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Youkai killing and eating humans is completely normal

Can I still call her mommy?

>>45461276
She deserves daily dickings by me. Oh and redemption too I guess.

>>45461276
She has been essentially lobotomized and is harmless. The real question is if Arm-chan deservers a chance. Or if they deserve a chance if they join together again.

>>45461276
>1586
only?

>>45461471
Thats the ones she buried.

She deserves NO

>>45461662

>>45461662

>>45461731
GO HAMMER GO HAMMER

>>45461693
I'm allergic to sex.

>>45461693
>>45461720
I'll bite

>>45462179
>you ignore me any other time
"I won't ignore you anymore so its fine, come here!"

>>45462179
She will bite too.

>>45461731
>this was drawn by a woman

What did she mean by this?

>>45461693
>>45461720
Roll.
I hate when threads devolve into get spam but gambling is so fun!

>>45461276
Only If she lets me make her the mother of my children (at least 12)

>>45462358
>I don't want to
You will eventually.

>>45461693
>>45461720
Roll

>>45462357
More women than you think enjoy femdom.

>>45464082
But I want domination loss!

>>45461314
I mean even by Oni standards she was pretty legendarily ruthless, in and out of touhou canon. She was sleeping out entire towns for fun.

>>45461731

>>45461276
I don't want her to have one. The more unapologetic the villain, the hotter.

>>45461324
I’m honestly shocked it took you guys 2 posts before you got unbearably horny.

>>45463606
>it's getting late
So you have to sleep with her
in her bed
It's too dark to go out at this hour anon
You have to stay anon.

I would simply cut off the lower half of my body to prevent Kasen from having sex with me.

>>45467086
Sounds gay

>>45461693
Let's see what my go to line for rejecting Kasen will be.

>>45467532
That is terrible and I don't think she would buy for a second that my parents care.

>>45461693
>>45461720
I'm saving you brothers, i'm finishing this oni

>>45461693
Alright, let me get a more plausible excuse!

>>45467626
>You'll tell everyone
Oh no, now I've brought attention to the fact that she has the power to force my cooperation by telling everyone regardless of if it actually happened or not. She probably wasn't even thinking about using such a devious tactic before the idea was planted in her head.

>>45461693
>>45461720
Mark my words anons
I will defeat her!

>>45468290
Kasen, turned on by the thought of a gangbang and enraged it was a lie, decides to violently rape you three times as much as punishment.

>>45468304
It's over for me...

>>45461693
>>45461720
Roll

>>45468512
>I have to go now
To the bedroom!

>>45461276
Yes. She was bad, but she ain't like that now.

>>45468525
I never stood a chance.

>>45461693
>>45461720
Let's see.

>>45468828
>It's not worth it
You just set yourself up for ultra-correction

How did Kasen memes come to this?

>>45461276
She more or less already got it.

>>45469426
It took some time mind you, but it was really hammered home thanks to the efforts of all our friends here at /jp/

>>45469540
You're no friends of mine.

>>45469426
>i love sex, wouldn't it be funny if someone who is free from most of her earthly desires(sex) also loved sex in secret even more than me? also i don't want sex anymore because yeah
or if you want to apply it to most touhous
>wouldn't it be funny if a touhou acted completely opposite to his normal self?
that's it really

>>45461693
>>45461720
She won't have her way with this time! It's rolling time!

>>45470401
>No.

>>45470468
What happens after this? I'm curious......
Should I be worried?

>>45461693
>>45461720
Rolling because this stupid lewd pink hole is human male only, her womb is made to birth human babies aka my babies.

>>45469539
Yeah but like, after all she did she never really suffered any consequence's and actively lies about who she was so it’s not like she’s willing to own up to her mistakes.

She’s basically like a Nazi that moved to the US under a different name and just acts like they never did the bad shit they did… are they really redeemed?

>>45471764
Her evilness got severed from her so you can't even say she redeemed herself on her own. She can't even resist her arm when they rejoin.

>>45471764
Well it's not like Kasen is the arm, yeah they were once part of the same person, but they clearly have different personalities, goals, and motives.
It's kind of unreasonable to hold Kasen responsible for somebody else's actions, especially when she's working against that person.
Besides what would owning up to it look like, confessing she used to be apart of the same person the arm was a part of? I don't think anybody would really care and it's just be embarrassing for her since she's uncomfortable with it.
Not to mention the fact she's already pretty altruistic, good natured, and goes out of her way to help people, what more would you demand of her?
And if you just want to her to admit to formerly being a part of Kasen Ibaraki then it doesn't accomplish anything since her behavior wouldn't change and that behavior is still benevolent.

If Kasen's arm and wickedness wasn't served from her, would she still be able to redeem herself to the person she is today? That's the important question.

>>45472017
Yeah but like what >>45471845 said its not like she ever actually atoned for what she was, she literally only exists in spite of her other half, her actual personality. And the second she's reattached to her arm her good side is basically overtaken once the arm decides it wants to be in charge. So her good side can't even really overcome her monstrous side, as that's the true form of Kasen.

