/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Hardcore Child Pornography playground

(Pixiv)

Too much ntr garbage, even when you ban that tag.
Ever since that payservice drama they have been pushing ntr heavily. Probably some jewish blackmail.
Fuck it

>>44738962
Better than Twitter which is retarded for image/media hosting. Stupid Japs.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/37330820

>>44739052
Anything is better than fucking Twitter

I don't fucking understand how their censor triggers work. Sometimes they flag a pic where I'm genuinely at a loss as for what the fuck needs censoring, sometimes they let through completely uncensored pics that I remember weeks later should probably be replaced... but I can't do that without Premium.

I've given up on trying to be tidy about it.

>>44739098
>>44739052
Um actually it's called "X" now get with the times bros

>>44738892
I hate the amount of chink and gook shit on it but there is no way in hell that I'm paying a fiver every month to be able to mute all of it

>>44739506
I wish they would just block all oriental IPs. Too much jap/chink Asian shit IMHO.

>>44739130
>but I can't do that without Premium.
They give you a free reupload link when they decide you need to fix the censorship, no premium needed though.
The safest bets are the few non-transparent lines over genitals(or whatever you're censoring). They don't like transparent lines or low % mosaics.

ive been seeing an increasing amount of western/korean dogshit just cant stand using that site anymore, not that it ever was good with its near forced premium and slow speed

>ive been seeing an increasing amount of japanese/asian censored dogshit just cant stand using that site anymore, not that it ever was good with its near forced premium and slow speed

who are you quoting

>>44739849
>who are you quoting

>>44738892
I like it, good website. Only seen nice stuff and nice people. I even made a couple of friends :)

>>44739622
I (another guy) just use novelty full censors, like hand-drawn eggplants or computer Remilia, in order to ensure compliance but also mock censorship. I've also essentially stopped posting explicit pornography because of the censorship.

>>44740404
It doesn't matter if it is censored or not, hardcore child pornography is still strictly forbidden.

>>44738892
I hate how no one bothers archiving pixiv drawing streams. The notifications always bugs out too.

I would have thought all of the AI shit would have been the final nail in that he coffin

>>44740280
You seem like a nice guy can I be your friend?

>>44738892
I used to use it a lot, but these days I mostly use Twitter. Pixiv is just too fucking slow.

>>44741593
>Twitter
You mean Elon Muskky X, right? Twitter is gone, my dude.

>>44741593
Elon fucking with Twitter's API finally killed the extensions I was using to batch download twitter pics.
I hate it.

>>44741588
I mean, you can try?

>>44738892
pixiv is 90% AI shit now, and the worst part is that Japanaoid coomers like it even more than the actual drawn stuff, when I saw that one AI "artist" was raching up more fanbox money than some of the old actual artists demoralized me so hard I haven't drawn anything since.

>>44749128
I agree that AI has no place on art websites, but fortunately you can turn off showing AI art in pixiv setting.
I just wish there was a reliable way to force "artists" who obviously use AI without tagging it back to their containment.

AI art is overflowing right now, it's bound to lose its value eventually.
I'm just waiting until even the dumbest normies start noticing its limitations. It's never going to allow more detailed and unique art to be made.

Anyway, people like to shit on pixiv for various reasons, but is there really any alternative?
Xitter was always shit as an art platform. People went and stayed there because they could cover a wider audience. And now it's getting even worse.
Western art websites like DA have their own share of problems and they often don't allow adult content.
At least on pixiv you can legally draw porn, even shit like bestiality, which is banned almost everywhere else.

>>44749388
>I just wish there was a reliable way to force "artists" who obviously use AI without tagging it back to their containment.
Why? More and more artists have adopted SD as yet another supplementary tool. Lolimate uses SD. Carbon Millitube uses SD. Noizu uses SD. It's a tool like any other.

Or did you want to single out artists who use MMD, 3DCG pose models, photos or wooden dolls to supplement their toolset too?

>>44741574
AI literally lifted the average quality of new artworks tab lol

>>44749388
>It's never going to allow more detailed
anon... the average AI artwork is already more detailed on average than most of human drawn things, especially in terms of rendering
the details it does suck at though is anything text related, and very distant background

>>44749518
I wasn't talking about artists that use AI as a supplementary tool somewhere in the process.
I meant people that upload art that is 90-100% AI. They just don't tag it and don't hit the "AI artwork" checkbox when uploading. So they don't get filtered by anyone who has "Don't show AI art option".

