an attempt to stop The Sword from turning upon reality itself. You see, origins are impetuses, and those will proceed where they must. The Sword will cut, it is inevitable, the question is "what" or "whom", etc that will be cut by it.
Either Shirou was warped into this Origin, which can mean that original Shirou was actually much more dangerous, or he was refined into this role (implications of conclusions by providence or any other entity upon choice about reality's future, absolute good heroes of justice are imperative otherwise this world will collapse or fall into tragedy that may return/always was there/extinction is merely delayed and never stopped/humanity was never saved/no just deities exist/despair encroaches on reality/the dreamers try to break in again to devour the universe/ultimate chaos no longer cares about this reality/catastrophic heartbreak upon some heroic entity is expediting calamity or causes it/corrupt original timelines/any other fatalistic hypothetical), or imposed unto it much like Angra was.
To go on a tangent here, contrariwise to presumed fabrication, Zoroastrianism is a serious entity, and Absolute Evil is not in fact predestined to lose unless it itself decrees it, and it also is Good by concept operation. Concurrently, and some few noted this, as this reality and IRL one are consistently dark, and are created from destruction, it is made from Evil itself, likely redeemed one, which means Ahura is the actual strongest TM deity, as the nature of Evil is to cause unrepairable outcomes, and only the Most High can fuck things up to that level.

One can posit that he's a roundabout Angra avatar as well, the brush with flames may have been a rapid recreation of that ritual.
Plus to battle evil it's best to use evil as well, so it's that much more intimate between the pure innocence, absolute darkness, sword logic interplay.
At any rate, Shirou whole life is an utter coincidence of completely improbable events to such an extent that people like Zelretch cannot perceive their position in it, or perhaps he knows exactly what he did, and Avenger summon was just as predestined.

There are too many sins to count. An entity that can bear all sins of reality, as such in roundabout way metaphysically evacuating sinners from suffering the consequences of their life because only one entity suffers at all time — the purpose of true Messiah and God, some people do not want to be themselves, do not want the burden of suffering, while others are hedonists who want to revel in them, to the point that they will betray their species or anyone and mine souls of others, impose any order/nation/magic/language/slavery/belief/ideology/etc just to suck out all emotion and soul from all — means no actual happenstances occur. Yet they do, because they all commit two of the gravest sins of all there are, they either betray the hero, or they create a cosmic/species-scale scapegoat unto which they will impose all their twisted desires under strung up pretext that no damage is done.

Sounds like a passable moral escape in the cosmic solution to the problem of evil, doesn't it?
No.
The equivalent response to such absolute misery, and in those instances where it's also absolute betrayal are absolute torture and absolute despair. All shall be destroyed and raped, because no innocent beings bar those that are exist, and cosmos that is made upon destruction will inevitably collapse, because it exists in spite, not because.
Ergo the metaphysical in numerous manifestations Sword is let loose at last, the absolute nuclear solution to either redeem the world, redeem the dream, to sustain the status quo, or to kill all that may potentially qualify as evil.

cont.

>> No.45812359

Autism

>> No.45812375

>>45812359
Metaphysics are metaphysics. Just because you cannot see how encroaching horrors can encroach doesn't mean you cannot be found guilty of some sin.
Or, opposite to that, cannot be turned into a sinner just to be 'legitimately' tortured later on.
Extra spiritual revenue, eh?
Magic exists, regardless of what anyone thinks on the matter, spiritualists included.

>> No.45812399

Well, it's nice to have one of these threads occasionally.

>> No.45812404

>>45812359
hello, welcome to Type-Moon

>> No.45812418

>>45812354
Ergo, the solution is to ensnare those impetuses in human flesh puppets that will hold them back, or perhaps to impose them on those humans to realize them.
Ergo the issue with Emiya here, is that he may be suffering much more than he even realizes (and in some ways so do all heroic spirits, it's their job to) because his unique conditions in conjunction with unusual nature of the Throne, and as such paradoxical amount of information he, and his larger grander soul of which he is not consciously aware of, receives, causes his soul to suffer much more despair, because his moral ideal by necessity demands him to battle all evils alone, and his soul is likely seen much more terror than any other heroic spirit on Earth bar several human and inhuman entities present on the planet, or tangential to its survival.
His ultimate enemies are enemies of humanity, and are eldritch in nature, including, quite possibly, himself and humanity, because past point of select certainties there are too many enemies to list.