Her arm isn't "someone" else's actions, its her true self, her actual personality, and I'm pretty sure even in Buddhism/Taoism you are judged in full by your full self, so I'm pretty sure she would still be screwed.

>>45469606
Gap Moe

>>45472130
>it's her self, her actual personality
it really isn't considering the arm is the one who disappears when they merge
kasen's the main body and the main personality, the arm is all her malice and hatred forced into one being (and even then, the fact that the arm can be surprised and pleased and kasen showing up implies that she could potentially become more than just hatred and malice)
I just find it funny that all of the oni on mt. ooe were participating in that shit but I never see anyone seething and suika and yuugi for it

why not just cut her arm lol

>>45472130
I'm talking about Armless Kasen the one with the bandage not "Kasen Ibaraki" the original Oni.
In a sense Kasen Ibaraki is the true real and original personality, but armless Kasen literally isn't her, and even when her and the arm merge, Kasen chooses to reject both the arm and their reunion into the original Kasen Ibaraki.
Not to mention Kasen already does plenty of good, the entirety of WaHH is her trying to be a good person and help people.
And honestly I'm all for her good side rejecting her evil side, better the arm is sealed away forever.

>>45472171
Suika and Yuugi just seemed to chill out on their own. Which is strange when you think about it considering how uncontrollable the arm is, but you could probably excuse that with the split and sealing not allowing her cruelty to be tempered over the centuries.

>>45472171
>>45472261

Not really, the arm even takes over as the default personality once she realizes her good side tricked her, pretty easily too. The Arm is the default personality and how she actually acts, the good kasen is the fake personality who is weaker than her evil counterpart.

Kinda defeats the idea of redemption if you're only really good because all the evil it forced out of you, and then despite all your good deeds, you immediately default to evil once the malice is brought back.

>>45472804
What in the Liquid Ocelot is this?

>>45472821
Never read Wild and Horned Hermit?

>>45472804
The arm literally calls itself and identifies as the arm, it is literally doing that in the page you posted.
And it's hard to call Kasen fake when we literally hear and see her thoughts and they are both real and nothing like the arm, she literally exists and isn't putting on an act no matter how much she puts herself down.
I'm not saying Armless Kasen is redeemed, I'm saying she's literally a different person and it's unreasonable to hold her responsible for the Arm and the Original in the first place because she literally isn't them.
It's taking total control over the body and shutting Kasen out, when previously they were properly fused into the original "Kasen Ibaraki," before it realized that Kasen had betrayed them both.
But yes it is the stronger personality, being able to force Kasen into a subordinate position, but by that same logic they are still distinct personalities and beings

>>45472834
Most "touhou fans" have never actually read the mangas nor played the games, most people just read the wiki and masturbate to shit-tier hentai.

>>45472834
No, as I had no interest in Kasen. Even now I'm just passing by.

>>45472885
Hey! That's wrong! My taste in hentai is great, I'll have you know.

>>45472885
I play the games regularly but i admit i did not read the mangas.

>>45472885
I started off masturbating to the hentai, then went on to play a few of the games, then went back to masturbating after realizing the games were shit.

>>45472900
Kill yourself

>>45472885
Cmon now… some of the hebtai is pretty good

>>45472873
I mean she’s kind of putting on an act still, she literally became a hermit for the sake of finding a way into greaves despite having no idea what a hermit is even decades after becoming one. While not as irredeemable as some of the anons are saying, she is still mostly being as nagging and nice as she is because she wants a free pass to paradise while also hiding who she used to be and not really coming to terms and accepting what she is.

>>45473224
Who cares if she wants to get to heaven, literally most people would if they had the chance, she's just putting in the work a a hermit.
Which literally involves signing onto having heavenly kills squads sent against you and putting in constant effort to keep up with the lifestyle. It's hard to call that a free pass into paradise.
Yeah ideally she'd be so strong she could easily overpower the arm and "Kasen Ibaraki" the original would also be a good person, but sealing the arm, literally pure evil away is fine to in my book.
It's not like she's obligated to have to re-fuse with the arm and all the better for that fucker being sealed away.

>>45473274
I mean she also used Reimu for the purpose of sealing the arm, potentially leading to her death if the arm had actually gone for the killing blow.

It was even stated that it was a toss up whether Reimu would’ve even survived The arm and Kasen basically threw her into the fire and if tenshi didn’t show up she might have just been killed off.

>>45473364
Dangerous or not, Reimu is a shrine maiden and sealing work like that is part of her job.

>>45473364
>I mean she also used Reimu
its kind of Reimu's job to deal with bad yokai and if arm-chan couldnt be sealed it would lead to death and destruction.

>>45473274
I don't think wanting to go to heaven is bad, but its kind of clear she only became a hermit and arguably wants to help people just so she can get a free pass into heaven. This while also lying and pretending she's this great and noteworthy hermit to everyone.

So she's still a massive liar at best, and a con artist trying to save herself and only pretending to be a really nice person at worst.