>>44749388
I generate AI images to help me choose poses or a clothing design, but I'm not going to tag my art as AI because I drew it 100% on my own only using it as a visual reference. It's no different than googling "different poses" or "doll dresses" or whatever and using them as refs. What sort of artists do you mean? Like people who straight up trace shit? Because I see a TON of tracing on pixiv, from mildly "famous" artists who get 50k+ views a pic to total nobodies. Seems like normies without a functioning brain either legitimately can't tell if something is traced, or don't care because they're cooming.
>>44739130
I've been flagged numerous times, to the point where I pay for premium despite barely having 1.5k subs. I'm jewish af with my money and don't even pay for stuff like Netflix or Hulu, but I shell out the 5$ for pixiv premium because it just makes it easier to deal with their censorship bullshit. I would say most of the time I deserved the flag, but at least 25% of the time it's just completely wrong. They've even apologized to me before-- I refused to censor this one work even more because I was SURE it was within guidelines, and I replied and told them that, and they agreed! So if you think you're within the censorship guidelines, then tell them that. Otherwise you just have to suck it up and turn up that pixelization percentage or draw ugly ass lines on everything.

>>44750248
I don't tag artworks I upload as AI because it makes particular subset of people actually seethe and it amuses me when they leave angry comments

>>44749388
Pixiv doesn't like uncensored genitals though

>>44750281
>Because I see a TON of tracing on pixiv, from mildly "famous" artists who get 50k+ views a pic to total nobodies. Seems like normies without a functioning brain either legitimately can't tell if something is traced, or don't care because they're cooming.
I'm going to add an anecdote to this. A little while ago, I spotted an eerily familiar piece in my feed, from a very popular and celebrated artist (seen tweets from Comiket bragging about buying his merch). It took me a second, but then I realised the guy had straight-up taken one of my submissions, slapped on some basic colour, added a few sfx and then posted it as his own.

The kicker? I'm an unabashed AIslopper, and that piece wasn't particularly well done, either, being one of my very first efforts. He didn't even fix any of the blatant mistakes.

That pic's now sitting at 17k views on his account. 3,5k on mine, which is 3,6k more than it warrants, really.

I'm not upset or anything; I just think it's bloody hilarious when you remember all the REEEing about AI and perceived plagiarism. The irony nourishes me.

>>44750212
>in terms of rendering
While it exceeds at rendering, coloring and technical details(aside from hands), I'm yet to see it make complex art of something like several characters interacting beyond simple scenarios that were already done by many artists before.
The most creative use of AI art I saw was creating weird fetish monstrosities.
Everything else is mostly "my favorite characterwith a dick in this simple pose" or "my favorite non-anime character as an anime character".
>>44750281
>I generate AI images to help me choose poses or a clothing design, but I'm not going to tag my art as AI
See >>44750248
I'm not against this kind of AI usage. I'm talking specifically about AI being used to create and upload an artwork without lifting a finger.
>a TON of tracing on pixiv
This was always a huge problem and I agree with you. But like I said, this is not related to what I was talking about.

>>44749388
>AI art is overflowing right now, it's bound to lose its value eventually.
>I'm just waiting until even the dumbest normies start noticing its limitations. It's never going to allow more detailed and unique art to be made.

I disagree, if anything AI is getting better and better at gigantic pace. Compare the man made horrors people used to generate when NAI leaked for the first time in late 2022 vs the stuff they can do one year later. You can't put the genie back in the bottle, what's going to happen is that most people will become either full AI prompters or "real artists " that still use the AI as a tool in secret, like this nigga >>44750281

New non-AI artists are fucked, the only people that will get commissions and work are either really creative AI prooompters or known artists with an existing fanbase.

>>44738962
I thought this was just me, yeah it's all over the place now, even from people who had never done it before. It's impossible to have a rational discussion about it too, since people either encourage it or willfully ignore it
Literally what the hell is going on? Being a waifufag isn't even fun anymore when all you see is just nigger porn everywhere. May as well just get an actual gf at this point

>>44749128
>hen I saw that one AI "artist" was raching up more fanbox money than some of the old actual artists demoralized me so hard I haven't drawn anything since.
Didn't he fake that?

>>44741593
How is this guy able to output a new image every day for years

>>44750281
Start tagging your slop correctly or kys.

