/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Boring.

>>>/v/

piece of shit
also /v/

>>4553307

It's good. It's different from the previous FFs but I do like the design of the city,knights and what not

Not only is it the worst main-series Final Fantasy game that's been made, it's one of the worst games that's ever been made, period.

/jp/ can't contain games this shitty, think you should go to >>>/v/ if you want to discuss it.

i thought it was at least better then most ff

I didn't know we could talk about video games here.

>>4553339
Please die.
You too, OP. Please die.
I hate this shit, and I hate myself for spending my money buying it.

>>4553344
We can only talk about a certain galge series that was released on the PS2/PS3

Anything else goes in >>>/v/

Especially shitty games like FF12

One of the worse entries in the FF series. Either way, it belongs in /v/.

>>4553340

Jesus christ do people forget FFX-2 so fast?

FFXII had some great characters and ok story, battle system was a turd though and so was the end. I stopped caring after cid died.

FF12 is too surface for /jp/

It was a piece of shit, and anyone who liked it is a piece of shit.

Oh main series, FFX is still worst.

I liked it personally. Gameplay was addictive.

Woah, I didn't know it was this bad. Okay, I will stay away from it and just skip to FF13.

I liked that the game played itself for you.

Restored my faith in the Final Fantasy series; Yasumi Matsuno is one of the greatest game designers ever.

>>4553364
Everything about FF12 was fucking terrible.

At least FFX-2 had an awesome battle system, even if the rest of it was shitty. Gives it a huge one-up over FF12.

Plus FFX-2 isn't really part of the main series anyway, it's a sidestory that reads like a bad fanfiction.

The only game where I've managed to fall asleep while playing.

Is this the game where /g/'s desktop face came from?

>>4553376
It's worse. All FF games are bad if you ask people here.

>>4553391
I thought FFXIII was better than XII.

It's a game that plays itself

>>4553387
Wow some shitty job system hybrid great shit there. Seriously your opinion sucks and I'm going to leave it at that.

It was like Final Fantasy XI meets Tactics Advance, without the novelty of online play.

Ergo mediocre, I never finished it.

>>4553376
>>4553371
>>4553387
>>4553349
>>4553340

HOLY SHIT, YOU GUYS ARE SO TSUNDER- HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnnnnnggggg

>>4553332

>>4553396
Do you live in Japan?

Because if not, and you've played through FFXIII already, you're likely a massive fanboy/girl whose opinion is worthless.

So is this new girl anything like Terra?

>>4553408
What does living in Japan have to do with anything? A game is a game.

>>4553400
You think the Gambit system is better, so your opinion is bad and you should feel bad, and probably be sterilised to preserve the gene pool.

>>4553408
The 360 version leaked earlier in the week

geez if you want too be a pussy listen too these guys opinions don't play it, or maybe you should go play the game and find out yourself , its like 5 freaking dollars

>>4553415
It means you couldn't wait 2 months for the English version of a game that got extremely mediocre reviews.

One of the better FF, though it is flawed (I could do without randomized chests for example).

It's certainly a lot better than 8 or 10, and based on what we know, 13.

>>4553416
I think they're both terrible and I have no trouble calling FFXII a bad game.

You on the other hand found something redeemable in FFX fucking 2. I don't know what to think of that opinion it's probably too terrible even for /v/.

>>4553401
>>It was like Vagrant Story meets FF Tactics

Fixed, FF12 was awesome. On some days I might say it's the best one in the series since FF6.

>>4553426
Why wait for the English version if you can understand Japanese?

>>4553426
Why would I want to wait for the English version? It's not like I can't understand the Japanese version.

>>4553437
Because it's paying more to avoid two fucking months waiting, for a game that nearly everyone has said is mediocre. Nobody except those with a fanboy mentality would do it.

>>4553436
You didn't fix anything, faggot. FFXII was shit, and so are you.

