/jp/ - Otaku Culture

why are you learning japanese?

fuck off piece of shit

wowee the yen is down to 66 cents per 100

Why is he no longer using his trip?

>>45106738
got tired of being filtered

>>45106365
Previous thread: >>45091666

https://twitter.com/ibubu_2Quad/status/1718909096618057909

lets fucking gooooo

comfy playing yoshis island reading all the text boxes

happy halloween!

曲s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ukvOmHIZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5-yWTQtyjA

those songs are terrible

;__;

>>45106989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7WytLM2KvY

>>45107073
thought this gay shit was over

tf is going on in Warabi guys

i always play T in cs2

bros help me with radicals... anki doesn't help with long compound words and words with similar kanji...

>>45106740

>>45107353
read more

it's early into the morning. why haven't you finished your anki already?

is this our 17cad? i dont think it is because he's not using japanese
>>>/v/655924787
>>>/v/655924787

dame...

>>45107377
I know it's meme advicce but sometimes I can identify words within compound words... does it really go away if I keep reading?

>>45107213
I heard some hype about “Counter-Strike 2”. I downloaded the current “Counter-Strike”, so I can be prepared for the new release. What appealed to me most was the name.

I went head first and started my first game. I didn’t know much about it, except that I knew my mission: to Counter the Strike. I learned quickly that I was on a team of Counter-Terrorists who’s job was to prevent the Strike of the Terrorists. I told my team “I’ll be the guy that defuses the bomb”. I bought a Defuse Kit every single round, and waited for my chance to counter the strike.

On Round 15, I waited on the “A Site”, and after the Terrorists planted the bomb, my fellow Counter-Terrorists eliminated them and I had my opportunity: I entered the code to defuse the bomb and we won the round! That was the biggest adrenaline rush I’ve ever had in gaming. The announcer said “Bomb defused. Counter-terrorists win”! I did it! My team erupted and chanted, “YOU COUNTERED THE STRIKE”. That solidified my call to the duty, I was ready to counter any strike that came my way.

But what happened next left me appalled. All of the sudden I was one of the Terrorists!?!? Apparently I was expected to Strike now!? I was so confused. This is not what I signed up for. I was in a full-blown panic attack, I could barely make out the words to my team, but I was so certain of my purpose. I yelled, “THERES NO WAY IM STRIKING”. To my surprise, it went unanswered.

I decided to be the bigger man. I was not going to compromise. I thought maybe this was a test (it was not). I took my Glock and aimed it at my “fellow” Terrorists and shot them. I WAS SUSPENDED FROM THE GAME. Excuse me?????? I was COUNTERING the FUCKING STRIKE.

I don’t know what’s going on. I had to make sure I didn’t download “Strike” by mistake. Someone please help me understand

>>45107465
yes

>>45107377
>>45107507
arrogant noob shitter

turn on your monitor

>>45107409
https://streamable.com/5csobd

>>45107530
what should I do then... pls...

>>45107564
watch raw anime

>>45107541
pass n6

>>45107564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSxYzXZCrE
watch pekora

you just know these readers are all clowns like mae ni guy real pathetic

>>45107564

>>45107353
It does though

https://streamable.com/ki3eap
my fluent oshi has a reading aversion

>>45107586
got any ez anime without subs

I googled my own question and leddit said I should read more too so I'll do that
>>45107590
yes but I fail them sometimes, feels like a 50/50.
>>45107623
already watched half of these

suzukaze aoba... hnnnnnngngng

>>45107659
lmeant for >>45107586

its time to revive ganbaruzoi posting

>>45107623
DNAngel is pretty easy, but it’s also for women

>>45106989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKPeENn9C_Y

>>45107738
Terrible mix, horrible mic quality, singing is atrocious on top of being extremely fixed, composition is bad, production is nonsensical in a few places
2/10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiQrbaaGkjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyuewcrdNJU

so many 曲s today

>>45107851
>so many くだらない曲s today

>>45107963
dekinai can't understand the lyrics

https://streamable.com/u05kt2

too real

>>45106376
>As a beginner, in half an hour, I can read 3700 words.
>In Anki, I can only review 500 words in half an hour.
you're giving the anti anki brigade a bad reputation by saying shit like this. the comparison is wrong because the majority of those 3700 words are going to be stuff like これ, それ, 事, 言う, while in anki it's all going to be some crazy shit like 今日日, 馳せる, 尖ってる, 神経系.
that's because anki specifically aims to give you words you're about to forget, eliminating unnecessary reps. and that means the density of learning per word is like 10s of times higher than when reading regular texts. so it's not 3700 vs 500, more like 3700 vs 5000.

>anki specifically aims to give you words you're about to forget
lol

https://youtu.be/7bRrZFfy-tM

What is akira's stance on anki?

>>45108016
>t-the songs good because of the lyrics

>>45108164
>that's because anki specifically aims to give you words you're about to forget,
in other words it will never ever get easier no matter how good you get at japanese as long as you add new cards

a lot of people don't know this but anki is the #3 cause of suicide among japanese learners after denied work visa applications and failed N1 exams

>>45108164
>crazy shit like 今日日, 馳せる, 尖ってる, 神経系.
kek

>>45108337
you forgot about jet applicants

suzukaze aoba desu
yorosiku onegaisimasu
suzukaze aoba desu
yorosiku onegaisimasu

I don't want to do anki today

aocchi a cute

>>45108337
no it gets easier because you become able to do the same amount of new cards in less time

repeatedly seeing shit you havent acquired using flashcards wont make you acquire it

>>45108464
reviews become infinitely long given infinite time adding the same number of cards per day.
it's maths.