>>44753043
No, he did confirm it later on

me? it's takorin, buckethead, ky., tksand, sseopik and 分水嶺

Is the xitter clone the go-to place for artists now?

>>44759803
I'm not black.

>>44759803
yea i support those individuals

Where do Japs upload 3d animations? I sometimes see videos and they aren't NND MMD nor iwara stuff. Do they just link to filehosts from twitter or post on fanbox or whatever paysite?

>>44749128
I wonder if many 4chan users actually had above 300 subs in pixiv with their AI painting coombaits. maybe I'm just special kind of idiot since I don't even do r18 AI generations. it's far harder to gain popularity if you are not doing hentai and (non-digital) hand drawing is just out of the question unless you are top 3% of talent pool.

how to turn this into 50k

how to turn this into 6 million

>>44749128
You're shit at drawing and you're too incompetent to even have the ability to generate anything worthwhile with AI. Your "art" probably looks like picrel so you take your feeling of inferiority out on others who are more talented than you (In this case they have imagination and prompting skills).
Any artist who is worth his weight is experimenting with image generation or at least appreciating the concept.
DIE

>>44772032
>I wonder if many 4chan users actually had above 300 subs in pixiv with their AI painting coombaits.
Started around April this year. Though I do do both R-18 and merely suggestive stuff, and aside from the rare outliers, which I strongly suspect got algorithmed, engagement is similar across the board.

>>44772810
show art and frequency of posts

>>44772734
Westerners can finally make anime now thanks to AI

This thread is now about posting your pixiv profile. Let's see your those disgusting bookmarks.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/22490273

>>44772396
I'm going slow and steady

naufal, where are you?

>>44750281
based, dare i say...

>>44773055
"Art" (and I insist on the quote marks) looks like this.

The frequency of posts is... erratic. Used to be I'd post either daily or a pic for every day of the week in a dump, but obviously as I picked up knacks (and standards...), that slowed down considerably. I'm also not whatsoever a visual sort of person, so inspiration strikes rarely.
>>44772734
>>44749128
What you may be overlooking is that, with even extremely basic drawing abilities, you can bend the AI further than any "pure" prompter can, notwithstanding CN and such. Img2img turns into magic when you introduce it to manually edited pictures, which is something I resort to with decent results, even with my severely retarded artistic skills and sensibilities. Missing limbs? No problem, just crudely draw them on, img2img, et voila. Can't get the accessories right? Scribble them on or off as needed. Your character's turned into Tien? Smear some background colour over those extra arms. The shrine maiden's reliquary not hairy enough? A couple of scratches in editing software of your choice will improve the situation.

It's still very useful to be able to do these things, even with AI. I envy anyone who is actually competent at them. It helps tremendously. It doesn't help me, because I can't hand-draw a circle with fewer than three corners.

>>44772810
>been drawing for 5+ years on Pixiv
>takes me over a week to complete one set of drawings because I only have two hours of free time a day
>only half the amount of followers as an AIslopper who just started

>>44750598
Eh, fuck off. What I said is true, it's no different than using pose references from stock images or googling fashion designs (which every artist does btw, they just don't talk about it). The only reason I prefer AI is because I find it awkward to draw hentai from real people, I despise 3DPD and it's always made me feel weird to use them as pose references. So AI relieved me of a lot of negative feelings I had built up over that.

>>44779574
It's bullshit. About well a third of those was a sudden tidal wave of follows that must have come from one of my pieces catching the algorithm. A LOT of those are obvious bots with tens of thousands of bookmarks. I don't believe any of it was organic.

Actual engagement hovers around a third that number of views a month, and that's only the more eye-catching pieces.

>>44779627
That's crazy, it's the opposite for me. I actually get really decent views, but for some reason I have a low follower count. I know my art isn't very good... But I do my best, and people seem to like the degenerate shit I draw, they just don't follow. You're probably right about the bots, sometimes I check out my new followers and I'll occasionally see people with 100k+ bookmarks. Either they're the most degenerate no-lifers in existence, or they're bots.

>>44779627
Are accounts with lots of bookmarks like that usually bots? Because then my actual follower count is like, two.
Ah, well.