>>45473433
It's hard to call her a con-artist when she actually does her job and goes out of her way to help people, heck by that measure she's more of a hermit or saint than Miko who spends most of her time in the mausoleum.
Not to mention she'd literally putting in the effort to reach heaven.
She's a liar, and a shitty hermit, but I don't consider her a fake person or a bad person.

>>45473405
>>45473416
Yeah that doesn't really change the fact that she allowed Reimu to get caught off guard and without any preparation fight this extremely dangerous oni in literal hell, while not telling her the plan and leaving her to own power to hopefully survive long enough to find the youkai blade shard to finally give her the edge.

That and Reimu often fights other youkai with the spellcard rules, Arm Kasen was full on trying to kill her with no rules, its really only Tenshi showing up like last minute that Reimu was even able to win the fight.

>>45473473
Yeah its easy to be a good person when you literally get the evil sucked out of you, point is that all her "good" nature isn't because she actually choose to be a good person, but because she literally can't be evil anymore.

The fact the SECOND the arm fights for control over the original body she becomes irredeemably evil again shows that the good side of her only exists in absence of her evil, not in spite of it.

>>45473531
Yeah, Armless Kasen who literally had all of the evil sucked out of her she's not evil, and she is weaker than the Arm/Evil half.
So Armless Kasen isn't evil.
I'm glad we agree.

>>45473585
I mean does it really count as redemption or even being a good person if you're literally just the shadow of your real self? Like is Kasen truly a better person if they only way she could be a better person is if she literally has to remove a portion of her own soul. Armless Kasen is basically an uneven husk at best.

>>45474173
I don't really care honestly, as long as she isn't evil and is doing good she's fine in my book.
In my eyes, it's not like she has some responsibility to take back on the arm and conquer it, if it's sealed away for becomes less dominant the method doesn't matter as long as it's stopped.

>>45473478
She genuinely thought Reimu could help in the plan really well. I mean who could blame her? Reimu is monstrously strong. I think Akyuu said shes one of the strongest of her lineage. Kasen was also training her by that point as well. Reimu's intuition is also formidable. She had too much faith in her. Its a bad call but you make it sound like she threw a coughing baby into the pit of hell and expected it to work out.
>>45473531
Kasen isn't as morally good or pure without her arm as her haters think. She still has her own temptations, like her eating sweets despite being a hermit. She has her own struggles and overcame most of them. I imagine she must miss getting shit faced or fighting all the time like Oni usually do and she probably doesnt like having to do all the boring hermit ascetic stuff but does it anyway because the removal of the arm allowed her to work hard to become a better person. She could fall deeper into temptation and become a worse person but she doesn't because of the effort she puts in.

>>45474824
I wonder if she ever misses eating people. After all, she loves to eat.

>>45466855
Yeah usually it's straight up from first post
/jp/ has fallen

>>45473478
Genuinely, why didn't she just float and become intangible in this fight? Not to powerlevelfag too much, but wasn't Reimu supposed to be almost unbeatable if she's serious?

>>45475510
I swear Zun has been rolling back how tough Reimu is supposed to be for years now, even in the recent Detective Satori she gets her ass knocked out by Eirin and is constantly shocked by how powerful Youkai are.

Guess he realized theres not a lot of tension in a series where the main character is literally unbeatable

>>45475231
Whats even the point if you can't post "Mommy Kasen" within 2.3 attoseconds of seeing a Kasen thread. God has abandoned us

>>45475510
>what is a non-limits fallacy argument/statement?

>>45477690
Who are you quoting, faggot-kun?

>>45461276
Fuck her.

>>45477700
Me, I, and myself; triple faggot.

>>45475813
Sakuya also got a massive nerf in her powers with the written works. All that time stoppage and manipulation reduced to being some speedster, and not being able to even carry anyone with her because too much energy consumption.
Yomou also got nerfed pretty hard too in all honesty, but it might just be her being used as the fool for comedy, and not really indicative of her actual strength.

>>45477752
Remember when Sakuya could manipulate time AND space in EOSD?

>>45477758
Yeah, I guess you can just say Patchy and her magic is the reason for the endless hallways now?
I really can't think of any 2hu who got a upgrade in the written works for that matter. All the crazy shit from EoSD to IN were brushed under the rug the moment SSiB came about to tell a coherent story.

>>45477752
According to Sakuya, and she's a notorious liar.

>>45477752
I mean, theres an argument to be made that almost all of the touhou's aren't nearly as strong as they're made out to be and most of their strength is just fluff. Like Yuyuko's death manipulation being absolute against everybody... except the Hourai Elixir Immortals or pretty much half the gods and demons she hangs out with. Hell it doesn't even seem to really work on both Reimu or Marisa since they have hung out with her a few times. Its probably just that Zun never intended the characters to be powerscaled and simply just made up cool abilities on the fly before realizing he actually had to write a story to go along with his OP as fuck characters later.

>>45461693
>>45461720
I'll be the one to say no!

>>45478338
You’re funeral.