>>45059120
what do you know, today I was only doing it at 5 am and the day changed in the middle of my reps. time to set it to 6 am

>>45108507
You acquire language one way and one way only, through comprehensible input. So long as you understand what you're reading, you'll acquire acquire the word through repetition in Anki.

>>45107797
ok beethoven, lmao

>>45108565
not true it has to be compelling

>>45108582
Your Anki card is as compelling as the source material you mined it from.

>>45108601
no you can't separate it from the source and put it in a sterile jumbled environment of tard cards and get the same feeling

my favorite was hifumi

very respectable

we might not agree on the usefulness of anki but im sure we all agree that if theres a sentence on the front you arent learning the word

>individual word cards
>lacking context completely
>sentence cards
>you start to remember the word from seeing the start of the sentence that has nothing to do with the word you're supposed to learn and you don't read the sentence anyway

anki is stupid

very sad that the card discussion didn't die and was brought into this thread

card captor sakura

too bad yall playin cardcaptors, lmao

amogus

How well does chat gpt do at creating comprehensible japanese sentances? Anyone using AI to study?

>>45106365
what's his tax policy

gpt-4 is pretty good
like humans, it is prone to mistakes

>>45108621
uh yes you can? what, are you trying to have a religious experience with your media?

>>45108654
agreed and i'm pro-anki

>>45108840
yup

do you read a single 1.5 million character vinnie for weeks straight or split your attention between multiple stories?

>>45108857
>do you read
no

>>45108857
i take the text and put them all in my tard card deck so i can skip reading them

>>45108857
Why do you keep asking this?

onki users tend to have acquired less than 50% of their decks but it helps them read out loud japanese they dont know so they like it

>>45108946
whitenoisers tend to acquire 0 like gambs

and thus nobody ever knew japanese

anki is good for learning to write

>>45108968
only non acquiring drones think no cards = whitenoise but clearly if they didnt have some utterly retarded belief they wouldnt be doing idiot cards in the first place

you dont japanese
no you dont know japanese
no in fact it is you who doesnt know japanese
actually no it is you who doesnt know japanese
thats something someone who doesnt know japanese would say
you would think that if you didnt know japanese
(neither side has spoken the language more than an hour total)

Anti-anki tards should stream themselves reading a vinnie to show their skills.

you dont know nihongo like i know nihongo no

anki tards should get let

>>45109003
only whitenoisers believe that by not memorizing vocab, they're somehow internalizing it better than the people who make an active effort to retain what they see

laid lol

>>45108991
true true

>whitenoiser can't spell laid
lol

dont make cards but dont use yomichan
feel like looking words up in a physical dictionary is best of both worlds

yeah that's what jamal said

This also don't use cure dolly use dictionary of basic Japanese grammar instead.

jamal said cure dolly knows japanese

>>45109059
you can't use "but" there, you didn't contrast anything

steve kaufmann also said read real books and not virtual ones

jamal said steve kaufmann sux

>>45109050
i used predictive text

steve kauffman's personal pronouns are 僕 and 僕ら

>>45109097
whitenoisers use yomichan to mouse over a word they dont know get the reading and move on so its contrasting anki drones and whitenoisers

>>45109033
you only acquire in the wild

you wont acquire a word you dont know by seeing it on a flashcard even if you rep it a million times

cramming an unacquired word does nothing to improve your ability to acquire it in the wild

anki might help you retain a word you have acquired but if your deck only consists of acquired words then your vocab would grow at the same rate as it would without anki (because anki does nothing to speed up acquisition as explained above)

most anki users boast of a higher learning rate so their decks must contain a large amount of unacquired japanese

looking up words is whitenoising now according to drones

>>45109139
o i c

anki is fuckin great for rtk

reading a drones post is whitenoising

currently acquiring "whitenoiser"

im a brownnoiser

im confused about what whitenoising is heres what ive gathered
using the dictionary is whitenoise
watching anime is whitenoise
reading is whitenoise
so the only thing you can do is flashcards for like 5 years

next you can acquire ligma

what's ligma

if droning and whitenoising are bad then what's the best way to learn?

esl putting ligma in his english anki deck

ligma balls faggot lmaooo

>>45109207
lmao

>>45109195
any day now they will begin learning japanese for real
just 50 more cards

>>45109205
nanpa

>>45109157
>you wont acquire a word you dont know by seeing it on a flashcard even if you rep it a million times
perhaps the dumbest thing i've ever read. you realize the process of "knowing a word' is part of the process of making an anki card, right?

