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touko sex

Foursome between Shiki, Miyako, Mio and Akiha

Sex with Kojika

Aoko sex

>just what's on your search history, lancer?
>d-don't worry about it

what are the TM implications of the tamamo rock breaking

>>45553608
Who the hell is this

tmg is the only good fate general on this shit website

>>45554962
Gay porn.

>>45555238
lancer is either straight or bi
it can't be *only* gay porn

>>45555259
It's only gay porn.

>>45554962
>Rin Rule 34

>>45555288
why

Redman janny job

>>45555298
Drunk and alone on a Friday night.

>>45555259
mythically/canonically bi

>>45555322
Faggot

>>45554962
that's not what that text says

Anyone have a link to the PC version of Mahoyo?
It's not on any of my usual sites yet

>>45555259
*cough* Ferdiad *cough*

>>45555333
Well, you know what they say, Love is Blue.
Nice quad trips.

red garden doko

>Lancer had his lance named as gay bulge millennia in advance
It all makes sense now, why the word gay was made to be associated with homos, it's not just a psy-op, it's a joke too.

I guess you can say it was... Fate!

>>45554993
the newest gay couple in TM

I'm currently eating takeout mapo tofu, AMA

>>45557382
How hot is it and what other dishes can it be compared to?
Or was rather, seeing how much time has passed?

>>45557762
I think mine was shitty, it wasn't spicy enough to knock me on my ass.
It tasted... pretty good. Like a somewhat sludgy spicy wonton.

>>45557452
You're not Akiha. Begone imposter

>>45557452
Akiha, fixed!

>>45558019
>implying remake Shiki is real Shiki

>>45558019

>>45558167
Are they going to be OK?

>>45558167
Why was there so much blood on the walls if the MEoDP doesn't result in blood splattering?

>>45558167
It's that room's time of the month, huh?

>>45558189
Yes of course.
Now go back to bed, Shiki-san.

>>45558215
I doubt he's that clinical when he has a schizo Roa episode.

>>45558215
Doesn't it splatter when he kills Arc?

>>45558215
>iMEoDP doesn't result in blood splattering
who told you this

>>45558167
When did we get a shot of this scene with lines??? Is this one of the unused files? Will we see this AGAIN?

>>45558167
No wonder hl2 smod was made by a Japanese modder.

“True magic is anything modern science can’t do, this is what separates it from magecraft”

This is so dumb lol
Science today can’t replicate the sort of shit maguses get up to
Is Nasu just an idiot?

>>45558347
I'm not sure who you're quoting but it's not nasu

>>45558347
>Science today can’t replicate the sort of shit maguses get up to
First off Nasuverse =/= IRL science. Second, the point is that anything magecraft can do is possible to recreate with science with enough time and investments. Think a magus throwing a fireball, that's something you can also do by carrying a flamethrower.

>>45558347
The point of True Magic is it's literally unexplainable, it's shit that by all logic is impossible. It's just taking the concept of "magic is analyzed to the point of being a science" and extrapolating it to the point of "actual magic is when shit legit makes no sense" like being able to create something out of nothing, bring back the dead, travel through time, etc.

>>45558347
Larry Kusche has posted.

>>45558461
How many things are described as magic or similar? MEoDP is essentially stated to be similar and it would actually make sense that that area of phenomenon would count since it's dealing with the total end(and beginning) of everything.

>>45558566
>How many things are described as magic or similar?
Just the 5 True Magic that are left afail

>>45558566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxowJHyr2_g

>>45558566
>How many things are described as magic or similar?
Vampires' Principles are definitely on that category as well.

>>45558347
>>45558566
Alright, let me explain how this works in the most geeky, stereotypical nerd of my generation way possible.
Magecraft is what a Wizard in D&D does
Magic is what Gandalf does

Like in Fate, when a Wizard casts fireball, he had to prepare the spell mentally, he has to fundamentally understand how the spell works, there is often a set ritual involved, everything has to go a specific way. In that aspect, Magecraft is no different from science, it follows the scientific method. Because when you don't, your writing comes across as inconsistent.

Magic, aka what Gandalf does in LotR, does not have to follow those rules. Magic isn't something you DO, it is something that HAPPENS because you willed it so. He has power over the world and thus the world is willed to change by his presence, granted the Gods give him the permission to do so (Gandalf is actually only allowed to use like 1% of his power, 2% as The White because the last time an angel fought the forces of evil at full power, it scourged an entire continent of life and thus is too dangerous for the mortal realm to be used, see the Silmarillion for more info on that). Magic is the realm of God, the power of the miraculous given form.

That is the difference between what Rin is doing when she shoots finger bullets, and what Aoko is doing when she uses the Fifth Magic. Also, a lot of this shit is just how magic works in 90s WoD, which is funny because Arc is a character in VtM.

>>45558776
Pic didn't post for some reason

>>45558656
Mixed-Blood powers are things that don't necessarily exist in reality as well.

>>45558347
That's not how science works, and as a matter of fact we already possess preemptive capacity for utterly wild OA/forerunner tier tech and at least approximate "ftl" engines, after minor iteration amounts.
You simply cannot see it because you look at some select pile of vague data you don't even bother studying it, and as such can't infer what one can do with it.
What Nasu means is that magecraft allows to directly realize phenomena by circumventing [engineering/aesthetic/construction] steps and realize them through energy to matter conversion.
True magic also can be done, but it is vastly beyond almost all.

>>45558839
We don't exactly have any non-humans to successfully breed with these days to test it out, the Neanderthals were our only real option and they're all gone.

>>45558839
Also phantasmal species/elementals like Beo-kun are Magic due to embodying the Third Magic.

>>45558788
wew

>>45558788
But it does make sense.
Nasu's setting also can be considered to be a world of darkness.