>>44779478
update your thp story
retards

>>44779881
Hence bullshit. If you get views alongside bookmarks, that's probable to be legit. Subs + bookmarks without views (since you can bookmark images without viewing them) - that's most likely bots. And bots seem to looove AIslop. Go figure.
>>44780028
Just waiting on K-man to give me a read, and it'll go up.

are there any artist that have successfully managed to integrate AI into their workflow? the only one I know of is pic related, everyone else doesn't even bother to fix the fingers

>>44780383
Carbon Millitube and Lolimate off the top of my head openly talk about how they use AI on their blogs/fanboxes. Noizu I am 90% sure uses AI to trace poses too, but I can't recall where or if he wrote about that, so could be I'm conflating.

I've also spotted "legitimate" artists tracing my own AIslop, so perhaps that counts too. :^)

The problem with AI is in calling people who only draw portraits of single anime girls ``artists'', the solution is to stop.

>>44767448
I'd love to know as well, because as far as I can tell it's Twitter and Fantia/Fanbox these days, and both of those are a pain. Twitter's compression is abysmal, and the *club sites are slow as molasses.

>>44738962
Asian men have small dicks, they love seeing women get fucked by bigger dicks and see them have orgasms they could never give them, that's why

Proud of my pixiv addiction

>>44787249
That artist is great. Thank you for posting, anon

Have you ordered anything off Booth? I'd like to get some art to hang on my walls or a dakimakura

the novels section is pretty good, imo if you're just looking for a quick 抜き short story it's better than nocturnal

>>44794993
I ordered a doujin or five off of Booth back in that brief window when they accepted foreign credit cards. Then they stopped and never accepted them again.

>>44798205
I hadn't heard about that. How do gaijin order from Booth now?

bumo

Tired of bookmarked images getting deleted without any sort of info telling me what it was that got deleted.

>>44806346
just download every image you bookmark, storage space is cheap these days

>>44800253
They don't. Or they do it through Japanese acquaintances. Shipping still works, AFAIK, just not overseas payment options.

>>44812979
Where is everyone getting brand new dakis from then?

>>44814879
Bump intended

>>44779881
to get follows you must do one topic consistenly or 2 or 3, because that's a reason to actually follow someone, to see more of what i like or want

>>44806346
use pixivutil2 and scrape your bookmarks
it'll take a while if you have a lot (maybe literally days), but you can just kill it and resume it if you need to turn the computer off
maybe use a VPN so they don't throttle your connection, I don't know anyone who has been banned for this, but I've had to reboot my router because my IP has been throttled

>>44812882
yeah
my SFW Pixiv bookmarks folder is like 154GB, and a 240GB SSD is like $20, a 2TB external HDD is like $60

>>44815009
Are you meant to use a hard disk for storage and a solid state drive for active usage, which is meant to be replaced, while a good hdd could last a long time?

>>44812882
I have a bad habit of bookmarking a bunch of pictures with the intent of downloading them later, but forget to get around to it until it's too late.

>>44815009
Sounds like a useful tool. Thank you for the info.

>>44779627
I thought the bookmark was just a heart to show that you really loved the work

>>44749128
This is a falseflagging lying bitch demoralizing artists

>>44814981
And here I was feeling bad for doing too much of one 2hu/fetish...

>>44752791
>yeah it's all over the place now
A huge part of it comes down to the fact that commissions have become a far bigger thing now than they were 10 years ago for japanese artists. One guy sees some guy pushing out skeb after skeb of some fetish, other artists want to get on that, so on and so forth until finally your favorite trap artists are now drawing nothing but castration commissions.

It's basically the same anal -> scat artist pipeline but with a paid incentive which makes it happen 100x more often and with 10 times the speed.
>>44812882
That's a solution for after it happens, Pixiv (and countless other websites, looking at you Youtube) should still tell you what a piece of content you've liked is at least called or link its URL so you can find out what it is, rather than just a blank page with no information. I'm pretty sure NND just deletes the video but keeps the title while saying "yeah the video was deleted/copyright claimed" which is a million times more preferable to anything else.

>>44815560
That's how I use it.

>>44818496
>and countless other websites, looking at you Youtube
The joke is they USED TO, with playlists at least. now it just says "this playlist has X hidden videos". No clue why they changed it.

>>44818584
You could still unhide the videos with some.... I'm going to be honest, I don't even remember if it was an extension or an embed or a website or some view source wizardry -- I just remembered there WAS a solution when I looked for it back in 2015 for some old YTP URL's. Which is now probably gone? Fucking sucks.