>>4553432
FFX-2 had a great battle system, you're retarded, good day to you sir.

op this is /jp/, you wont get good reviews here, go too /v/

>>4553442
This is some awful, awful logic you're throwing at us.

>>4553432
>>4553408
>>4553416

Your opinion about my opinion being bad is worthless :3

>>4553442
It doesn't cost me more though.

I liked 10(2) and 8.

my final fantasy opinion is void.

>>4553444

Your opinion is shit and you should feel bad.

You guys shouldn't expect /jp/ to be able to handle a REAL leading man.

>>4553444
Quiet, you.

If there is something we can take on this thread it's that the internet can never agree on which FF games were good.

>>4553456
It totally does.

Even without that, you've still got no reason to import a mediocre game that's getting an English release.

>>4553444
Go back to bed, Sion.

i hate people who ask if a game is good or not , play it yourself and if you don't like it , then whatever

>>4553465
/jp/ also happens to be an accurate depiction of the internet

>>4553465
>never agree
FFT is good. Not that Advance shit.

>>4553467
What reason is there to wait if you can understand it? I really don't get why you're arguing about this.

>>4553477


FUCK THAT WERE GOING HOME

>>4553465
As long as idiots who think 9, 10-2 and 12 are good games are allowed to exist, and possibly breed, this will always be a problem.

>>4553467
>derpp herpp durpp

>>4553475
It really is. The internet is bipolar as all hell about FF games.

>>4553467
It didn't cost me more though, regardless of what you want to believe. And most reviews have been quite positive unless you are confused on what mediocre means.

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>>4553477
All three Tactics games are good. A2 is the most balanced and challenging of the three, but Advance's battles are much quicker, more suited to battles on the go. The original Tactics has the best story of any FF, but the actual gameplay is broken as fuck.

>>4553486
I hope people like you aren't allowed to breed.

>>4553492
All reviews by anyone not bribed to say good things have ranged from saying it's shitty to saying everything except the battle gameplay is shitty.

>>4553486
Tell me why FFX is better then FFXIII

>>4553463
This

>>4553494
I would disagree. Tactics is one of my favourite FFs but the Advanced games are terrible.

Isn't it amazing.
Despite the massive shitstorm, this is still better than the average /v/ thread.

>>4553509
What's bad about the gameplay of A2?

>>4553499
I'm on /jp/ at 5AM, so it's not going to happen.

>>4553486
>9, 10-2 and 12

Don't compare 9 with those two other shitty games.

FF9 was cute and fun, and had an interesting story, so fuck you.

>>4553503
>All reviews by anyone not bribed to say good things
>All reviews

Impressive trick you just did there. Where did you learn to pull stuff out your ass?

>>4553520
This is /jp/, /jp/ always talks out of its ass.

>>4553494
But FFT and FF12 were made by the same exact people. Both games share so much in common it hurts.

Heck, the main reason I liked FF12 was because I liked FFT so much.

>>4553517
its really really easy?

I'm not complaining Final fantasy Harem tactics was one of my favorite ff titles.

>>4553517
The gameplay isn't exactly bad, but the game itself is boring. There is no motivation to keep playing it as having decent gameplay isn't much of a reason to play a game when it has not much else, at least to me.

>>4553519
9 is what happens when you go to the other end of the spectrum from 12&13's "Let's try and appeal to everyone, and make a shitty game!" mantra.

It's entirely fanservice, very poorly done, and reeks of shit. Fucking trance system.

>>4553538
Then why play jrpg's at all when you can just watch the entire story on youtube?

>>4553532
This explains why the story of FFXII reads like a bad FFT fanfiction with ORIGINAL CHARACTERS DO NOT STEAL.

>>4553538
Did you do a lot of side missions? The main story is shit (well boring more than shit), but some of the side plots are actually pretty neat.
>>4553536
I found Hard Mode to be almost harrowing, though the battles take a little too long for my taste.

>>4553547
Well for one, there is a quality difference. And I'm not saying the gameplay isn't important, but if it's lacking in most other departments, then it just isn't interesting. I want decent gameplay and a good story.