>>45558927
I didn't say that Magic doesn't make sense, I said it doesn't have to follow rules in the way Magecraft does. It is a force willing itself upon the world and the world has to deal with it. It's why Reality Marbles are the closest thing Magecraft has to Magic, because the World is still able to impose itself upon a RM.

>>45558939
I was talking about Arc pic in wod, in some not-a-crossover sense.
Magic always made sense to me easily.

>>45558788
>sunglasses
Stylish vamp!

>>45558788
I played Vampire: The Masquerade-Bloodlines recently and it was pretty good.

>>45558788
>just finished it this year
>I wonder what would Arc do in this world
>there is already an Arc in that universe

>>45559563
>>45559563
MAMMAKIHA

>>45553608
So I just got all the endings for his game and what the fuck was this? I wasn't expecting the true final ending to be the F/SR version of Sparks Liner High. What was the point of Ototachibana-hime at all? Why don't you get Gil as a Rogue Servant even if you 100% the game? Where's Aria's NP or even her implied ability to ride (You)? Did this game just come out undercooked or are they stalling for DLC?

>>45559637
Satsujinki dying was a lie, they're just isekaing from place to place to have fun.
Or maybe it's actually a turbo edgy Arc.

Vash and Shirou are annoying.

>>45559797
No.

>>45558788
>Ohhhh hahaha, man. And your crush is dating a goddamn true ancestor too? You really are fucked, Satsuki.

>>45558788
>>45559698
I haven't played that game, does she have any kind of rolein it, or just a one-time cameo appearance? She is not like a boss fight or the like?

What would be Nasu's style proper Malkavian experience like?

>>45559858
Hisui route.

>>45559858
how shiki is in hisui route when he is stuck in bed but all the time.

>>45559850
i think she just has a side quest you can do or something

>>45559879
>>45559881
Yeah, it's this. Funnily, the way Akiha's Vermillion powers work isn't that far off from how the Tremere work.

>>45558456
>the point is that anything magecraft can do is possible to recreate with science with enough time and investments
Okay-
>Think a magus throwing a fireball, that's something you can also do by carrying a flamethrower.
LOL

Sorry sweetums. Science doesn’t give you the ability to eject explosive spheres of kinetic fire that home in on targets fro your hands. Oh, and they take the form of Celtic runes too—yeah. Never mind living crystal birds that fire lasers or skeletons made of solid/animated liquid.

Science can’t do any of that.

You are so retarded.

>>45558461
There are things in physics that are literally unexplainable and it doesn’t make physicists go “OMG WIZARDS!!!!!11”.

>>45558499
I don’t know who that is.

>>45558776
>again with the fireball
Nope. Not reading. You are also retarded.

>>45560008
But does she have the Tremere's drip?

>>45560211
based cat strikes again

>>45560211
>There are things in physics that are literally unexplainable and it doesn’t make physicists go “OMG WIZARDS!!!!!11”.
such phenomenon is indistinguishable from magic

>>45560211
Wizards also don't do "omg", mister. All those people actually think and imagine, and that is what science is about first and foremost, not some square peg round hole idiocy.

>>45560211
>There are things in physics that are literally unexplainable
And there are actually none, some knowledge is simply not for you, whether because it's not the time, it's too dangerous, it's too complex, or you're simply not worth it.

>>45560225
Sure but modern man is filled with Atlantean hubris and absolutely refuses to see the magic all around them. And that’s a different sort of discussion/disgusting.

>>45560232
Planetary perception paradigm shift will risk abysmally catastrophic consequences, as such their hubris has more merit than your ignorant prodding. Some things are best left alone.

Cellphones are true magic to a caveman, to be sure

>>45560247
Certainly. But if you can explain dark matter without sounding like an absolute schizo then you would go down in history as one of the greatest geniuses of all time.

>>45560260
*alien UFO lands*
*alien steps out*
*casually explains everything about dark matter, which everyone knows on his planet*
*leaves*

>>45560260
Dark matter isn't actually real, it's just a side effect of quantum theories being incomplete and the math behind them being scetchy.
t. Einstein

Smug cat being all smart and looking like a cunt.

>>45560286
Einstein was wrong about nearly everything quantum-related. Bell's theorem proved the hidden variables hypothesis wrong like half a century ago. Keep up.

>>45560292
Einstein seethed at quantum mechanics, sure, but the sad part is people today ACTUALLY believe when a tree falls, it doesn’t make a sound if nobody is around to hear it.

“I like to think the moon is still there when I turn around.”

But, no, ever since the whole ‘is reality local?’ autism people think nothing is real.

>>45560211
>>45558347
Thank you for showing you're a retard who doesn't understand the setting and misses the entire point in that magecraft is written the way magic usually is in fiction, as though it were a science. You do X, Y happens. Fantastic intangibles we cannot even dream of encountering irl, yet they act in a completely consistent way, as if governed by imaginary rules of physics. Or at least, they do if the writer knows what they're doing. Because do you know what happens when you DON'T do that? People will say the rules of your setting as no internal consistency and thus things just happens because author fiat. Just because the audience accepts that magic exists in the setting, does not mean they accept blatant breaking of your own rules as you set them. We have a word for writers who do that, we call them hacks.

Magic is different, magic is EXPLICITLY in-universe author fiat. It is the power to override the rules of the setting.

>>45560292
>Bell's theorem proved the hidden variables hypothesis wrong
Only local ones. Also Bell himself conceded that he has no arguments against superdeterminism. Every non-trivial quantumkek cosmological prediction that was tested so far has missed the mark by several orders of magnitude, meanwhile SR and GR have been proven again and again. Enjoy waiting for your quantum gravity, it's gonna show up together with UFE and the ghost of Lorentz proving aether is real.