>>45109215
that's it? that's not enough there's gonna be too many unknowns it'll just be whitenoise

>inb4 anki makes immersion enjoyable letting you input longer and acquire more
reading unacquired japanese is equivalent to whitenoising so if whitenoisers are acquiring 0 so are anki users

>>45109219
try reading your posts

put this in your deck *unzips*

>>45109219
if this were true why do idiotcarders not know japanese?
probably because they dont come to know words through cards

instead they should come to eroge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwS5ejQ9rmA

flashcards are the real whitenoise since you can't acquire anything from them

>>45109226
dame lil bro now you're just whitenoising your own argument

>>45109242
true true

as for me anki droning is good for like 2k cards but once u go to queefmaster levels of 5 digits uve gone to far
deleted my anki deck at 6k

>>45109231
i was gonna ask you why whitenoisers don't know japanese, but then i realized the answer was obvious so i didn't kek

>>45109256

>>45109246
your idiot counterargument was addressed in the same post

you reach a certain point where the shit you are mining is shit you wont see for literal months just immersing

>>45109258
nobody whitenoises its a strawman
its called comprehensible input

>>45109265
sorry, i might've whitenoised your post because it was so stupid

>>45109215
hey im doing 50 cards a day but dont lump me in with drones
specifically did 50 a day to get done with this flashcard shit asap

anki gets even more useful later because you'll be adding thousands of words that you won't see for another year or two but are still useful

>>45109276
pretty sure nuke and gambino whitenoise

>>45109287
>cramming an unacquired word does nothing to improve your ability to acquire it in the wild

nuke and akira are two of the most prolific ankers

ta? ta?

>>45109302
nuke doesn't believe in anki bro
he openly craps on anime cards and mining

>>45109300
at my level you don't need to acquire it because it'll make sense from the context anyways
the point is to save yourself from looking in the dictionary for the reading

>>45109302
Nuke has nothing on Akira. Akira once did 700 cards in a day.

>>45109314
have you seen nukes anki cards?

i jacked off like 12 times in a day once

>>45109315
why do you need to know the reading of an unacquired word

I honestly think white noises don’t know Japanese

>>45109336
you'll understand when you reach my level

>>45109322
the dude doesn't mine, everyone knows that

>>45108908
nobody ever answers so i have to keep asking

>>45109332
came in a fat bba 6 times in a day once

>>45109310
他
the fuck?

mugen

>>45108857
as a manga reader i generally finish one thing as far as i can until i move on

>>45109341
i know what your level is and its irrelevant
you dont want to answer because you know your actions are irrational or because you are afraid of finding out they are

>>45109349
that's good. imagine how much extra time he would've wasted only to still be shit at japanese

>>45109361
i mean i already told u the answer and u still dont understand so idk what else to say

>>45108857
currently I'm inputting 4 vns, 4 animes, 6 mangas, 2 doujin games (probably stalled forever though because that's what tends to happen for after first 1-2 nuts), 1 ln, 1 ln audiobook, 4 wns

>i know what your level is and its irrelevant

>>45109368
and i already asked you why you need to know the reading of an unacquired word its a very simple question

>>45109373
u?

>>45109381
reread >>45109315

>>45109365
>imagine how much worse it would be if you didn't take the vax

>>45109389
anki is the vax

o elder brother chan

>>45109394
anki is healthy living, whitenoising is goyslop

>>45109401
anki is whitenoise

>>45109409
anki staves of dementia and whitenoise

>>45109420
only thing it staves off is progressing in japanese and life

did bunko do kanken

only autists care about kanken

>>45109387
you cant acquire the meaning separate from the reading/sound the brain wont make the connection

>>45109443
no i cant write even all the jouyous

>>45109428
well duh, why would you need to progress in japanese when you can just acquire it with anki

>>45109483
because progress to me is watching more anime not whitenoising tard cards

>>45109059
>>45109098
steve kaufmann said use a digital dictionary because physical is a waste of time https://streamable.com/yuypbr

>>45109464
yeah it will
think of it like a puzzle
when you're only missing one piece it fits in perfectly

>>45109496
whitenoising anime isn't progress anon

>>45109497
im also better at japanese than steven kaufmann so i dont care what he thinks

>>45109503
projection

>>45109503
it is because the only thing that matters is compelling content not whitenoise cards

>>45109464
it's not normal if you can't associate a visual image with a concept and remember that. you should see a doctor

the power of anki compels you

>>45109467
reminds me of that scene in azumanga daioh
i wouldnt know how to write 喫茶店 either

If you all spend as much time leaning japanese as you do shitposting here you'd be perfectly fluent by now.

>>45109520
delusional

>>45109521
compelling whitenoise you mean?

>>45109535
get good
ofc only ever watching raw anime from the very start is not very efficient but come on bro

>>45109550
for you

>>45109552
>implying whitenoisers ever get good enough to watch anime raw
lol lmao even

>>45109555
and you

>>45109572
tard carders no normal people yes

>>45109582
you mean tardnoisers, right? lol

normal people watch english dubs

bury me with my cards

i... can't understand what you're saying.... but if you write it down.... i'll zombie hover it *dies of retardation*

clow cards

now that the tard carders have been defeated once and for all let's get this thread back on topic...

i think the tardnoiser anon get absolutely destroyed tho and it wasn't even close

the fastest way to learn japanese is to create a tulpa

imagining card drones doing their reps on their 50th birthday fat and alone

I'm glad the tide's finally shifting on the opinion of people who don't like memorizing vocab.

dame that's sad i hope they wake up before it's too late

>>45109499
language is not a puzzle and japanese is not a guess the kanji puzzle parts game
acquisition in a language gets easier the more you know the language so its possible you have already acquired the words you think you will acquire later without lookups
that or you havent acquired them and are just under a delusion

besides if your level is high lookups should be so infrequent that it should barely make a difference

