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>What's the Human Village's tax policy?
the full text of the constitution of the federal republic of Gensokyo (plot starts on page 27):

>>44785104
You joke, but I honestly wouldn't mind. I need more fanworks about Gensokyo economy.

>>44785070
I tried worldbuilding a few different lighter versions of the setting but I have a pathological inability to finish a single fanfic. I really find the idea that the youkai are almost completely harmless but playing roulette to try to scam humans into fearing them more interesting than them actually being threatening.

>>44785221
Yeah, I get you. I belive there was a CYOA on Touhou-Project.com that had a staged kidnapping and youkai "extermination" expedition as a main plotpoint, too bad it wasn't finshed. I really like this ritualistic or festival-like nature of youkai-human conflict, and I thought we would see more of it in printworks, but the closest we got were that kappa waterslide in fairy manga and the tengu "attacking" the ropeway during it's first launch.

I think the main problem with Touhou world building is that in "on foot" fan games like Genius of Sappheiros or Touhou New World Gensokyo feels really small and cramped. Like a farmland, or a village.

But when you play official danmaku games and fly through it it seems almost infinitely expanding, down to Patchouli library feeling like its "infinite", and every location stretches miles which touhou girls fly through at high speed.

>>44785343
One thing I think is interesting is if you have the youkai essentially domesticating themselves. They lived along closely with humans for so long, looked after the humans so the village doesn't end, and the end result is that they too changed so much they don't need to eat people anymore except for a couple maybe like the Scarlet sisters and even they don't actually kill the people they drain. But at the same time if they still have to be feared to keep existing. If humans stop fearing youkai, they vanish. And if humans aren't menaced by youkai, they also aren't going to be driven so hard towards the faiths of Gensokyo, so the gods and everyone adjacent to them are also going to suffer. People who fear for their lives of course being much more likely to pray to their deity of choice than people who think youkai are just funny little girls. And there's a bit of an element of MAD to it too, because if youkai start vanishing in a puff of disbelief, you bet they'd immediately up their game to terrorise humans into fearing them again really hard. So this would lead to a wide cross-Gensokyo conspiracy of silence where the big rule nobody dares break. Youkai and gods alike collaborate with each other to keep up appearances of humans menaced by supernatural monsters because the alternative is worse for both of them.

>>44785070
>which I thought was the whole appeal of this sort of thing.
No? Most people do only like the cute and interesting characters. The open world-building simply enforce it.
Maybe only few dedicated artists that has bothered to build more complex or detailed world-building based on Gensokyo or strictly use the canon setting, which are honestly either take too much work or very limiting and not something most people would partake on.

>>44785431
>when you play official danmaku games and fly through it it seems almost infinitely expanding
I think this is more of a graphical limitation: the characters probably circle around each other during duels, we just don't see it because that would require ZUN actually making a locale for the backgrounds and assigning camera angles, instead of just generating them and autoscrolling.
I also think Gensokyo is larger than most people think since the Garden of the Sun is supposed to be close to it's "heart".
>>44785656
That's lame, though maybe I just have different priorities.
I usually like when there's some internal logic and consistency, so unexplained differences from the source material can be distracting sometimes.

>>44785431
>>44788486
Assuming the region inside the barrier corresponds to the equivalent locations outside of it, even before getting into otherworlds, and things like the spacetime fuckery Sakuya uses to make the SDM quite literally bigger on the inside, Gensokyo should have a radius of about 53km, which is nothing to sneeze at. There's plenty of room that would likely just be empty space even with all the additions to it.
Obviously, this holds less relevance when we're talking about Otherworlds, and for those I don't think we even have clear ideas of where the realspace analogues for the physical connections would be, like the Sanzu River, or the entrance to the caves that lead to Old Hell.
Still, I do prefer the fanmade maps that try to be faithful to the real locations that things were based on.
>I usually like when there's some internal logic and consistency
NTA, but I can get where you're coming from. Touhou's stories are a little lacking, so a lot of the fun I find comes from exploring its world-building. Frankly it's surprising we didn't get the TTRPG sooner given how well the setting lends itself to that sort of thing.

>>44789033
The way real locations are located doesn't fit with what's described. You could argue about whether Youkai Mountain is in the north or the south, but the Hakurei shrine is firmly in the easternmost point of Gensokyo.
>Frankly it's surprising we didn't get the TTRPG sooner given how well the setting lends itself to that sort of thing.
Like this anon >>44785656 said, Touhou is rather limiting in terms of player freedom. It either needs a lot of thought and effort both from the designers, GM and players to work as a TTRPG setting, or it'll just be used as a base to make a setting that the GM is more capable of running. like what I'm doing with this thread lmao

>>44785343
You just reminded me of this unfinished CYOA from /tg/ about a decaying Gensokyo. Sucks that a lot of these worldbuilding focused works are never completed.
https://files.catbox.moe/8j9uhy.pdf
>>44785431
>small and cramped
Nazrin says the exact same thing while flying around in UFO. So while I think there's still some space fuckery going on, it's not noticeable to most people unless you're somewhere like Sanzu River.
Also, some fan games I've seen just make completely new locations instead of adapting what's there, which is a huge cop out even if it makes sense from a gameplay standpoint.

Gensokyo is a weird non euclidean space. It can be as small or big as it has to be. It can be HUGE on the inside while being small on the outside.

>>44789033
There have been a couple of TTRPGs for Touhou already. I think it was 3 or 4 before Fantasy Naratograph came out. The new one is just the first to have ZUN involved in some capacity. Speaking of which, is MTL anon here? I'm eagerly awaiting more rules translations.

>>44791691
As far as I'm aware, there's only been 1 that's had an English translation, which was kind of lackluster, and nothing that's had a publisher behind it like this one. As for more rules translations, MTL Anon is, in fact, here, as he is me.

I've worked most of the way through the Danmaku Rules now, which also functions mostly on a D6 pool set-up. Character sheets have a 2x3 grid for Danmaku Duels, and gameplay flows through 4 steps on each player's turn: Shot, Spell Card, Evasion, and Hit Detection.
Starting with Shot, a number of D6s are rolled equal to the Attacking Player's Attack Power, all of which place Danmaku on the Evading Player's grid, corresponding to the result (i.e. a 2 will place a Danmaku on the 2 tile, etc.) There is, theoretically, no limit to the number of Danmaku that can be placed on a tile, but after 4, I don't know of any additional benefit to having more. Spectators (characters that are "close enough" to the battle) can support a side with cover fire or protection from Danmaku in this step, though I have yet to translate the page that explains that mechanic.
In the Spell Card step, if you have Spell Card charge (think: Bombs) you can choose to use one, activating one of your Character's Spell Cards (All start with 2 different ones, though I don't yet know if it's possible to gain more) and execute its effects, or simply skip the Step.
Evasion is for the Evading side. Evasive Power seems to default to 3, which is the number of D6s rolled to evade if there's Danmaku in the tile the character is in. The check is 3+D, where D is the number of Danmaku in the tile (Meaning 4 in a tile is unavoidable barring other circumstances.) After a successful evasion, the Danmaku in the tile is cleared and the evading character is rewarded with Graze equal to the number cleared, with 5 points of Graze being capable of being turned into a Spell Card Charge. The evading character also moves to an adjacent tile (no diagonals) and may repeat Evasion Checks, with 1 less Evasive Power each time.
Finally, Hit Detection is mostly self-explanatory. If the Evading Player has even 1 Danmaku in their tile, they are hit and lose a life, with their field also being cleared of Danmaku. If they're on their last life as a result of this, they get a point of Spell Card Charge and max out their Spiritual Power to 3.
After Hit Detection, the Attacking and Evading sides switch. After both sides take a turn, the round ends, and Danmaku is reduced. 3 or more becomes 2, 2 becomes 1, and 1 remains as is. Also, both sides Evasive Power is reset to 3 if it was lower.

Notably, guidelines for creating custom Spell Cards exist in the GM's section, so presumably most custom content guidelines are in there.
If you guys are interested, once I have enough of the rules MTLed, I could make a file roughly outlining them. Granted, I would only be including the basic rules and content creation guidelines out of principle. Seeing as there's no way I know of to download the ebook file from Bookwalker, and I don't have the Amazon copy either, having proper English documentation will probably go a long way for my purposes anyway.

>>44785070
Canon should be followed to an extent otherwise it's your own work wearing another IP's skin. If making a new plot it's obviously not canon and you'll have to twist things to make it work; but, when going off the rails there should be an explanation for it no matter how shitty or handwavey. Rumia could be there because maybe fear isn't necessary after all and Youkai can subsist off of something far more accessible. The villagers could be okay with it because if she stirs up trouble she'll be quickly put in place by anyone wanting to keep the peace, be it the miko, villagers, or other Youkai. The tax policy could be lax because there is no feudal lord to pay and the kappa maintaining the roads is paid in cucumbers. Gods turn into advisors to both Humans and Youkai and answer questions, problems, and prayers in exchange for faith, ritual, and worship. A solution to the problem >>44785438 mentioned.
As long as you give a thought to correcting or covering the plot holes created by your own canon, I think it's fine since it shows you at least thought about it even if the reason is kinda half-assed. At the same time, understand that this is completely unnecessary filler for some fanworks—like pornography—where the reader could care less about the "whys", just that they can see their favorite 2hu get their pipes filled.

>>44785166
I think it's mostly very simple due to the lack of a central leadership.

I am actually curious how the fuck merchants work though considering they basically have to be trading with Youkai. I imagine that, like much of the human village, the whole thing basically runs on don't ask don't tell. Yes, everybody knows that the salt merchant is buying it straight from Youkai. But, you know, you need your salt.

>>44785343
>>44785221
Both of that is just PMISS era Gensokyo lore.

>>44792067
I agree. Canon should be followed. It's why so many Touhou doujins just feel like proto Gacha doujins.

>Even the porn
ESPECIALLY the porn. It's why we need more femdom that isn't shota.

>>44785438
>One thing I think is interesting is if you have the youkai essentially domesticating themselves.
I would say it's less "Domestication" and more "Civilizing". A very warped and poor copy of human society, but a copy nonetheless. They still murder outsiders, cause trouble, and generally act like sociopathic manchildren. They just can't touch the people that it's not okay to touch. Outsiders they can torture all they want, nobody cares.

>>44792082
For as much as SoPM, FS, and other more recent content depicts the setting as darker, the Moriya Ropeway is far from PMiSS era, as it's completed during the later chapters of WaHH (2016-2017), and likewise with the Kappa Waterslide being in the same general era. (2018).
Assuming it's an honest mistake, it's probably best if you double-check before you make remarks like that so you don't make yourself look like an unironic grimfag.

>>44792179
I was talking mostly about this.
>that had a staged kidnapping and youkai "extermination" expedition as a main plotpoint.
Which is VERY PMISS.

Not sure why you brought up the ropeway or the waterslide.

>>44792097
Be the change you want to see, anon. Draw it, or write it that's what I do

>>44792241
I have considered writing it (Can't draw).

It is funny though how all of the lore accurate doujins tend to be shota. It's why I want ZUN to come out and just canonize it all.

>>44792067
I think it depends on the porn. Doujin, images, animation, no, a visual medium probably shouldn't get too bogged down. Lewd writefagging, yes, going deep into worldbuilding is one of the things you can do. I for one have spent way too much time thinking about the consequences of youkai discovering that they can subside off stealing a certain precious bodily fluid off outsiders who end up in Gensokyo.

>>44792305
>precious bodily fluid
Lmao that reminds me of that time I posted Junko and Meiling referencing Dr. Strangelove.