>>45560311
Blah blah blah you’re also retarded

Yes, I love Akiha and Saber.
I wish to make love to their small chests and suck with the tenderness that make a married woman jealous.

>>45560311
>Fantastic intangibles we cannot even dream of encountering irl
Lovecraft dreamed of things exceedingly worse than that, and that's a bit of an astronomic understatement.

quantum shit move faster than light lul cope more

>>45560319
Then explain to me the difference between magic and magecraft in the setting.

>>45560313
>superdeterminism
This is basically equivalent to asserting god. It's impossible to prove and not worth taking seriously when talking about physics. If it actually is true, then we'll never know it.

>>45560332
>he says one has more letters in it

>>45560332
Illogical semantic differentiating bullshit that amounts to absolutely nothing using real world logic.

There. Done. Drop to your knees. Suck my dick.

>>45560338
>It's impossible to prove and not worth taking seriously when talking about physics
>not worth taking seriously
Interesting.

>>45560346
>there are too many reasoning ways to list
>refers to "real world logic"
You likely don't know how your world even works, logician extraordinaire.

>>45560332
Nta but
Magecraft
>magic that normalfags don't understand how it works
Magic
>magic that even magic users don't understand how it works
That's it, that's literally it, there used to be more Magic back in the day than there is now because magi fucking figured out how to do it. Magic is Mysterious with a capital M because magi can't explain it yet.

Would a stand be considered as magecraft or magic?

>>45560346
>unironically posting like an Internet Tough Guy who just looked totally cool for "winning" an argument

>>45560358
Magecraft's mystery is simply a finite, allocated engineering resource made with providence's approval, nothing more.

>>45560368
Stands are explicitly the Third Magic because the physical manifestation of the soul is what a Stand is

>>45560376
>providence
There is no god in the Nasuverse. I mean, there were, but they all died.

>>45560385
Other deities are in the Reverse side of the World.
Christian deity is either outside reality and/or Human Order.
It's also possibly ol' Yog, or It is related to it.

>>45560368
Stands don't abide by mana conversation rules and there's plenty of Stands that have True Magic-tier effects on their own (e.g. BTD is Fifth Magic, Silver Chariot Requiem is Third, D4C is Second).

>>45560396
That's a very western pov to think the Christian god is even anywhere near the top. After all, Nasu is not a Christian and he did not come from a society influenced by it, he grew up in a society where the dieties of the past are just as fallible as man and that influences his work.

>>45560429
Christian church would never be as powerful otherwise without some power backing it up, whether divine or infernal, and there are reasons why entities don't show up.

Magecraft makes no sense when anything they is systematically taken for granted (overexposed) is no longer magic.

The elves in J. R. R. Tolkien’s middle-earth don’t even believe in magic, which appears to shock everyone I tell.

“When everyone’s super, no one will be” — Pixar

The word ‘magecraft’ is itself retarded, since it so closely aligns with spellcraft, witchcraft, etc. Magic.

>>45560429
YHWH and Jesus are above showing up in Servant form in any way, Amaterasu and Buddha Gautama are not. It's pretty clearly what the pecking order is. Also only one religion maintains an influentual and powerful Nasuverse organization into the modern day,

anything that is*

Arcueid solos Jesus

>>45560443
Gods period aren't supposed to be able to show up as servants, from any religion. The only way they get in through cheating.

>>45560439
>The elves in J. R. R. Tolkien’s middle-earth don’t even believe in magic
Because magic isn't REALLY a thing in the setting. What Gandalf and the other Maiar do, it looks like magic, but that's for people who don't understand what they're doing. What they're actually doing is imposing their will upon the world and demanding it change in some way.

>>45560443
Tamamo just likes having fun, Buddha doesn't respond unless necessary, and technically any deity can be summoned as a servant if they bother with actually allocating energy to fill a form.
It's just a container, after all.
Morally virtuous entities like Jesus won't callously show up to play in magi games or disrupt reality's history.

>>45560448
The point is you couldn't get capital G God through even with cheating, meanwhile Origin Tamamo and Savior are very much real. Also Sephar kicked the shit out of literally every pagan god so they weren't that tough.

>>45560469
It's only natural that a space alien pertaining to civilization culling would operate on scales exceeding those civilizations.

god doesn't exist

>>45560480
Not exceeding fucking Excalibur, apparently

>>45560460
>Because magic isn't REALLY a thing in the setting
That’s because magic IS “magic”. Technically, magic can’t exist in fiction period from the sufficient scientific angle. In or out of setting. It always breaks down, even if just hypothetically.

Tolkien understood Clarkean logic, which the vast majority of writers today fail to radically realize. The eleven don’t believe in *elven* magic the same way modern man doesn’t believe in it. The maiar (wizards) are still nonetheless magical to both men and elves—the bar for magic is simply higher for the elves than it is for men. It’s why the black machines of Mordor are likened to sorcery, witchcraft, etc.

I just find the whole concept (and community) of magecraft disingenuous.

>eleven
elven*

I should get off my phone and stop shitting up the thread. Goodnight.

>>45560492
Excalibur came from the World itself in a sense and it operates on Hope, and hope is extremely strong.
It's likely that Excalibur itself is an utterly watered down version, otherwise you'd run into same issue as with spiral power in ttlg.

Know whats magic?
A nice toasty waffle.

>>45560501
Anon, there's only 2 kinds of magic in literally any work of fiction ever
There's magic as a wonderful force, in other words when people have the ability to make the miraculous realty.
And then there's Narrative Magic, which is the author's ability to say, "It's magic, I aint gotta explain shit"

>>45560527
If you made that waffle yourself and it's wasn't frozen crap, then yes agreed.

>>45558788
I need a cool scene where Arc is super cool like an amazing white female fatale. Just one is enough. That's all I'm asking.

