/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>45178017
I was looking at pre-2020 posts and it made me want to cry

why did covid and vtubbers have to kill the best board? we had everythong, we kept our culture up for so long, only for it to be vanished

Sleep tight /jp/

>>45178205
Think about this realistically here, even if Meidos for some reason, decided to banish all the Vtuber/idolfag/general threads. It won't miraculously turn this board to what it were back then. Ultimately, they would've only just pissed off an audience who were posting on a daily basis.

As much as I hate them with a burning passion, I don't think removing them would do anything good by itself. The only way I can see that.

>>45178205
Think about this realistically here, even if Meidos for some reason, decided to banish all the Vtuber/idolfag/general threads. It won't miraculously turn this board to what it were back then. Ultimately, they would've only just pissed off an audience who were posting on a daily basis.

As much as I hate them with a burning passion, I don't think removing them would do anything good by itself

>>45178205
it all went downhill after moot's departure

>>45178017
2:00 AM
>>45178205
I was looking through archives of an imageboard i loved a lot but then redditors came in droves and killed it.

>>45178459
It would slow down the board a fuckload, which would help a lot.

>>45178205
/jp/ was already dying long before then. That thread even existed for years prior to whenever redditors raided then and then the catalog, so it's not like anything would have changed if it never existed on /jp/ in the first place.
Those very same 500+ retards would have just spammed making threads on /a/, then get moved to /jp/, and then start doing the same shit on /jp/ at an even higher frequency to spite mods. It'd be like that time in... 2018? 2019? Where some scriptkiddy literally wiped the board in a minute because he probably got banned from some idol general, but daily by hundreds of different people.

this discussion would probably be good to have in this general:
>>44870108

>>45180022
Please go away.

>>45180038
other imageboards are the only hope for the future

>>45180022
Since when did warosu archive 5ch posts?

>>45180120
not just about archiving, about the general sentiments that this post made about boards in general: >>45178205

>>45180144
So what does that thread have to do with anons complaining about /jp/? Please explain in great detail so I can laugh at you.

>>45180004
That's true, most of the traffic comes from General threads, but then again, pissing off majority of the audience for the sake of making a board's traffic slow, isn't really ideal. Personally I think there should be a sperate board for them and their General threads. call it Otaku Culture/General?

>>45179993
WHATA FUCK MAN xD i just fall of my chair kuz i couldn't and i CAN'T stop laugh

>>45180022
You're part of the problem mate.

>>45178205
I relate to this sentiment, but I still stand by this being the best board by far on this site. While the board is certainly losing itself, enough people hold on to what we had in the past such that I honestly wouldn't fully agree it all vanished.

>>45180335
>Personally I think there should be a sperate board for them and their General threads.
I like this idea. Though from what I recall, most of the non idol/vtuber generals aren't particularly faster than the rest of the board, so I'm not sure what to think of lumping them all together. Still think it would be better than what we have right now, though.

>>45179993
Man, I miss Flanfly threads.

>>45181656
>I still stand by this being the best board by far on this site. While the board is certainly losing itself, enough people hold on to what we had in the past such that I honestly wouldn't fully agree it all vanished.
I agree with this. There are still people trying to keep the old spirit alive even with things as they are now. It's too early to cry over the board being dead as long as there are people who still try to keep the traditions alive. That being said, I hope warosu comes back soon. I always worry there'll be a day when it doesn't come back online.

remember to donate

>>45181845
>I always worry there'll be a day when it doesn't come back online.
It's the premiere /vt/ archive so it'll never die. Hard pill to swallow, but thems the breaks.

>>45180335
>You're part of the problem
Do you think all generals are a problem?
I am genuinely asking, as this is a common sentiment I have seen across the site. That thread you replied to isn't a bad thread to me; there's no shitflinging, name/personality fagging, off topic posting, it's just discussion about image and textboards. Do you think any general should be purged off /jp/?

>>45181935
>Hard pill to swallow
Well if it helps keep it maintained I don't care about the means. There's a lot of shit on there that would be pretty sad to lose and board archives have been notoriously unreliable in the past, many of them can't keep up with the constantly growing scale and end up abandoning boards, encounter a problem and lose old shit, or just unceremoniously go offline one day and are never heard from again.

I remember a couple of years ago one of the biggest /a/ archives had some kind of problem and they lost a ton of shit that was like pre-2014 or something like that. Archived.moe doesn't even have a search function anymore. Warosu's pretty much the best we've got for /jp/ so if anything happened to it it'd be catastrophic for the board's history. I imagine it's a pretty thankless job but sites like it are really important.

>>45178205
No one is stopping you from posting your Clownpiece fart threads or whatever.