Personally, I think you have to balance character interaction with worldbuilding.
Good worldbuilding is important, but doing it well is difficult and requires a lot of time to drop information in naturally. A mistake I often think I see is people explaining things that should be self-explanatory in-universe, or explained in a meta-ish way that only serves to barely conceal exposition spouting. Not that it's a major flaw, but a noticeable one once the basics are down.

>>44792213
>Not sure why you brought up the ropeway or the waterslide.
Because you specifically mentioned lore, whereas the staged kidnapping bit was from a fanwork, which obviously is not "lore" to anything canon. The only actual bits of lore there were those things mentioned.

>>44792067
>like pornography—where the reader could care less about the "whys", just that they can see their favorite 2hu get their pipes filled.
This is true but ironically even the porn could be elevated if the doujin maker actually played the games or read the manga. What this entails is better writing. This may seem unimportant but its a nice little edition to the story and more importantly there wont be any boner killing porn dialogue. It also means the situations feel more plausible which makes the porn somewhat immersive. This is made better if the hentai doujin is one of those lovey dovey, feel good vanilla stories. If you're reading a story about your favourite 'hu falling in love with a self insert then of course the story being immersive would make it that much better. Lastly it also means that the pornhus in the story actually use their powers during the sex or foreplay. Almost no artist or writer does this. Sure i could read some basic bitch story where Kaguya says shit like ''you're driving me crazy!'' and it never once occurs to her to use her powers to make her partner cum infinitely. Or i could read a story wherein she behaves and acts like an actual princess. Lots of charisma practically flowing from her as she uses her powers for the sake of lewd. She could even be cunning and manipulative in how she acts around the protagonist to get his heart. She was cunning during the events of the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter, so why not be cunning right now?
>>44792097
I dont know if we're thinking the same thing but your comments about femdom and lore accurate shota doujins reminded me of how a lot of people (artists included) just assume its always going to be maledom when it comes to touhou. Usually they also assign the touhous a generic cookie cutter ''im so shy! do you make babies when you kiss someone you like?'' personality. If we're looking at this in terms of canonicity then opposite is true. In which case the shota doujins are accurate lol. It's a powerless human being predated by millennia or centuries old creatures. They'll outright seduce him with their aura or magic, manipulate or blackmail him into having sex or just outright rape him. This is generally how a lot of 2hus would behave if they were hot and bothered.

>>44793108
Not him, but when I started writing 2hu porn I never actually intended to write femdom, but I ended up writing femdom precisely because of a lot of what you mentioned. Anything other than that seemed out of character. And if I veer too far out of character then what's the point writing Touhou porn when I could just write some OC porn setting?

>>44792067
>Rumia could be there because maybe fear isn't necessary after all and Youkai can subsist off of something far more accessible
What would they subsist off then? Some of the youkai do mostly rely on unexplained phenomena, but I don't think all of them could. Like, let's take Rumia again, what could live off of? Villagers not being eucated in modern middle school physics?
>>44792082
I think a lot of people started their way into canon with PMiSS and made a lot of assumptions about the setting from the info there, so of course they'll prefer that kind of direction, since later printworks show something rather different.

>>44795455
>Like, let's take Rumia again, what could live off of?
The fear of darkness/the night of course
It's kinda my headcanon to assume why is Rumia so damn stupid is because while we already "conquered" our fear of darkness with torch and lamps, it's still our basic primal fear that will never go away, and Rumia is basically representative of that "neutered" primal fear (it's also tie nicely with the EX-Rumia stuff lol)

>>44792479
>Because you specifically mentioned lore, whereas the staged kidnapping bit was from a fanwork
My point is that staged kidnappings are mentioned in PMISS as a thing that happened.

>>44795455
>I think a lot of people started their way into canon with PMiSS and made a lot of assumptions about the setting from the info there, so of course they'll prefer that kind of direction, since later printworks show something rather different.
To be sure. Hell, even I started off that way. well, that and TV tropes.

>>44795630
>TV tropes
Fuck off.

>>44793166
It's pretty hard to write Touhou porn that is canonical that is not femdom unless you make up characters or assume the likes of Reimu or Marisa are just secretly really submissive in bed.

Human villager X Youkai relationships are basically nonexistent far as we can tell. But we can pretty safely assume the Youkai would hold all the cards in the relationship. That's not even getting into outsiders x Youkai.

>>44795637
It was like a decade ago, bite me.

>>44795645
>assume the likes of Reimu or Marisa are just secretly really submissive in bed
Well, to be fair...

>>44795690
I always felt that one page was really cute. Also kind of sad, because ZUN will never write them getting a nice husband and spending the rest of their lives with someone, they just gotta pine for someone loving them for the rest of time.

>>44795645
I did write one once that was I think technically maledom rape, because it was Okuu sex and she was too focused on nuclear physics and borderline retarded outside nuclear physics to undersand what sex was. but then after figuring it out she played the uno reverse card

>>44795690
These two are MASSIVE virgins.

Also funny this is literally the only time in all of Touhou romance was even mentioned.

>>44795992
Marisa is going to become immortal first before she settles down.

Reimu never will though. Mostly because every human villager hates her.

>>44785070
Here's your world building bro
https://archiveofourown.org/works/36015022/chapters/89778361

>>44796942
That is a good fic.

>>44795992
Cuck. Imagine not wanting to wed and bed one or both of them. Such weak sperm. I am GLAD that ZUN never gave most of the 2hus husbands and the less than handful of husbands arent even mentioned. ZUN probably forgot about them.

>>44795645
You could make the main character powerful. Might be a taoist sorceror, yokai exterminator (or in this case yokai ''slayer''). Could also make him a servant or shikigami. Could also pair him up with nicehus who wont rape him. But yeah in most instances it will be femdom and that is OK.

>>44798203
>taoist sorceror,
Aren't taoist hermits, well, hermits. I don't really see them having sex at all. Granted, I also know Taoism has literal sex magic so it's not impossible.

>yokai exterminator
There are supposed to exist in the human village so it's not a massive leap.

>Could also make him a servant or shikigami.'
Unless you somehow end up working for, say, the Dragon God I feel that both would just lead to more femdom.

>>44798184
>I am GLAD that ZUN never gave most of the 2hus husbands
I agree but I unironically would like to see Reimu or Marisa get a boyfriend. Same for Sanae and Youmu.

Not Sakuya though. She doesn't seem the type to care much about penetrations that don't involve knives.

>>44798485
>Rather that than maledom from the dragon god. Weird how that character doesnt even make any appearances in the story or does anything relevant. Its just sort of in the background. Also yes it would lead to more femdom but you'd have so much power you could bang other 'hus and have it not be femdom.

>>44798495
Most boyfriends would be put off by Reimu being a murderer and Marisa being a shameless thief. Sanae and Youmu are nice girls though.

The thread sure took a turn. Not that I mind. Through dick, unity.
>>44791415
Looks interesting, will steal.
>>44791953
>I could make a file roughly outlining them
Please do, we need it in any way we can get.
>>44795630
>TVTropes
First, ew. Second, funny how they still haven't updated the main page tropes to match the new lore, so Touhou is still not cynical and has white and grey morality lmao.

>>44798814
>Most boyfriends would be put off by Reimu being a murderer
Yes, but she's mostly just dumb.

Most people that would be into her would be equally stupid or trying to fleece her for everything she's worth. Being her boyfriend would basically make you untouchable.

>and Marisa being a shameless thief
I really can't see the average human villager being all that put off by Marisa stealing from Youkai. "Good riddance" is probably what they would say.

>>44798783
>Weird how that character doesnt even make any appearances in the story or does anything relevant.
I almost want to call him one of those weird "early touhou lore" remnants. But I think he's still around?

>but you'd have so much power you could bang other 'hus and have it not be femdom.
So, basically, you would become like Ran? Able to abuse and be abused in equal measure.

>>44798885
>Second, funny how they still haven't updated the main page tropes to match the new lore, so Touhou is still not cynical and has white and grey morality lmao.
I think there's a editing war going on in the shadows between various people. I remember it actually used to be way harsher towards Gensokyo.

>>44798814
>Most boyfriends would be put off by Reimu being a murderer
No taste.

Unironically: What would be the perfect love interest for the main cast?

>Reimu
Outsider trying to learn how to fit into Gensokyo.

>Marisa
Meek village boy that wants to learn magic.

>Sanae
Cool but vaguely chuuni Youkai exterimator.

>Youmu
Whatever the fuck the male equivalent of a yamato nadeshiko is.

>>44799043
Swap meek village boy with an interested outsider and you've got a Mr. Kirisame in the making.
Touhou girls never give up their last names.

>>44799043
Reimu: skinny old bald man
Marisa: gyaruo
Sanae: shota
Youmu: ugly fat bastard

>>44799132
If shota's are a option then all of them get shotas.

>>44799120
>Swap meek village boy with an interested outsider and you've got a Mr. Kirisame in the making.
Maybe? I don't know, I feel Marisa is too manic pixie dream girl for that.

Though I do like the idea of Marisa only wanting to date a outsider as a kind of weird fuck you to her dad.

>>44799171
My headcanon is that Marisa is a naturalised Dutch, who grew short because of miscegenation/magic/plot device.
Maybe her mother was Japanese, but not her father, and the reason he hated magic was because he was a devout christian who saw it as evil witchcraft. Not many nips are blonde and obviously western in stock, but if she grew up normally in the village like any other kid she'd probably act japanese insofar as she does.

>>44799211
Most youkai are blonde.
I also doubt her father is Christian has she has little to no knowledge of Christianity.

>>44799211
>My headcanon is that Marisa is a naturalised Dutch, who grew short because of miscegenation/magic/plot device.
I want to say. Dutch people would be freaking giants by the standards of Gensokyo.

>Maybe her mother was Japanese, but not her father, and the reason he hated magic was because he was a devout christian who saw it as evil witchcraft.
My headcanon/theory is her mom was a outsider who died due to a illness or childbirth. Which caused her dad to hate Gensokyo and magic as a whole (Since it most likely would have been cured in the outside world).

>Not many nips are blonde and obviously western in stock, but if she grew up normally in the village like any other kid she'd probably act japanese insofar as she does.
I could see her being bullied for that. The human villagers are probably less likely to be racist towards blondness than people in actual japan. But, you know, kids are cruel.

>>44799309
>>44799239

I'll admit it's a little out there, but that is my genuine belief.
It hits all the right spots, it gives the basis for an explanation as to why Marisa is... Marisa, and it lines everything up nicely with PC98 canon (I know, I'm a pc98 fag, sue me) where she's manipulated by The Forbidden One to ressurrect her so she can go wreak havoc on the Hakurei shrine again.

Specifically, Mima sees a young impressionable girl infatuated with magic yet unable to pursue it against her wishes, and exploits the strife between her, her father, and the other kids in the village to isolate her and take her on as an "apprentice" with the endgoal of using her to perform a resurrection ritual. Marisa does not matter to TF1, she's just a pair of physical hands she can get to do her bidding in exchange for a small fraction of Her power. And then maybe later she gets a bit attached to her because she likes the ego boost, but that bit's not important.

>>44799309
If she messes with stuff like arsenic before getting into adulthood she could get a bit dwarfed. Also depigmentation may happen since arsenic has been used for skin whitening, not sure how effective it's irl though or maybe there are other funny magical chemicals, but I believe arsenic was mentioned together with mercury in WaHH I think?
>Which caused her dad to hate Gensokyo and magic as a whole
Could also be that her mother became a witch and left maybe even became a youkai or similar and got killed by the past Hakurei, or maybe turned into Reimu's first human turned youkai kill.
Mima could also have been involved, but we'll never get anything about her.
> racist towards blondness
Now that I think about it she might be the only blonde character, unless we count stuff like the fox youkai kid and some background characters maybe... Still what cracks me up is humans like Akyuu and Sanae having those haircolors.