>>45560534
That’s all magic.

“Those shiny dots in the sky? They’re gods. Ain’t gotta explain shit” — Some Caveman

Humans make the narrative themselves.

>>45560545
There are only free shrugs, sorry. Be glad that Nasu even bothered remaking Tsuki at all.

>>45560548
No anon, I'm saying the latter is just the author writing their way out of a problem and then covering up the plothole by telling us not to pay attention to it. That's what narrative magic is, just saying "a wizard did it" and telling you to shut up, it's just another word for "lazy writing".

>>45560545
It will appear in FGO instead

>>45560545
Arc is too dumb to be a female fatale.

>>45560565
That's why I asked for only one (ichi) scene.

>>45560565
That didn't stop Seras

>>45560545
satsuki route...

>>45560569
I mean when she's going nuts in Ciel's route in the remake and drops all sorts of innuendos, that was reasonably close in my opinion.

>>45560569
Arc in glasses with a chain and full skirt would've been a killer combo.
That fucking Nasu!

>>45560545
Red Arc.

>>45560581
>have sex with me Shiki
>have sex incel
Intriguing.

>>45560545
>>45560569
Dare I say it, this anon asks for a bad Arc?

>>45560501
>That’s because magic IS “magic”. Technically, magic can’t exist in fiction period from the sufficient scientific angle. In or out of setting. It always breaks down, even if just hypothetically.
That's just your overly science-focused brain talking. You need to have some faith which is a concept that by definition, is something you believe in without understanding or explanation.

Tolkien ultimately was a devout Catholic who believed all of existence is magic, because there is no explanation and never will be an explanation in science for one simple question, "why is there anything instead of nothing?" So what if there's an effectively infinite number of universes that makes life a statistical inevitability, why do strings (metaphorical, not literal) exist, and vibrate the way they do? Why does ANYTHING exist? There is space for the religious unknowable no matter how much we learn about the universe.

>>45560593
Cool arc does not necessarily mean bad arc

>>45560598
Arc as in a storyline arc, you silly goose.

>>45559698
Nah, Princess is mostly kinda flippant.

>>45560583
>>45560581
Absolutely. When she's lead by her emotions for Shiki, shit can go wild.

>>45560615
Only because Shiki can make her melt like butter

Nasu probably didn't even approve that cameo.

>>45560617
It's more a cute little reference than anything, it's why it never says her name. That being said, Nasu seems like the kind of person who plays the VtM tabletop so I don't think he'd mind.

>>45560615
>>45560616
Shiki is a wolf who loves big cats. That's some fanart ideas.

>>45560617
Would he even care that much? Without Mage his setting probably wouldn't exist.

>>45560623
I think he literally ripped ideas. WoD is great.

>>45560624
Nanaya anti-inhuman instincts making him kill himself type of ideas?

>>45560625
She probably squealed in delight.

>>45560624
Arc just becoming a cute normal girl around Shiki and shedding her moon princess personality is however 100% canon.

>>45560625
>>45560629
Yeah there's way too many similarities between Tsukihime and old WoD for it to be just a coincidence.

>>45560631
More like a Wolf Shiki cosplaying as a sheep and a Giant Cat Arc.

>>45561471
Why did they sexualize Shirou?

>>45561465
Any excuse to bust out an oldie.

What's his problem?

>>45561471
>artist is a shirou fag
>self insert hard
>pretend he is drawing "commission" with tsuki heroines
>trace

>>45561471
>>45561888
>>45562412
I don't understand what is going on here.
This just looks like Aoko.
Is this R63 Shirou?
Is this Aoko in Shirou's HF outfit?
Is this Aoko traced over a drawing of normal Shirou?
???

>>45562483
it's probably aoko. it's just that the "artist" is a massive shiroufag, and insert shirou everywhere. it's hilarious that he claim they are commission though. as for tracing, he got exposed a few weeks ago for tracing some other fan arts.

>>45562483
It's Aoko with Not!Shirou outfit from FGO.

>>45560596
Sigh. I don't care how hocus pocus or wibbly-wobbly-woo something is, there's still an objective background to it. There is always a background to the foreground. It's like assuming there won't be particles to a magic missile. Of course there will be. Even something that isn't *there* can be assumed to be something higher dimensional ("behind the curtain"). But something is STILL there. Always.

The inability to properly scrutinize something is precisely what makes something, well, magic. Magical. It's a vital gap. At its most ancient, you had primeval man looking to the stars and thinking them gods. Even the most brilliant sagely/wizardly persons of the past were lacing their limited understanding (for the time) with the imagination. Art. The modern sorcerer is just the mad scientist.

Point is, Tolkien understood that magic isn't anything concrete. It can't be. It's a way of looking at something. Wonder. Awe. Fear. Mystery. Bewilderment. Etc. Exposure logic. That metaphorical entrance to Wonderland. Even math was treated as magic, all the way back to Pythagoras and his cults, and all the way back up to Isaac Newton and his obsession with sacred geometry. Drugs were synonymous with sorcery far back enough. The artifice of figures like Archimedes or Roger Bacon were likened to the stuff of wizardry.

(And yes, Tolkien hated modern man's hatred/war against wonder and mystery, or the beauty of nature, which is why he found industry disgusting; this is also why he has Saruman, an evil wizard, heading brutal infrastructure. Mordor is no different.)

Magic and science are two sides of the same coin. There is information you have, and information you don't have, and the various nuances of muddying exposures in-between. Anything you don't know is automatically everything else out there. What does the physicist say when they confront something new and/or bewildering? "Hmm... That's weird... I wonder how that works...". No different from a magician. In that sense, existence is a magician. Magic IS a magician. Magic cannot be used as a serious definition for anything. Anyone can use the word. "I don't like it, it scares me, therefore magic". It is closer to a proxy/placeholder. A veil. The occult, the arcane, the esoteric, mysticism, etc, all meet the same root meaning.

