/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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>>I’ll be editing work done by a few new translators for a game by Circus

Valkyrie Complex, right?

>>We’ll also be getting another game from Overdrive, but not until they actually finish development.

Wow, so those e-mails /jp/ sent actually worked.

Fuckers should buy more not only pirate.

>>4538687
I'd buy them if they weren't all shit.

>>4538687

I'll buy Higurashi when it's physical and/or not mangled.

>>4538687
I wont buy them because I don't buy anything.

I'm kinda sad how people bought more Shuffle and Da Capo than Kira Kira.
>the new game is one in the Da Capo series
Well, damn. I'd rather see something different personally. Not enthused about those games.
>we’re also likely to get an Ojou-sama game that the folks at BaseSon developed prior to working on Koihime Musou.
Don't really know what to think about this. Anyone actually played this one?

Hey, I bought Da Capo and Suika from them. I'll be buying more when I get a job.

VN demographics:Losers with little to no income and a higher tech understanding than the average consumer

Most games get pirated

whothefuckdidntseethatcoming

>>4538628
Make "hard copies" that are essentially "made on demand", and mark them up by $20 or so (before shipping). I'd be willing to wager that such an arrangement could be made for less than $20 a copy, and since it would only be "on demand", you wouldn't have to worry about having entire warehouses full of games that were not bought.

>>4538729
People who pay for their loser indulgence.

Well /jp/, what would it take to convince you to buy a digital product and how much would you pay for it? This, of course, is assuming its easily copied if enough effort went into it.

So they are translating the shitty version where you can't play with loli tsundere femdom SouSou ?
Fuck this shit.

>>4538745
them cutting the price by 2/3rds

>>4538734
Unfortunately, I doubt the Japanese conglomerate behind MangaGamer will be accepting of such an idea.

>>4538734
Having boxes made usually requires several thousand to be printed at once. You can keep them flattened until it's time to ship but its still a large investement when people just copy your product. Then again, maybe it should be marketed as more of a collectors item.

I'd buy them if I liked visual novels.

>>4538769

And if you could stop pissing yourself to buy it

>>4538769
Can't expect much from a person that willingly pees his bed.

Well this doesn't sound too good.

>>4538757
Where would your price point be? $20? $15? Do you also buy games off of a digital distribution service like steam?

>>4538769
Maybe you should change your tripcode, bedwetter-kun

What if they sent people a hard copy of the original game + a data patch that they could use to get a translated version? That way they wouldn't have to print/press anything new, just acquire some copies of the original games, plus I think most weeaboos would rather own copies of the original games as opposed to translated ones.

Maybe if you hadn't fucked up the editing, left the graphics and other elements intact, and released a physical copy you'd get more sales.

>>4538792
Steam is a shitty system were people pay full price for imaginary copies.
I can't believe it fucking works, I hate humanity...

15~17

>>4538798
That might not fly well, given censorship issues in the countries they ship to. However, it seems like a compelling idea. Do you think it would stop people from simply pirating the game and patch and ultimately increase sales?

>>4538792
20-25 bucks and I do have a Steam account.

I don't care about this constant debate about privacy.
What are your thoughts on the just announced games instead?

>>4538798
They can't do that, it'll undercut the Japanese market.
Unless you want their games to sell for around ~100USD?

>>4538801
You're essentially paying for a service, where you can download the games you purchased quickly and easily at any computer with steam installed. It's also neatly organized, CD-less and no messing around with cracks.

>>4538837
It also requires you to be connected to Internet at all times. Also 1984.

>>4538795
>>4538774
>>4538778
The last VN I played was Tsukihime and I was going into the Ciel end when I wanted Arcueid.
I've been traumatized ever since.

>>4538801
Unless you're like me and only buy games when they're 80% off.

>>4538842
>It also requires you to be connected to Internet at all times
You can go into offline mode you know.

>>4538801
I have yet to pay full price on Steam

>>4538628
I wouldn't pirate their stuff if their prices were reasonable.

Just replace the euros in the prices with dollars and I'd pay them all day long.

>>4538798
Won't work for most of their VNs because they're porting them from other engines to their own engine.

I think /jp/sies should stop caring about getting physical copies(What is a physical copy? Just a backup and a shiny 'collectable' box, maybe with a manual and some extras) and simply "donating" to MangaGamer by buying some game(s), regardless if they pirate other games or then use a crack on the game they bought or whatever. Think of it as an investment into getting more games translated.

>Q: Oh, and that last “certain other company” in your previous response sounds fascinating. Any hints you are allowed to drop on this?

>A:Let’s just say I’d never want to eat their jam or their bread.