>>4553553
Because they are both political dramas of the classical variety?

>>4553553
Kind of hard to say it's fanfiction when the same exact guy wrote the story for both FFT and FF12.

>>4553581
Didn't say it WAS a bad fanfiction, said it reads like one.

>>4553584
That's... mostly the same thing.

Ivalice Alliance (except for the first Tactics) games are shit.
Discuss.

And Penelo is a slut.

>>4553581
Neither of the writers for FFXII worked on Tactics.

>>4553591
No it isn't.

I still don't see what was so great about the story in the original tactics.

I think you're all nostalgia blind.

>>4553625
Not really. The first time I beat it, was the PSP version, so I wouldn't call it nostalgia in my case at least.

>>4553608
FF:TA wasn't that bad. Nowhere near as good as the original, but it was enjoyable enough.

>>4553614
Didn't Matsuno supervise the script and come up with the plot though?

Now I gotta check.

I liked the world in 12 and the battle system but I guess the story sucked :humph:

I still liked the game a lot though. More than 10 anyway.

>>4553608
Be less obvious.

>>4553638
Well it depends on who you're referring to as writers. I wouldn't call supervising as being the writer.

Only problem with FFXII is that it's about 50 hours too long.

Cut out the superfluous bullshit and it'd probably be a pretty good game.

It's also pretty sad when you can point out where in the game the original director left (about 8 hours in the story just flatlines)

Games like this prove that Famitsu gets paid off for some of their scores

I ADORED the setting of 12, and the story was a decent political drama. The battle system was horribly flawed, and it's sad because it's caused by about 3 or 4 flaws that could have been easily fixed.

>>4553654
Most of their scores.

The games with the most page space dedicated to advertising almost always get the highest scores.

come to /jp/, play VNs, complain about games that play themselves.

>>4553664
>implying 12 plays itself
Half of your time playing is spent micromanaging your team. Actually PLAY the game, don't just regurgitate /v/ bullshit.

>>4553664
Are you actually suggesting VNs are games, and we play VNs for the same reason we play games?

Pic so very related.

>>4553680
VNs ARE games.

>>4553307
This is the only FF game since FF III that I refuse to finish on grounds of supreme boredom. Goddamn this shit sucked.

>>4553676
No. Once you've got a decent gambit setup, all you need to do is occasionally move your character around, and level up. There's nothing else to do that even vaguely resembles gameplay.

>>4553685
>BAAAW I WASN'T JUST PLAYING THE SAME SHIT AGAIN, IT'S BAD

>>4553683
No they aren't. Games require gameplay.

>>4553690
SOMEONE didn't do any extra bosses. Fuck I spent half the 2nd Gilgamesh fight making sure my team didn't get fucked.

That said, this game does require way too much grind. Actually, it's not even like you need the levels, it's just that everything IS SUPER FUCKING EXPENSIVE.

>>4553695
The Ace Attorney series are visual novels, are THEY suddenly not games?

>>4553693
Same shit is good, they wouldn't have managed to get one of the most successful series in the world with by recycling the same shit if it didn't appeal to people.

Then they start slapping the main series' name on games that shouldn't be part of the main series, probably shouldn't be Final Fantasy games at all, because they know it will sell loads even if it's shitty just from the name.

Square rolls in money, casualfags love it, fans die a little inside..

>>4553693
I put up with it for hours my friend. HOURS. I can't help it if the story was so boring and irrelevant that I stopped caring about anybody or anything within the game and the gameplay felt like they were trying to make a 1 player MMO done horribly. FFVIII was different too and I loved it so your argument is invalid.

>>4553702
Why would we do extra bosses on a game we can't even be bothered finishing?

>>4553702
That fight wasn't hard for me but I remember it taking a while for some reason.

Aa I want to replay it but man the shit ending just sucks too much to bother.

>>4553708
They are on a console, so by /jp/'s twisted logic they're games.