>>45478338
"Don't worry about it, you'll be very comfortable by time I'm done!"

>>45477785
>I really can't think of any 2hu who got a upgrade in the written works for that matter.
The only one I could argue for is Lily White, who in her one appearance in the Three Fairies manga is implied to not only herald spring with a happy barrage of danmaku, but that her proximity alone has the power to awake the spring in living things - arguably making her ability marginally non-useless as opposed to the borderline gag description from the omake

>>45478500
He is funeral???

>>45477785
Like… has Reimu ever used her fantasy nature in print once outside of the Fairies manga? And even that was just showing that she’s really lucky not intangible.

>>45477785
I guess it's cheating since 17.5 came first but flan went from 'autistic neet in basement' to 'unstoppable force of destruction' in CDS
I fucking hate it

>>45480865
No, and it's not like it doesn't exist either.
CoLA has Rinnosuke talk about it without name dropping it, and in WaHH, Kasen also describes it without really name dropping it either, when she bets on Reimu to lose her fight.
So Reimu should be unbeatable when she just removes all attachment and goes with the flow, but she is really emotional in the print works.

>>45478553
Larva got a buff as well, and while Cirno's not that different in the print works, her power in the games is all over the place, since she went from insignificant (and occasional speed bump), to being able to make Marisa sweat a little, to having enough potential to throw down with one of the strongest, if not outright the most powerful individuals in Gensokyo.
Other than them, it feels like only the Lunarians get to keep their power level intact, but they're kind of designed to be ridiculously bekeken broken on purpose, which is why they're usually kept away from the others.

>>45481182
Eirin can't even lift a big jar without help.

>>45481182
I'm always amazed by this artist's ability to draw samefaces, I can't even draw two identical circles

>>45481182
To be fair, Larva is also a god, albiet a weak one.
CIrno doesn'y have an explanation, but she's consistently unexplainable and noted to be odd, so I give her a pass, even though it's likely her weirdness will never be explained.
It's just a Cirnoid flavor of Rumia-EX.
Except more substantial since we do see a stronger Cirno form.

>>45461276
This cute hermit is my cute wife and deserves redemption because she's cute and mine

>>45461693
>>45461720
My turn!!!

>>45464754
>She was sleeping out entire towns for fun.
Whore!!!

>>45472885
I read all the official print work and reat the game dialogue on the wiki

>>45477752
Wasn't Sakuya lying because she didn't want to help or something?

>>45481502
same reason Eirin lied about not being able to lift the jar in the fairy manga I think, she didn't want to do it.

>>45480874
That and the Detective Satori Manga pretty much confirmed the Fanon interpretation of her to being the most canon now.

>>45481291
The reason doesn't really matter much. Larva was initially depicted as just a fairy with the power to throw scales around and unbeknownst to her producing doyou from her back door, but the manga went out of its way to make her stronger, in contrast to most everyone else. Even Clownpiece got a nerf, since she went from a seemingly pretty strong opponent in LoLK, to notably being terrified of Reimu and royally getting her ass kicked by an Okina who wasn't trying at all, to having Hecatia proclaim her to be strong and not just by fairy standards. There's just no reliable frame of reference to her.

The really weak characters seem to get buffs, while the overpowered abilities of the stronger ones get more restricted (if their name isn't Flandre) and generally put closer to their mythological inspirations where a sufficiently capable human would be able to kick their ass.

>>45481895
Even in her initial depiction in the game Larva is noted to be odd and even is name dropped as Tokyo no Kami, not to mention the page you posted right here provides the reasoning for her being stronger.
Unlike Cirno or the othe fairies larva managed to harness the berserk life force buff Okina gave all of them and absorbed that strength into her base power.
Clownpiece during the events of LoLK has also been amped by Junko's purification ability, which as said by ZUN makes things more godly and which Junko used to refine the impurity fairies she brought with her to the moon.
They were all been buffed, but when Junko stopped purifying them they didn't absorb that power boost into their base power like Larva did.
So during the events of the manga we have a stronger Larva and a weaker Clownpiece which don't scale to their previous showings.

>>45461731
no..

>>45481416
Reminder this is what she actually looks like

>>45487686
To be honest when it comes to traditional Japanese art this is actually pretty great
Usually they're not even trying to make them look like people

>>45487686
I'll just close my eyes.