You know it's funny how a european girl would be the one to create a paradise for the japanese youkai

>>44799309
No wonder she ran off

>>44799423
It's a neat way to include some PC98 canon into Marisa backstory. Frankly, if ZUN is going to keep revealing more about Marisa backstory (Which I doubt) he will have to bite the bullet eventually.

>>44799961
>If she messes with stuff like arsenic before getting into adulthood she could get a bit dwarfed.
I could certainly see magic fucking with her height.

>Could also be that her mother became a witch and left maybe even became a youkai or similar and got killed by the past Hakurei, or maybe turned into Reimu's first human turned youkai kill.
I feel like Reimu and Marisa would have a bit more amenity if that was the case. Still an interesting idea. Marisa's mom being a witch would go some way to explaining why she decided to stay in Gensokyo.

>Now that I think about it she might be the only blonde character,
She's the only human blond characters.

>Still what cracks me up is humans like Akyuu and Sanae having those haircolors.
Well, they are a demigod and some weird reincarnation child respectively.

>>44800189
Are you implying that Maribel is a fucking weeb?

>>44800655
I want to know Maribel's favorite anime

>>44800807
Shinsekai Yori, obviously.

>>44800655
>Maribel is a fucking weeb?
Even worse, she's a railfag

>>44790034
considering that the shrine is in the easternmost point of gensokyo, then it and the villiage can't be more than a few miles apart, since humans walk there and back without taking too long - if they walk at ~3mph, then the villiage is probably in the range of 10 miles from the shrine - far enough to be a rare trip, but close enough to go to at times. The same is true of youkai mountain and moriya shrine - the ropeway base can't be too far from the villiage and the ropeway itself can't take too long to head up the mountain.

>>44801216
Shouldn't even be 10 miles. IIRC A line in WaHH suggests it should take 2 hours in inclement weather. The reason it's hardly visited is less because of the distance and more because
1: One path there means easy ambushes for any youkai that do want to cause trouble
&
2: More importantly, a ton of different youkai hang around the shrine, including the negative charisma sage herself.

>>44801389
I also want to add that rarely doesn't mean never.

We see humans making the journey in FS.

>>44800850
> Even worse, she's a railfag
Even better, she is autistic.

>>44800850
Imagine if she got into Warhammer instead of Train sets.

>>44801666
She'd get on pretty well with Sanae, and therefore by extension Kanako.
Gensokyo would not survive the day.

>>44801948
>Gensokyo would not survive the day.
I mean, yeah. Your average Gensokyo inhabitant has room temperature IQ. A single Tzeentch sorcerer would probably take it over in a week.

>>44800189
It's in her blood after all.

>>44801389
so assuming the aforementioned ~3 mph walking speed, the villiage is about 6 miles from the easternmost point of gensokyo, less probably because of terrain. hijiri's temple is also probably nearby too, since people can get there with similar ease, which all suggests that gensokyo either has a lot of stuff to the west of the villiage or is relatively small.

>>44802976
More likely that a lot of it is still effectively just wilderness. Thinking optimistically, youkai could easily take credit for a lot of the deaths that the elements and wildlife cause for the Outsiders that fall through the Barrier without actually needing to do anything. Especially considering the distance on foot from Mount Yatsugatake, which the Road of Liminality is right after, meaning the Road of Reconsideration and Muenzuka should be relatively nearby.

That said, Otherworlds throw a wrench in the works when estimating Gensokyo's size, considering things like Former Hell being physically connected, even if it exists in a somewhat non-euclidean manner, geometrically speaking.

How do you like your fanon Human Village?
- the villagers don't know anything (close to canon);
- same as above, but the villagers are tricked into believing that the Hakurei Barrier is of their own making and they protect the rest of the world from youkai (mixing it up with PCB prologue);
- they know their purpose, but they don't care since their life is generally good (PMiSS);
- their ancestors made Gensokyo what it is in collaboration with the Sages, they know their purpose and they keep fulfilling it since they're duty-bound (wouldn't work unless the villagers are more callous or the youkai are nicer);
-something else (maybe you like Gensoukoumuten or something)

What is the connection between Celestials and Lunarians?

-they both live above the surface
-they both eat peaches
-they both look down on earth crawlers
-they are both technically immortal (although lunarians don't have shinigami coming after them unlike celestials, they go to war with the hell goddess)
-the legendary dragon palace that Iku come from is actually the lunar capital
-both realms are said to be pure and devoid of kegare

Could anyone expand upon these facts?

>>44805953
I mostly like them as they are in canon. Likeable, bit off and prone to making questionable decisions, relaxed, but also with a underlying sadness to them. With that said, I am still somewhat fond of the way they were depicted in either PMISS and especially PCB. The idea of a town where everybody is a innate youkai slayer is just kind of cool to me.

>their ancestors made Gensokyo what it is in collaboration with the Sages, they know their purpose and they keep fulfilling it since they're duty-bound
If you really want me to go into headcanon territory: The original founder of the human village did collaborate with the sages alongside the Hakurei Shrine Maiden. But she did so because he realized that if Japan continued to follow it's current path all youkai exterminators would be out of a job. However, a short while after creating Gensokyo the sages realized that she had outlived her usefulness and that the human villagers having a actual ruling dynasty would create massive problems down the line. So they had the Hakurei Shrine Maiden eliminate her from the picture. Which she did, thus ensuring that her family would largely keep their crucial position for the future without question.

However, as she lay dying from the wound the Hakurei Shrine Maiden inflicted on her she promised that one day, when the Hakurei clan would be at it's weakest, she would return to avenge herself on her family. Putting a end to not just the Hakurei bloodline, but Gensokyo itself in the process.

>>44806018
Most likely not much. But I could imagine Celestials being basically the only people the Lunarians actually respect.

>>44806428
>However, as she lay dying from the wound the Hakurei Shrine Maiden inflicted on her she promised that one day, when the Hakurei clan would be at it's weakest, she would return to avenge herself on her family. Putting a end to not just the Hakurei bloodline, but Gensokyo itself in the process
Mizuchi...

>>44806504
Mima, originally. What with her sprite in Highly Responsive to Prayers carrying around a bloody knife. Mind you, right now Mizuchi probably actually makes more sense.

So, and I know this is a dumb subject, but how likely are you actually go get raped as a shota in Gensokyo?

In myths plenty of Youkai are absolutely fond of sleeping with humans. While the humans are somewhat protected from being eaten, there is nothing stopping an youkai from "eating" a villager.

>>44806797
I recall some anon said that there were implications of this happening in PMiSS, but the thread died before he could elaborate.
I know that some youkai in myth do rape women, but men are usually either seduced and killed, or get a debt repaid with marriage, no rape involved.

>>44809733
>I recall some anon said that there were implications of this happening in PMiSS, but the thread died before he could elaborate.
Basically just this:
>Most outsiders that get caught by youkai either get eaten at once, or get eaten once the youkai lose interest in them.
Which, in context, seems to be talking about Youkai getting information from a outsider to share with their friends but could be taken in... different ways.

I also once had a friend claim that this bit:
>If you were to be successful in catching one, you can freely vent your anger on it since they're not very strong.
Was written in a way that implied "vent your anger" might not just refer to physical violence in Japanese.

>or get a debt repaid with marriage,
I feel that would be a issue in Gensokyo since you would have to leave the human village.

God I wish I was raped by a youkai

>>44813513
Satori you can't just go reading the minds of every Anon in the thread and announcing it to everyone.

>>44813536
Yeah, it's just implied.
Lurk moar, Satori sama.

>>44813513
I want to consensually romance a youkai and respect her as a person.

>>44813661
I want to display the slightest bit of fondness to a youkai and be relentlessly molested because they have absolutely no social skills or concept of personal boundaries.

>>44813675
Ah, the Yukari Express.

>>44785070
>Very few fanworks really get into the "meat" of Touhou-based worldbuilding, which I think is a strange, considering how many fans just straight up ignore canon in favor of their own interpretations, and yet they never get to making their own Gensokyo, which I thought was the whole appeal of this sort of thing.
Well, lets go through with some that do.

Hisona
Fuuzasa
Zounose
Public Planet
Chado
Koge Masaki
Tomobe Kinuko
SoN
Makuwauni
Yohane
Tsugumi
Hikawa Shou
Ichiba Youichi
Fuantei
Dra

These guys all feel like their books have their own inter-connected universes.
Some individual longer stories.

The Miracle Mallet trilogy
Soga no Tojiko Will Not Talk
Starving Marisa's Blessed Meal
Omoito
The World is not Enough
Rainmaker
Vector Spectacle
Suwakoto!
Mad Tengu
Daidara Diaries
Perverse Cried
The Monster from Memoirs

Also special shout out to Hirasaka Makoto who did most of the Three Fairies Manga and just continued writing stories about them that are 100% in character and could fit right in as canon.

Anyone else got any?

>>44813948
>Perverse Cried
Does Danbooru/Dynasty-Scan have all of them translated?

>>44813979
>Perverse Cried
Part 4 was never uploaded in anything but Chinese unfortunately so the series was never completed, Vector Spectacle is also unfinished.

>>44814012
>Vector Spectacle is also unfinished
Damn that's a bummer

>>44813948
Any good fanfics like that or are these just doujins?

>>44814304
Not really into the fanfic scene but I remember liking this one, I was new to Touhou then.

Read a couple of Familiar of Zero crossovers, liked the one with Rumia and Patchouli but they were unfinished.

>>44814360
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11410061/1/Green-Eyes-and-a-Monster
Right, I should actually link it.

>>44813513
It's not that fun.

Most of them are awkward virgins. They suck in bed.

>>44813948
There are a few fanfics that I think tried. Most of them are also massive edgefests though. Like Zounose but even more shameless.

>>44814360
Man, Touhou and Familiar of Zero really are teh secret dark twin nexuses that spawned teh modern Isekai genre.

>>44816088
Domination loss is fine too.

>>44816219
It's hard to pull of a domination loss when they are still strong enough to turn your pelvis to dust.

>>44813948
I don't read much fanfics per se, but from what I've read the most worldbuilding efforts usually go into CYOAs.
>>44816094
>There are a few fanfics that I think tried. Most of them are also massive edgefests though. Like Zounose but even more shameless.
There was this really long one, name of which can't remember, about Satsuki Rin eating Rumia. The author basically combined every single fandom thing at the time (except yuri) plus PC98 lore and took it very seriously. It was ok at first, and there was some fun stuff, like Mystia accidentally becoming a millionaire with her stand, or Kotohime having her own X-Com squad, but at some point it got too ridicilous to take seriously, and I stopped reading around Yukari vs. Yuuka DBZ fight.

>>44813948
>Soga no Tojiko Will Not Talk
Please do not promote the Archtraitor's works.

>>44818196
What did he do?

>>44818149
Oh yeah, that one was a "classic".

Also remember one that tried to retell the Touhou plots in a Grimdark manner by lowering the power level of the main characters by a lot.

I remember Diamond in the Rough was decent, if hilariously outdated these days.

>>44818269
It's somewhat outdated lorewise, though it is funny if you read it as a fuck you to Isekai.

It's not, obviously. But it could be.

>>44818279
I just think it's hilariously outdated because of ULiL.