>>45181991
Not that anon but it's less of anything to do with generals and moreso that you're implying the best way to deal with a board is by looking to other options and splinter entirely, which is a logic that will get you laughed at by default on any website. If it's right or wrong isn't the point, you just shouldn't say it, and if you do you should always expect that reaction. The slippery slope of "just don't engage/leave the situation" that our teachers taught us is a wild ride, for if everyone backed down and left their place eventually there'll be nowhere left. Not to say that's what you're saying or your ideology but to most that will simply be how it is seen, at least to some degree anyways?

Also while I'm butting in I'll also say that my own feelings on generals are they're fine until they're not. No other type of thread has a tendency to just become a back-room for some discord or become a cult of personality because no other type of thread is built to be repeating.

>>45182163
Eh, that anon that linked the thread was trying to provide a place to discuss it. I was mostly talking about that.

I *understand* about the tendency of generals to turn sour, however that should not be an argument against a general when you don't even know its culture. Small anonymous communities tend to promote inter recognition between posters, blurring the line and creating potential for drama, but that's not exclusive of generals. True anonymity exists only in a place like 2000s /b/, where the sheer amount of posts and copypasta made it impossible to identify posters. But in places like modern /jp/, even if you leave generals you will still come to recognize posters. See the drama at the mug threads for example.
Obviously not everyone cares about trying to recognize posters, but the same can be said of a general.
I was more asking if you'd consider generals to be against the spirit of /jp/ (more specifically old /jp/ or whichever time you considered it "good").

>>45181991
>there's no shitflinging, name/personality fagging, off topic posting,
yet

all generals devolve into that sooner or later, look at /07/th expansion, its completely destroyed, something that used to hit bump limit 2 times a day now hits it once a week

>>45178205
Haven't seen Gachiroll threads in years, months since the last girugamesh/japanese bird thread. It's fucking over.

>>45178017
It feels like this maintenance has lasted longer than they usually do. Hopefully it'll be back soon and everything's okay.

>>45181656
>Flanfly
Same, didn't the guy ritual posting them get banned or did he just stop? If he was banned then was it for posting the Flan or something else?
>>45182163
>>45182664
This is just what I think so take with a grain of salt.
Generals have a habit of boiling down into a cesspit, but that's more a case of lasting long in general as more time = more chances for stuff to fuck it all up. Look at the jigsaw puzzle thread, it was comfy until it got trolls and it wasn't, now it's desecrated ground for the foreseeable future. Ran threads have problems for a different reason, one dedicated shitposter dumping his brand of crap until the thread is abandoned and falls off, and he's been doing this for y e a r s. /egg/ used to be good about a year or two ago when people talked about the games they played and didn't exist the board 24/7, then it fell into maintainer/namefag drama with trolls going through like a revolving door and it's a fast thread as a result. The latest one I think is the gaming thread, while it's alright now sans a few spergouts(I think the regulars thinned out though), it has the potential to turn into a shitshow drama-fest since it's up all the time.
As for what to do about it—if we should—I think the solution is to make them take a damn break every once in a while. At some point your thread has fuck all to talk about because you exhausted it's niche. It either has to be bumped regularly to keep it afloat, or becomes a breeding ground for shitposters which nosedives thread culture with each successive bread. Lay off until there's some news, update, happening, or just been a while to start the thread back up.

For board culture; poor moderation is an issue but that's not a complete excuse for why we don't have our bits of levity, but it is a serious indicator of board health. The responsibility of board health ultimately comes down to the poster, as without them there would be no board. If you are missing a particular thread and it's not on the catalogue, then post it. Start a japanese bird thread, or gachi thread, or even Tenshi eating a corndog if that's what you want to see, yet it will only get worse with apathy. Leave the door open and shitstirs create the license to creep in and gaslight you with "this has never been a thing newfag" and push you out of your own thread because you wanted to bring back better times or try to preserve what we do have. You can see this with calling out greentext. Greentext isn't bad in of itself and while a misuse of the quote function it has it's times and places, just read the room. The reason we call it out is because greentext is typically the hallmark of the lowest common denominator of poor quality posters, and discouraging that behavior along with telling them to get out or lurk moar is good gatekeeping practice: Keine's lessons aren't hard to follow.
Unfortunately they push back twice as hard because they know they'll get a reaction out of you and can derail the thread, ironically or not it's still trolling. This leaves it to the moderators to clean up obvious trolls and send them back to /b/… unfortunately good Meido is extinct and this leads back to my first point of poor moderation: it's not the sole cause but is a big indicator for things to come. Poor janitors means your reports do nothing and means you can't do anything, then people stop reporting all together which then leads what decent janitors there are to moderate a whole board by hand. What I really wish for is if visible bans and sage were back. Nobody knows how to sage anymore and it's anyone's guess why posts get removed (was it the user or a janitor and for why?).
Regardless it's not all doom and gloom. We have OC and good threads still, you just have to dig a little and be of good cheer.