In a scientific world where everything is deconstructed/reconstructed, you eventually realize that magic IS "magic".

>>45562988
Sir, SIR, this is a general for cartoons. No brain power here, please and thank-you.

>tolkiens elves dont believe in magic
>literal magic tree people
ok so hes just a big stupid

I love Touko.

>>45560545
Arc asserting dominance over imotou

>>45563149
Nasu wishes he were as smart as Tolkien lul

Modern fantasy has become gentrified

>>45563726
I still think this is genuinely the best scene in all Tsuki, both OG and Remake.

>>45563834
Shows how peculiarly "in touch" and clever Arc can be now regarding human emotions. This was totally on purpose.

Had Nasu written LotR he would make the five wizards the five lolis.

Don’t respond to this post, because deep down you know I’m 100% correct.

>>45564300
But none of the 5 Magicians are lolis?

Arcueid my beloved

>>45553608
I have some money to spare on Steam and might buy Extella, does the game plays well on mouse+keyboard?

>>45562988
Magic is nebulous only to morons, and is not serious for the same morons.
One could call you too clever by half, and simultaneously not smart at all, a lot of impractical semantics.
Occult is occult because the knowledge is likely not for you.
>industry disgusting
That only means that Tolkien wasn't all that smart, ultimately, neither in preserving mystery, nor in making nobler future, which is amusing considering that, IIRC, his story pantheon is a bit hedonistic.
Which I suppose would be even more amusing if that one Anon's post I've read years ago, proclaiming that Tolkien was afraid of his own servants at some point, was true.
Useless.

>>45562988
Also, inability to retain a sense of wonder after gaining knowledge is a sign of wiselessness, which is in a sense about as cheap as story consumers who chase next high until they move on to greener pastures, which is altogether pathetic.

>>45564738
>hating industrial abuse and all that it destroys means you’re stupid
Gas yourself

>>45564754
And at times OGLEH.

>>45564754
Too bad. The average zoomer is an idiot and will laugh at you, if you point out how wonderful the internet is. “No bro, magic is like Doctor Strange bro”.

So I agree. This world is high on Atlantean levels of hubris. Magic is everywhere, and yet nowhere. Humans are deeply unsatisfied creatures. They expect more. They continue to expect more. The future is more magical than the past, and yet everything is taken for granted.

>>45564756
1)This reality was made out of violence, destruction and mutual abuse/love.
2)This reality eventually WILL die, likely WILL be reborn, etc.
3)If you care about something you either do something about it or not. Complaining about it is impotent.
4)Industry is not inherently evil, and is self-solvable were there to be some smart agents who would actually do something about it, life occasionally commits its own atrocities on daily basis, atrocities of humans are under its purview just like all other lifeforms.
Tolkien was smart, yet he was not, and his greatest accomplishment seems to be, thus far, not counting certain matters you're not pertinent to, a lot of elf porn some derivative line down.
Attractive content, but still quite dead, ultimately inconsequential bar specifics.

>>45564754
>inability to retain a sense of wonder after gaining knowledge is a sign of wiselessness
This perfectly describes the average “scientist” today, though. Safe, boring science is a plague. People like Neil deGrasse Tyson peddle it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SAoWFxzaPeE

People conveniently ignore that all the most sagely/wizardly geniuses in history were batshit insane people thinking batshit insane thoughts. The most brilliant chemist and physician for his time, Paracelsus, thought masturbating into a chicken egg would produce a slave creation or familiar—the Homunculus.

Again, the modern wizard is just the mad scientist, hanging off the edges of present understanding.

>>45564782
Industry is not inherently evil, but the way it is currently being employed is inherently hideous. Ugly. It doesn’t look nice.

This is why he made the elves a race of artists. They do everything man can do, except better and much more beautifully.

Humans choose to build and live in hideous homes. Western minimalist architectures and all that.

This conversation is going off-rails

>>45564804
This is what you get for daring to disrespect Tolkien.

>>45564806
Bro, I'm just lurking and asking about >>45564736

Nasu is modern Tolkien.

This conversation is so bizarre in the first place considering how horribly scientific discovery has stagnated these past few decades. I could understand being arrogant in like 1960 when it seemed like people were going to solve everything eventually, but how could you possibly have that attitude today.

>>45564798
Only where it is, and only to explicitly your particular "this type of destruction is not beautiful" sensibility, which admittedly has some merit, but much less than other sensibilities due to simple geometries involved.
Primitive geometric architecture is not ugly, it is simply primitive and mostly practical, and serves its own aesthetic purposes at current age just fine.
Artistry can be as exceedingly evil as anything else.
For instance, conceiving those orcs and putting them to paper that anyone can read isn't particularly good, after all someone did conceive that ugliness, and that ugliness was not immediately excised, however valid some moral points and causality of history may be.
A suboptimal analysis, ultimately, and frankly so is mine.

>>45564880
Just say you want to roll around in tar and lick rusted pipes, anon

>>45564877
The advancement never stopped, things are put on abstract brakes or reached a infrastructure halt to most personnel due to vastly skyrocketing chances of total failure, humanity is playing skipping rope with ever increasing extinction risks, up to the point of attracting eldritch attention if it wasn't here all along, while elites try to enact their greater power-plays for planetary dominance.
60s wonder vibe never left anyone who never forgotten it, there at bare minimum 2-3 paradigm breaking technologies that can utterly uproot our entire world.

>>45564899
Those two are not without appeal, though not to me, and can be dealt with just as well, as you know.
Swords can rust, vines grow around, and mud exists, so that's hardly anything unusual.