>>44818250
>Also remember one that tried to retell the Touhou plots in a Grimdark manner by lowering the power level of the main characters by a lot.
I that the one where Reimu accidentally heals the Scarlets' vampirism? And Sakuya got so pissed off that it wasn't her who did it that she shanked Reimu and Marisa during PCB retelling?

>>44818310
I think that's the one? I only read it up to the PCB prologue.

>>44818354
It has to be, I remember Marisa's yokel accent, and Reimu having no spellcards untill Marisa makes her some, and everyone forgetting Japanese language for some reason, and Cirno breaking her legs while trying to fly.

>>44818250
Not that anon, but she (not he) switch to Kancolle. You will need to ask others why they hate her so much though.

>>44818250
>What did he do?
Oh boy. How about a bullet point list?
- seemingly a dedicated Touhou artist for years
- Kancolle comes out, gains popularity
- they smelled money, wiped all Touhou works and jumped ship
- ignored Touhou for years
- Kancolle begins to fall off
- they want to get back into the pockets of Touhou fans
- attended a Touhou-only event
- but since they hadn't done any Touhou work in years, they brought an all-Kancolle line-up
- to a Touhou-only event
- art style/standards severely deteriorated due to churning out cheap botes for views and commissions
- they make a few more attempts to placate their Touhou fans
- give it up and drop from the radar

Also, Soga no Tojiko Will Not Talk? Never finished. The last instalment, produced after the Kancolle disaster? It's throwaway at best, with little to no bearing or connection to the hitherto story.

Fuck Cis. They deserve no recognition.

>>44818415
>Cirno breaking her legs while trying to fly.
In an edgefest way or in a comedic way?
I'll admit, reading that made me chuckle.

>>44818419
>she
Good enough reason in my books.

>>44818425
Edgy comedy. She tried to fly like in games, but everyone is nerfed 'cause that's the setting, so she plummeted from a tree. It seemed serious at first, but the moment she got distracted they instantly healed.

>>44818415
I think that's the one, yeah.

I wasn't that fond of it, but It did inspire me to try and do something similar but focused on Sakuya. Which eventually resulted in the book I'm almost done writing.

>>44818471
>spoiler
As in an actual, original one? Can you share some details?

>>44799001
One amongst many reasons I love the Hime.

>>44818420
Got an example of their later 2hu works?

>>44818518
>As in an actual, original one?
Yes.

>Can you share some details?
Sure, but not that many. If only because I do intend to actually publish it.

Story focuses on a character who is superficially, and I do mean superficially, based on Sakuya. Original idea was basically a origin story of how Sakuya became Remilia's servant. It's changed quite a bit since then and now it's about a male outsider who ends up working for an vampire girl who is totally not a copyright friendly version of Remilia in a East European version of Gensokyo. He's very much the opposite of Sakuya in many ways, he hates his mistress for starters, and most of the story is spend getting kicked around like a pinball by everybody. There are other characters also inspired by Touhou with various levels of subtlety.

A few key lore differences include: Outsiders being unable to leave Not Gensokyo at all. The human villagers going with their PCB prologue characterization of being a entire town of very capable supernatural exterminators. The sages that build the land, with one exception, are all either dead or have lost their position. Everybody speaks German and Russian due to the East European setting. The setting being both less and more grim than Gensokyo as an whole.

>>44818250
>Also remember one that tried to retell the Touhou plots in a Grimdark manner by lowering the power level of the main characters by a lot.
Eh, I'd just do the opposite and make them even more OP than they already are. If i were an artist at least. Seeing the fight play out is waaaay cooler than just reading about it. I thought of having the story take notes from either Jojo, Hokuto no Ken or Invincible. Add in some humor to balance out the edge somewhat. Also because touhou has always had a degree of levity. It would be weird to remove it completely. And back to the point about Grimsokyo, you could have it be grim and still have the girls be as powerful as they usually are. It's just that weaker characters would be fucked with more. Or have it take place from a humans perspective. Really play into how grotesque yokai can be from the actual mythology.

>>44814012
>Vector Spectacle is also unfinished
not only that but it burnt Hokuto out to the point that he basically dropped from drawing entirely, and all he's done since is an illustration or two for touhou cannonball, then like one cover illustration for a seija x shinmyoumaru novel
and I firmly believe it only burnt him out like it did because he thought he should focus on the backstory that was already explained previously and didn't actually need expanding on, only to realise that he couldn't come up with a proper explanation of the events, so it fell apart
which makes me really fucking annoyed, because the present day stuff is so good and I love the characterisation of reimu and the rest of the DDC cast, especially that he wrote reimu and raiko as basically respecting each other as equals because it's a dynamic you don't often see from reimu

>>44818651
I mean, not to toot my own horn, but that is 100% what I try to do Fights are basically just JoJo, and power levels are generally high (Main character can skip, not stop, time and he's easily one of the weakest fighters).

>Add in some humor to balance out the edge somewhat
I mean, Touhou is inherently silly and farcical. Yeah, it's a bit of a downer of a setting but not having any attempt at levity or humor does feel wrong.

>It's just that weaker characters would be fucked with more. Or have it take place from a humans perspective
I would say the former, and then focus more on how fucked up the status quo actually is. As well as how messed up myths and fairy tales actually are if you think about them.

>>44818598
Dear God,Finally we could have story of a "servant" who is not a weak willed cuck just because vampire cunny, Go for it anon, Looking foward to it. when is gonna come out?

>>44818598
Does the main character get to FUCK his copyright friendly Remilia?

>>44818681
Man what a shame, His doujins were always a fun read

>>44818689
Your story sounds interesting. What's it about?

>>44818748
>when is gonna come out?
I hope to finish it this year. A LOT of editing work needs to be done after that however. Then I need to actually find an publisher. So, two years?

If it becomes clear I'm not getting it published the traditional way I might try to publish it online.

>>44818806
Not with the story how I currently planned it. Their relationships is a bit too complicated for that. I do intend to turn it into a running joke that everybody assumes she uses him as a concubine. In general I don't want to turn the story into a harem so the main character doesn't really sleep around. He does joke about it every now and then to tease people.

>>44818917
>In general I don't want to turn the story into a harem
Dear god, a /jp/sie with standards? How the times have changed!

>>44818877
See: >>44818598

Actual story for the first book is a bit light which is one of the reasons I'm probably going to have to rewrite a large chink of it but basically: Main character is abducted. Ends up in NotGensokyo at NotSDM. Forced to work for NotRemilia. Gets into conflict with an human villager who despises people like him who work for supernatural creatures, but also befriends NotReimu (Though she is basically the exact opposite of Reimu).

>>44818931
It's trite and too obviously.

I considered keeping the MC an women but long term plot plans make that rather awkward.

>>44818935
Hopefully you put some actual personality to the setting so it's not just 'Gensokyo but not really'

>>44818935
>but also befriends NotReimu
Wait, NotReimu is here an E.Orthodox Exterminator or a Shaman of Perun?

>>44818935
>Though she is basically the exact opposite of Reimu
So she's not a sociopath?

>>44818967
I do try. The human village is obviously much more martial in nature. It's an living fortress, where the inhabitants eye the main character suspiciously with guards around every corner. Besides the few places set apart to allow somewhat more questionable businesses, though those are very much still watched at all times. Most of the land consists of a massive dark forest. The type where the trees block out any sunlight, and every corner looks the exact same. Which is not to say there aren't some very mystical places hidden beneath the foliage. As well as the occasional tiny hamlet, all of which are filled with very uncanny people that are just a bit too hospitable and eager to get you to the local inn. Those are probably the least dangerous community you could find, by the way. There's also the misty lake. Which, despite the name, is nothing like the one in Touhou. It's basically every mythical island range in Greek, Irish, and any other mythology smashed together.

The one place I'm not entirely satisfied with from a "Actually give this place character" is the equivalent of Youkai mountain. I think I should go for a more Scandinavian mountain vibe to it, but it's hard to say if that would really fit into the setting geographically or thematically. Not-Scarlet Devil mansion is also basically the same. The only really major difference being the lack of fairy maids, which means the whole place is VERY empty.

>>44818999
She's somewhere in between a nun and a Pagan priestess. She technically performs religious services if people ask (They do not). But doesn't really worship a god, at least not an literal deity. Ancestor worship, basically.

>>44819013
She's an demure, shy, neurotic, and very depressed girl who is also the second most powerful person in the entire land and tasked with resolving major incidents. Which she typically does by using her incredible power to instantly disintegrate anything or anybody that gets in her way. Earning her the nickname "Maiden of Death", much to her embarrassment and shame.

She's also way too caught up by rules and regulations to actually help the main character much. She wants to help, but she can't because it's against the rules she's supposed to enforce.

>>44799043
>a yamato nadeshiko
What's that?

>>44821670
When you cum inside Japanese pussy, I think.

>>44818651
I remember this doujin of Yuugi, really captures the essence of how Oni threats are to humans

>>44818917
If you're an aussie your only option is self publishing online. Australian book publishing is extremely cucked and fucked.

>>44819234
>Ancestor worship, basically.
ok so she is Full pagan, make sense, do they have a stealthy non aggression pack with the
Monotheist? are they under Close watch by the orthodox church in case they began to fuck with the outside world?

>>44822702
>Australian book publishing is extremely cucked and fucked.
It's like that everywhere. You're better off writing a web novel and then after building up a fanbase hitting up publishers. They'll still usually say no, but they're less likely to.

>>44819180
will you describe in depth the economic and social systems of the villiage in your book?

>>44819180
>I think I should go for a more Scandinavian mountain vibe to it, but it's hard to say if that would really fit into the setting geographically or thematically.
Cultures tend to mix so I think it could fit, and if there is a mythical haven, chances are that other mythical creatures try to get there to escape lack of faith or whatever you've written as the reason of the sages making that world.
Also sages could pick different places considering the islands in the lake, like Riphean mountains looked nice so they took it with space manipulating powers, the entire land where the mountains where just disappears and the land at each end of the place just joins.
Ireland and Greece are closer to Scandinavia than to each other(except Iceland and Greece) and decent contact existed unless you're going waaay before industrialization, so it wouldn't be odd to me in such a setting.
If you have the knowledge or like Scandinavian folklore you could use it with no problem.
>>44819234
So Reimu is coy, outgoing and easygoing, sounds about right tbf.

>>44822702
I'm dutch, actually. The main issue there being that I'm writing the story in English.

>>44824737
>dutch

>>44822716
>do they have a stealthy non aggression pack with the
Monotheist?
Monotheism has largely fallen out of favor in the human village for a variety of reasons, the biggest one being that getting stuck behind an barrier with their greatest enemy for all eternity kind of ruined their faith in god. There are still Christians around, but it's not the only major religion.

The closest thing you have to monotheistic communities are exiles living outside the village. They are however 1: Very much not worshiping the christian god. 2: Batshit insane crazy.

>are they under Close watch by the orthodox church in case they began to fuck with the outside world?
No, but I have considered implying that the USSR and later the USA are both aware of Not Gensokyo existing.

>>44822889
Yes. Though economically it's not that complex, at least compared to how the human village in Touhou would function.

>>44823687
>Cultures tend to mix so I think it could fit, and if there is a mythical haven, chances are that other mythical creatures try to get there to escape lack of faith or whatever you've written as the reason of the sages making that world.
That is indeed supposed to be the idea. I mostly just worry that having a giant mountain in a place based mostly on the Baltic geographically would look rather silly.

>Also sages could pick different places considering the islands in the lake, like Riphean mountains looked nice so they took it with space manipulating powers, the entire land where the mountains where just disappears and the land at each end of the place just joins.
I think if I did go with that idea I would probably go for something like Hindarfjall, where Brynhildr was supposed to sleep. Though, I must admit that I also kind of like the idea of it being somehow tied to Bald Mountain. Which is obviously Slavic and not Scandinavian folklore.