>>44818496
You should use your browser's actual bookmark function and give things whatever title you want while being able to view their links.

>>44818676
I do, but you and I both know that after a certain point things become impossible to parse. For example, look through your bookmarks of various artists and tell me whatever series or other noticeable features you have them tagged with, and in a week when you're done sorting the thousands of bookmarks I hope you have? Tell me how many of those tags are still applicable in the years since you've made them.

>>44818974
You only follow flavor of the month drawing artists? I bookmark an artist because I like their style and any individual artwork has its name on it. I can tell what style belongs to them in the same way you can look at an erodoujin and know who drew it if you know the artist beforehand.

>>44819028
I've followed countless artists that, as previously mentioned, changed what and sometimes even how they draw. The point wasn't "haha I know Shimakaze's artist by name" which I don't because I thought it was Ichiso until I just checked now but the point was if you follow your own words then you're admitting to lying through your teeth sheerly because nobody is going to draw the same things the same ways forever, and most people on this board are autists like me who've got enough bookmarks to fill a couple stadiums all semi-meticulously tagged. There is simply no way to be able to compartmentalize that much knowledge in easily accessible manners when the only way you can view them is through a list (or a series of lists if you use folders) of bookmarks. Even if I were to break down my porn artist bookmarks by my general fetish folders for things like lactation or big titties or futa or traps or anal or choking, there's still the fact that you can only bookmark something once, and unlike literal books in a library those books continue to exist when the ends are shuttered. With a singular reference point as opposed to a variety of pointers shit's going to get lost within the actual digital text-storage they're in, to say nothing of the folly of human memory meaning neither you nor I nor anyone here can possibly list off any given folder beyond maybe the first couple dozen bookmarks in it, and even if you could? You'd still be wrong more often than not. Now that warning label you'd have about say, Chinzurena, who used to draw scat in every third doujin, has now been outdated for 5 years. Because he's no longer drawing scat in every third doujin and instead it's just every other doujin now!
Fucking shoot me already...

The point is that there's way too much content for any otaku to realistically consume and completely understand the metaphorical elements in its production and you can't say with complete confidence you understand everything you've saved to the level you say you do. Shit just simply gets lost. Of course the ideal solution is to save literally everything and use a file manager to properly tag everything so the only things that get "lost" are things you fucked up sorting in the first place. But that's a different argument entirely and, truth be told, a completely correct point that basically undermines my entire post with a "you should've done that instead, retard". But I didn't and here I am, repeating myself talking about the importance of tagging and the failures of the human mind using analogies about boys in skirts pooping with (you).

>>44777058
I should upload on pixiv again yeah. Last time I did was zanmu and biten. Even then, i skipped a bunch of artworks. Haven't uploaded most of my recent stuff there mostly because the whole ai and cp stuff drama sometimes ago left a sour taste. But it seems like pixiv is at a somewhat better state considering it's the only art site with somewhat function ai filter.

When the fuck will they add a search tag function for bookmarks on the app
I have like a thousand different tags and I have to scroll through all the alphabets just to get to the hiraganas, then to the katakanas, and forget about kanji
In fact why the fuck can't I sort my bookmark tags by numbers

Anyone read pixiv R-18 novels? I fap to a lot of them. I especially like these two chinese authors who have diligently written large web-novels full of both degenerate shit and cool plot and worldbuilding.
I have a few fantasies I have thought about a lot, I might try and write some novels myself at some point. Don't know what I'll do about the language though, probably give it a japanese title since it's a japanese website but an english tag, and encourage people to use deepl to translate the text in the description.

>>44749128
AI art can be good
/jp/ kinda likes it as well

>>44767448
Twitter

>>44821334
Chinese translates like hot ass, how do you even read the novels to begin with?

>>44821476
It doesn't though, I can read it just fine.

>>44821334
>give it a japanese title
don't do this no one wants to read english on pixiv
you should really be posting that on one of the many english erotica sites instead

rate my progress
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>>44822398
I guess you're right. I don't know much about english sites though.

>>44739506
>chink and gook shit
it's pixiv... what u think is on there, baka???

>>44824865
jap shit > gook shit >>> chink shit

>>44825560
Blatantly wrong, chink shit is great.

>>44825560
>gook shit >>> chink shit
explain

>>44823826
Let me guess. You joined last month and are churning out AI porn exclusively.