>>45564905
Basically every measure you can come up with shows that scientific discovery is slowing down.

>>45564922
Nope. Hideous. Absolutely revolting. Our factories could look nicer, but they don’t. Our homes are blocky when they could be round and voluptuous. Mass produced homes were a mistake. Increasingly smaller distances between homes was a mistake.

>>45564946
As it should for a complex time being, unless necessary otherwise. Opposite that there will be unfavorable odds, ruin, and eventually nightmares.
It's not slowing down because there are no keen people left. Though if that happens too, and beyond more normal rates of killing innovators bold enough to stick out, that carries unpleasant implications.

>>45564905
>>45564946
The denser infrastructure becomes the higher chance of failure.

That failure will also take the form of some random asshole, because it only takes one fucker to ruin everything for everyone. Precedent is everything. Look at the history of hemp and marijuana. Like when a dumb ass kid gets hurt on the snow hill, and the adults decide to prevent anyone else from going down it.

It’s already a miracle humans can drive in droves on the road. Had cars been invented today, nobody would be allowed to drive the “death machines”.

White people.

>>45564990
God I hate white people. What good have they done for us, huh? Imagine how much better off the world would be, had they never colonized…

>>45564967
I'm not really sure what your point here is, but in case it's not clear, I'm just essentially saying that several major questions about the universe will likely never be solved given the complexity of the problem, the impossibility of testing many of them, etc. i.e. these things are indistinguishable from magic.

>>45565000
LOL

>>45564947
Boxes too can be pleasant and done prettily, as is literally any geometric shape.
>when they could be
And they should be so because? Were I not to laze around I'd probably could've made myself an self-constructing castle after some years of works, but that's bit too much effort, both in picking a place where I can procure resources, trying to conceal it because I sure don't have any money to own one, and all other matters — but I can see appeal in roundness just I can see it anywhere else, but it doesn't bother me.
You realize that if all houses were round there'd possibly be a similar response but in another direction, right?
Mass-production housing is less personal, that's hardly an unknown, I live in a commieblock myself and quite like it, plenty complain about them, especially when they bring up pre-USSR Russian village architecture which had those sexy wood cutting embellishments.
However, to make every house into art can be expensive, someone will have to solve it. I had my own ideas how to do so, which I won't share, and it's solvable both older way and high tech one — but it will take efforts all the same, so if you wish to have prettier housing everywhere, you'll have to shift entire social structure.
You could, in theory, make a business of making affordable pretty housing, that's a niche that's not taken, I think.

>>45564768
Your average person doesn't even realize that the conditions for nuclear fusion nexer existed on earth until humans made it happen. A process completely alien to earth for it's entire 4 billion year history and literally the power of the stars, but your average person just sees it as "big bomb".

>>45565034
Stop defending suburbia you fuckhead.

>>45565034
>make every house into art can be expensive
Cheap countries like Canada don’t care. All the new homes being built fall apart after a year. They could put more money-quality into it, but for the most part they’ve taken the money-quantity road.

>>45565001
Testing is a trap that limits scientific method, in a way it's a useless tautology, if you don't know what to test you won't be able to sift through all the variables effectively, while when you know with a reasonable certainty you're already past the limit, and it's extra important in the context of limited capabilities to test anything, sometimes it's simply not an option, while thought experiments have always existed.
There are ways to overcome that, both through occult, and through raw but sharply used calculation. None are reachable without some effort.
Those major questions are answerable, just not in any primitive paradigm, a foregone conclusion, whether or not we will live to understand.

>>45565038
>A process completely alien to earth for it's entire 4 billion year history
Skimming dangerous lines here, anon-kun.

>>45565080
You're right, I'm saying how amazing it is but then pretending that I know for a fact what happened over the past 4 billion years.

>>45565041
I don't need to, as I can look at things with a more pure outlook and assess them as themselves.
There are much uglier and horrifying things in reality than concrete block boxes. This is nothing.
And besides, some things need to be dirty just right to possess a certain edge to them.

>>45565088
I meant other things, but eh.

>>45565072
A pity. Canada seems like a nice place, at least geographically. Plus they had peak Bioware, once.

>>45565091
>There are much uglier and horrifying things in reality than concrete block boxes
What, like China? There’s still more soul in Chinese towns than Western minimalist garbage, despite Mao having obliterated his culture’s soul, even then, which is just a testament to how gross and boring western buildings are. The only gross parts about China are its cities which obsessively seek to emulate said Western garbage.

>>45565164
I meant other, not necessarily architecture related horrors.
A box's just a box, that's all, pure or not, proper minimalism can be quite tasteful, especially if it has properly spartan conditions, but I think we simply won't agree.
China... I won't speak about it, I don't know much about it, other than those strange roof buildings. Chinese probably do have more conservative tendencies in their rural areas, I think there was a town that's similar to Venice there, pretty place, though river's muddy.

>>45565074
>Testing is a trap that limits scientific method
I do get the nuance (tests of redundancy) of what you’re saying, but, the scientific method is so pure as to be repeatability itself—the act of testing something, anything at all, and the various nuances in-between assessment (not everything repeatable reproduces the same result, etc). The only thing purer is math.

“Remember kids, the only difference between fucking around and science is writing it down.”

Cavemen were going about the scientific method when they were first making stone wheels and fires, regardless of whether or not they acknowledged it.

I wonder what sort of invincibility Arc has when she is resurrecting/reconfiguring her vessel? I'm guessing it's some sort of multidimensional thing where she shuts off all external interference, but she is still aware of her target's movements since it's mentioned her Lifescale jumps instantly if she is attacked in that state, making her far more powerful than she would be had you left her to her devices.