>So Reimu is coy, outgoing and easygoing,
Also kind of dim. Though, granted, the girl in my story isn't noted as being particularly smart and I do try to make her dialogue somewhat simple compared to other characters. She's still hardly stupid however, just poorly educated.

>>44824744
I know. I've considered moving to Switzerland and changing my name to Noah Müller.

>>44824891
Hey man at least you arent German. Dutch people are way cooler.

>>44824880
about what size are you thinking that the mountain might be?

>>44831973
It's pretty small right now. Larger than the hills surrounding it, but not really on the level of what most people would consider a large mountain. I might actually size it up, at the very least make it tall enough to allow for some glaciers on the top to sell the Scandinavian mythology winter wonderland feel.

>>44796942
>https://files.catbox.moe/8j9uhy.pdf
This was actually a pretty good read even before the smut.

Actually liked the way it tried to portray living in the human village as dystopian without going too far.

>>44824880
Speaking of religions, will you also write about weird mythical metaphysics? One of my favourite things in Touhou, honestly, and I would like to hear somthing similar about something like cynocephalic christian saints.

>>44838984
Yes. In fact, I almost worry I do that too much. Quite a bit of time is spend explaining how magic and myths being real actually works.

>>44841358
As long as it's not just an infodump after an infodump, it should be fine. You're writing a fantasy novel, not CoLA. Unless you have a Rinnosuke expy, that is.

>>44844486
>As long as it's not just an infodump after an infodump, it should be fine
I think it's mostly fine. Few stretches that I'm a bit worried about but those typically come before and after an long string of more action focused content. I mean, the biggest infodump comes before the pivotal moment of no return of the story.

>Unless you have a Rinnosuke expy, that is.
Suprisingly enough, considering I rather like this character, I do not. The role of "Person delivering the exposition" is genneraly divided among the supporting cast.

Talking about Touhou and stories: Are there any authors you think could do a good job writing a Touhou novel?

>>44845422
Stephan King

>>44845913
The Reimu gangbang scene would be odd, but otherwise agree.

>>44845422
Yeah. Me.

>>44846070
Oh yeah? What's your pitch, then?

>>44845422
Brandon Sanderson

I am dreaming of writing a cultivation-inspired novel about the Taoists having to fend off shinigami after their immediate arrival to Gensokyo.

>>44788486
Got anymore maps like this? I have hopes of someday making an explorable 3d open world of Gensokyo, while attempting to position all the locations as lore-accurate as possible.

Also, are there are any doujin games out there now that have a detailed explorable Gensokyo? I'll admit, I've been out of the loop for a number of years.

>>44818420
>- seemingly a dedicated Touhou artist for years
>- Kancolle comes out, gains popularity
>- they smelled money, wiped all Touhou works and jumped ship
>- ignored Touhou for years
>- Kancolle begins to fall off
>- they want to get back into the pockets of Touhou fans
>- art style/standards severely deteriorated due to churning out cheap botes for views and commissions
>- they make a few more attempts to placate their Touhou fans
>- give it up and drop from the radar

lmao that's also the story of KamS Iscariot, He got his comeuppance because when the b*tefags he tried to court looked at his work they were all like "WTF is this shit?" and he never got big in their fandom. Many such cases!

>>44850736
>I have hopes of someday making an explorable 3d open world of Gensokyo

Me too anon, I've attempted something like that but it's not finished.

>>44850736
Unfortunately, the map here >>44788486 is still the most accurate one, most others are not lore-accurate, even if high-effort.

>>44850736
>>44853740
There's a lot of people who think that the Forest of Magic is to the west from the Village, when the evidence tells us that it's close to the Hakurei shrine.

>>44848591
An odd-spoken and odder-mannered man wanders into the Underground on a search for a certain woman he remembers from his childhood. Intercepted by Orin, he is then brought before Satori, who, after peering into his mind, decides to facilitate his quest by lodging him as help in her mansion. So the young man's fruitless search continues, while the two learn to professionally step then less professionally lie around one another... and all the while a unique sickness festers in his heart.

>>44854340
I'm getting the strangest sense of dijon mustard right now

>>44854401
Hey, I haven't told you who else would be in that story yet.

>>44854340
Literally just read it.
You're just joking around, right?

>>44854340
Fuck this seems so familiar but I can't goddam remember its name.

>>44854439
Tenshi is in this story

>>44854456
thanks anon

>>44854596
I also recommend that guy's The Rabbit Has Not Landed (in progress). Came for silly rabbits, stayed for lunarian tech and purple prose. And handholding. God, he does it good.

https://twitter.com/touhouLW_Global/status/1710128997722415139
>ZUN will be joining the JP Touhou LostWord Livestream on Oct 25!
>We're collecting questions to ask him from our Global Players! Post it to us with the hashtag #AskTouhouLW and it could get asked on stream!
I know it's a gachashit stream, but if you ever wanted to try and put a lore question to ZUN, like whether or not oni kasen might ever return, or if alice will ever make a friend, this might be your best chance

>>44855887
>LW
It's fucked. Whatever you'd like to ask is going to get drowned out by the unwashed, tertiary masses asking about Youmu Black's origins.

>>44855887
You fuckers better ask the grimmest of Grimsokyo questions, or else you'll lose your right to be called a grimfag.

>>44855970
Oh no, whatever shall we do.

>>44855989
You shall weep and mourn your lost status, you will sink into a suicidal depression from which there is no escape and be fed to youkai by yukari.

>>44856064
Oh dear. What a horrible turn of events.

>>44855902
Touhou Lost Turd is a blight upon this community.

>>44855970
I mean, I would honestly ask if Yukari was serious about keeping children in her home in PCB.

>>44855887
"Do the realities between universes transcend each other? (Like Reality > Fiction)
Because in the Universe (F1) Koshi is a figure who goes beyond the concepts of mathematics.

Does he represent transcendence in all Universes?"

lmao
they might be hard pressed to find questions they actually want to present to poor ZUN, as long as you ask your question in a normal, sane way it might actually have a shot of reaching him

>>44856767
my favourite was someone asking ZUN to put mima in lost word
not the mainline games, but lost word specifically
also pic related, like it's his decision

>>44856804
>Comms: Open
You can tell that's a tranny and that he has pronouns in his bio.

>>44856809
All western touhou fans that are not on this site are trannies.

Hope that MTL anon is alright, he's the only one who cares to translate Gensou Naratograph so far.
Speaking of RPG, here's what I found in decade old danbooru coments - a conversion to 3.5e D&D. The only thing more autistic would be a GURPS conversion.
http://web.archive.org/web/20190518222459/http://gensod20.alotspace.com/

>>44858307
>MTL
lol

>>44858343
https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/322304001299/
Feel free to buy and translate then.

>>44806496
Tenshi ruining that when?

>>44859077
Tenshi got kicked out. I doubt anybody views her as a example of anything.

>>44858307
>Hope that MTL anon is alright
I am the Anon that delivers updates when you call my name.

To round out the combat rules, supporting fire and cover. Spectators can announce one of the two during the shot step. Supporting Fire has each spectator who declared it roll a D6 and add a single Danmaku to the evading side's field based on the result, where Cover is the opposite, removing a single Danmaku should there be any there.
The "Decisive Battle" Phase occurs after all the Exploration Quests are cleared, or if there was a hard time limit, after that has passed. It is a group battle format where the PCs tag out after each round, and always start on the defensive. Once both the PC and NPC have attacked and defended, another PC that hasn't yet fought is tagged in, until all have done so, then it effectively resets. All other players count as spectators in this Phase, and appropriately can freely provide Supporting Fire and Cover. It is also possible for there to be more than one NPC opponent, in which case they can tag out freely after each round, but are not forced to like the PCs.
Closing Phase has most things reset, but rules for character progression, such as the acquisition of Tags for Dice Checks and Danmaku Skills, are included.

My condolences for the delays, I've had some personal stuff to deal with and haven't had much leisure time to dedicate to the translation. Once I get through the GM's section, particularly the guidelines for creating new content, I'll start throwing together the core rules file.

>>44850736

If you lived in Gensokyo (and were strong enough to defend yourself) were would you build your house?

>>44864202
In the middle of nowhere, next to Rinnosuke's, for maximum passive aggression. If he moves, I will rebuild it next to his new house too.

>>44864202
I am going to be Yukari's wife(male) so I don't need to build my own house!

>>44864202
The foot of Youkai Mountain
Figures I can probably procure some machinery from the Moriya or kappa which makes day-to-day living a bit less of a bore.

>>44864202
Somewhere between Reimu's house and the bamboo forest. I can fuck Raymoo or any of the yokai who show up at her place to get shit faced. Or I can go the bamboo forest and fuck Mokou. Mayne even Kaguya, mmmh.

>>44864202
If we are using that map then, probably on that hill. It's near Rinnosuke's Shop, the Human Village, Magic Forest. The only downside is the fact that it's not near Eientei (Hospital) and near the Youkai Forest but if I can fly and defend myself then that shouldn't be a big problem.

>>44864202
Probably between Kourindou and the Human village.

Assuming I was trapped in Gensokyo and couldn't leave, I would mostly try to my hands on outside stuff so I can pretend I still have internet and video games to play .

>>44785070
On a side note, powerscaling has to be one of the most retarded aspects that the touhou fandom has, you have those people who say Marisa can destroy a planet with her master spark, people who say Rumia's control of darkness is universal and so on, the land of Gensokyo itself is a very small continent so if anyone can destroy it it is still a weak feat, and Hecatia's title as the strongest is proof that absolutely *no one* is above planetary level at most

>>44866056
I feel it's one of those weird early Touhou fandom things back when all we really had was the games and works like PMISS that have characters deliberately inflate power levels.

In reality I would say Touhou is probably more similar to something like JoJo than Dragon Ball. Yes, the powers are really nasty. Yukari could, and at least in the fighting game does, cut you in two just by touching you. But, the characters probably aren't moving faster than light or are totally immune to gunfire.

>>44866056
it's even weaker than you think, most of these characters you mention need weakass schizo humans to believe in them to exist and have any power in the first place, anyone who can nuke the human village is the strongest by definition

>>44866087
This fuels my belief that a winchester 1895 in 45/70 loaded up with silver bullets would be the weapon to end all weapons in terms of Gensokyo
MAX holy damage and plenty of physical damage, there is no contest.
Bonus points if it was personally blessed by JMB (Pbuh).

>>44866126
>Human villagers could probably enforce anything they want on the youkai by just threatening to off themselves en mass.

>>44866056
Houyi shot down nine suns and creating a senkai isn't anywhere near the peak of the setting's power. You can call it retarded, but that's just you seething about other people having fun, really. That's before getting into things like protagonists crossing Kaguya's infinite hallway.

That said, most of this is likely due to the Youkai Expansion Project being designed to buff non-humans. Outside of the GHB and Otherworlds very few characters would be able to do much of anything.

>>44866164
I don't think it would work just because silver, by itself, doesn't do anything against most youkai unless imbued with faith. If you do get a gun blessed by a priest though you could probably take on most Youkai and win.

On that note, but a wild west Gensokyo would be pretty awesome. Lots of Native American and settler folklore to draw from. Weird Christian groups everywhere. Communists that believed in communism so hard they turned Marx into a deity by accident. Vampires that speak with a thick southern accent and call everybody "My boy". All of it overseen by a Reimu esque sheriff figure who is the fastest gunslinger in the entire west.