If they were on the PC they would undoubtedly be classed as VNs

>>4553710
12 was a damn good game, but I do agree it shouldn't have been part of the main series (nor should 11 or 14),

As a matter of fact, I think the main series should die. Continue some of the side series, but don't just keep (as you say) slapping Final Fantasy onto different IPs just to up the ante. FF13's series could have just gone by the subtitle.

>>4553727
>>4553708
Something can be more than just one genre you know.

>>4553719
I liked the ending. Really the only problems I had were that Vayne COULD MAKE HIMSELF INVINCIBLE and that Balthier didn't jack the Bahamut for himself or something ridiculous like that.

Also, more mad scientist villains Square, Dr Cid was awesome.

>>4553731
like you can be a trap and a loli and a furry

>>4553731
Yes, like Ar Tonelico.

All of the Ace Attorney games except possibly Edgeworth don't have enough gameplay to be classed as anything except visual novels though, I stand by the point that if they were on the PC, they would be classed entirely as visual novels and not games.

>>4553735
>Dr Cid was awesome
True enough.

>>4553740
VNs are games.They are a genre of games, but games all the same.

I'm not reading this awful thread but for those who have played 13 are the 'towns' really pseudo-nonexistant because I love pointlessly large towns and exploring them and stuff so if that isn't a factor in 13 it sucks to me.

>>4553740
They may not have much gameplay, but I would say they are more point and click adventures.

Glad it's not just me.
If I go to /v/ you'll get a bunch of people that consider 9/X/X-2/XI/XII all great games.
Though I've never played XI, it's a squareenix MMO so I can kind of imagine.

XII, it bored the fuck out of me.
It's just boring.

I don't care if the original tactics and XII was made by the same people, they're not the same game.

I take care to say the original tactics game because I consider the tactics advance games as squeenix taking a piss on a series they could have made much better.

>>4553728
>>4553728
>>4553728
>>4553728
>>4553728
>As a matter of fact, I think the main series should die. Continue some of the side series, but don't just keep (as you say) slapping Final Fantasy onto different IPs just to up the ante. FF13's series could have just gone by the subtitle.
THS. FUCKING THIS.

I'm amazed they didn't dress TWEWY up as Final Fantasy Shibuya.

I like AT threads but what is this shit

>>4553765
Trolls trolling trolls trolling Final Fantasy fans

>>4553764
>dress up
>TWEWY
I see what you did there.

>>4553765
It's a video game thread about a video game.

Why are you surprised?

>>4553765
>I like AT threads

Then why are you here? Go back to AT.

>>4553764
They probably thought about it at one point. Square's design process seems to involve adding nods to Final Fantasy into EVERY JRPG they make, then deciding whether or not they can realistically make into a sidestory game once the story is completed.

>Final Fantasy 12
>/jp/

>>4553781

But why is it here?

>>4553793
/jp/'s mods ran away with a hooker or something.

>>4553793
Because JRPGs have become /jp/ related.

>>4553793
I don't know. Maybe to troll? Even then it's still better than X appreciation threads etc.

>>4553793
because Ashe is moe.
But she isn't.

>>4553790

I don't mind. This thread has been better than what usually happens on /v/ in FF threads. They usually derail into HURRRRR WRPG VS. JRPG

>>4553790
Don't hate us, moot

>>4553806
Ashe is wonderful.

>>4553811
That's because /v/ is full of dumb fratboy types that see only two game genres.
Shooters and weeaboo.

FFXII was bad. Period. Back in the day trolls had to try at least a little bit than to defend something this obvious as stated in my first sentence

>>4553859
>FF12
>Bad
No sir, you are the troll.

FF12 had an incredibly detailed setting, a vast world, a decent political drama story, BALTHIER, some of the best villains of the series, and a gameplay system that, while flawed, was an interesting departure from the norm.

>>4553879
1/10

>>4553879
It was decent at best, the battle system was garbage, I'd rather have Active Time Battle again.

>>4553879
And we're back to trolls trolling trolls.

That was fast.