>>45109523
that has nothing to do with my post. im saying you cant acquire a word in kanji from context if its reading/sound is being supplied by your memory in that moment of resolution. you also need the phonetic/aural component to be provided to you as part of your input for acquisition


an easy way to check for acquisition is to see if the words ever aurally find their way into your head in an appropriate context or naturally appear in your active vocabulary. that wont happen with the words you subject to this method because you have butchered the acquisition experience by divorcing the reading/sound from the context

*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP*
oh sorry i was just simulating the average whitenoisers jap session
carry on with your discussion

人と接する概念自体が疎遠になってる中、現実逃避の一手として日本語を学ぶことにした。楽しめるメディアの幅が広がるけどそれだけだ。僕はキモヲタのまんまで、決して人に愛される日が訪れないだろう。それは日本人が相手なら尚更だ。畜生オオオオ

i think whitenoisers actually have a fair point. think about it, why learn japanese when you can just look at the pretty pictures

>>45109665
my average japanese session involves at least one native japanese person who responds in ways that prove that what i said meant exactly what i meant to say

look how the drones keep trying to keep this discussion going wasting everyone's time after they got defeated desperately hoping it will justify their existence

Why do some of my mnemonics work perfectly just from remembering them once an others don't?

>>45109680
>アノンくん、日本語上手だね
>a-arigatou gozaimuch (dame wth did he just say to me?)

>>45109690
I personally got bored of seeing the back and forth 30 minutes ago, but I like that white noisers don't get a free pass to be idiots in the thread nowadays.

>>45109695
whatever helps you sleep at night bro

>hijacks a live news cast about hostage situation while wearing a blackface
Dare I say, based?

@bunko what are your go-to skypech openers? onegay shimasu

>>45109711
i sleep well knowing much people laugh about you behind your back (politely of course)

i seriously cant believe there are people dumb enough to believe they will have an acquisition moment while staring at chinese symbols in a book and recalling the pronunciations from their idiot card reps

Can the non-Anki people just leave the thread? Nobody likes you. Hell, even the guide disagrees with you. Go away, please.

>>45109715
〇〇歳の〇〇在住〇〇人、男ですがよかったら話しませんか？
but honestly i usually was the one making the 募集s

>>45109638
nah it slows you down. forcing my tulpa is eating into my immersion time. i spend 8 hours of djt, 2 hours immersing and 1 hour forcing. it's impossible to balance

i'm surprised idiot noisers even recognize that the symbols are chinese
i just assumed they whitenoise which language they're learning too

>>45109742
lol

>>45109720
damn my gf is laughing behind my back about my japanese

https://streamable.com/gaqauy

we already proved that tard cards are white noise

>>45109749
nah she doesn't mind. she probably thinks you not knowing japanese is a turn-on

the tard carder paradox of pretending to know japanese while whitenoising flash cards so they don't forget it

>>45109740
angato

uh bro i think you were whitenoising again
you didn't prove crap lol

>>45109657
>language is not a puzzle and japanese is not a guess the kanji puzzle parts game
it is because language is a process of forming chunks and forming neural pathways to process them. you can see each neural pathways as a piece of the puzzle. when you have enough of them it becomes very easy to put things together and fill in the small gaps.
>besides if your level is high lookups should be so infrequent that it should barely make a difference
that depends on what you're reading. you can go days without finding a new word, but if you read something on a new topic then suddenly you'll come across a bunch of new words.

imagining the spotty guy behind the monitor whos only achievement in life is that he has 12k idiot cards

makopi must have enjoyed curb stomping flash tard morons on the quizzes. nothing beats humiliating losers at the very thing they are obsessed about and reminding them of their place

your psots are whitenoise just like your flashcards

the tard noiser paradox is that of a serpent that eats itself. he does not know why he doesn't remember the words he swears he's seen before, yet he continues to hover over them like they were brand new
truly amazing

>>45109782
yep lol

kachite? kachite?

>>45109764
or maybe im better than you think
>>45109773
btfo
ワンダウン

i think white noisers are smart. they figured out that pretending to know japanese is better than knowing it

>>45109801
tbf i thought you didn't know any japanese, so yeah you might be right

>>45109727
there's no one acquisition moment, it's a sum of moments that can include connections built when doing flashcards

yooooooooooooooooo this raw anime is legit
>what happened in it?
how the hell should i know?

Wow, this entire fucking thread is whitenoise. You fuckers probably don't know a single bit of functional japanese.