>>44866197
Houyi shot down nine suns at the absolute peak of her power, and even then presumably only because humans actually believed in it. Hecatia is the single most powerful person in Gensokyo, and she has "Only" a few million followers in the outside world.

I'm sure on a cosmic level power levels get pretty high. But Gensokyo is a minor backwater that refuses to get with the time. They are a joke even compared to the lunarians, who themselves are nothing compared to American astronauts that presumably all still practiced Christanity.

>>44866256
Don't bother talking with him, he's probably one of the edgelords who think Touhou is multiversal and whatnot

>>44866256
Lunarians job to kegare, and the astronauts are in the Outside World where Moonie tech doesn't mean shit. Put simply, anybody who makes even a half-assed attempt to use symbols of faith or weapons associated with magic (such as silver bullets as mentioned above) would naturally just be a lot stronger inside the Barrier. Obviously the issue is that the Villagers just don't.
>>44866318
You're free to deny canon all you want, but edge has nothing to do with it, tertiary.

>>44866318
>one of the edgelords who think Touhou is multiversal
What?

>>44866536
I don't think that's how it work, but it's a cool idea if true. Plus it allows me to say stupid shit like "Big Boss could solo Gensokyo" or "One Space Marine chapter could solo the Touhou universe".

>>44867591
Anyone with a triple digit IQ could solo Gensokyo. Its residents aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed. Half of them may as well be clubs by that analogy.

>>44866056
>Marisa can destroy a planet with her master spark,
Might blame dragon ball Z on that since things around the size of a master spark destroyed planets.
The Rumia part no clue were they got that from tho, I can understand Flan being telekinesis one punch man or Yukari looking op af after reading her getting to the moon by jumping in a reflection, making her look like she has some bs reality manipulation.
Getting run over by a train and nuclear fussion not being banned in spell card battles in the fighters might also add to the power wank.
>>44866256
>Houyi shot down nine suns at the absolute peak of her power
Was Houyi specified to be a woman in touhou?
I think that it were gods, considering that Heca said something about him shooting down Apollo iirc.
So the 10 suns might have all been gods instead of absurdly big gas balls.
>Hecatia is the single most powerful person in Gensokyo, and she has "Only" a few million followers in the outside world.
There's also hell, which would have around 7billion in the earth one "if we believe the sentence of more people alive right now than people died in history" but it might be more + two unknown numbers from the moon hell and the otherworld hell.
So the maximum amount of followers could have would be higher than the amount of people currently living on earth.
Unless hell works with some rules completely different to Gensokyo and the outside world. Which could be, but I assume that hell souls give some sustenance to youkai in hell and the like. But I could be wrong.
>>44866248
>Wild west 2hu
Sounds fun, not sure what to call it since Seihou is already taken tho.
>>44867591
>"Big Boss could solo Gensokyo"
Technically speaking in many settings proper stealth would be devastating iirc in dbz most characters can be harmed by normal means if they don't focus their ki beforehand( like Friezer getting hacked to pieces by a sword that Goku blocks afterwards) and ki detection wouldn't help against people without powers.
So in a 1vs1 duel Big Boss might be meh in most settings, but in gapped to x world he might have a good chance.

>>44868524
which makes me wonder whether afterlife realms need human belief to exist or if they are independent regardless of whether humans believe in them or not

>>44868542
I'm pretty sure only Youkai and some Deities rely on belief, and even then I think they use it differently. Kanako as an ascended human soul needs faith to maintain her power, most Youkai seem seem to as well.
On the other hand Suwako as a native god is the personification of a part of earth, just because you don't believe in her doesn't mean she's not real, although I think she's reliant on human belief and impurity for "definition" or ego, so "Suwako" the person might die, but I think the deity itself would remain.
There is also that Zun comment about how Junko's purification works, that it's a power that refines things into a more godly state, stripping them of their names.
There's also the connection between Suwako and the faeries, with them being nature deities lolis, so the personifications of the earth seems to be Lolis for some reason.
In the manga we also see deities existing who are little believed in, but seem more godly then Kanako at least and still perform powerful feats like fueling a rocket with their power, or sending assassins after hermits.
So I think that'd extend to the other realms as well, Belief just seems like a convent power source humans produce and the Lunarians included as the fuel source for the Youkai due to them being made as an anti-human bioweapon.

>>44868542
The spirits and souls in hell certainly believe in the demons/youkai that reside in there

Also as far as I know, Hell is supposed to be infinite, it's literally an endless realm that has no real end and where souls may stay for there up to millions of years, though the flow of time might be different there compared to Earth for all we know, perhaps 2000 years on Earth is like months to residents of Hell

>>44858307
Lmao at that conversion, sadly I haven't really played D&D so I cannot tell much about it, but it emanates nerd powers.
Student and rockbunny class made me laugh a bit and the details in races are pretty nice. And of course a table with alcohol was necesary.
Not sure if having flight and ground battles would be a bit complicated seeing how fast they go.
Although it having Patchouli elements + void istead of star is a bit odd since you have the three lights things and both Star and Lyrica seem to already be a bit in that "neutral" abilities place I guess.
Also I thought that moonbunnies where slow, at least Reisen compared to beast youkai in PMiSS. Probably because of the difference in gravity or something.
>>44868542
It's a bit weird because magic still seems to kinda work in the outside world considering the whole 60year cycle affects mainly the outside world and Gensoukyou only suffers a massive inflow of ghost. I guess that it could be also some weird phenomena undiscovered by science, but it being a war and then an earthquake make it feel more magical than anything.
So maybe some underlying magic still exists, Renko's and Maribell's power also don't seem to require faith to work but are real, so it seems that either faith isn't required at all for some magic or that some magic needs an absurd amount of time before starving of faith.

>>44869185
I like the tidbits about lost US Marines. Really sets that schizo mood.

>>44868524
>Was Houyi specified to be a woman in touhou?
No. I just assumed so because Touhou.

>I think that it were gods, considering that Heca said something about him shooting down Apollo iirc.
It's pretty likely and would actually make sense.

>There's also hell
Hell is weird though insofar that, at least in Christian mythology, nobody is actually in charge of it. It's just the absence of gods light and Satan is mostly just kind of there because, well, what else is he going to do? Hecatia seems to have stolen his place but it's unlikely most of the people there believe in her anymore than they believed in Satan.

>Which could be, but I assume that hell souls give some sustenance to youkai in hell and the like.
I think turning souls into vengeful spirit does do something for hell?

>not sure what to call it
Weird west? Oh right, that one is taken already.


>>44868542
My personal assumption for that is 1: Yes, they do and without faith you just vanish into nothingness upon death. 2: They do not but are still affected by human belief to actually give them a physical form. The cycle of reincarnation exists and would continue to exist even without human belief but at the same time it wouldn't look or work like it does in Buddhism without human believes. Presumably that also means certain religions allow you to escape it since the bible doesn't say anything about reincarnation.

>>44868638
Can they even be said to believe in anything? They are largely non sapient after all.

>>44872413
Reminds me of a idea I once came up with for a Touhou rpg (Not anywhere near as worked out sadly). Though that one only had playable human characters.

>>44872923
Let me guess, Predator but Touhou?

>>44873131
No. But some of the classes were things like soldiers that got stranded in Gensokyo.

>>44872878
>Can they even be said to believe in anything? They are largely non sapient after all.
That's not even remotely true. Even the fodder Vengeful Spirits have been known to be sapient since SA, and it can be safely assumed that other forms of spirits are also capable of thought in general.

>>44872413
Agree, they are some nice details, although not sure if marines would be forgettable enough to enter in Gensokyo. Although the barrier might just wash down random people that just got in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The light rifle having a 16th century Dutch firearm carvings is also nice. I guess that if Tengu have worked with guns you at least won't have the ammo problem of traveling to the past and only having your initial ammo.
>>44873229
That class would be very make it hard to balance. Although maybe occultist schizo could be more broken depending on how easy it is to get magic.

>>44877078
It is totally believeable in my eyes for a platoon of marines to get lost and/or forgotten about if there was enough chaos.
The unbelieveable part is arming them with MP-5's.
Soldiers on the front line never use submachines guns, not since WWII. At most they'll use super-carbines like the AKS-74U, or the XM177, but both of those are pretty much just the normal service rifle cut down to a ~10" barrel.

>>44872878
>I just assumed so because Touhou.
Makes me wonder if Tsukuyomi is really a lord like it's mostly translated since sama can be used for either.
> and Satan is mostly just kind of there because, well, what else is he going to do?
Dunno about that, satan is in earth a bunch of times and he talks to God in the story of Job... The only time I remember him going to hell, would be the red dragon thing in revelations where it is a punishment. Still gotta retake my seriously read the bible from start to finish thing since there are a lot of "christian mythology things" that seem to come from who knows where.
It's also hard to know how hell in touhou really is, if different gods just picked x part and made it their torture sinner or banish jerks place and hell just was big enough to none of them to stumble upon each other, or if it's all just ZUNs buddhist inspired hell for everyone. Makai is also weird since it doesn't seem at all a place for the dead, but has devils in it.
>I think turning souls into vengeful spirit does do something for hell?
Might check out if I find anything like that but I fear that Rinnosuke's rants and the 60year cycle explanation is as far as we will get into specific workings of the setting.
Although I'm not sure how much to trust Rinnosuke since he has knowledge but we don't see it applied most of the times, so it looks like he talks in mere hypotheses.

All names are taken, guess maybe a touhou game title sounding thing might work. Sheriff Shooting Dream or Shooting Star Cowboy(without any cowBOY at all in the setting)

>>44877108
Either the author wasn't enough of a gunfan to know or really liked MP-5s and but them in regardless.

>>44876046
>Even the fodder Vengeful Spirits have been known to be sapient since SA
They are? It's been a while since I played SA, but they don't come across as very sapient. Most ghosts, as described in PMISS, also don't sound very sapient.

>>44877078
>That class would be very make it hard to balance.
Main downside would be that Ammo is really hard to come by. Magicians, Shrine Maidens, and half youkai that specialize in being weeb sword masters wouldn't have that issue.

>>44877520
>Makes me wonder if Tsukuyomi is really a lord like it's mostly translated since sama can be used for either.
If it's anything like it's been in the past, Tsukuyomi will be a lord right up until ZUN decides to actually have them appear.

>The only time I remember him going to hell, would be the red dragon thing in revelations where it is a punishment.
Fair point. I'm thinking more of non canonical works like Paradise Lost and Dante's inferno.

>It's also hard to know how hell in touhou really is, if different gods just picked x part and made it their torture sinner or banish jerks place and hell just was big enough to none of them to stumble upon each othe
It's hard to say, especially since the likes of Hades don't really match the traditional idea of hell. If nothing else, I don't think it's all buddhist punishments considering that, when Reimu was in hell, she was just in a giant black void being annoyed by a loud speaker all day.

>Makai is also weird since it doesn't seem at all a place for the dead, but has devils in it.
Makai is even weirder since it had a clear explanation in PS98 games.

>>44877821
>they don't come across as very sapient.
Orin is stated to be able to speak with them and hold conversations. Many of them don't even realize they're dead, although with cases like Tojiko and Mizuchi, who knows how much of that is true for "current" canon.

>>44881879
Isn't that with corpses before they became vengeful spirits? I might be misremembering my lore, but I thought that is how Synopsium described it.

>>44872923
>Though that one only had playable human characters
Now that reminds me of an idea I had. Basically, make a funnel with a bunch of outsiders trying to get to a safe place. Anyone who survives gets to become a character in a dungeoncrawling/awkward SoL campaign where they get kick ass/befriend the same creatures that tried to eat them. I had a bit of a different view of the setting back then.