Hence the rusty gears. Even an unyielding idealist can reach a breaking line, as at some point one may question why not simply kill the evil at its source, once and for all.

In some hypotheticals, this is one of the reasons for suffering increase on the planet. Destruction impetus advances by any hole in reality it can find, by any moral connotation and means necessary.
Implementators are irrelevant.
That is what it means to be a Sword, everyone else is just target practice.

>> No.45812437

>>45812418
Worse than that, in order for humanity to survive, it must progress.
The byproduct to that is sharp and erratic, and ultimately exponential increase in extinction risks to entire reality.
Which means that as humanity evolves, the hypothetical misery that cannot be pruned may become worse and worse, ergo Emiya not only has to kill people, but he will kill so many of them eventually/already did/always did, that the sheer corpse toll is beyond calculation.
He is quite literally in Hell.

>> No.45812447

>>45812437
Thankfully, there is hope for him, and for the World too (I hope), but that's all I'll say.

>> No.45812515

>>45812418
>Hence the rusty gears. Even an unyielding idealist can reach a breaking line, as at some point one may question why not simply kill the evil at its source, once and for all.
Concurrently, this is also a cosmic horror and an utter tragedy, because evil can actually be redeemed.
This reality is evil, yet it is also good, and not just because the two can interplay in any way, and be the same thing.
So the ultimate answer of absolute justice doing its duty once and for all is also an evil act that runs counter to the beautiful ideal, to justice itself, and too many other things.
After all, undoing redemption of evil will simply result in actual evil returning, which may also be a plot to return it to original state.
Which means Emiya and similar cosmic entities not only have to battle other entities, but themselves.
More on a serious joke note, you know that statement about women, hell and scorn? Well imagine that all women being evil is actually a quite literal statement, so when they break or collapse they simply return that beauty impetus, as darkness, beauty, last cuts and sculptures are all intertwined, but with them being redeemed you can't see it.
How does one save evil from itself? One shoulders it. Battling impossible odds even if one's weaker than others who can stop them, taking upon all despair to make others smile, combating it endlessly even as one cannot win, redeeming all mortals and gods, redeeming what one must, and not what one must not and ditto for destruction, and sparing the Most High its nightmares, saving the world the true way — this is the true glory of man.
The glory so grand it can marry good and evil and save both, resultant in the promise/love between good men and good/evil women, enough to redeem evil without losing it, gaining good evil in the process.

In other words, tragedy as usual.

But I digress.

>> No.45812554

>>45812515
After all, the relationship between that one true Hero of Justice and Evil itself is incredibly intimate.
Those two know each other so well. They were together for so long. None other can keep up with the Hero but his eternal enemy, and the toll was so terrible that only IT can truly understand him anymore, for He has lost so much. Might as well have sex.
But fucked up soul shattering cosmic sex creates similarly fucked up results, boy!

>> No.45812563

>>45812399
You say that like this supbar theory crafting means I'm actually autistic or spam thread at all.
I'm being an utter, complete idiot for writing anything on the matter at all, or even talking to others here, I'll acknowledge that much, but I resent the autism accusation!

>> No.45812572

>>45812563
I didn't call you autistic. That was other anon.

>> No.45812584

>>45812572
Eh, no biggie. I do apologize in case I hurt your feelings, though, it wasn't my intention. Sometimes I get carried away and hurt others with my daftness, I don't like that.

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>>45811840
"Death" would make sense all things considered.

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>> No.45813075

What are you trying to tell me, Len?

>> No.45813253

Len, answer!

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Stop this, Len can talk.

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