>>44825560
what about gooks and chinks using ai to make jap shit

Didn't expect the thread to be half about AI shitting up websites, and the other half being a dick measuring contest regarding how many followers / engagements anons' posts are getting.
Makes sense though.

>>44826036
4 years of real drawing. AI niggers go to /ic/ and they only hope to get these numbers

>>44826979
>AI niggers go to /ic/ and they only hope to get these numbers
OK then.

>>44827713
link?

>>44828496
I'm not here to self-promote, just to snub someone who's being a bit uppity.

>>44828504
If it makes you feel any better, you both look totally pathetic. More-so you for implying AIshit has any worth, but in your defense anon was both saying that numbers = value and also acting like there's not a wave of retards who'll jerk off to something someone else has genned instead of learning the process in 20 minutes themselves. I'm also assuming the best in you that you're not one of those cunts who doesn't tag his schlock for what it is and please don't tell me otherwise.

>>44829122
That's a lot of assumptions. I'll just say I wasn't the one who made unsubstantiated claims.

>>44749128
>>44749388
>>44738892
Pixiv sucks now. Why not move to Nijie?

I've probably been using the site for 10+ years for browsing yet after a year of actually posting stuff apparently posting a link to uncensored versions of your posts is a big nono?

One very good way to prove if an artwork is AIshit is to ask the artist for a workflow video. legit artists will show you his work in CSP/photoshop. AI artists will decline. that's what really seperates them apart.

>>44839094
that doesnt prove anything, ask them to draw a hand

This is an incredibly entitled question, but as a westoid artist, is posting on pixiv the key to getting your art archived on booru sites and the like? I only use twitter at the moment and am doing equivalent numbers to other middling quality westabro anime art but most of their stuff gets archived whereas mine never does, and I've noticed most of them post their stuff on pixiv as well.

Sorry to /r/equest, but: does anyone have some of the deleted art of Haru being abused made by the artist who drew this? They delete some of their works on occasion and I missed some of them. Thanks.

>>44845366
Pixiv is less obnoxious than Twitter, so please use it over Twitter (which you should stop using), though I would say to be respectful and to write everything in Japanese.
Also, why do you want recognition so bad? Do you enjoy the idea of people, even r/anime types, looking at your stuff?

>>44845566
Why do artists post anything on the internet and not just keep it to themselves? I'm just using booru recognition as another metric to determine how successful my stuff is, more or less. I've been making a little extra pocket change from it as well, so I guess it's best to think of it from a business perspective.

Speaking of Twatter, I started cross-posting my Pixiv uploads on there with the sole and express purpose of getting this guy to retweet one of my Yams.

Well, just a couple of days later, here we are. Now I'm kind of at a loss on how to proceed.

>>44845366
>is posting on pixiv the key to getting your art archived on booru sites and the like?
Only if it's good enough, and that's completely subjective because Danbooru mods are retarded. Make porn and start spamming uploads yourself to something like pahael or rule34 and eventually someone'll pick you up for a time. Generally speaking if you care about having your art archived for selfless or selfish reasons, of which there's no problem with either because anyone who tells you wanting any kind of validation is "wrong" is fake and gay, you should just do it yourself and post everything everywhere.
Just don't be an AIdumbfuck like the guy above me. There's no feelings in that.

>>44845968
The mainstream boorus don't allow AIslop anyway unless you're an established artist, because it's A-OK then, apparently.

>>44845968
There's no need to be upset.

>>44831850
I got the impression it was only for artists who draw ero CG sets and similar works

>>44846503
It's also for people who want to experience the bliss that is god awful UI design and more ads than actual content.

>>44839094
implying everyone cares enough to record themselves

>>44844680
AI has gotten much much better at drawing hands.
I wish there was a high quality public model for detecting ai slop.

>>44850789
Bruh.... the only model you need to detect AI is your eyes: if the coloring it's too perfect, it's AI.

>>44848135
I don't know if every tool has an automatic recording, but CSP is the general go-to I've seen artists use and that has it. Even ignoring that nothing's stopping you from just recording your next piece or even just posting the layers.

>>44845766
The reality is that Japs don't care if it's AI as long as it gets their cocks hard, all the AI drama is 90% westernoids, 10% Japs, and in the latter it's only when it's blatantly copying existing artists.