>>44883501
I mean, we do have two outsiders who can fight nowadays. Even if one is a demigod and the other kind of a dumbass.

>>44883572
They're both are under direct protection of someone important, so it's not the same. Lacks the juxtaposition of surviving through Hell and then playing Mario Kart with the demons while trying to ignore them almost boiling you a week ago. And no, Sumireko's situation doesn't, she's coddled by some powerful people

>>44883656
Isn't her entire thing she fucked around and found out? We see her hanging around the shrine occasionally, but it's not like she's Suika, Aunn, or Kasen. Actually do we know where her doppelganger lives?
A better argument is that since she's a psychic she can defend herself so she does just that, weak and feral youkai don't harm her due to strength and she's too much trouble for the established political factions to do anything about, and the sages don't see her as a threat.
I guess the Tengu, Kappa, or SDM could kill her if they made a concentrated effort, but they don't really have a reason to do so.

>>44883881
>Isn't her entire thing she fucked around and found out?
Yes, and that's what I meant by her being coddled - her "finding out" was comepletely fabricated.

>>44884053
Well it's not like they wanted to kill her, just scare her off.
Which I wouldn't call coddling, it's an aggressive but close to neutral response, it's not like they gave her a tour a traveling brochure.

>>44884053
>>44884194
Sumireko is mixed since she did befriend the like of Mokou pretty quickly. What is most interestingly about her is that the biggest reason none of the cast even considers more permanently deal with her is because her going missing would actually draw some attention from the outside world. Her social media presence and presumably loving family might be the biggest reason nobody tried to silence her for good.

Either way, her position does put her above most outsiders. I really doubt somebody that wasn't psychic would get the same reception. Certainly not the people yukari usually targets.

>>44796942
Hot.
This is the Gensokyo I came here for.

>>44884344
There is also the case that Sumi is Renko's ancestor and Yukari is playing favorites with an old friend.

>>44886007
Did Yukari ever talk with sumireko in canon?

>>44886208
The fighting game.

>>44785070
This might not be the place to ask this, but ever since she was revealed, I've been wondering about a few things. What's Mizuchi's ultimate goal? Sure, she seems to want to cause chaos in Gensokyo, but why is she targetting Reimu?
Not to mention she and Reimu have a very similar hair style and she blames the Hakurei Shrine of the amount of youkai in the Human Village?. Could Mizuchi and Reimu be related in a way?

>>44887959
She could be Reimu's ancestor. Though I like the idea that Reimu's ancestor actually killed her and now she wants revenge.

>>44796942
The AI can't do anything even close to that, writeKINGS will remain undefeated for years.

>>44887999
I want to write something similar for another character. Mystia, perhaps.

>>44888007
If you don't mind suggestions, how about Hina? I have yet to see a decent fic about her.

>>44887976
It would be great if that was the case. Another thing I just noticed is that they also share the 霊 in their names.

>>44888013
For some reason I can't really see Hina engaging in femdom. I would probably write a more sweet romance for her where somebody realizes how much she sacrifices by absorbing misfortune and loves her regardless of the danger being around her poses.

>>44888047
I doubt it would be the case because it would get into a lot of what being a Hakurei Shrine Maiden actually entails and ZUN seems reluctant to do that. Still, I do hope we get some kind of pay off to her seeming connection to Reimu.

>>44873131
Nitori would be an Engineer. Or maybe Eirin would be one. Now that i think about it, having Eirin in a parody MMD of her being woken up by Miko asking for eternal life would be hilarious. Just rips off someones head and king hits Miko.

>>44888180
>I do hope we get some kind of pay off
Ha!

Is there any way Gensokyo as a place could be redeemed at this point? is the entire thing just beyond salvation?

>>44892660
No all the villagers don't values their lives and want to kill themselves and the outside world needs to nuke Gensokyo to cleanse the world of Y*ukai.

>>44893049
>the villagers don't values their lives and want to kill themselves
Out of all the actual shit in Gensokyo to use as an example, you choose a meme.
>outside world needs to nuke Gensokyo to cleanse the world of Y*ukai
What makes you think the government will do the sensible thing, instead of keeping hush about a source of actual magic and exploiting it?

>>44893478
They already do that actually, it's hinted towards in one of the Music CDs, Old Adam if i remember correctly.
Also i'm pretty sure heca is involved in the american government somehow, it's the only gov't that takes an anti-lunarian stance, has the same freedom ideals as her, is red white and blue like heca, and lets not forget clownpeice is literally modeled after the statue of liberty.
Also I responded with a joke because I thought the question was a joke.

>>44893504
It wasn't a joke. I do seriously wonder if Gensokyo could become a non dystopian place sometimes.

>>44893698
It's stated to the for the sake of Youkai, but realistically it exist for the sage's goals, and we only really know Kasen's.
In my eyes the goals of the sages are probably the most important factor in that, but since we know so little about them it can't really be said definitively either way.

>>44893719
I get the sense that Yukari's goal is very petty considering how small minded most of her short term goals actually are. Okita is the one I'm most curious about considering she's a god and not a Youkai.

>>44893848
Yeah, I wonder what Okina's deal is, other than maintaing her godly status. Not to mention the implied to exist offscreen sages, or at least it doesn't feel like we've even met all of them, or if we have met them we haven't met them as sages.

>>44893983
My personal assumption is that one of them is Reimu's ancestor and/or the Hakurei God (Assuming they aren't the same). Otherwise, no clue. I doubt we're going to have a reveal that any of the existing characters are secretly a sage.

>>44894107
I doubt that the Hakurei God is a Sage. There's too many precautions against taken by the Sages, and it's clearly not happy with it's current state.
>I doubt we're going to have a reveal that any of the existing characters are secretly a sage
True, but what if there will be such a reveal, who would be the most likely candidate? I would bet on Keine, but I don't think ZUN even remembers her.

>>44897034
>I would bet on Keine, but I don't think ZUN even remembers her.
ZUN abruptly remembering her and deciding 'fuck it, we sagin' ' when?

>>44897034
I'd bet on Tewi, she's been there before the Eentei crew, is probably the oldest living character, is likely the biological progenitor of the moon rabbits, and has influence and goals.
Those being leader of the rabbit faction, having the Entei crew's ear, and hating the moonies.

Alright i've seen a lot of people talking about ZUN going political seemingly involving FS latest chapters and the hifuu albums but can anyone elaborate on that?

>>44897426
The final FS arc and Changeability of Strange Dream don't have a political bit per se, but both carry the notion of absolute subjectivism. In both cases, the characters advocating for it (Akyuu and Maribel respectively) are depicted as being "correct," although Kosuzu at least rightfully points out that such a mentality can be used to justify anything. More political takes include UDoALG being an allegory for AI content creation (ironic given that an AI could probably make a more balanced game) and the latest CoLA chapter including Rinnosuke being used as a mouthpiece for ZUN to criticize paper currency (in spite of ZUN clearly not understanding the history behind that.)

>>44897920
I thought Akyuu/Maribell was meant to be in the wrong? In both instances it's refuted by their friend character for being nonsensical, less mouthpeice and more Zun trying to characterize them as midwits.

>>44897948
Except Kosuzu is depicted as being in the dark about the nature of Gensokyo in that, and her actions as a result are framed as being a mistake. Renko not only doesn't refute Maribel, but actively enabled her in the same album in spite of recognizing the danger. Then you get into things like Hecatia's interview in AFiEU having her describe Gensokyo as a land of freedom and tolerance where anything is accepted (I'm sure the villagers and former hell youkai will definitely agree with that assessment.)
While they are midwits by any sensible account, you underestimate just how isolationistic and out of touch ZUN really is. This is the same guy that for many years that Flandre was an obscure character, and, again, just about every political take he ends up injecting into his works displays a complete lack of understanding on the subjects.

>>44898560
I read the Heca interview as her explaining her own political agenda and manipulating Aya into only targeting the Lunarians. Especially since when he does write villager characters he tends to generally fit in line with what the Anons speculate about on this board.
Also I thought the AI stuff and the two dystopias fighting each other in the animal realm was fine. The problem with the new human spirit guardan is that it's a society both made for war, so it must always have an enemy, and one were humans are only resources, a society where the tools humans make and power take precedence over the humans themselves.
Also to be fair former hell is full of shitters who deserve to be there, even the myouren crew.

>>44898587
>a society where the tools humans make and power take precedence over the humans themselves.
Except that applies way better to Gensokyo anyway, and again, the issue is when ZUN is trying to make an allegory against AI-created works and puts out unironically the worst phantasmagoria yet, he shoots himself in the foot by coming off as lazy, and this is after he got help from Tasofro and his wife in the process of making it in the first place.
>when he does write villager characters he tends to generally fit in line with what the Anons speculate about on this board.
The main issue I have with this is how frequently he likes to frame the powers that be as in the right, or at best plays the worst parts for laughs with no actual resolution. The best interpretation you can give is that he's more cynical and misanthropic than even creators like Anno who are known for that, but that's being generous enough to stretch suspension of disbelief.

>>44788486
>>44864202
I guess there's some disagreement as to where the garden of the sun is and if the road of Liminaty and reconsideration are separate or not.
Do we even have anything specified to be at any cardinal direction aside from the Hakurei shrine being at the East of Gensokyo?

>>44897034
>True, but what if there will be such a reveal, who would be the most likely candidate?
Well, we had a youkai, a hermit(Oni), and a god. I want to say a human makes sense.

>I would bet on Keine, but I don't think ZUN even remembers her.
Agree.

>>44898621
>Except that applies way better to Gensokyo anyway
The animal realm, literally uses humans as a resource, so I think it works well. ZUN also doesn't value perfection so he sees no artistic value in a perfect work, or in somethign not human made.
He's not saying AI is shit, he's saying that making human tools take precede humans, and the tech bro mindset of optimization is something he disagrees with on artistic grounds.
Also I don't fault a geezer like ZUN having help from his friend and wife, he's been making these games solo for years and he's a father, not to mention everything he's written or had a hand in writing.

>>44898560
>Renko not only doesn't refute Maribel, but actively enabled her in the same album in spite of recognizing the danger
The issue there is we don't know how it's going to end. If it ends with Maribel turning into Yukari and Renko dead I doubt it's meant to be positive. Kosuzu was in the wrong but ultimately she wasn't a very likeable or moral character in the first place. Her first reaction to discovering the truth behind Gensokyo is "Now I can throw everybody else under the bus!" and most of her character is defined by her reckless behavior and lack of care for consequences.

>interview in AFiEU having her describe Gensokyo as a land of freedom and tolerance where anything is accepted
It never really read that way to me nor is Hecatia meant to be a totally in the right and positive character anyway. She is the literal queen of hell and while she is mostly a stabilizing presence that hardly excuses her actions. Her being a wiccan god makes her pretty biased as well towards a place like Gensokyo.

>you underestimate just how isolationistic and out of touch ZUN really is.
Sealing Club does very much come across as something a angsty teenager might write. But Gensokyo has become a more consistently negative place since then and he doesn't seem that into ever coming back to finish the story.

>>44898621
>The main issue I have with this is how frequently he likes to frame the powers that be as in the right, or at best plays the worst parts for laughs with no actual resolution.
I would say the latter largely disqualifies the former. Most of the general sociopathy and immoral nature of the characters is always played for laugh. They aren't right so much as we are just meant to enjoy how awful they are as people. It's been one of the most consistent parts of Touhou, basically been that way since Story in Eastern Wonderland.

With that said, I do think ZUN is VERY cynical and misanthropic.