日本語モード突入のお知らせですかも

>>45109819
based
>>45109727
BTFO

>>45109825
i've been whitenoising my whole life, of course i don't know any functional japanese

can't believe tardnoisers got wrangled today. matt was right

アニメ以外のリスニングをしないと
台本がない何か

>>45109779
>it is because language is a process of forming chunks and forming neural pathways to process them. you can see each neural pathways as a piece of the puzzle. when you have enough of them it becomes very easy to put things together and fill in the small gaps.
yeah but they dont say that about kanji. thinking you can acquire a word just by piecing together the kanji and context without experiencing the reading/sound from the outside in the same moment of resolution is dumb and the words will fail the acquisition test for the same reason early outputting fails
>an easy way to check for acquisition is to see if the words ever aurally find their way into your head in an appropriate context or naturally appear in your active vocabulary. that wont happen with the words you subject to this method because you have butchered the acquisition experience by divorcing the reading/sound from the context

recalling implicitly confirms the word feel to your subconscious self which is very bad in this case


>>45109819
it can be a sum of moments and that sum can be over one moment in the wild but it will not include any moment spent looking at an unacquired word on a flashcard

>cramming an unacquired word does nothing to improve your ability to acquire it in the wild

>>45109873
? u dont know japanese

>>45109893
thinking you need the word in your active vocabulary is such a dumb measurement
your active vocabulary will always be a fraction of your passive vocabulary because input and output are different skillsets
and kids constantly use words they don't really understand all the time

Daily Japanese Thread?
More like Dick Jerking Thread

>>45109893
>cramming an unacquired word does nothing to improve your ability to acquire it in the wild
citation needed

>>45109638
what if i accidentally make a tulpa that uses anki

>>45109927
それはどうして言えるの

heres my anime idea
a guy gets a job at a video game company but unbeknownst to him all the other employees are cute girls

>>45109954
And the company shuts down shortly after because they can't seem to make a single good game?

>>45109940
the anti-anki guy should make a tulpa that uses anki so that he could have his arguments in his head instead of here

>>45109947
u should probably stop outputting until ur tongue acquires the ability to taste the shit thats coming out

>>45109779
forming chunks from my ass and fitting them in your mouth

>>45109962
No they shutdown because no one is reading the texts in their game they whitenoise instead.

>>45108276
Is she ever coming back, bros?

>>45109990
本当に上手いやつなら日本語で返事書いて明らかなレベルの差で勝つと思うのですが
あなたみたいな下手ぴは「楽しいからあえてレベルを謎のままにしといて泳がしておく、てへ」って言ってなぜか延々とスレで怒ってるだけ
楽しんでるかそれ？逃げてるだけでは？
俺より上手きゃ逃げる以外にかっこよく勝てるはずだぞ？

yeah not reading that

>>45109929
>thinking you need the word in your active vocabulary is such a dumb measurement
there was an "or" but let me expand on it
if the word never even pops into your head in isolation in an appropriate situation (this is only partial output by the way) or you cant make it out in most cases where its uttered in raw audio you definitely havent acquired it
thats a very fair criteria which shows the vast majority of reading heavy anki users havent acquired anything
>and kids constantly use words they don't really understand all the time
you are not a kid

>>45110027
yes right after jesus, just hold on a bit more

>>45110027
she satta'd from this yo

nobody could cure dolly

>>45110050
"'passive vocabulary' acquisition" is a recognized thing

>>45110082
i don't recognize it

>>45110047
読めない物は読まないというのはこの世の摂理上当たり前

>>45110082
you again missed the "or" unless you are saying that listening comprehension counts as active vocabulary acquisition

didnt say i couldnt read it said i didnt want to
nothing more cringe than shitty mount stupid jsl japanese

yeah speaking japanese for other guyjean is just so cringey to me

Watashi wa Anon desu :D

yeah if you can neither use it nor hear it but can only kinda tell what it means if you are given the kanji AND a context sentence you are allowed to stare at on paper for 10 seconds you have 100% not acquired anything

dont know why this is controversial but anki arguments have never been good anyways

Hi I'm playing a video game to learn nip

>>45110141
yeh true i think we can all agree

>>45110141
it's not controversial, nobody disagreed with this

If anki is bad then why do the guides in the OP recommend using them?

old habits die hard

because whitenoisers hate studying

>>45110160
yeah so by this criteria the decks of anki users contain a large amount of unacquired japanese and their cards dont speed up the rate at which this japanese is acquired thats what i said

>>45110189
>so by this criteria the decks of anki users contain a large amount of unacquired japanese
correct
>so by this criteria ... their cards dont speed up the rate at which this japanese is acquired
wrong

vlad said anki is gay case closed

>>45110189
>and their cards dont speed up
stopped reading here

>>45110189
>>45110197
once again you're assuming that acquisition is not a continuous process but a single moment, even though you've denied making that assumption. you can't completely acquire through an anki card but you can contribute to the acquisition process through an anki card

>>45110212
cope

>>45110215
no

>>45110215
this anon is correct

acquire deez

acquire foot through the ass

>acquire deez dubs
sasuga

>>45110215
this guy is incapable of nuanced thought and changing his mind
literally retarded to a futile degree

>>45110197
>wrong
the rate at which words are acquired as we define it isnt greater for anki users compared to people who get the same amount of input. you can disagree with the mechanisms all you want but cards do nothing for acquisition simply because they fail to show efficacy
>>45110215
>once again you're assuming that acquisition is not a continuous process but a single moment
how?
>you can't completely acquire through an anki card
you cant acquire even a bit as evidenced by the fact that anki makes no noticeable difference on the rate at which acquired (by the criteria) vocabulary increases
the final nail in the coffin is the fact that most not-yet-acquired words anki users have cards for perpetually remain in an unacquired state lol anki is completely useless

>>45110222
the acquisition process includes (among other things):
1) recognizing the written symbols
2) recognizing the sounds
3) recognizing the rough concept
4) forming connections in memory between the 3
if you practice any of those 4 in anki, you contribute to the acquisition process through doing anki. it's not enough to complete it because there are more necessary steps, but it does contribute to it.