>>45565230
It's purity is unquestionable, but it has its limits, plus there's a risk of misinterpreting long-term coincidences as facts.
At any rate, perhaps this talk has run for long enough. Not that I mind off-topic personally.
Nice talk, mister.

I don't like seeing Arc hurt.

>>45564738
>That only means that Tolkien wasn't all that smart, ultimately, neither in preserving mystery, nor in making nobler future, which is amusing considering that, IIRC, his story pantheon is a bit hedonistic.
It was more an emotional reaction to both seeing the english countryside torn apart to fuel the fires of the industrial revolution, then he fought in WW1 which was the first war where the killing power of technology truly outstripped man.

I don’t like seeing Archer hurt

>>45565256
I was always under the impression that what Arc did was like, reverse time on the damage done to her body. But the level of damage she received was so severe, she expended most of her power to do it.
Afaik Tsukihime's plot would've been resolved in 5 minutes if Shiki never killed her as peak Arc in any other point in history showed up, instakilled Roa because at full strength he's like an insect to her, then went back to sleep. Granted, things going the way they did meant a way to PERMENANTLY kill Roa was found, but still.

>>45565284
True. This is very sad. Innocent vampire.
>>45565365
Cringe. Archer loves being whipped by Rin.

>>45565365
Neither do I.

Reminder that Altrouge still has no canon design.

>>45565394
I prefer how people used to draw her, a loli with really long hair

>>45565385
No you secretly/subconsciously love it.

>>45565408
No!

Which animated TM fight has the best quality?

>>45565375
>what Arc did was like, reverse time on the damage done to her body
That's literally just the vanilla curse of restoration. Any and all DA have this. And you can't heal damaged body parts cut by the MEoDP that way as shown when Shiki cut Roa and Vlov.
No, Arc just remade her whole body from nothing with a new concept.

My question is what is this sort of 'defense' she has while she is in the process of resurrecting. Ciel states Arc becomes much more powerful if you strike her down while she is in the process of healing herself/powering up.

>>45565394
I hate Nasu for this. Just give us a design already! I'm hopeful we'll get to see her first appearance once we get a more detailed look of the France flashback.

I just want Archer to be happy

>>45554993
Iori and Takeru, the main master and servant of Fate/Samurai Remnant. Actual real Kojiro shows up in a flashback.

>>45565099
nta
huh?
do you mean microscopic instances of nuclear fusion that were not significant enough to be seen?
cosmic rays and all that, yeah of course

>>45565256
>>45565375
>>45565453
Maybe it's because she's in the process of reforming herself and so if she's killed/takes an attack then her connection will just pump more energy into her and keep her alive while making her stronger since we're talking infinite power from the planet and you'd basically be wasting your chance by blowing your load all over someone whose basically got invulnerability(thanks to the planet pumping her up) and will then become stronger. Thus Ciel waits until the instant she shuts off the gathering and before she thinks to attack. Maybe?

>>45566090
Basically you gotta land a meaty on her wakeup.

>>45565924
Just make him watch the Fate route

Is Nasu bothered by Arc or something?

>>45565394
Reminder that it will just be a Saberface

>>45566552
She will be an Arcface. There are no Saberface in Tsuki.

L-lewd!

>>45566791

I like HF and all, but I hate that he decide to use Sakura for the purpose of “Shirou becoming human” of all thing which ends up with a lot of people dying.

>>45565426
Shiki vs Nrvnqsr

>>45566804
based thot patroller

>>45568004
>>45568014
Both are equally scary.

>>45568043
Akiha is a sweet woman.

I want snussy I want snussy I want snussy

I really want to bury my face in Medusa's chest and nuzzle close to her

Archer

So, I'm finishing the old Tsukihime vn and starting with the remake, but should I, before I play the remake, also play the old Tsukihime fandisk/plus-disk, the old Melty Blood and other old Tsukihime media?
Does it make a difference if I play them also before the remake?

Shirou.

>>45570583
Ideally you should probably play Kagetsu Tohya first. The rest is mostly optional.

>>45570583
Playing the og melty blood is a good idea too. Altough don't be disheartened if can't get past G-Akiha.

>>45571086
Name their band

So, if I understand correctly, you're supposed to replay CCC to get the "True Route".
Are the normal route and the true route completely different or do they just have a different ending?

>>45569818
Sword pussy?

>>45553608
so is that a trap or something else

>>45572703
it's a they/them

>>45571344
The Bloody Six (not to be mistaken with another band named The Dark Six)

Can Arc exert directly influence on other spirits like Divine Spirits and fairies with Marble Phantasm? Since they are part of the natural world.

>>45573123
I guess so. Unless they became independent themselves.

>>45572846
male or female

>>45572239
snek

Where can I find the short DDD story Sora no Soto?

>>45573900
In a book called 316 Jiken.

>>45574144
Thank you

>>45558776
what percent does a balrog use?

i bet akiha's outfits all do that crisp clean sound when moving like all those fancy outfits make

>>45573362
yes

>>45575446
everyone alive is one of two. i poked around on the wiki though and apparently he's male

Is Canaan part of the TM world? As in does the Mage Asssociation, Church, exist there?

take your meds

>>45553608
In regards to the Fate Ultimate Edition posted in the OP does this include the new translations by Fbates? I read a bit of the Fate route years ago with the mirror moon translation and while I enjoyed the story the translation was a bit off it felt very blocky and stilted

>>45578540
I don't trust those meds

*laugh track*

>>45581558
Hakuno isn't like those "other" girls, promise

>>45571397
The True Route isn't locked behind NG+, it's just a bit harder to reach.

>>45581829
Yeah, on NG+ it lowers the requirements for the CCC route, right?