If you don't want your mother to know you play it it belongs here. If you would play it with your brother and his 12 year old daughter in the room it belongs in /v/

>>4553903
Some idiots claim FFXII uses ATB

Not me though. I've actually played the game.

>>4553902
>>4553904
>implying I'm trolling
>>4553903
Like I said, flawed, but at least they tried. It would have been better if it had less grinding and not forced you to BUY FUCKING EVERYTHING HOLY FUCK. Also the superbosses needed less HP who the fuck wants to have a boss battle that's hours long?

>>4553930
You know what 12 uses? KOTOR's system. Or rather, a JRPG version of that (i.e. traditional JRPG stats instead of digitized Advaced D&D?)

>>4553935
You may not be trolling, but I disagree with your opinion. I did not care for the setting, story, or a decent number of the characters.

>>4553944
FF12 has a story and characters?

>>4553944
And I wasn't talking to you, though I would like to know how you can deny the detailed nature of the setting when you carry around a journal full of details about it the entire game, which continues to expand.

This thread is just 4 samefags arguing with each other and should be burned.

FF12's main problem is that it resembles mmorpg's too much for it own good but without a online component:

- boring plot
- lackluster battle system without immersion
- characters as if they were second grade npc's
- growing system again stupid like all sphere xy designs

In the end it's not even average or decent but just uninteresting and a complete failure for the franchise

/thread

>>4553971
>opinions presented as fact
no u

>>4553960
I didn't deny anything, I said I didn't care for it, as in FFXII's setting was not interesting to me.

3D killed jrpgs. It's over, they're finished. Move on.

>>4553977
>Implying it isn't fact that FF12 is shitty

>>4553984
Now, most everything in this thread is opinion based.

This, I think we can agree is a troll.

inb4 he samefags and claims not to be

>>4553984
I dunno man, we still got a few gems like Shadow Hearts 1 & 2.

>>4553995
>implying it is a fact

Just play the international zodiac system version

>>4553984
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZitNMW-b5Gs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2WXVMKBns0

These prove you wrong.

>Hasn't played Kingdom Hearts.

>>4554028


I'm going to wash myself. I feel dirty after watching that.

>>4553998
Shadow Hearts sucked man.

There are many good JRPGs in 3D, even if you do not like FF12 (I do, but whatever).

And then of course there's the fact that MANY JRPGS ARE STILL NOT IN 3D ANYWAY, OR THE 3D IS PURELY COSMETIC.

>>4554051
Like Mana Khemia

Wish it didn't scream GENERIC WEABOO SHIT at first glance though, it's so awesome but nobody will play it because of the looks ;_;

>>4554051
WHY THE FUCK IS THIS THREAD STILL HERE?


WHY ARE /jp/'s MODS SO SHITTY/NON-EXISTENT?

>>4554071
Well we don't HAVE mods for one. Just the one janitor, and he only deletes threads we really like, like the Caster Route stuff.

>>4554089
Janitors and mods are not board specific. Typical newfags...

>>4554069
I fucking hated that game

>>4554089
Really? Just ONE Janitor to clean up the leaking shitheap that is /jp/?

No wonder it's so shitty.

>>4554100
>implying /jp/ is ever tended to by anything other than a single Janitor that hates us
And you call OTHERS newfags?

>>4554107
What's the matter, too MANLY for you?

I like FF12 for it's world and gameplay, but I guess that's just me.

>>4554044
Dirty in your pants?

>>4554121
IF I WANTED TO COOK IN VIDYA, I'D PLAY COOKING MAMA.

I didn't mind the game, not so great, but graphics were top notch.

>>4554111
>Implying I implied something other than janitors and mods not being board specific.

>>4554100
Nobody uses the term "newfag" except those who fall into the thinly defined catagory of "newfag"

>>4554153
...Okay, got me there. Well played good sir.

from FFXII to 3D games to janitors.
I fucking love you /jp/. Never change.

>>4554190
We're a shifty lot.