>>45110279
it does not have to include 1)
>if you practice any of those 4 in anki, you contribute to the acquisition process through doing anki
the results dont show that so either your logic is incorrect or some premise of yours is not true

huh you guys are still going at it

>>45110279
you just made that up lil bro

flash tards have 0 evidence their reps make a contribution, they can only play reading quizzes or answer multiple choice questions lmao

akira is a big tardcarder and look where that got him
enough said

This is how you retards spend your Halloween? Arguing about cards?

ankitards give off major "man memorizes dictionary to win french scrabble, does not know french" vibes

>>45110279
I didn't read the argument above but I agree what with this guy is saying in this particular post

card chads post the last thing you mined

>>45110275
>the rate at which words are acquired as we define it isnt greater for anki users compared to people who get the same amount of input.
if acquisition is gradual then this doesn't matter, because "acquired as we define it" would be irrelevant.
>you cant acquire even a bit as evidenced by the fact that anki makes no noticeable difference on the rate at which acquired (by the criteria) vocabulary increases
this is a tautology if the criteria already discount any contribution that anki can make (because they only count complete acquisition, which you can't do in anki, and don't count progress towards acquisition, which you can do in anki)
>>45110313
>it does not have to include 1)
we're assuming literacy. if you can't read an erotic game, you don't now japanese as far as djt is concerned
>the results dont show that
which results? the ones that just assume away the contribution of anki?
>>45110331
which part did I make up?
>>45110351
that's just because he doesn't hover

ok heres the easiest way to show anki users have acquired jack shit that doesnt involve active vocabulary or listening

show them the word, then ask them to describe it in detail and make up multiple sentences that show its nuances. then show them some sentences where a few use it incorrectly but the rough concept still works in the context and ask them to pick the ones which sound unnatural

anki users will fail horribly on a huge chunk of their decks

how many tard cards do u have and how much do u "understand"

>>45110399
literally nobody disagrees with this. anki isn't enough for acquisition, especially of active vocabulary.

>>45110386
>we're assuming literacy. if you can't read an erotic game, you don't now japanese as far as djt is concerned
i am assuming acquisition which may or may not include literacy just like how literacy ("as far as djt is concerned") may or may not include acquisition. if you are "literate" in a language you havent acquired you dont know japanese period

every time a new post appears this sound plays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FLRHejWAo8

impressive. very nice. let's see paul allen's deck

>>45110399
nah just ask them how good their spoken japanese is

>>45110414
>literally nobody disagrees with this. anki isn't enough for acquisition, especially of active vocabulary.

watch ur tongue in the nihongod's presence

uppercaserバージョン
https://youtu.be/8HxuHgPDqRA?si=YoyKSediuctJctGF

>>45110464
kohhogoghhh

>>45110414
you keep suggesting my conclusions are weaker than my claims but if you have a method for estimating the ratio of acquired words in your deck you also have a method for tracking changes in that ratio over time and that is enough to devise a procedure for confirming the by now obvious claim that flash cards dont do shit

its just a bitter sugar pill thats it

>>45110423
full acquisition in the year 2023 includes at least the recognition of the written symbols. and I didn't say literacy implies completed acquisition, just that completed acquisition implies literacy (in the current age)
>>45110464
he said "the bulk", not "all", so it's consistent with what I said. for simple words that map to your known language well it's definitely true that you can do the bulk of the acquisition in anki because there's not much special nuance that you could only acquire from texts and not from anki. same with words that are closely conceptually related to japanese words you've already acquired: you don't need to acquire the concepts for the second time so most of the work will just be the memorization.

>>45110464
baaaased

matto did say he was the master of pretending to know japanese

>wake up
>do cards
>afterwards start consuming japanese media to find new words to make cards of
>repeat until death

>>45110505
>he said "the bulk", not "all", so it's consistent with what I said
maybe in a hundred years

>>45110508
this is someones biggest fetish and the fact that they will likely never get to see it saddens me

>>45110556
a goblin turning into flashcards?

>>45110502
your estimation method assumes the conclusion because it counts full acquisition as 1 and everything else as 0. it assumes that there's no difference in the level of acquisition of a word between someone who's already memorized its kanji+reading in anki and someone who can't tell kanji from korean alphabet. when it's obviously a wrong assumption because the first person is further along the acquisition process.

>>45110581
acquisition is an unconscious process
memorization is a conscious process

>>45110529
how do you wake up when you are still awake

crazy how flash tards went from arguing onki is the nectar of the gods to having to repeatedly kneel and admit nobody disagrees cards dont work lol

i’m gonna keep doing 30min anki 6h jap reading and make faster gains than someone at my lvl not using anki and you can’t stop me lol

onki more like off key

>>45110606
>faster gains
lol faster by what metric? you'll just end up using anki or something like what is on your anki cards to measure the effectiveness of anki.

meanwhile actual gmi peeps are out there chatting up natives and getting good at the language

>meanwhile actual gmi peeps are out there chatting up natives
woah stop right there