>>45581829
>>45581835
>>45571397
CCC has 3 endings
>Normal Route
Just beat the game
>Servant Route
Beat the game, but obtain all of the SGs of your servant
>CCC
A convoluted series of steps that lets you find out the truth behind the game's events

>>45581849
I see.
And the only thing that changes is the ending? You don't get different enemies like in the OG Extra?

>>45581867
No a ton of little things exclusive to the route happen along the way. Just follow the pastebin if you want to get it
https://pastebin.com/rYYYffYB

She's just like me...

So why is Karna the way he is? Because I can tell he cares about Jinako, but so incredibly blunt with her about all her flaws.

>>45581946
he's thinking about that faggot Arjuna and how much he hates the moon

>>45581873
Thanks.
I think I'm going to restart the game following the guide. Extra's gameplay is not fun enough to replay so I might as well get the true end right away.

>>45581946
It's from his backstory in Hindu myth, basically he was born the child of the sun god which sounds awesome...except his karma said he was born into the peasant caste so he was ostracized his entire childhood. As a result he grew up without any real knowledge of social graces and when NOT to say something, so he's honest to the point of coming across like an asshole.

>>45581984
Sounds like autism to me.

>>45582199
autism is the best superpower

>>45582199
Autism is biological in nature and mostly genetic in origin. This is just being a social retard because Karna is an almost impossibly nice guy in any other regard, he just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. This is the guy who went to war with the five Pendava brothers because they insulted his foster father, because he wanted to be seen as a good son (nevermind that the guy only adopted him for the status of having a child of a god in his family)

do you think archer places his hand on rin's head when she goes down on him, or is he in a perpetual "w-what are you doing??" position?

>>45582263
The former, we know that's the case from what Shirou does when anyone else blows him

Oh god it's too real

>>45582263
Accursed question. I hate you.

>>45582263
Have you ever considered that you are an ugly whore who will never be as beautiful as Rin? Have you considered that might be why you are so obsessed with Shitcher while Rin doesn't give a fuck about him?

>>45582992
Take it easy KEKrou, we'll let you watch if you ask nicely.

aoko sex

>>45553608
How's the translation for CCC?

>>45583180
good

>>45583180
Suprisingly good, the only parts that feel overly localized are when Jinako talks and honestly, I'm not sure how else you make that shit work. It's the Neptunia problem, when you character talks like an internet memelord in Japanese, but said memes and slang only really exist in Japan, you basically have to either do pic related, or have pages of TL to explain what the fuck the characters are talking about.

>Nasu said when Extra was out that fighting Arc isn't canon, she was just in the game as a cute easter egg to longtime T-M fans
>CCC comes out, Gatou having Arc as his servant is explicitly canon and part of the reason he's so useless when normally it'd make our situation much easier to accomplish
What did Nasu mean by this

>>45583522
Because Arc is Gatou's servant.

>>45583522
He's an ArcCHAD, nothing can change that

>>45583522
You are supposed to laugh and be nostalgic and ignore it. Just like events and brain-off fanservice.

>>45583625
>>45583528
>>45583522
>>45583640
Canon means nothing to a simp. True gamer moment.

>>45553608
Alright I want to get into Type-Moon, how's the translation of the original Tsukihime and the new remake? Also what's the better translation for Fate/Stay Night? The mirror moon one or the Fbates one?

Man I'm 5'10'' and I barely weigh more than that. That seems kinda heavy for average female height.

>>45583744
That being said
>that height/weight
Goddamn girl, you are WAY thiccer than the art lets on

>>45583625
Holy based

>>45583766
>5 ft nothing
>82 lbs
smilingimageofpiercebrosnan.png

>>45583795
>82 lbs
180, I meant

>>45583006
>Take it easy KEKrou
is something Rin will never say to Shitcher whilst fucking

>that ruby text
What did Nasu mean by THIS?

can kekgo do anything right

>>45584018
See >>45583795

>>45582827
>>45582992
Guys calm down, Rin isn't cheating on Shirou when she's TECHNICALLY still having sex with him.

Why is it always about cheating with you literal zasshus?

>>45585285
Gil just because you come from a time and place where you can't cheat because you have imperial right to fuck anyone you want, doesn't mean that applies to everyone.

>>45583712
>Alright I want to get into Type-Moon, how's the translation of the original Tsukihime
It's fine. There's no alternative so it's not like it matters.
>and the new remake?
Actually very good, they did a commendable job.
>Also what's the better translation for Fate/Stay Night? The mirror moon one or the Fbates one?
I'm going to be honest, I know nothing about the Fbates one but mirror moon is THE FSN translation. Especially if they're an oldfag that's the one people are going to know and reference, and while there are absolutely errors in it's still "iconic" I guess. But I would get an opinion from someone who knows about the retranslation as well.

>>45583712
>>45585383
I've been using what the game calls the retranslation, so I assume it's the Fbates one. It has numerous errors, but I can't speak for its accuracy as I haven't used the mirror moon translation yet, but i'll be switching to that for the remainder of my reading. I thought Mirror Moon's translation of Tsuki was excellent, so it should be an improvement. Anyway, I can't vouch for the new translation.

>>45585383
>>45585535
Reading the beginning of Fate/SN it looks like both Mirror Moon and Fbates have errors which is really annoying hahaha

>>45583766
>shota Servant
What is her reaction to Hans?

Jinako in fgo, opinions?

>>45585302
even the gaybois wanted his golden package in their front and back...

last for archer

Last for ORT

>>45585383
This pic is just so cute.

>>45588622
>Ultimate One got suicided by Nasu's variant of X-Com Apocalypse's Micronoids
X-Com always was right.
Also sexo.

>>45589316
>X-Com is cheap as fuck on steam right now
Maybe I'll play it after I'm done with CCC

>>45586796
She thinks he would be a cute little kid
He is not.

>>45586845
My standards aren't just falling, they're clearly plummetting.