>>45181656
>aren't particularily faster than the rest of the board
fuck kinda jp are you browsing
the vtard generals hit bump limit in THIRTY MINUTES and then make 5 threads immediately afterwards until the janny comes to clean it up
it is one of the fastest threads on THE ENTIRE SITE
and the idolshitters keep splitting into more and more and more generals clogging the board

>>45186462
ban vtrash from being posted outside /vt/ and make a celebrity board for the idolfags (this would fix e-celebs being talked in other boards too), that would fix a lot of issues with current /jp/ (though it wont bring the good users that left back)

>>45186466
there are a lot of boards that would benefit from an eceleb gr15 quarantine
doesnt even have to apply to vtubers specifically, just ecelebs in general

>>45184670
>What I really wish for is if visible bans and sage were back. Nobody knows how to sage anymore
Visible sage got removed because people were treating it like a Reddit downvote button. Polite sage doesn't need to be marked, and you could argue it even runs counter to it.
I wouldn't mind bringing back visible bans for most egregious shitposting, though. Technically 4bans serves as a substitute, but it's not the same.

>>45186605
It would also be really convenient to prevent the vtumor jannies from shitting on people they disagree with. Right now they're more or less totally unaccountable and have banned people for bad reasons, and evade the appeal process. Having the post they got banned for be visible would at the very least give a public record of who's been a fucktard and dictating what's on-topic and what's not.

>>45186462
There's like 4 vtard threads on this board, probably more since I don't know what a stealth one looks like.
It's a huge fucking problem, but it's just the horroraifu one that spams shit and should be ritually executed in front of all of their families, but that's really it. Anon's right when he says that the rest are pretty slow, I just looked at the actual virtual youtuber thread and it's stayed up for over 30 days which is semi-usual old-/jp/ fare which I can't find particularly upsetting anymore. But like with all things it just comes down to meido being a shit and protecting them.
>>45186605
Isn't 4bans dead?

>>45184670
>the solution is to make them take a damn break every once in a while.
Agreed strongly. The boobhu threads have basically turned into boring generals; instead of being those fun little things that get made every few weeks or so.
I also remember some anons, understandably, trying to turn those "draw your favourite 2hu on paper/with your non-dominant hand" into generals to get more people involved. But the whole point is that those threads are fun specifically because they're spontaneous and appear long after you've forgotten about them.

>>45187274
>it's just the horroraifu one that spams shit and should be ritually executed in front of all of their families, but that's really it. Anon's right when he says that the rest are pretty slow, I just looked at the actual virtual youtuber thread and it's stayed up for over 30 days which is semi-usual old-/jp/ fare which I can't find particularly upsetting anymore. But like with all things it just comes down to meido being a shit and protecting them.
I really don't mind a single Vtuber general thread taking place, but like you said, the hol*live ones are extremely horrendous, they treat the site as some sort of a chat room, hitting the bump limit in matter of minutes, they are the most fastest threads on the whole damn fucking site!

The mods forced them on the board with zero consideration for the original posters. Since they are technically on-topic and they have the mod's backing, they start acting smug and believe they now own the place, talking shit about the original board topics, the posters and culture. One of them, specifically an Idolfag, not too long ago spammed the whole board to spite 2hu threads. And he still baitposts on some threads even up to this day, the same goes for the MMD faggot who keeps posting his crap as well, though on a less scale. Still, he's been doing it for years and its a wonder they aren't forced off of the board.

>>45187274
>Isn't 4bans dead?
Their domain is still dead, but the site can be reached with the IP.
http://185.10.68.107:1776/?com=&board=%2Fjp%2F&rule=

>>45187652
>The mods forced them on the board with zero consideration for the original posters.
The original posters left /jp/ long before vtubers were even a thing.

>>45187292
The hagthread was a pretty fun run before that ran guy showed up. Didn't really need two threads, but it was fun all the while.

>>45186462
You misunderstand. I said the NON vtuber/idol generals go at paces closer to everything else. Those obviously stick out like a sore thumb

>>45186466
>make a celebrity board for the idolfags (this would fix e-celebs being talked in other boards too)
I like that idea.

>>45186466
I think a celebrity board is a fantastic idea, it may be good for the entire site in general.

>>45188617
It is quite possibly the worst possible board to every have on this website in nearly every single regard. Maybe if it was before 2016, but all that'd happen is lawsuit after lawsuit nowadays, or it'd be 2016 all over again.

Anyone who thinks its a good idea should think before they post.