Holy shit.

What kills it for me is you are paying for something that costs close to as much as the Japanese copy of the game, but with no physical copy, and typically years after it was originally released.

I understand they need to do that to garner any form of profit, but it's a shit deal for the consumer. There has to be a better way to translate this shit that is fair on both sides.

>>4538864
All their games already have translation projects though.

>>4538816
People who pirate will pirate, no matter what. Companies need to think less about preventing piracy and more about how to make paying money an appealing option. I've pirated games before and then bought them because I like them and want to own a hard copy, or because I want to support the creators. As other people have pointed out, the English speaking eroge market is pretty much full of people who know how to pirate, so nobody is going to buy the games because they think that's the only way they'll be able to play them. The job of the company is to convince us that we should pay money for something that we know we can already have for free. I think that wanting to own a hard copy is a big reason to pay money for something.

>>4538831
I think it would be fair to sell hard copies of games for the same price as the Japanese ones. The seller would have to make a deal with the eroge company to get copies of the game at a cheaper price, so that they could sell those for full price and keep the left over money to pay their translators. But this would still equal more money made for the eroge company, so I don't see why they'd be against something like that.

>>4538864
Key?
Rewrite?

>>4538875
And thus MG loses even more money

>>4538875
Air doesn't anymore.

>>4538859
Then they could supply a full data copy of the working English game + ship you a copy of the Japanese game.

I agree with the idea of donating, but I'm just trying to think of more ways that they could make money. Having the option to buy either a soft copy or a hard copy + soft copy for more money might interest more customers.

>>4538870
Im starting to like the idea of just selling the original game with a patch. The prices could be set such that it'd be cheaper to buy from Japan, but you'd lose on the shipping costs. You would also save money and development time in not porting it to your engine. The parent company would still make the same amount of money off of every copy sold, and the translators would skim a little bit off of every foreign copy, with much less money invested.

>>4538859
They're a business, not a charity. If their model doesn't work, they need to change it.

>>4538886
If they ship you a full copy of the Japanese game, then you'd probably end up with fairly large prices. The price would have to be slightly higher than the price of the japanese version.

>>4538764
Quotes for just a full color DVD package:
(Units asked for/price per unit)

25 $ 3.24
50 $ 2.79
100 $ 2.09
200 $ 2.05
350 $ 1.99
500 $ 1.89
1,000 $ 1.15
2,000 $ 0.96
3,000 $ 0.95
4,000 $ 0.92
5,000 $ 0.85
6,000 $ 0.84
7,000 $ 0.83
8,000 $ 0.82
9,000 $ 0.80
10,000 $ 0.78

Price for DVD itself:
1000 $.95
750 $.99
500 $1.15
350 $1.25
200 $1.35
100 $1.45
50 $1.95
25 $2.35
15 $3.55

It's PREFERABLE to have large quantities made at once because you get a discount on PPU, but you can have them made in smaller sets if you're willing to pay for it. By these prices, even if you had only 25 made at a time (which I imagine is betting pretty low. MG's VN may not sell well, but I'm pretty sure they sell better than THAT), it would cost roughly $5.60 each. At a $20 markup, they'd be making plenty off of it.

>>4538896
They need to avoid translating those $80-90 eroge, that shit is just ridiculous for a fappan gaem.

>>4538891
And how would you propose they do that? I don't see considerably better possibilities than what they currently have.

>>4538801
>>Steam is a shitty system were people pay full price for imaginary copies.

Definitely. If I wanted an imaginary copy of a game then I would just torrent it. Same exact thing except more convenient (for me) to obtain.

I would gladly pay $50 for the real deal instead of $25 for some imaginary copy.

I would have bought it if I got a physical copy
Oh well

If you complain about price now, imagine what the price of a hard copy would be.

Manga licensed in English sell for 3-4 times the price of the original and more in non-US countries.

>>4538896
I think it would be reasonable to expect paying a slightly higher price for something that's basically an import from another country, no?

And again I think something could be worked out so that the translators can buy copies directly from the makers at a cheaper price than Japanese sale price, thus allowing them to skim off more money for themselves.

>>4538904
HIBT?

Guys, remember Hirameki International Group? They sold DVDs and look how they turned out...

>>4538919
They sold censored DVDPG shit.

>>4538864
Am i the only one who doesn't understand this? Could anyone tell me wich company it is?

Buyfag here.

No physical copy no deal in my case. I will gladly support the industry by buying their merchandise instead of some 01010101 data.
Just look at the amount of books that I just order and they are cheaper than higurashi.