>>45110581
>your estimation method assumes
it doesnt because the test is as far from being of a binary nature as possible
>it assumes that there's no difference in the level of acquisition of a word between someone who's already memorized its kanji+reading in anki and someone who can't tell kanji from korean alphabet
this is a glaringly false analogy amazing how you cant tell

>>45110619
japs dont know japanese

>>45110619
why would i talk with japs? i only want to read idgaf about anything else

>>45110635
ok so first u make a claim about what is efficient for language gains.
then i tell you that you should talk to people to make gains.
then you turn around and say "noooo i don't care about gains i just want to read!!!"
then go read motherfucker, stop doing anki because of the "faster gains". keep your story straight

>>45110646
ru retarded? gains = reading gains obv since reading + output are 2 different things
youre the one who brought up smth completely unrelated lmao?

lol so much cope
>b-but the cards are helping me acquire i swear its just that i cant show how!!

yosh time to abandon my home to go to japan and get output practice

pretty sure halfway through the anti anki retard realized he had no argument lol

>>45110679
>anki tard posts english translation

anti anki guy disproved anki hours ago so i stopped reading

card autism stinks of midwit shit, wouldn't surpise me if the local christcuck is one of the noob carders

I'm just trying to work at this uniqlo dude

can't believe you IDIOTS got this thread to bump limit
while the actual good thread is still up and so close to breaking 1000 replies

lil bros gonna wish he had stopped halfway before exposing himself

>>45110719
this is so stressful

>>45110721
that thread was shit

>>45110721
that thread was the shit

>>45110719
hodokoseru

>>45106365
>Can read basic sentences
>Has "basic" vocab (clearly not enough)
>Can't actually understand anything
>Vocab doesn't seem to build itself up no matter what I do
Pain and suffering

>>45110748
reddit

>>45110719
what is this

>>45110748
its called being a lil turd lil bro

>>45110754
discard the tard cards and embark on your journey 10000 hours raw anime starting now

>>45110759
https://html5.plicy.net/GamePlay/155561

>>45110758

>>45110693
tip harder white noiser

>>45110693
well said

ourguy is streaming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo5sjHFvS2M

>>45110785
spotted the tardnoiser

crazy how george knows japanese but fails to read basic words

>>45110797
>>45110780
nice signature

I think at this rate, white noisers are the dumbest people in the thread. Even Gambs knows more than them.

hagemu

>>45110804
it's not crazy at all, he simply doesn't waste his time reading chuuni shit like you do.

instead he can understand complex topics spoken and translate and orate them in english in real-time.
something that takes years of practice and no one in this thread could ever hope to do by reading vinnies and grinding anki

>>45110767
I did :
>Immersion for about 100 hours by now
>Anki over 3 month at a regular pace (20 hours total)
>Repeated cramming (3*3 hours)
It worked, but like... very badly, I know about 1k (which is clearly way too low) words confidently and the rest is... clearly not good enough.

Ironically though, cramming was the most effective. And regular anki was the most useless. Immersion was... very iffy, I caught on lots of expression but my brain just doesn't seem to like parsing sentences because vocab has not build up.

crazy how someone can read basic words but fail at japanese
wait...

i dont do anki and i had a japanese woman pee on my face once

>>45110819
um yea i'd rather read manga than be some broke ass translator lol

>>45110819
>and grinding anki
the whitenoiser just can't help himself lol

yeah real crazy

>>45110826
>And regular anki was the most useless
Were you mining or just using premade decks?

>>45110827
majiru? majiru?

>>45110826
i said 10000 hours not 100 for a reason

>>45110827
Basic words are not enough to get you through most things in life.
Even kids know specialized word from an early age.

>>45110828
>become whitenoiser
>get pissed on
pottery

i thought katite was a basic word

>>45110831
george is a multi millionaire...

cope harder. the path your own leads you to matt, the final conclusion of anki-tarding and reading.

the george path leads to riches and bitches

we proved anki is whitenoise in this thread
>>45109242

white noise is better than brown noise (idiot card shit) iykwim

Anki is only good if you do it with japanese definitions otherwise you're installing english into your brain (and that's a bad thing)

your flashcards are gonna be brown when im done with them

>>45110876
That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Knowing the English definitions for words is not only the fastest way to understand a word's meaning, but also aids in interpretation.

>>45110864
george didnt make money from translating and neither will you

yeah guys dont plan english plant jack shit gonna work out great

>>45110876
ok listen up, uppercaser. memorizing japanese definitions won't help you acquire either.
j-j dicts are great for looking up words and getting a gist of their meaning that isn't totally inaccurate,
but c'mon when you hear a sentence you're not going to have time to think of the definition of a word ever

>>45110884
yes your interpretation is very aids

>>45110844
Premade 2k/6k. I didn't try enough to start making my own deck.
I also do a bit of kanji cramming on the side, but my visual memory is garbage. So I don't have much hope on this side of things.

>>45110850
Yeah... but I mean, if I feel like I can't even parse a sentence and find the "keywords" (conjunctions, common adverbs... basically all the grammatical words you need to know) I don't feel like I could even understand anything beyond a simple sentence. Which is something japanese doesn't like apparently.
Also the fucking all kanji sentences are troublesome.