>>44826979
>file deleted
LMAO WHAT A KEK!!!! XDDDD

>>44829122
>but in your defense anon was both saying that numbers = value and also acting like there's not a wave of retards who'll jerk off to something someone else has genned instead of learning the process in 20 minutes themselves.

NTA but does it even matter? Your logic is dumb, even more when you realize you could also apply it to the "waves of retards that jerk off" to something a real artist took days to draw instead of learning to draw themselves.

>>44850890
Got a source for that claim? The source for my counterpoint is May 2023.

>>44850890
>only when it's blatantly copying existing artists.
There isn't a law against this, is there? Makes me wonder if there might be a law passed to stop AI training on artwork.

>>44850890
Nah, there is a not insubstantial amount of artists and users on Pixiv who still take issue with AI. Some of them are more misinformed than others, but it's an understandable sentiment and perfectly within their rights to hold. Hell, I still see those crossed-out-AI-sign thumbnails around, and a few of my follows have genuinely moved off of and wiped their Pixiv galleries. So let's not give the gaijin exclusivity on silliness.

... That said, I do regret not putting an AI tag on that post, because it does feel a little bit like deception. The Pixiv's upload is tagged properly, of course, but posting on Twatter's new to me.

>>44850908
The logic's sound, just misattributed. It was the "artist" who acted as though views were any sort of reliable measure.

Whoop dee doo, turns out that views mean jack shit and AIslop can, in fact, hope to get those numbers. Cause, yeah, viewers generally don't care about the exact methodology behind the piece as long as it looks half-decent.

Now, saying it takes 20 minutes to learn to gen half-decent pics, though - that there is flat dumb.

>>44850994
>who acted as though views were any sort of reliable measure.

Except they are, views and engagement are all that matters and I'm tired of the coping sour grapes that say otherwise, I've dealt with your type for decades and it's always low view jabronis who say that garbage every single time. If views are not important, why upload your work to public platforms then? Just draw and keep them private.

One of my highest bookmarked pics is a drawing of Cirno's feet heh.

>>44851009
You misunderstand. We're talking about viewing trends and the purported pickiness of the audience, particularly on Pixiv. Not the ethics or satisfaction of putting your work up for viewing in general.

To reiterate: views on Pixiv are no measure for drawing the line between AIslop and real artwork because for aforesaid reasons both are going to get a fair amount of views dependent on quality, the algorithm and other factors. The methodology doesn't play into it. There is no observable, hard distinction based on one being hand-drawn and the other being AI. So to say "AIslop will NEVER get as many views as real art" is at best ignorant in this context. QED.

>>44851009
>it's always low view jabronis
Not to piss on your parade, but I'm actually the way-more-views-than-it-warrants jabroni from >>44827713. So yeah.

Also what it says above.

>>44827713
>>44845766
Have you gotten any people asking for commissions yet?

>>44851109
Altogether too many for what I represent, but getting paid for AI art doesn't sit right with me.

On the other hand, I've had "real" artists trace my slop, slap on some vfx and happily put it up on their fantiaboxes, so perhaps we should count that as being paid in a roundabout, Robin-Hoodey way.

>>44851183
>doesn't sit right with me
Lmao, really? You're using a model and a program that was undoubtedly trained on other artists' artwork without their consent and now you're saying you do not want to do commisions for moral reasons?

>>44851253
That is indeed why. Though it was implicit.

>>44851253
this reminds me, popular artist Naoki Saito had a popular training video where the gist is basically
>copy your favorite artist's style
>trace his drawing if you must
>do this for 3 months straight and you'll notice you've developed your own style
https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE
is it morally correct to sell commissions if you trained yourself over other's works, even if it deviated to be distinct enough as your own?

>>44853869
>is it morally correct to sell
no

>>44854062
The last sane man in the thread.

Pixiv is slow because a million Indians are training their AI generation models on the site's content.

>Most artists I follow over the years have slowly abandoned their accounts to inactivity, only update very infrequently
>most of their art get's posted on Twitter, you have to constantly check outside of Pixiv to get their full catalog
>Pixiv's censorship rules are egregioud and constantly force artists to over censor or delete their artwork
>constant controveries with the site UI have created many exoduses
>AI fags have shitted up every tag

Shit sucks.

>>44859789

>>44860392
some will just not tag it out of spite like >>44750374

>>44859789
its pixover