>>45478261
>I mean, theres an argument to be made that almost all of the touhou's aren't nearly as strong as they're made out to be and most of their strength is just fluff
Its a very bad argument imo but i see where it comes from, it coming from ZUN being inconsistent. Their powers are stupidly strong, especially with how vague and open ended they are in how they're named and described, see Boundary Manipulation. The gods and demons Yuyuko hangs out with are strong in their own right, they aren't literal whos. Reimu and Marisa are obviously strong too. Hourai immortals literally defy entropy, their souls are invincible.
>Its probably just that Zun never intended the characters to be powerscaled
No author ever powerscales. Its why characters and stories are inconsistent and annoying. He gives a character godlike power, they do godlike things and then they get destroyed by someone much weaker than them. It's like if he made a newhu who's power is subatomic particle manipulation and she turns literal stars and even dimensional spaces into cheese with ease. She uses her powers to make her body all but invincible and whoever she's fighting exploits a weakness of hers to beat her. She then appears in some random manga where she uses her powers to make ice cream and she stubs her toe and gets hurt. Then she's never heard from again because ZUN forgot about her. She's depicted as weak but you also cant ignore her when she was shown to be strong.
>simply just made up cool abilities on the fly before realizing he actually had to write a story to go along with his OP as fuck characters later.
This is so frustrating. How is it that a Jojo guy like him doesn't put OP abilities to good use? He kind of did that with Yukari telling Reimu to use the boundary between seasons for her fight with Okina but he rarely ever puts overpowered abilities to good use. They either never get used or get retconned to not be so op. But that doesn't stop him from making an OP character but using that character in a more grounded story where she doesn't do anything with her powers. It's like he wants them to be strong but also weak at the same time. I think he just vomits out words on a page and doesn't think anything through.

>>45488599
>No author ever powerscales
Suggs powerscales.

>>45461325
She will dominate you before you dominate her.

>>45488857
When was the last time you heard of losing to pussy idiot but you alays hear of losing to cock. Bet you barely need to stick it in her before she turns submissive.

>>45489538
Survivor bias, anon..

>>45489538
She's a big time Oni, anon. She'd only need to put in one inch of your dick before you're mewling and you want to quick shot but her pussy wont let you.

>>45487703
That makes it worse, she’s just human enough to hit the uncanny valley of ugly old bitch and that just ruins the vibe.

>>45488599
The danmaku duel is a pretty ingenious way of ignoring powerlevels in the games, since it's mostly just theatre. But danmaku seems to not exist in the manga most of the time.
ZUN's bread and butter are SoLs when it comes to his print works. Power levels shouldn't matter, and wouldn't matter at all when the main goal of the story is to be a lesson in mostly Japanese centered history or folklore.
But the moment that starts to divert into actual action, like the SSiB moon duel, or the current CDS, then it becomes a problem because power levels clash with plot progression.

>>45491801
Yeah. I don't know what this guy wants. Like most of the story doesn't have fights and its just characters investigating something or learning something then suddenly there's an impromptu anime fight like its a JRPG. No danmaku. You got buddhist nuns throwing crazed vampires through roofs, said vampire dodging and jumping around and environmental damage etc. If he's gonna have fights may as well have good choreography and not hold back on the characters power so we can have memorable fights. Or preferably have a plot centered around fighting instead of shoving it into another story. Wouldn't be out of place in the grander story considering the fighting games, a bunch of characters already being violent assholes or retired violent assholes, trained martial artists like Meiling and Mokou and Kaguya killing each other every day for fun.

The thought of her being full and blissfully leaning back and rubbing her now swollen belly with a belch after eating me makes my penis get big

>>45492002
You and me Anon, we're one and the same.

>>45492002
I'll make it a pregnant belly as well.

>>45488599
I mean, theres a precedent with a lot of the lore being stated to either be exaggerated or the Youkai maniupating Akyuu to make them look cooler. Like Yukari being able to manipulate all boundaries but still being completely outclassed by several characters which shouldn't be possible if her powers were so absolute

Also yeah plenty of Authors powerscale... ask Akira Toriyama... or SCP.

>>45487686
People want to fuck THAT?

>>45495561
No silly, 2hu fans only want to fuck children.

>>45495742
I must not be a 2hu fan. What a shock...

>>45495523
Don't forget Godzilla, well at least the Hesei, Sowa era and their alternate time lines.
Actually thinking of it Minus One probably counts as well.

>>45495742
All 2hus are over 20 years old.

>>45488599
>No author ever powerscales
I guess it depends on what you mean by powerscalling?
Generally, I imagine, authors try to have a good grasp on what their characters can do and what they are feeling in order to make conflict realistic.
And by realistic I mean the audience is able to suspend their disbelief, which is something ZUN has had a problem with in CDS as so many of the problems Mizuchi causes are easily solved by people who don't live even a block away and who also have a reason to be involved.
But even then those characters aren't introduced in this story due to ZUN establishing their abillties as being good counters to Mizuchi's in previous works.
If you mean arguing about who would win from two separate pieces of fiction, then I just think you're being silly as there's no way even ZUN has been able to avoid doing that.
Also a character jobbing is a normal thing that happens in stories, and when a strong character jobs that doesn't mean their weak, but their opponent is stronger or has an advantage.
For instance humans in the past of Touhou would also include demi-gods, living gods, literal gods, spirits of their own, magic, and specialized anti-youkai tools, in an enviroment where youkai were weaker, i.e outside the Hakurei barrier.
So a youkai like Kasen losing to a human doesn't make her weak, it makes the human that beat her strong and it's literally pointed out that he had a weapon.
A person, especially in fiction is capable of wielding a weapon stronger than they are.