>>45110888
>be translator
>be great
>get gigs translating for high profile companies
>build international reputation
>leverage reputation to sell beginner textbooks that anyone could've made
>become insanely rich because they sell so well

plus his japanese wife helps him make them so they are flawless unlike tae kim and dolly

>>45110600
acquisition can't be fully conscious, but it can be partially conscious.
all of your arguments consist of trying to just define shit into being true. we know that language acquisition involves committing things to memory, so if you want to claim memorization can't be used to support that, you need to provide some better evidence than just definitionally assuming its true
>>45110605
crazy how you need to misrepresent what people said in order to have any point. the only thing nobody disagrees with is that cards aren't enough to learn the language. not that they don't work
>>45110627
>it doesnt because the test is as far from being of a binary nature as possible
no, the test your proposed literally assumes that the word is in your active vocabulary and that you know nuances in its meaning. both of which are things you can't achieve in anki, which no one disagrees with. but this doesn't prove anki doesn't contribute to other parts of the learning process such as associating the sounds with the written form or with the rough concept.

either you're trying to argue that someone who does 1000 hours of input and 1000 hours of anki will be in the exact same spot as someone who only did 1000 hours of input, which is ridiculous, or you were simply exaggerating when you said "flash cards don't do shit", in which case you're welcome to now state your actual claim so that we have something to discuss over the next thread

>>45110916
sell your soul for money

>>45110916
nah dolly knows japanese more than georges wife

>>45110924
uniqlo dont pay you to write up cope cuck shit on djt

>>45110898
All you lack is time and immersion, I was once at your level. You just have to keep doing it for a long time. There's no shortcut, no panacea, just continued effort and commitment. It doesn't have to feel like work though. Try to transition to reading/watching media that you enjoy and you'll find yourself improving a lot faster. It will be difficult at first. Just don't give up.

the only nippongo 言語学習者 you should take inspiration from is jamal

>>45110924
if you cant describe what a word thats SHOWN to you means using examples then you dont even have it in your passive vocabulary lol
flash cards are delusional

>>45110981
he is a depressed faggot who simped for a roastie online daily for months just to get used as a lowly orbiter

but bro i got one 69 on the n1

>>45110924
>language acquisition involves committing things to memory,
it doesn't, language is a completely separate part of the brain.
it's like learning to ride a bike, you don't have to memorize anything. eventually your brain figures it out unconsciously and then you never "forget" (because you never memorized in the first place)

learning nippongo is like learning to drive

>>45111007
who hurt you lil bro

>>45110926
>nah dolly knows japanese more than georges wife

there are probably tmw-tards that unironically think this

i did more than 100 hours of immersion in this month alone but it seems like you are saying 100 hours of immersion like it’s a big deal

>>45111025
its true and thats why cure dolly made japanese videos for people who know japanese and george makes the watered down special ed version

>native speaker trying to teach their language
lmao

>>45111007
>roastie
don't call the queen that

>>45110926
Unironically, Dolly actually used linguistic papers and J-J grammar textbook for her lessons.
So she probably knew more about the rule than your average Japanese person, just as much as an English teacher knows more about English than any of us.

>>45110949
The issue is : adult content I appreciate is waaay beyond my reading capacities, unless I master kanji (+subtitles for audio stuff). And outside of Anime/Manga/VN + Doujins, I didn't find enough stuff to not be forced back into English by mere "necessity".

I wish I knew how I became fluent in English at just age ten sometime. (Yes, I'm not an Anglophone) Why can't I just remember ?

judging by her face her labia's probably tight

>>45110981
true true

>>45111063
>Dolly actually used linguistic papers and J-J grammar textbook for her lessons.

reminder that gambs also used linguistic papers and j-j grammar textbooks when arguing with multiple natives that he was right about the meaning of a sentence (none of them agreed with him)

poor gambino cant stop taking Ls

>>45110985
no, being able to explain the nuances of meaning in sentences that are shown to you is passive, but being able to construct sentences demonstrating different nuances is active.
but I do agree that the distinction starts to get blurry here, which illustrates the fact that passive and active knowledge overlap (which is why anki can ultimately support the acquisition of active vocabulary too, even if you only do recognition cards)
>>45111013
I only meant to say that a memory is created is either way. that's because memory is the only mechanism for storing information in the brain.
the reason you never forget is isn't because you've not memorized it intentionally. you can absolutely forget things you've learned without memorization.

can't enjoy gambs fails without him being in the thread and acting like a cunt

akira hasn't streamed or posted on reddit in 24 hours. bros I'm scared... I hope he's just busy doing core100k

Yes, I was actively searching for words on stream, and adding them to my flashcard software for study: https://files.catbox.moe/xax3q9.PNG

I am not sure why this is confusing for you. This novel is legitimately pretty hard to read

>>45111124
>but being able to construct sentences demonstrating different nuances is active.
wrong
>(which is why anki can ultimately support the acquisition
but it doesnt help with either if you look at the results which is proof its fucking pointless

gambs is the only one with the balls to stream and unlike others he isn't going to cry and stop streaming forever kek

>>45111136
you have 3 minutes to screenshot 今日日 good luck

>>45111147
this guy would see a house foundation, see that there's no completed house there and conclude that therefore building a foundation don't help with building a house

muh foudnation
my acquisition aids

Dame akira found our secrit club

>>45111156
anki sisters.... we won

that japanese learning video update craze died already, did ben make it?

grambs you lil 100 pound faggot nerd i said stay out