>>44902663
>Most of the general sociopathy and immoral nature of the characters is always played for laugh. They aren't right so much as we are just meant to enjoy how awful they are as people. It's been one of the most consistent parts of Touhou, basically been that way since Story in Eastern Wonderland.
Interesting how this is also consistently the part of Touhou most ignored by fans. Even those fanwriters who try to stick to canon will usually make the characters more likable and less sociopathic. Almost as if nobody outside a small group of people, ZUN included, actually likes the Moe Epstein's Island™ approach.

>>44902918
Because 1: It's not actually that funny. 2: Nobody actually approaches Touhou as an comedy.

I don't really have much to add because I am not a gensokyo historian (akyuu lol) but I do enjoy this information. I am learning.

>>44902663
I think Zun's comedic sociopathy is fun on occasion, but pretty much everyone is a jerk, not just in Gensokyo, but the other dystopias.
be they the future, the Lunar Capital, the Animal Realm, or Hell.
Although the others tend to have their themes explore more or be villains, but the thing about dystopic fiction is that it's meant to be cautionary, while Gensokyo is based of fantasy and mythology stories it's more adjacent to a critical of the real world and the settings earth.
So it ends up not being explored in the same ways as the others, as well as being more comedic.

>>44903036
I do.

>>44903036

This >>44903334
And it is pretty charming, but maybe not "funny" in the sense you're meant to laugh at it.
It is funny in the sense that seeing your favourite retards act so characteristically typical is very entertaining though. See IN's dialogue.

>>44903239
It can be fun every now and then, but it means that the story tends to fall flat whenever it tries to get serious to any degree.

I would say Gensokyo isn't directly cautionary expect for the fact that it warns of the dangers of allowing memetic ideas to run rampant and take hold of you. That might just be projecting though.

>>44903334
>>44903371
It can be somewhat charming, though basically never laugh out loud funny. But, like I said, I do think a lot of the issues with the fandom come from the fact that very few people making concept approach it as a comedy.

>See IN's dialogue.
IN borders on being a straight up non sequitur half the time just because ZUN apparently wrote it while drunk.

>>44903534
I get the cautionary vibes due to the characters being fuck up jerks and then being punished by the narrative for it, the most clear cut example would be the full four seasons incident counting the manga chapters in WaHH.
Also, ZUN's always drunk

>>44903534
>I do think a lot of the issues with the fandom come from the fact that very few people making concept approach it as a comedy.
From the other side, I wrote several fics now where the hus were simple jerks to everyone all the time, where the punchlines were usually just them being unpleasant and getting into mild trouble/physical injury for it, and the one thing I always got back was people taking it way too seriously. I strongly suspect that a good chunk of fans see cute characters and don't suffer the kind of low-empathy cognitive dissonance that lets them just point and laugh when they get kicked in the shins or get all their crap stolen or blasted.

>>44903554
I guess. My issue is that the punishment rarely matches the crime. Like, yeah, Yukari is pretty miserable and frequently gets abused. But considering she's a mass murder, it still feels a bit... small.

>>44903748
That's fair. I can't speak for all content creators but it's pretty likely they might be more aware of the true nature of Touhou than most of it's fans.

I personally just switched to writing my own book because I knew it wasn't canon to make the characters more likeable like I wanted and writing a fantasy version of Fawlty Tower just didn't appeal to me.

>>44903816
Yeah, Touhou is ultimately ZUN's personal diary or artpiece series, he's said as much before.
I think that's why he's so liberal with what he lets people do and waived basically the majority of his rights as owner of the IP.
An attitude that reminds me of Tolkien funnily enough, with the lore books being biased historical or collated accounts, and the positive attitude towards fan creations.

And seriously good on you for writing your own stuff, I hope it goes well.

>>44903816
Are you the Eastern-European Not-Gensokyo writer? In any case, good luck.
>because I knew it wasn't canon to make the characters more likeable like I wanted
I wish I didn't have to deal with this shit. Like, there are examples in this thread of fans just doing what they want with given material, but whenever I try to do this, I always get stuck in a mental loop of "Is this thing even Touhou at this point? Do I even like Touhou, or some made up/outdated version of it?" and just give up. One of the reasons I made this thread was to see the kind of mindset these fans have, and I don't think I've succeeded.
That, and to get more updates on the Naratograph translation.

>>44903956
Every interpretation of Touhou is personalised.
Seriously though, I don't think there are two people in the world Aside from secondaries who only know fanon who agree on everything, there will be some differences in some characters somewhere. Is Remilia just a chunni brat whois just perpetually bored of everything? Is she really a mastermind of the SDM or is Sakuya the one de facto in charge of everything and anything? Different people will give different answers. I wouldn't dwell upon it too much, since it doesn't lead you anywhere important.

>>44903934
>And seriously good on you for writing your own stuff, I hope it goes well.
If you are curious, you can read about it in this thread.

>>44903956
>Are you the Eastern-European Not-Gensokyo writer?
Yes.

>"Is this thing even Touhou at this point? Do I even like Touhou, or some made up/outdated version of it?" and just give up.
I think I've personally come to terms with my feelings on Touhou. It's not the setting I thought it was ten years ago, but that is not to say that it's bad or without value. I just don't think I could write an story set in it, certainly not the kind of adventure fantasy story I want to write.

>>44904060
>It's not the setting I thought it was ten years ago
But that's the thing - even now I see people write PMiSS-style Gensokyo with barely any issues, so I don't get why does canon autism stop me and not them, even though they probably reference material a lot more.
There's also some other things to take intto account - the kind of people who would want to join a Touhou RPG campaign will probably want something closer to modern canon. Chances of me having the camaign I want are rather low, even if I somehow stop bitching and actually make my own Gensokyo.

>>44904396
>so I don't get why does canon autism stop me and not them
No clue. Like I said, for me it's just a question of "Why bother when I can just make my own stuff?"

>the kind of people who would want to join a Touhou RPG campaign will probably want something closer to modern canon
Depends. I've never run a Touhou campaign, but I imagine most people either want pretty hardcore grimdark stuff (Though probably with the human villagers slightly less ineffectual) or light slice of life antics were nobody dies. Either way, it's something you should probably discuss beforehand.

>Chances of me having the camaign I want are rather low, even if I somehow stop bitching and actually make my own Gensokyo.
Do you know anybody who wants to run a Touhou campaign with you or are you just speculating?

>>44904416
>Do you know anybody who wants to run a Touhou campaign with you or are you just speculating?
Mostly speculating. I got one friend who is interested, he's mostly into games, not lore, so he'll accept anything. The problem is that he's the only one I know who would agree, and I've never had to search for randoms to play with before. I'm afraid that even if I find them I won't be able to convince them.

>>44904060
Pretty interesting stuff so far Anon.
Personally, I've been enchanted with the idea of a post-Gensokyo/post-urban fantasy setting for a bit now. With the outside world eventually becomes so hostile to Fantasy, and the remaining Fantasy inside the barrier-worlds across the moon and Earth becomes so concentrated that the sage-equivalents start to separate from Earth. Rejecting the human consensus as it rejected them.
A lot of urban-fantasy and Touhou touch on the subject of Earth becoming less magic over time, so taking it to its logical conclusion where the worlds are entirely separate seems logical.

>>44904611
Amusingly one of the villains/story arcs I have planned out involves somebody trying to turn Not East Europe Gensokyo into a totally separate world as well. It's very much not a good thing though for many, MANY different reasons.

>>44904519
I imagine so. While the overlap between Tabbletop RPG nerds and Touhou fans is bigger than expected it still seems very hard to find a local playgroup.

>>44904804
One of my idea for an antagonist was a lunarian villain, they tried to preserve their equivalent of the Lunar Capital, but failed due to the shape the new world was taking.
So they ended up fused together with the real and fantastical side of the moon that will eventually be killed by the human consensus.
So in turn it looks to change the shape of the forming world to be a pure and lifeless realm will only it will be able to survive.

>>44904903
I think the Lunarians are probably one of the bigger elements of the Touhou mythos that I don't steal. Not even a vague expy that shares some plot elements but is otherwise largely it's own things.

Either way, pretty cool idea. I hope you decide to start writing as well.

>>44904903
It's nice seeing another doujin fanworker,I enjoy your ideas.

>>44905137
The idea came to me in a dream where I was isekaied to some sort of skylanders touhou crossover, it was very surreal.

I hate how fanfics rarely explore lunarian technology

One last thing before the thread dies, I've heard a theory recently that PMiSS is actually fromthe future, since some of the things described in it, like youkai exclusive shops in the Village, only became real in recent manga. What do you think?

>>44910009
It seems unlikely. For many different reasons.

Though I do like the idea of the Human Village getting a wave of people trying to become Youkai exterminators or magicians.

>>44910009
I'm screenshotting everything.

>>44911937
Everything as in what?

>>44854456
this was pretty neat, thanks.
fucking hell that twist, I genuinely thought OP just liked writing in poor man's Shakespearean

>>44910009
Would be weird since they mention Eientei appearing only recently and all the incidents mentioned are the touhou6-9 ones, but it could be that she didn't wanted to put more stuff in Reimus article and 6-8 are probably the most notable incidents and 9 has the great barrier cycle thing so it is "important".
I mean some things seem to fit that theory quite well, but unless the PMiSS we read was just a part of the whole thing and some things were outdated it doesn't seem like it.
But I really like the idea of mock duels to keep fit in magic combat in case some strong youkai comes from the outside world.
>>44905218
Bunny girl using a one handed vulcan cannon when?

>>44905218
Nobody likes the lunarian other than chinks

>>44905218
I want to do that myself. If you aren't a Humanity Fuck Yeah dick rider you'll see how cool it can actually be if explored in the story. You don't even really need to go to the moon since Kaguya has technology of her own which she showed off in her expo. Although taking the story to the moon would allow for more technology to be seen. You can even come up with your own ideas based on what we already know. I.e the loonies have x technology therefore they must have y. Only problem is if you do it on the moon only you exclude a lot more characters from the story. The loonies just aren't as good as the ones from earth or other realms.

>>44922023
Wouldn't humanity fuck yeah dick riders be the most interested in showing how lunar tech works? If only so human tech can be shown as superior.

I know saying this is probably going to get me banned, but fuck it.

I've long struggled to come up with a good real world analogue to describe what it must be like living in the human village, but I think that I've finally found one: The gaza strip. Both are open air prisons where the people trapped inside can't leave. Both are utterly lacking in materials and necessity, with what little they do get being basically provided by them for their captors. Both are essentially enforced through terror and fear from a ruling class that occupies the rest of the land they live in.

Obviously, there are differences. Despite being invaded/nearly destroyed every other week live in Gensokyo is generally more peaceful nowadays. You don't get random youkai attacks in the same way you do targeted air strikes in Gaza, at least not anymore. They seem to have better access to medicine, at least nowadays. And drinking water and food are way more in abundance, though they also have zero rather than some electricity. Even so, I do think it still holds up. Especially when it comes to actually imagining what it must be like on a day to day basis for a human villager.

>>44924398
So, in addition to Moe Epstein's Island we have Moe Gaza Strip.
Now we just need a third NWO comparison to complete the trifecta.

>>44924470
>Now we just need a third NWO comparison to complete the trifecta.
We'll probably have to wait until we discover where the rich are doing their actual "The Most Dangerous Game" style antics before we can properly do that.

>>44915998
>Bunny girl using a one handed vulcan cannon when?
When she grows big enough to shoot something with enough recoil to accelerate a car down the highway. At twice the speed limit.

>>44905218
to be fair, lunar tech may as well be magiteck which functions parcially with purity or lack of kegare, how the fuck then the outsiders Weapons give them a run for their money?