>>45495523
>I mean, theres a precedent with a lot of the lore being stated to either be exaggerated
Yes to an extent. Like with Cirno trying to get Aya to make her look good while she was reporting on Cirno getting her ass kicked by a giant frog. But people blow this out of proportion and essentially say that all the characters are lying con artists and are actually weak. All while ignoring feats the character has and statements made by the narrator/author or in character bios/info
>Youkai maniupating Akyuu to make them look cooler
Where do people get this from? Which yokai did this to her? If anything she would do the opposite since she doesn't like yokai. She outright says that they are the enemy of humanity as she's trying to get a yokai fox exterminated with Reimu's help despite the fox not having harmed anyone. And why would she do it anyway? How did they manipulate her? Even if this is true that doesn't mean all the yokai are coming to her for this purpose and we have other more legitimate sources that show how strong they actual are. Character info from the narrator or the shit they pull in the story.
>Like Yukari being able to manipulate all boundaries but still being completely outclassed by several characters which shouldn't be possible if her powers were so absolute
ZUN addresses this, see picrel. She also holds back in pretty much every fight she's in. But yes there are a few who are stronger but that doesn't invalidate her strength. I dont think she's suppose to be omnipotent or have absolute power despite her powers technically allowing her to be. Maybe nigh-omnipotent? I admit this is a weird problem in the narrative but this happens in many stories anyway.

>>45497941
>Generally, I imagine, authors try to have a good grasp on what their characters can do and what they are feeling in order to make conflict realistic.
Exactly this. Other anons name drop authors who ''powerscale'' but they dont. They just mindlessly turn up the dial then turn it down a bit when they write themselves into a corner then turn it back up. No thought or consideration.
>But even then those characters aren't introduced in this story due to ZUN establishing their abillties as being good counters to Mizuchi's in previous works.
Extremely lazy writing. Why couldn't he think up something that justifies them not being there, not wanting to take part or MIzuchi finding a counter to their counter or working around it?
>Also a character jobbing is a normal thing that happens in stories, and when a strong character jobs that doesn't mean their weak, but their opponent is stronger or has an advantage
Your Kasen example does make sense but It isn't so cut and dry unfortunately. It could be that they aren't stronger but still win somehow with no explanation. And if there is one its contrived or stupid. Like ''muh power of friendship'' or ''i tried really hard so that means i win'' or deus ex machinas. Them suddenly becoming stronger or the advantage they may be nonsensical or stupid. Take a look at any 2hu lore thread on this board and you'll see people rightfully complaining that a toehoe loses all the time. This happens even more often in communities centered around stories with lots of fights. Go to /a/ and click on any thread about shounen anime. Especially if its a Kengan or Baki one.

>>45492238
Why is one of her boobs smaller

>>45499842
She needs to balance her weight around her smoke arm.

>>45491801
Danmaku as a balancing mechanic is honestly pretty iffy, since there's such a strong correlation between danmaku skill and general power that it might as well not exist.
If danmaku really was all about skill, all the best competitors would be artists and math whizzes, which works for some characters like Yukari and Eirin, but many others, not so much, Utsuho is supposedly a really dangerous opponent despite clearly being an idiot, Youmu is half-baked and simpleminded but has no issue going up against powerful opponents, and Cirno having had her potential released made her far better at danmaku, too.
The idea that spell card rules would allow weak character to stand a serious chance to defeat a much stronger opponent has always been kind of a sham from a lore perspective, and that's not even considering the situations where spell card rules really make zero sense, like with Keiki, who has no reason to care about Gensokyo's rules and thought the situation was super serious instead of largely being intended as a play fight like most bosses.

>>45500305
Heh, it's almost like ZUN made some bullshit up on the spot to explain why a miko with no money can beat up gods.

>>45500305
Spell card rules only makes sense from a gameplay perspective. Bosses can take loads of damage and protagonists can't. Unless they're bosses. Bombs are spell cards, but what do lives represent? Bad endings don't always make much sense from a practical perspective. Why do newcomers to Gensokyo or residents of other realms know about spell card rules?

The spell card system was an excuse for the gameplay friendly Danmaku battles. Don't put much thought into it from a lore perspective.

>>45500735
>residents of other realms know about spell card rules?
According to SSiB "its fun"

>>45500735
I might be wrong, but I do believe ZUN said that the way the 2hus fight one another in PoFV is how he sees danmaku duels actually work.
Or maybe it was the fighting games? Either way, the SMHUPS aren't the best representation of danmaku duels.

>>45488599
Soubds like you're taking the power descriptions too literally. Pretty sure I remember hearing that in the original japanese it's supposed to be something along the lines of "Supposedly can" too.
Think of a power less absolutely and you'll stop having as many problems. I have to power to pick up rocks, since I can lean down and pick up a small rock in my garden, but I'm not gonna be able to lift a giant boulder any time soon because of it.
As an example, even a strong youkai with a strong sounding ability like Yukari couldn't just open a gap to the moon, she had to leverage things to get there. Kogasa has the ability to scare humans, but she's exceedingly bad at it.
Thus pretty handily explains sotuations like Remilia. She probably can manipulate fate, but she's clearly not very string with it compared to her physical feats, which is why she isn't just fated to always win.