>>4538924
It is Key.
They have a deal with 07th expansion. Since Ryukishi is one of the writer for Rewrite I bet 10bucks that they will be doing Rewrite.

>>4538926
lol what did you black out there, bro?

>>4538913
What? No, the last eroge I torrented was like 8800 yen, I shudder to think of how much MG would make it with a physical copy.

>>4538926
I buy Manga and Anime because they are affordable. Mangagamers grossly overprices their products.

>>4538931
Some normalfag book that I bought for my friend to save on shipping.
Dictionary of cliches.

>>4538926
This, I buy manga and light novels all the time, even though I have most of the shit on my hard drive.

It's just nice to have that tangible copy on you.

Why do you guys want a disc in a case so badly? You know JAST? They have cheap discs in cases. What do you want, the same files that are available on MG's site to be sitting on a disc and mailed to you?

I'll be taking orders if anyone is interested.

Just curious here, how many of you guys would support a dojinsoft company by buying their games that didn't have the means to produce or send physical copies? Even if the game was $5?

>>4538940
It's just that people don't like paying money for nothing.

>>4538940
So that I can put them together with my other toys, gundams, plushies and books.

>>4538934
Do you really believe that MG sets their own prices?

>>4538919
Hirameki died because they were too ahead of their time. 95% of Western anime/game nerds did not know what a "visual novel" was back in 2005.

>>4538950
Ah, it's a shame really. If they were still around I'd buy from them now that I'm all the wiser.

I'm pretty sure most of the people bitching about the lack of physical copies are full of shit and still pirate Jast games.

>>4538953
The only title that I would buy is Ever17.
Phantom of Inferno can fuck off with that shit DVDPG.

>>4538948
If they don't they are doing it wrong.

>>4538944
If it's cheap, sure, I buy eroge and doujins on dlsite all the time, but I never go over $15, maybe $20 if it's something that seems really interesting.

MG charges nearly the price of a real copy, only it's not one. That's a little backwards. Buyfags like holding their product, it's the same reason I enjoy buying figurines of a character I like over downloading high res images of them for free.

>>4538957
I'm a proud owner of Amusement Park. I got it some years ago and it was a bitch to navigate. Also, no hentai, what the hell?

>>4538955
JAST just has shit titles.

>>4538968
Oh shut up, Jast was our daily bread and protector god back in the days when OGTH was a beta and nearly no one knew about ATLAS.

>>4538968
They still have a few worth playing. If you pirated those you are a hypocrite.

>>4538974
You don't exactly need a translator to play through a mindless sex romp, which makes up the brunt of their titles.

It does not cost money to make hard copies. It costs less than a dollar to print and burn a CD, and make a card for a DVD case, even in small quantities.

>>4538981
Holy crap I had never heard the word "brunt" until reading this post, but I looked it up and it's a real word. Learn something new every day!

>>4538974
but right now thy're only blocking Nitro+ releases, thanks to the stupid partnership

>>4538981
Following your example I could as well download the CG and fap to that then.

>>4538987
Then you're missing the B list actresses making fake sex noises, which can be an even bigger turn on than the images themselves if they're good enough.

All this hate needs to be funneled at the Japanese companies who hate you anyways.

It's a privilege that you even get a chance to play their games so you guys should be grateful.

>>4538986
If they release muramasa or hello world or gekkou I will gladly pay for it but sadly that isn't the case.

>>4538986
Because god forbid them to be a company trying to make deals with other companies ?
And it was the translators' choice to stop, they could've just gone underground and released a full patch using indirect channels you know.

I hope the new Da Capo game is DC II. I remember hearing something about them releasing Plus Communication, which seems like a waste.

>>4538984
I'm having a 2 for 1 sale right now. Any two titles you want for $30 + shipping. I only except PayPal.

>>4538986
Oh come on, Kikogugai or whatever that game's title is got released didn't it?

>>4539018
And no voice being the reason JAST is not picking it up.
It is kind of stupid that they rather release shitty title like PGSW instead of alicesoft titles because of this policy.

>whaaaaaaa pirates are the reason we're failing
Fuck that. I refuse to pay 50+ dollars for a game that can't even have a professional editor go back and fix all the grammar and spelling problems.

I haven't played their shitty version of Higurashi and I don't intend to.

>>4539029
But alicesoft games have voices?
Only rance series doesn't...

>>4539033
You mean 50 Euros, that is about 75 dollars.

>>4539033
download the editorashi script
fixes many things

>>4539041
It shouldn't be necessary.

>>4539033
That translator only asked that more people buy their games.

Saying that pirates caused them to fail is shortsighted since most pirates wouldn't have gotten the game if they couldn't pirate it.