>>45500353
>why a miko with no money can beat up gods
That's the easiest part to explain, though. As a shrine maiden, Reimu channels the power of her god, whose power just happens to be "beat youkai senseless".
>>45500735
>The spell card system was an excuse for the gameplay friendly Danmaku battles. Don't put much thought into it from a lore perspective.
Basically, yeah.

>>45501253
It's more like, "an extant" or "capable of," which implies that there are degrees to a character's power and they aren't absolute.
Which is consistent with statements made by ZUN and what we've seen in cannon, Yuyuko's ability to manipulate death allows her to control the dead, and make it absolutely certain a person will die, but that doesn't mean she can instantly kill every single person she comes across without resistance.
Maribel, while possessing the same ability as Yukari is not as well versed in it and is weaker than her.
Momoyo has the ability to eat dragons, or rather she is a member of a species which is known to predate on dragons, so naturally she should be able to kill and eat some.
I didn't think it needed to be said, but for those that don't get it, experience and the amount of power the individual has plays a part in the expression their ability.

>>45461276
She is cute so all her warcrimes are forgiven.

>>45499178
>Your Kasen example does make sense but It isn't so cut and dry unfortunately. It could be that they aren't stronger but still win somehow with no explanation.
Wasn't magic also meant to exist before Gensokyo? Maybe not as magically advanced to have everyone fly and shit, but still some level of magic.
>>45500735
It's a hard to explain how they somehow spread really quick into other realms somehow in a legit way. idk in around 5 years to older hell and in around 10 it reaches Junko and Heca.
I appreciate it a bit from a story perspective tho in a similar way that warcrimes and weapon regulation exist irl so it kinda makes sense for some magic regulation to exist.
>>45501253
Reminds me a doujin were Patchouli ask Remi to what degree her fate manipulation works since there's a difference between a great chef and someone that can just fry an egg in cooking level.
Remi answers: The level of peeling a banana
>>45500353
t. Shinki

>>45461693
roll

>>45507494
If just going on the original story, the guy both had a strong magic sword and was lucky.
She kidnapped him and he got a single swing in which severed the arm and weakened her, this also means he successfully avoided being raped, killed, and eaten by Kasen.
Although she doesn't necessarily do things in that order.

>>45461693
>>45461720
>>45461731
What the fuck is wrong with her?

>>45507614
She asked for help to Reimu seal always her evil. But since the miko is a lonely virgin she did not consider to seal her lust away since she forgot it existed.

>>45507561
Going by the tale either yokai regen was weaker due to Kasen being not as strong or the sword itself also worked on the "mental layer" and not only the physical making Kasen unable to rejoin her arm magically.
Order? She can do all three at the same time!

>>45507816
Most youkai stories ends with some samurai from a prestigious clan shooting it, or just slicing its head off with a mundane weapon.
Stories like these were pretty much just propaganda for whoever was at the top of hierarchy at the time.

>>45507816
Youkai Regen seems to be a form of shape shifting, their "real" bodies seem to be a collection of loose black colored particles which take a shape depending on human cognition.
But since youkai in Gensokyo can control their form freely they can essentially reform a limb as long as they have energy.
The sword is also magic, I'm guessing it severed the arm and forced it to keep the shape it was in, weakening Kasen.

>>45507886
The important thing is that any youkai can give herself a massive penis when she wants to.

>>45508068
Kill yourself fagoot

>>45507877
Huh, I guess now that you say it I don't know any tale where a human pulls of supernatural stuff like cutting an anvil or a rock with a sword in Japanese myth.
Closest thing I remember is the Omukade, which deflected arrows but got killed due to saliva, hitting the same spot 3 times and/or summoning a war archery god.
But imo if Seiga had to move to Japan to flex her powers cause China was already filled with hermits I'd expect some humans to have powers to some degree.
>Stories like these were pretty much just propaganda
This could be applied to every myth to some degree I guess.
>>45507886
Now that I think off every boss appears with some black mist since DDC and none of them is humans... I guess the last human boss we got was Sanny?

>>45508119
It's not gay to like girls.

>>45508152
Your words are meaningless. You are a homosexual, die

>>45508126
The Nitori in FS also starts emitting black particles when she begins to shapeshift to a more primal youkai state to make a point to reimu. The baby Youkai in FS is also entirely comprised of those black particles.
Miss exposition Maribell also speculates about youkai particles having properties similar to photons.
Remi also does someting to the effect I described to heal herself in SSiB when she gets hurt by the rocket's protective spells, I think there are also a handful of other examples I can't think of off the top of my head.

>>45508290
>Similar to Photons
So this guy solos Gensokyo?

>>45512169
No, but they still lose to cock and true love.

>>45501253
>Soubds like you're taking the power descriptions too literally.
I'm reading the descriptions, this isn't poetry where you can't take it too literally. I mean you should read it with a grain of salt, but even then most of the information is true and you can check for that by looking at other stories or decriptions.
>It's supposed to be something along the lines of "Supposedly can" too
I think it's something like the ''extent/degree''. Regardless this is just semantics. Sure sometimes it might say that only for a character to do exactly the thing that they ''supposedly can'' do. Like with flight, if im not mistaken people think that a 2hus flight is somehow limited because of what you said may be in the original Japanese. They say that while ignoring the that a lot of the cast can easily fly anywhere they want. Remilia flew around the moon to catch Yorihime off guard or the Imperishable Night protagonists flying through the infinite hallways in Eientei with them doing it so easily they didn't even know it was infinite until Eirin told them.
>Think of a power less absolutely and you'll stop having as many problems. I have to power to pick up rocks, since I can lean down and pick up a small rock in my garden, but I'm not gonna be able to lift a giant boulder any time soon because of it.
You or I may not be able to do that, but a 2hu can. What they actually do in the story can further clarify the extent to which their power goes. The hourai immortals are immortal. To what extent? Well they die plenty of times and eat spiritual and physical attacks for dinner and come back for more. This along with the description of their power and statements from other characters means they're basically invincible.
>As an example, even a strong youkai with a strong sounding ability like Yukari couldn't just open a gap to the moon, she had to leverage things to get there.
That is a good point, i also recall her having trouble getting to the heavens as well. Which is weird considering that she can easily travel across dimensions and open up holes in space time and pop up anywhere in Gensokyo or the Outside World. Her boundary abilities were said to be able to affect anything. So I cant find any canon explanation for why she can do what i just said but also has trouble going to less than a handful of places. My headcanon is that places like the moon are intentionally made harder for her to get to via magic or some other reasons because the people there don't like her. This applies to the heavens as well since she's on bad terms with Tenshi and she called the people there out for trying to keep others out of the heavens.

>>45508068
I'v read that doujin!

>>45516603
Which one?

>>45516603
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down

>>45461276
No

>>45461276
Yes

>>45526568
>>45526875
Duality of man

>>45508290
Its always a nice reminder that the funny anime girl form most of the youkai take are literally just there's to either trick people or because they find it amusing. In reality they are literal helldemons at worst and SCP fodder at best.

>>45539271
Still would.

>>45539313
Shapeshifting youkai sex...

I want to fugg Yuugi loudly while Kasen and Suika watch.

>>45539418
How would the other two react?

>>45539442
Suika cheer you on, happy her shy virgin of a sister finally found a man while Kasen would be badly hiding her arousal.
If you play your card rights you can bed all three of them.

>>45539418
Be like throwing a hotdog down a hallway to her

>>45539454
>you can bed all three of them.
I don’t think even the most virile and robust man could hope to satiate three onis back to back, let alone all of them at once like you may be implying.

>>45544221
That's a quitters mentality, you'd obviously never be able to fuck even one oni.

>>45545551
Maybe you’re right but you’ve got to admit they’re way beyond humans when it comes to the physical.

I like Arm-chan better

>>45545981
That just means you gotta put in the effort, besides are you forgetting each of them can create alcohol that makes things more oni-like.

>>45546160
True enough, they seem to be more than worth the effort. I think it’s Kasen who has some kind of box sake thing that can make those who drink from it stronger or more oni like.

>>45539271
>SCP fodder at best.
Muh SCP. That setting is garbage and wanked to hell and back.

>>45546853
It's just a comparison in terms of strength. No one's saying that 2hus take themselves as seriously as SCPs.

>>45546853
It used to be better.

>>45539271

>>45546853
>>45547047
Suffered hard from writers going a little too willy nilly with the setting and retconing lots of stuffs instead of being short form stories about SCPs and stuff

>>45547775
Cute dork kappa

>>45539271
>>45547775
ZUN: I'm gonna put the shadow but not her explicitly transforming her body so she might or might not actually be able to shapeshift cause specifying shit is for fans.

>>45547825
Suffered from escalation, which I'm glad 2hu doesn't have. It's a lot like horror DBZ where every so often there has to be an SCP even bigger and scarier than the last and it's blown well past the point where it's scary and into farce.

>>45551732
Yeah, we have deescalation instead.
Everyone is a lot weaker/dumber than described.

>>45551660
Fact: The reason Youkai take human form is to find mates and no other reason. Don't forget that since Youkai attacks pretty much don't happen anymore there is no reason for them to take the form other than seduction and the innate desire of all things that walk this earth or swim the sea to be pampered by a human.

>>45551732
When "Hard-to-kill" Means an unbounded unscaleable outerversal+ threat to the outer omniverse.
And a wacky evil plague doctor is a commentary on human nature.

>>45551761
Gensokyo is a retirement home, what do you expect?

>>45551769
Why do some of them make themselves so flat if they want to find a mate?

>>45555251
They are loliconcons

>>45552928
I want to.go..

>>45544221
I have a tongue, hands and a penis.