So no one actually gives a fuck about the titles he mentioned that they gonna release? Or that thing with the rumored company? (Probably Key)
Arguing over piracy is pointless, and is nothing new (It's not going to change anything anyway).
Am I the only one who actually appreciates to know what their future releases going to be?

>>4539066
I'll by a game from them with they lower their prices.

>>4539092
What would be the point of getting Key titles ? More than half have already been fantranslated.

>>4539092
I'm pretty sure all the releases were already announced or confirmed through email. And the rest of it is just possibilities.

>I'll by a game from them with they lower their prices.
>by
>with

>>4539108
Don't ask me. That's what it says.
>>4539111
No. That BaseSon game is entirely freshly announced. The Da Capo game is new information too, since according to their latest bits they dropped Da Capo I.F, and that was the only DC game they were rumored to have. Now we know however that they'll be working on a different Da Capo game. Also I'm pretty excited to hear it from him that they are going to move on Dear Drops soon after it's released.

I'm sure more than half the people with using the excuse they won't buy because of physical copy are just piratefags looking for justification (shitty editing/quality control would be a better one anyway). Get with the times, people, physical distribution is slowly being edged out - and really, even in most collector's edition shit you barely get anything that's really worth while (I'd know, was stupid enough to buy that $100+ Fallout 3 one). All my physical copies either just sit in boxes and gather dust. I often have to download a pirate copy because can't even find the original, or the disc is scratch or some stupid shit like that. And I don't know about you guys, but I buy games not for the sake of ownership itself, but more as an investment towards the developers.

>>4539166
I have no problem with downloadable content. My problem is purely pricing.

>>4538628
I'd buy them if they had multiplayer and I could play them for 100+. I can't so it's a waste of money.

>>4539146
That BaseSon game isn't confirmed though, it's just a possibility.

>that was the only DC game they were rumored to have
I don't think that's true. I remember hearing stuff about DC II (even something about it being released this summer) and PC. Either way it was obvious that they would release more Da Capo games.

Support "professional" translations which are going to stop superior fan translations? Fuck no.

Buyfags are the cancer killing 4chan. Seriously, fuck off and die, you shitty basement dwellers. Don't support this shit, let American industry die, it's all run by fags that have power levels just slightly higher than you, and I know you want to buy their shit to make imaginary progress toward some subconscious desire to be in their shoes. Let's face it, you people would give your dicks to be a blogrunner for a shitty site like Anime News Network, you have no shame, just feelings of depravity. Well-placed feelings.

MangaGamer translated shitty games, therefore they do not get my money. I wouldn't even pirate that tripe. I'm also not shelling out money for something that has no work put into it, like the JAST USA. Fuck those fags.

Take a seriously good, large & virgin novel, translate it, and MAYBE I will buy it just because it's so good I want a piece of it as a collector's item. Otherwise, suck a dick.

>>4539221
Which fan translations did they stop? Soul Link went from patch to commercial, Higurashi was allowed to continue, although obviously they'll take a lot longer, while MangaGamer already finished. Is there anything else? I don't think they stepped on anybodies toes, unlike another company...

They are fools to try to bring visual novels over to the western world.

>>4539228
>Otherwise, suck a dick.


Please do so warmly.

If you use something that someone made it stands to reason that you should pay

>>4539396
but doesnt stand to reason I should pay someone else

>>4538745
I'd buy an all-ages VN or game. For example I bought Planetarian, but living in the UK the prospect of a traceable transaction for a product of questionable legality is probably out of the question.

I can't buy it in the first place.
Hentai is illegal in my country.
Thanks a lot feminists!

Hahahaha, you guys wouldn't buy anything no matter what, you would make excuses and excuses forever, mangagamer will fail and all of you will sit around complaining about how nobody gives you the shit you want for free.

All you guys complain that there are no physical copies, I bet you bought physical copies from Japan of all the games you pirate right? Yeah.

I will enjoy your rage tears when nobody offers you translated porn for free.

>>4539653
Nobody offers us translated porn for free now either way/

>>4539108
>What would be the point of getting Key titles ? More than half have already been fantranslated.

Air and Littler Busters likely won't be completed for years at their fan translation rate. Those who wouldn't know about a fan translation of the game would buy Kanon and especially Clannad. They also have Rewrite coming up.

>>4539731
More importantly, getting Key involved would likely encourage other companies to get involved, since Key is one of the market leaders in Japan.

>MangaGamer
>They shall mustervate or become lily.

No. Just no.

>>4539932

We all know their translations aren't anything like that anymore.